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What is sodium?

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Ok I hear all this badgering of sodium now a days. What's so bad about it? What does it actually do for you? I use alot of seasonings in my food (only way I can eat it) and all of them have high amounts of sodium. Am I hurting myself in anyway?
 
u stated what is sodium . well its salt its what makes your body swell . and yes you can get high blood pressure from it .... it may make your food taste great but its not great on the heart !!!!!!! ;)
 
It also causes water retention - personally i am not shy on the sodium because I think water retention is good to a certain extent - as it keeps my strength in check - especially when dieting.
 
Healthy American adults should reduce their sodium intake to no more than 2400 milligrams per day.

Uhm?! I get about 5x that a day! Just one of my diet cokes has like 500mg - not to mention my cajun seasonings which probably have 2000mg or more. I do suffer from LPB so is it necessarily a bad thing that I'm getting this much sodium?
 
your diet coke has 500mgs sodium? the last diet coke I saw had 40mgs sodium...
cajun seasonings are loaded w/ sodium... you could make your own using various spices, leaving out the salt
 
The sodium/potassium balance is one way the body controls the pH in the body. When the body is too basic they kidneys excrete sodium, and when it is too acidic the kidneys excrete potassium. You can avoid getting kidney stones, by having a more acidic environment in your kidneys. When the urine is too basic, calcium and phosphorus bind together to form kidney stones. By eating a lot of potassium, you will make your urine more acidic.

Sodium and potassium help to keep blood pressure constant. If you don't eat very much potassium, you won't have much in your cells. You're more than likely to have a lot of sodium on the outside of your cells, though. Your cellular pumps have to work extra hard to keep the sodium outside your cell membrane. More sodium will get inside your cells, and with it comes water. Your cells can actually burst because of the amount of water drawn into it. The water comes from surrounding fluids and blood. This causes a decrease in blood pressure. Eating enough potassium will help keep your blood pressure at its most healthful level. When a lot of salt gets into your blood, you get high blood pressure. This means that the blood in your body is pushing on the vein wall. It is like trying to run more water through a hose than can comfortably go through it. Your heart eventually stops pumping as hard. The kidneys recognize the drop in amount of blood coming through them and thinks there is a drop in blood pressure. This stimulates rennin and aldosterone to be released. Rennin constricts the blood vessels, which is the last thing you need. Aldosterone directs the kidneys to retain more sodium. When the sodium is drawn back into the body, it brings with it more urea and water. Urea is a toxic poison!

Your kidneys work very hard to keep the delicate sodium/potassium balance. They filter 325 quarts of blood a day. They were designed to deal with little disturbances in the sodium/potassium balance. When we overload our bodies with sodium, it is an enormous disturbance. It is hard for the kidneys to get the balance to the correct level. Your kidneys will not function as well, and possibly eventually stop working.

Salt isn't all bad though. If you didn't have any sodium, you would die. Sodium is contained in every bodily fluid. That's why blood, sweat, tears, and urine (don't ask) are all salty. Sodium and chloride help to transport nutrients between cells. Sodium keeps calcium evenly dispersed throughout the blood, so it doesn't collect on artery walls. Salt is needed to produce hydrochloric acid, without which we could not digest our food.

Although a deficiency in salt is hard to do, it can happen. You will experience wrinkles, sunken eyes (because of tissue dehydration), flatulence, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, confusion, low blood pressure, irritability, and a difficulty in breathing. You probably don't have to worry about it; most of us get way more salt than we need without trying. You need 300-500 mg of sodium a day, and the average American eats 10,000-12,000 mg a day.
source: Walton Feed Inc.
 
so blood your saying sodium isnt bad for you , then why do doctors tell there patients to lay off the salt in take so they dont get heart attacks ......;)
 
blood_drinker said:
sodium is not bad. it is just something you have to use properly to reap the benefits, such as marijuana.

Sorry blood_drinker - Poor analogy and poor taste I might add. When was the last time you sprinkled marijuana on your potatoes or bought a container of Morton marijuana at the supermarket? Hey, its illegal for a reason bud, and unless you are using it for true medical purpose, which 99% of drug-users do not, doesn't mean you can try and justifty it as a good thing where many can "reap its benefits." Gimme a break! Some of us are drug free. Moderator or no moderator, marijuana has no place on this board and you know it!
 
