what is better good food and a diet or good steroids?

[st8grad]

you know whats funny is all these flames, your all stupid OPEN YOUR MIND

90% ON HERE ARE LIKE 200 POUNDS NOT SOME PROS SO
seriously good food AND good training in 1 year you get about 7lbs muscle

1 FULL year of good juice and shitty food training you probably up 30-40 pounds MUSCLE

its like people would go whats best legal supplement 3yrs ago most on here say
protein/vitamin c are more important than pro hormones bullllllshitttttttttt you will gain more strength and size from 1-ad than all the vitamin c and protein IN 8 WEEKS NO COMPARISON

most on here dont open their mind at all
they believe these myths
steroids f up your liver realllllllllllllly i know 200 juicers all livers are fine there have been maybe 10 deaths in 10 years in usa from steroid related/liver

synthol is dangerous its oil its same concern as shoting test no different you dont aspirate you can f up butyou will look like valentino whattttttttt every single pro uses synthol period its not for pussies its to refine or put a 1/2 inch here or there
its very safe

steroids stunt growth ........no estrogen does testosterone increases height in puberty
AIDS WHERE A CONDOM THE CHANCE OF GETTING AIDS FROM A WOMAN TO A MAN IS 1 IN MILLION TO 1 IN 6 MILLION DEPENDING ON WHAT STATS YOU BELIEVE ITS A GAY/IV DRUG USER DISEASE AND WOMEN HAVE A CHANCE MEN-SORRY YOUR SAFE UNLESS YOUR 1 IN A COUPLE MILLION

but we here same crap over and over and repeat it over and over until its fact

so whats better in long run obviously good food ect but if you say you have to gain 20lbs of muscle before summer ill go with the gooooooddd juice and if

I understand what you are trying to say Fina. But I do think it is a huge exaggeration that you can put on 30-40 of pure muscle in one year. A guy can be about 200 pounds and 13% bodyfat and put on 40 pounds in one year and LOOK like he hasn't put on any fat. But in reality he probably is now 240 and around 15-16% bodyfat. You won't really notice the extra fat in the mirror but it is there. So this person put on 28 pounds of muscle which is a lot but also put on 12 pounds of fat.

For someone who is 10% or less body fat and put on 3% it would show up quite a bit more. Also someone going from 16-19% would look a lot worse too. That 13-16% range is where you can't really tell a difference to the naked eye.

I also agree to an extent that even a fairly shitty diet you can still grow as long as it contains enough protein and enough calories. But not an overtly excess of calories. On a super clean diet of 4000 calories you will look and probably feel better than a shitty diet of 4000 calories if your macro split was the same. You might not lay down much more fat per se, but you will be a lot more bloated. The biggest consideration is your lipid panels and blood sugar levels, etc. They will be fucked on a shitty diet as opposed to a clean diet.

 

[Tatyana]

I know when most of the lads in my gym are on a cycle, cause they blow up.

I also know when they come off, cause they shrink.

There are also some that consider 'coming off' four weeks of orals.

They are going bald at 25, and have joked with me that their testicles are the size of peanuts.

If you think that you can use steroids and get a lean and mean physique that lasts, go for it, be a walking chemical factory.

If you think you will be able to do this for the rest of your life and have a fantatic body, I really doubt it.

I really don't think some of you realise the amazingly complex interactions of the entire hormonal system.

 

[nzrodney]

I know when most of the lads in my gym are on a cycle, cause they blow up.

I also know when they come off, cause they shrink.

There are also some that consider 'coming off' four weeks of orals.

They are going bald at 25, and have joked with me that their testicles are the size of peanuts.

If you think that you can use steroids and get a lean and mean physique that lasts, go for it, be a walking chemical factory.

If you think you will be able to do this for the rest of your life and have a fantatic body, I really doubt it.

I really don't think some of you realise the amazingly complex interactions of the entire hormonal system.

Sure I'm bald, but I was at 25 anyway, my balls never shrink, & I stay on all the time , well for the last 3 years, & i'm 217lbs 5'10" around 9-10% BF. I dont advocate this regime for anyone under 40 or unless you are earning your income from your body.

