What is the best martial art to take strictly too

[Djimbe]

I'd say to go with Muay Thai if you choose only one. Reason being that you get to learn punching and using elbows when the opponent comes near you at close distance. They also learn some grappling tequnikes. Shure you could use kicks, but in a dirty streetfight they throw off your balance. And if the fight goes to the ground, you stil have some grappling from Muay Thai. Or you could take a page out of chuck lidelle's book and just stand up.

But why that over Systema or Baji or Bagua or Taiji or Xingyi ? All of wich have BETTER Grappling techniques and Drills than Muay Thai , As well as the Use of Shoulder and Hip Strikes AS WELL as Knees Elbows and Fists .

What about Mantis or Wing Chun ? A pair of systems DESIGNED to fight in close with all of the above Attributes AND Weapons Training integral to them .


Or Why not join a San Shou/San Da Gym ? FAR Superior Grappling Techniques , beter Ring Generalship , and More Techniques open to the Fighter ... I mean , I haven seen the Muay Thai Single Leg or MT Suplex YET !

 

[Kane Fan]

Ive done Krav,Thai and kickboxing for 5 years, vale tudo for 2 years.. this combo is fantastic for me, all goes together well! im very confident at kickin arse, might be a different matter when i start fightin matches next year though!

awsome
a kickboxing chick
does krav give you any grappling?
cus if you compete mma it sounds like your standup will be solid
(I can't say for sure but it SOUNDS that way)

 

[casualbb]

djimbe... you say it's all about the teacher but then go on to list styles that are somehow better than muy thai. That's a little hypocritical.

I take a different approach

You want to learn how to fight for real. Well pick a style that emphasizes frequent sparring and doesn't do stuff like forms or endless practicing of technique. No uniforms, no belts, no bullshit.

Teacher is important, but in the end the teacher is just a vehicle for the style's movements and principles. A great teacher can sometimes just help you learn a crappy style faster.

 

[roth]

But why that over Systema or Baji or Bagua or Taiji or Xingyi ? All of wich have BETTER Grappling techniques and Drills than Muay Thai , As well as the Use of Shoulder and Hip Strikes AS WELL as Knees Elbows and Fists .

What about Mantis or Wing Chun ? A pair of systems DESIGNED to fight in close with all of the above Attributes AND Weapons Training integral to them .


Or Why not join a San Shou/San Da Gym ? FAR Superior Grappling Techniques , beter Ring Generalship , and More Techniques open to the Fighter ... I mean , I haven seen the Muay Thai Single Leg or MT Suplex YET !

I'll rant a bit about why I don't see the value of learning advanced grappling and weapons tequnikes:

Reasons I'd choose Muay Thai is because I think it's better to knock him out and hurt his pride. I don't necesserily whant to breake the guys arm or foot, or spend time with advanced grappling tequnikes. He'd never pull that of if he's drunk. Ofcourse he might not allways be drunk whe hes in a streetfight, but one day he may, and how often do you see a drunk guy submit someone with an advanced tequnike? Knockout is the shure safe way to end a streetfight. Keep it simple. Some punches to the head usually does the job. And if the guy pulls out a knife or a gun, I'm not gonna be an idiot risk my life fighting him just to keep my pride.

 

[Judo Tom]

djimbe... you say it's all about the teacher but then go on to list styles that are somehow better than muy thai. That's a little hypocritical.

I take a different approach

You want to learn how to fight for real. Well pick a style that emphasizes frequent sparring and doesn't do stuff like forms or endless practicing of technique. No uniforms, no belts, no bullshit.

Teacher is important, but in the end the teacher is just a vehicle for the style's movements and principles. A great teacher can sometimes just help you learn a crappy style faster.

i def. agree that sparring is a huge part of preparing yourself for self defense.

 

[Djimbe]

djimbe... you say it's all about the teacher but then go on to list styles that are somehow better than muy thai. That's a little hypocritical.