Well, sidestepping the AMERICAN legal issues (please note that neither myself or blood_drinker or many other visitors to this board live in such an archaic political system) I will merely reaffirm Natural One's point that Sodium is not bad for you. Sodium BALANCE is what you body reponds to so if you have a high sodium intake then you need to BALANCE it with enough potassium (and other minerals).
 
I think the only generality you can make about sodium is that it will make you retain water. As far as it's effect on blood pressure, it will affect different people in different ways, like just about any other food or supplement available.

Personally, I tend to go high on the sodium with seasonings and such to add flavor to a mostly chicken and fish diet. But I've never had bp or cholesterol problems. While I know people who virtually remove sodium from their diet (to the extent that that is actually possible) and still cannot get to what doctors consider acceptable levels. So I'd only worry about it if you have existing high bp or cholesterol levels.

One more thing for MarkF, Are you for real? Dude, you should look into killing that bug up your ass if you're gonna stay on this board without getting your little panties in an uproar. I suggest a lengthy bong hit.
 
gymtime said:
I think the only generality you can make about sodium is that it will make you retain water. As far as it's effect on blood pressure, it will affect different people in different ways, like just about any other food or supplement available.

Personally, I tend to go high on the sodium with seasonings and such to add flavor to a mostly chicken and fish diet. But I've never had bp or cholesterol problems. While I know people who virtually remove sodium from their diet (to the extent that that is actually possible) and still cannot get to what doctors consider acceptable levels. So I'd only worry about it if you have existing high bp or cholesterol levels.

One more thing for MarkF, Are you for real? Dude, you should look into killing that bug up your ass if you're gonna stay on this board without getting your little panties in an uproar. I suggest a lengthy bong hit.

Well, perhaps I did take it seriously, but, "dude", I find it rather hypocritical that one of the many goals of this board is to preach and advise on fitness and good health yet someone has a momentary gray-matter lapse and compares table salt to an illegal drug which has been proven to be CNS detrimental (not to mention the addictive properties) by science and other professionals with far more education and clinical experience than the majority of us on this board.

Furthermore, if I wanted to read or discuss illegal and/or detrimental drugs, I would start posting on the ANABOLIC section. Aside from that, it waa the poorest analogy I've ever come across and saw it as one big atypical response from someone who normally conveys educated thoughts in his posts. He wasn't even in the ballpark on ths one, "dude".
 
This board about fitness and good health ?!!?? HAHAHAHA. This board is about getting huge and ripped. For many people they don't care what the long term cost of achieving this goal is. This is not my personal goal, but clearly a priority for most folks that visit here. I will re-emphasize that marijuana is not illegal in most parts of the world so please don't go preaching about "legality" and imply any moral meaning. Anabolic steriods are not illegal in most parts of the world either. We are all entitled to our personal opinions, but at the end of the day, sodium, marijuana, AS or anything else you put in your body should be used in moderation and with a modicum of education. No such thing as "good" or "bad".

One more time....it comes down to balance.
 
MS said:
This board about fitness and good health ?!!?? HAHAHAHA. This board is about getting huge and ripped. For many people they don't care what the long term cost of achieving this goal is. This is not my personal goal, but clearly a priority for most folks that visit here. I will re-emphasize that marijuana is not illegal in most parts of the world so please don't go preaching about "legality" and imply any moral meaning. Anabolic steriods are not illegal in most parts of the world either. We are all entitled to our personal opinions, but at the end of the day, sodium, marijuana, AS or anything else you put in your body should be used in moderation and with a modicum of education. No such thing as "good" or "bad".

One more time....it comes down to balance.


Well now you got me going. My point was it was a poor analogy and with a little more cerebral dedication from somone seemingly with this capability, a better one could have been presented. Table salt??? Gimme a friggin break!!!

Drugs are dangerous period and if people think they can introduce moderation with drugs like they can with table salt then they are in for a big surprise. On the legal issue, number of countries implementing illegality has absolutley nothing to do with these dangers. Drug illegality is implemented to say to people, "Hey you morons, these drugs are dangerous (Duh???) to you and society" (I know there are other things out there that are just as dangerous but Governmental Hypocrisy doesn't justify making illeagl drugs legal). What do people think there is a conspiracy going on?

Its no secret that most of the people who oppose the illegality issue do so because they want to use - period. Sure, they try and hide behind that "Good for that economy crap" or "Medical Reason (which some are valid btw) crap" but their facade is quite transparent. When was the last time you head someone say "You know, this drug should be legal because I dont' want to go to jail when I use."

To further illustrate my point, I've never known anyone who supports their kids in taking drugs even in your countries where they are legal. Does Mommy and Daddy (willingly for you Eastern Europeans) introduce Marijuana to Johnny, Julio, Svetlana or Inga at age 8, 10, 12 Am I gonna say to my son at age 18 when he's fully developed, "Sorry son, you should have picked your parents more wisely. But to make you feel better, here's some Dianbol to compensate for that mediocre DNA you got stuck with." Why Not? Because everyone deep down inside knows about their inherent dangers.

One more time - moderate use of marijuna is far more dangerous in soooooo many different ways than the moderate use of Table Salt whether people want to admit this or not.

Hey, I told you you got me going.
 
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A poor analogy? I'll write this big and slow for you....

IT WAS A JOKE!!!

Are you at all familiar with the concept? You're obviously a bright guy. Is there a sense of humor incorporated in all that acumen. . . . . . . "dude"?

Levity is a key ingredient around here "dude". Brush up on it. If you don't, the cool guys won't like you.
 
gymtime said:
A poor analogy? I'll write this big and slow for you....

IT WAS A JOKE!!!

Are you at all familiar with the concept? You're obviously a bright guy. Is there a sense of humor incorporated in all that acumen. . . . . . . "dude"?

Levity is a key ingredient around here "dude". Brush up on it. If you don't, the cool guys won't like you.

Oh, I love this reply. lol! You've got to me kidding me!
As you proceed to bury yourself deeper with such profound advice that would have me liked by "COOL GUYS", do you really think I'm concerend about "COOL GUYS" (whatever your definition of a "Cool Guy" is) liking me or disliking me? Expressing an opinion without the slightest bit of concern for scrutiny or ridicule is what I'm all about my friend.

As far as the main issue at hand, I saw no indication of that particular posts's advice on "sodium moderation" serving as a joke or else I wouldn't have responded in that manner.
 
The fact that you didn't see the humor in blood's initial comment, plus the fact that you couldn't tell i was kidding about the "cool guy" thing only confirms what I've been saying. You wouldn't know humor if it fell out of the sky, landed on your face and started to wiggle.

Can you even tell when you're being baited?
 
Dude, sodium is an overhyped issue IMO (to a certain extent) as is cholesterol . everyone has a phobia of cholesterol. But if you do not feed your body with cholesterol, your body will produce it on its own. And with sodium, you cannot neglect it. For example, if you use Lasix, your potassium and sodium levels will seriously drop and cause an imbalance. While it is in fact hard to go low on sodium, it is even easier to go low on potassium and sodium levels when you are depleting water in your system.

I know the average american eats a bucketload of salt. But that is an extreme - it's on the edge of the stick - something we are not looking at. Sodium in moderation is NEEDED. Anything at an excess can kill you. I think that is pretty obvious.
 
gymtime said:
The fact that you didn't see the humor in blood's initial comment, plus the fact that you couldn't tell i was kidding about the "cool guy" thing only confirms what I've been saying. You wouldn't know humor if it fell out of the sky, landed on your face and started to wiggle.

Can you even tell when you're being baited?

It was an issue of inapproriate comparisons - it had nothing to do with humor. You are the only one who perceives it or is pretending to perceive it as a humor.

To prove my point, there were a couple of other responses to my reply on the matter (MS for one) who although disagreed with my response to BLOOD's reply, made no suggestion to humor. In fact, even BLOOD's latest response emphasized "moderation," saying nothing about humor.