Theres nothing Hypocritical about it in any way . And I never said that they were "Better" I said that theyTrained the Fighter for more Situations/Ranges .

He listed attributes of a STYLE as reasoning , and I listed a NUMBER of STYLES with BETTER Reasoning/Attributes .You see , he listed the Attributes of a Particular system as what made it "Best" , and I countered by listing a NUMBER of styles with BETTER attributes and then asking if the atributes of ALL THESE SYSTEMS are even BETTER , then how can MT be the "Best Style" ???

Honestly ...

If you asked me the question IMPIRICALY I would say that ANY good (non-McDojo) MA school where Sparring Full Contact was part of the Curriculae would , within 1-3 years increase the fighting abilities of MOSTY people by about 90% .

And thats what I AM saying . Stop putting this Idea out there that if someone is NOT Training in Muay Thai that they are not going to know how to Fight in a couple of years . Its silly , and it gets ppl hurt . Firstly becaue there are moe and more FAKE MT schools out there these days . And secondly because there aere a lot of GREAT Teachers out there being IGNORED because they ARENT MT .

How Retarded is that ? Yeah , Master So-&-So might be able to Karate Chop a Battleship IN HALF , BUT HES NOT MUAY THAI so thats not REALLY fighting !!! Its Style Whoring , and its Stupid . Hell , everyone knows that San Da > Muay Thai anyway !

I take a different approach

You want to learn how to fight for real. Well pick a style that emphasizes frequent sparring and doesn't do stuff like forms or endless practicing of technique.

ALL styles do Forms in one way or another . Shadowboxing is FORMS . In FACT Jack Dempsy himself used to state that the single most Important Drill in Boxing was Shadowboxing . Why ? Because thats where you find the Rythym in your own body , and your own body's rythym in its Flow between Techniques . You will NEVER properly asess your OPPONENT'S rythyms until You master your own .

Forms Training is NOT for the reason that MOST "So-Called" MAists think it is . You are not Throwing Imaginary Kicks and Punches at Imaginary Opponents or Targets . Ill Speak frommy own Area of Expertise , ans In Fact , Ill Quote someone Smarter - or at the very least more eloquent - than I on the subject .

Internal Styles are set up to train you systematically , if you get a good teacher . There should be a hierarchy of training . You begin with how to stand correctly . You do Basic Movements over and over to build up power . You learn the footwork that makes the Forms , and from those forms you go to the Combines Sets , or watever forms you have to learn Techniques from .

Theres a certain Reason you are doing a Form , everybody knows that . Unfortunately many Martial Artists dont know what that reason is . Theyre going along learning how to hit a guy , Kick a guy , but thats never the reason to practice forms . Ba Gua is a little "Higher-Level" conceptually than a lot of other Martial Arts. and that can work for you or against you . It depends on what you want to Practice .

A Palm Change , for Example , is NOT a bunch of movements that you break down into techniques . Rather , its a Flow of Momentum and Rythym . Most of the sophisticqated Martial Arts sets are generic whole-body movements that teach you to move in a Certain Rythym . Then you have Whole-Body power throughout that wave of force . If I learn the Single Palm Change correctly , I will have the right rythym and Power in a Horizontal flow of Momentum and I can use it in an almost Infinite number of ways . I can come up with all kinds of trechniques based on the principle .

Heres where the problem comes in . Although forms are NOT techniques you have got to teach techniques from the forms . {Because you have to teach a Fighting technique in association with SOMETHING , and its Correct Principle Motion or Power type is the best thing to do this with - Djimbe} I have to teach you Technique , so I say "Look this strike is from this part of the form , its the same rythym ." But if you get caught up in "Single Palm Change is a Backhand to the Face , a Head Pull , and a Sweep ," youll never get to be any good at it .

No uniforms, no belts, no bullshit.