So now you try to compare your intentions of humor (COOL GUY), to an issue which had no intentions of humor (BLOODS reply) in order to play a "Lets Make him feel like he was baited" psychology on me. Sorry, that doesn't work. Nice try though.

Of course I expect one or 2 others to start piling on any minute now with this Humor Notion but it would be too late for that because the cat got out of this bag a long time ago.
 
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and like ms said - it comes down to balance.

BUT BY ALL MEANS, DON'T EAT YOUR MC FRIES EVERYDAY, THAT'S A SURE WAY TO GET HIGH BP AND BE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM QUICK.
 
OK, fair enough. I will leave it up to you to decide what is and is not appropriate on this board.

When will I learn not to argue with a tightass.
 
gymtime said:
OK, fair enough. I will leave it up to you to decide what is and is not appropriate on this board.

When will I learn not to argue with a tightass.

Look, maybe I took his response more seriously than I should have (I'm an anti-drug extremist, what can I say?). I just thought the comparison was too far out there.
 
Hey man, that's fine. I don't even necessarily dissagree with you. I just thought Blood's comment was funny, whether he intended it to be or not. Then you kinda ripped him a new one. I thought it was overkill so I went after you. It happens a lot here. No big deal dude (;)).
 
gymtime said:
Hey man, that's fine. I don't even necessarily dissagree with you. I just thought Blood's comment was funny, whether he intended it to be or not. Then you kinda ripped him a new one. I thought it was overkill so I went after you. It happens a lot here. No big deal dude (;)).

Its cool.
 
HEH, just to clarify, my intention was in fact to make an analogy with 2 very different things. sodium and marijuana. if you find it funny fine, but i wouldn't get all hyped about it !:confused:

anyway, the health issue maybe is only present at the life extension board. the rest either want to bulk and get shredded like MS said. It's very true. And whether you like it or not, marijuana is a big part of the board and the world. You may not like it, but you have to acknowledge it.:o
 
Well I thought it was a strange analogy too, but what it comes down to for me is 1) High sodium intake was not present in our ancestors and was a highly sought after commodity (NB diets made up of completely natural foods are very low in sodium): 2) excess sodium intake is a causative factor in thousands of times more deaths than marijuana , steroids or any other "unethical" drug and I can back that statement with an overwhelming amount of peer reviewed scientific research. Salt is addictive. Chronic excess salt intake kills. Salt also causes poeple to eat more calories and in that respect may contribute to obesity in affluent cultures. Aside from that I freak out big time when I see my kids eating food that has a gross amount of excess sodium added to it. So I personally put EXCESS sodium intake in a similar league to EXCESS recreational drug use. Again, in moderation I have no problem with my kids trying and occassionally indulging in recreational drugs (this includes alcohol and tobacco which are another two drugs which unquestionably kill more folks than marijuana). I think it would be a fine idea to put a tax on sodium content. At the very least it might make low salt foods less expensive than high salt foods. Or perhaps we should offer a discount for foods that have a decent sodium to potassium balance??? Of course this will never happen because people want to be free to choose what they put in their own bodies (and so they should). The best we can do is educate, and in my mind that is what these boards are about first and foremost. So eat your sodium if you can't keep away from it. But make sure your intake of other minerals is in balance. And beware of all addictions (including salt).
 
sodium is good, in most cases

my friend during football was like almost pasing out every day, he went to the doc and he was told he didn't have enough sodium. Now before practice he drinks what tastes like flavored sea water, lol (powerade+salt)

i have been feeling a little bit bad during practice due to a lack of sodium also, you just gotta keep it at the right levels
 
Sensible, non-conformist facts about marijuana

This pamphlet was researched and produced as a public service by the Family Council on Drug Awareness, P.O. Box 71093, LA CA 90071-0093

1 Q. What is Marijuana?
A. "Marijuana" refers to the dried leaves and flowers of the cannabis plant [1], which contain the non-narcotic chemical THC at various potencies. It is smoked or eaten to produce the feeling of being "high." The different strains of this herb produce different sensual effects, ranging from sedative to stimulant.

2 Q. Who Uses Marijuana?
A. There is no simple profile of a typical marijuana user. It has been used for 1000s of years for medical, social, and religious reasons and for relaxation [2]. Several of our Presidents [3] are believed to have smoked it. One out of every five Americans say they have tried it. And it is still popular among artists, writers, musicians, activists, lawyers, inventors, working people, etc.

3 Q. How Long Have People Been Using Marijuana?
A. Marijuana has been used since ancient times [4]. While field hands and working people have often smoked the raw plant, aristocrats historically prefer hashish [5] made from the cured flowers of the plant. It was not seen as a problem until a calculated disinformation [sic] campaign was launched in the 1930s [6], and the first American laws against using it were passed [7].

4 Q. Is Marijuana Addictive?
A. No, it is not [8]. Most users are moderate consumers who smoke it socially to relax. We now know that 10% of our population have "addictive personalities" and they are neither more nor less likely to overindulge in cannabis than in anything else. On a relative scale, marijuana is less habit forming than either sugar or chocolate but more so than anchovies. Sociologists report a general pattern of marijuana use that peaks in the early adult years, followed by a period of levelling off and then a gradual reduction in use [9].

5 Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From Smoking Marijuana?
A. No; not one single case, not ever. THC is one of the few chemicals for which there is no known toxic amount [10]. The federal agency NIDA says that autopsies reveal that 75 people per year are high on marijuana when they die: this does not mean that marijuana caused or was even a factor in their deaths. The chart below compares the number of deaths attributable to selected substances in a typical year:

Tobacco 340,000 - 395,000
Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents) > 125,000
Drug Overdose (prescription) 24,000 - 27,000
Drug Overdose (illegal) 3,800 - 5,200
Marijuana 0

*Source: U.S. Government Bureau of Mortality Statistics, 1987

6 Q. Does Marijuana Lead to Crime and/or Hard Drugs?
A. No [11]. The only crime most marijuana users commit is that they use marijuana. And, while many people who abuse dangerous drugs also smoke marijuana, the old "stepping stone" theory is now discredited, since virtually all of them started out "using" legal drugs like sugar, coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

7 Q. Does Marijuana Make People Violent?
A. No. In fact, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger once told Congress just the opposite - that it leads to non-violence and pacifism [12]. If he was telling the truth (which he and key federal agencies have not often done regarding marijuana), then re-legalizing marijuana should be considered as one way to curb violence in our cities. The simple fact is that marijuana does not change your basic personality. The government says that over 20 million Americans still smoke it, probably including some of the nicest people you know.

8 Q. How Does Marijuana Affect Your Health?
A. Smoking anything is not healthy, but marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco and people smoke less of it at a time. This health risk can be avoided by eating the plant instead of smoking it [13], or can be reduced by smoking smaller amounts of stronger marijuana. There is no proof that marijuana causes serious health or sexual problems [14] but, like alcohol, its use by children or adolescents is discouraged. Cannabis is a medicinal herb that has hundreds of proven, valuable theraputic uses - from stress reduction to glaucoma to asthma to cancer therapy, etc. [15].

9 Q. What About All Those Scary Statistics and Studies?
A. Most were prepared as scare tactics for the government by Dr. Gabriel Nahas, and were so biased and unscientific that Nahas was fired by the National Institute of Health [16] and finally renounced his own studies as meaningless [17]. For one experiment, he suffocated monkeys for five minutes at a time, using proportionately more smoke than the average user inhales in an entire lifetime [18]. The other studies that claim sensational health risks are also suspect, since they lack controls and produce results which cannot be replicated or independently verified [19].

10 Q. What Can I Do About Marijuana?
A. No independent government panel that has studied marijuana has ever recommended jail for users [20]. Concerned persons should therefore ask their legislators to re-legalize and tax this plant, subject to age limits and regulations similar to those on alcohol and tobacco.