Uniforms and Belts are about Motivation , but they are Preesent in Wrestling , BJJ , Sambo , Judo ... plenty of styles that its popular to say that "Work" curently . So debating their Merits seems really Irrelevant . In FACT , Muay Thai has "Belts" of a kind of you count the Armband thingies , neh ? Muay Thai also has the Ram Muay , not lettin the Ring or anythign pass over the Fighter's head except his Headress , and lots of OTHER "Bullshit" (YOUR choice of words , not mine) And yet it is an Effective system .

Teacher is important, but in the end the teacher is just a vehicle for the style's movements and principles. A great teacher can sometimes just help you learn a crappy style faster.

Teachers dont REALLY teach "Styles" . They train their Studebnts through Techniques and Mothodologies . If they themselves do not understand the Methodologies in question , then they have no Business teaching .

 

[Djimbe]

i def. agree that sparring is a huge part of preparing yourself for self defense.

Yeah , but when did I say that it WASNT ?

 

[Djimbe]

I'll rant a bit about why I don't see the value of learning advanced grappling and weapons tequnikes:

Reasons I'd choose Muay Thai is because I think it's better to knock him out and hurt his pride. I don't necesserily whant to breake the guys arm or foot, or spend time with advanced grappling tequnikes. He'd never pull that of if he's drunk. Ofcourse he might not allways be drunk whe hes in a streetfight, but one day he may, and how often do you see a drunk guy submit someone with an advanced tequnike? Knockout is the shure safe way to end a streetfight. Keep it simple. Some punches to the head usually does the job. And if the guy pulls out a knife or a gun, I'm not gonna be an idiot risk my life fighting him just to keep my pride.

None of the Martial Arts that i listed save mayey Sambo have any Extensive Groundfighting Techniques , and they usually work on 1-3 weapons , and working WITH weapons also teaches you how to ESCAPE them when theyre being used ON you . You Path is NOT always clear . Learning the PRINCIPLES behind Weapons will help you to use Impromptu weapons in case youre Outnumbered or the like .

However , lets take San Da , for Instance . Throws ARE LEGAL , and the fact is that BE(NG thrown WILL Incapacitatew you if it happens properly and on a Hard Surface , TRUST ME . Muay Thai , where High-Amp throws arent ALLOWED also fails to teach you to DEFEND aginst them Naturally or properly . Learning such Throwing Tactics can be a HUGE Equalioser in a Streetfight , ESPECIALLY in a 2-1 encounter .

No one was talking about taking 20 min to look for an Omoplata or some junk . Ask ANY Judoka , a GRAND throw is only a SPLIT second away .

 

[CrazyK]

I'll rant a bit about why I don't see the value of learning advanced grappling and weapons tequnikes:

Reasons I'd choose Muay Thai is because I think it's better to knock him out and hurt his pride. I don't necesserily whant to breake the guys arm or foot, or spend time with advanced grappling tequnikes. He'd never pull that of if he's drunk. Ofcourse he might not allways be drunk whe hes in a streetfight, but one day he may, and how often do you see a drunk guy submit someone with an advanced tequnike? Knockout is the shure safe way to end a streetfight. Keep it simple. Some punches to the head usually does the job. And if the guy pulls out a knife or a gun, I'm not gonna be an idiot risk my life fighting him just to keep my pride.

I think it would hurt his pride more if you made him submit to you. Anyone can make up an excuse for getting knocked out, but when your laying there, completely helpless to your opponent and your only option is to submit, that is the ultimate in ownage.

 

[Judo Tom]

Yeah , but when did I say that it WASNT ?

i dont think you did and i wasnt trying to say that..

i just feel that the better the sparring the more effective you will be on the street..

thats why i feel that:
boxing,wrestling,muay thai, bjj, sambo, judo

are good styles for the street cause you can go 100% against someone else who is going 100% with no prearranged notions.. so you can do whatever it takes to be effective..

now obviously what you practice is almost important as how you practice it as well..