For More Information, Write:

Family Coucil on Drug Awareness
P.O. Box 71093, LA CA 90071-0093

Footnotes
The same plant, known as hemp, has an estimated 50,000 non-drug commercial uses including paper, textiles, fuels, food and sealants, but these uses are also banned by existing laws. Sources: Encyclopedia Britannica, federal documents and historical records.
Coptic Christians, Rhastafarnians [sic], Shintos, Hinus, Buddhists, Sufis, Essenes, Zoroastrians, Bantus, and many other sects have traditions that consider the plant to have religious value.
Their personal correspondence and records reveal that U.S. Presidents Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and others smoked hashish, as did Benjamin Franklin and Mary Todd Lincoln. President John F. Kennedy is also reported to have smoked marijuana to relieve his back pain. Many of America's greatest leaders and Founding Fathers (including George Washington) were hemp farmers. Sources: National Archives, published reports.
Archeologists report that cannabis was possibly the first plant cultivated by humans - about 8000 B.C. - and was used for linen, paper, and garments. Source: Columbia University, _History of the World_. It was being smoked in China and India as early as 2700 B.C.
Turkish smoking parlors were popular in both Europe and America. as well as the Middle and Far East, as recently as the turn of the Century.
The exhaustive Indian Hemp "Raj" Commission report (1986) by British authorities found no reason to restrict its use. But the notorious yellow journalist William Randolph Hearst fabricated and published horror stories about marijuana that were eventually investigated and shown to be lies, but not until long after the marijuana prohibition was enacted in 1938. Source: Larry Sloman, _Reefer Madness_.
Laws against marijuana were passed a year after the invention of a machine to harvest and process hemp so it could compete commercially against businesses owned by Hearst, the DuPonts and other powerful families. Source: Jack Herer, _The Emporor Wears No Clothes_.
Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency. Costa Rican Study, 1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; Nixon Blue Ribbon Report, 1972, et. al.
Source: Psychology Today, Newsweek, et.al.
Source: All univerity medical studies: UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.
Costa Rican Study, 1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; "The legal drugs for adults, such as alcohol and tobacco...precede the use of all illicit drugs." Source: National Academy of Sciences.
The FBI reports that 65-75% of criminal violence is alcohol related. "Pacifist syndrome" testimony was given by Federal Bureau of Narcotics Director Harry Anslinger before Congress (1948). However, the "Siler" Study conducted by the U.S in Panama (1931) reported "no impairment" in military personnel who smoked marijuana while off duty.
"The only clinically significant medical problem is that scientifically linked to marijuana is bronchitis. Like smoking tobacco, the treatment is the same: stop smoking." Source: Dr. Fred Oerther, M.D.
Coptic study (UCLA), 1981; "There is not yet any conclusive evidence as to whether prolonged use of marijuana causes permanent changes in the nervous system or sustained impairment of brain function and behavior in human beings." Source: National Academy of Sciences.
Source: Dr. Tod Mikuriya, _Marijuana Medical Papers_. Marijuana could replace at least 10-20% of prescribed drugs now in use. Source: Dr. Raphael Mechoulam. Marijuana was a major active ingredient in 40-50% of patent medicines before its ban.
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1983
The U.S. Government reports that the oral dose of cannabis required to kill a mouse is about 40,000 times the dose required to produce symptoms of intoxication in man. Source: Lowe, _Journal of Pharmacological and Experimental Therapeutics_, Oct. 1946.
In another famous study, Heath/Tulane (1974), wild monkeys were brutally captured, then virtually suffocated in marijuana smoke over a period of 90 days. Source: National Institute of Health.
Examples: the "LaGuardia" Committee Report (New York, 1944) and President Richard Nixon's Blue Ribbon "Shafer" Commission (1972).
 
I reallize that marijuana doesn't improve a user's physique in any way. However, there are obvious positive uses for it. For instance: appetite stimulation, pain relief, relaxation in extreme circumstances, etc. I believe that marijuana can definitely be of practical use.

I'm not usually into arguing about such things on message boards, but Mark so blatantly and insubstantiatedly inferred that marijuana was "bad". I reallize this argument began with a joke. However, I think many people need to be informed about issues that the government and other organizations have propagandized. No, marijuana is NOT bad in such a clear-cut way. Yes, it IS bad in some ways. However, there ARE many medical professionals that feel marijuana has a legitimate use.

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