 

[finalabs]

i saw alot of football players around 18 19 eat ho hoes pizza shit food and be way stronger/ bigger than the workout artisits but i guess it goes to genetics too

if your shreaded like 6% nutrally you can eat cake & big macs and every pound you gain on juice will be pure muscle ive seen it hundreds of times
but if your naturally fat like 30% im sure a ton of juice wouldnt be that great with out working out right

look at the pro bodybuilders never saw a fat one as a 16 year old all had natural abs at lease 95%

 

[reigninghard]

Diet is the key ingredient. It is so funny when I speak to people who aren't involved in fitness or know the lingo ...when i speak of my diet they think I'm dieting. Like i'm trying to lose weight and they usually say something like I hate dieting. I'm thinking well, I'm bulking so my diet consists of this and that.... or I'm cutting etc..

 

[jagerbombme]

Sure I'm bald, but I was at 25 anyway, my balls never shrink, & I stay on all the time , well for the last 3 years, & i'm 217lbs 5'10" around 9-10% BF. I dont advocate this regime for anyone under 40 or unless you are earning your income from your body.

girls are paying for hotel rooms to have sex with me, does that count? )))))

 

[Triple-G]

Why do women do not put so much muscle mass on their frames even if they train and eat the same as men? The only differene is testosterone blood levels. Therefore steroids are more important than food.

Eating is overrated because BB make the same mistake as dieting women: they judge their results by how much weight they gain. They increase protein and their weight goes up and they are happy. That almost all BB consume way to much protein, where excess amounts are just converted to bodyfat, they ignore blissfully. I would rank:

#1 Training
#2 Roids
#3 HGH
#4 Sleep
#5 Food

there is a scientific explanation for the magic of steroids: positive nitrogen balance due to protein recycling. With high enough amounts of steroids in your system you can go on an zero calories diet and would not lose much muscle mass for weeks.

The reason why skinny dudes often do not grow even when using steroids is that they do not train hard enough, since without adequate training, nothing will do. But without proper hormone levels, nothing will happen either, as most women will tell you.

 

[reigninghard]

Why do women do not put so much muscle mass on their frames even if they train and eat the same as men? The only differene is testosterone blood levels. Therefore steroids are more important than food.

Eating is overrated because BB make the same mistake as dieting women: they judge their results by how much weight they gain. They increase protein and their weight goes up and they are happy. That almost all BB consume way to much protein, where excess amounts are just converted to bodyfat, they ignore blissfully. I would rank:

#1 Training
#2 steroids
#3 human growth hormone - somatropin -
#4 Sleep
#5 Food

there is a scientific explanation for the magic of steroids: positive nitrogen balance due to protein recycling. With high enough amounts of steroids in your system you can go on an zero calories diet and would not lose much muscle mass for weeks.

The reason why skinny dudes often do not grow even when using steroids is that they do not train hard enough, since without adequate training, nothing will do. But without proper hormone levels, nothing will happen either, as most women will tell you.

if youve ever done a cycle without concentration on diet and done one while preparing for a show, hence concentrating on a diet you would change your rankings completely.

 

[2raptors]

Why do women do not put so much muscle mass on their frames even if they train and eat the same as men? The only differene is testosterone blood levels. Therefore steroids are more important than food.

Eating is overrated because BB .....

WOW! Unfortunately, I have to agree with this...but only because of my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE through YEARS of training on many different levels... I've been an age-group Ironman Triathlete, and have been trying to pack on muscle and loose fat for 25 years. My SHITTY GENETICS dictate MY results....period. I think that if I followed my "BMR"...I would be an OBESE FUCKING COW....period. I've tried following NX-Cares Get shredded diet for 21 days...lost 11 lbs..(all water I feel), because I was 250, eating to weight 225! I essentially lost NOTHING.

HolyGhost wrote me a neat carb-cycleing diet (where's he been anyway??) ....I told him my problem....and I start loosing bF...I'm eating...and maintaining my strength and muscle (going on 4 weeks off SHORT 6 week Primo/test cycle) on 15-1800Kcal per DAY.... and doing HITT cardio...and the weight is EVER SO SLOWLY coming off. NO WAY am I loosing muscle...I'm getting stronger, more vascular by the week... NO F'N WAY!

EVERYONE says my muscle shape has changed dramatically...but DIET was not the key here...it was AS. PERIOD.

I'm still eating VERY CLEAN, cycleing carbs...and "maintaining weight" at 245...and STILL at 18% fucking bodyfat!!! At 1800 average Kcal per day!!!

SO it's SUPERIOR genetics that dictate how well your body naturally responds to diet and exercise.... I don't think anyone will argue with that....

I'm not sure if AS is "more" important...but if you are going to use it??? It's NECK IN NECK...the two work better together...obviously.

Again, my own peronal (stinky) opinion here....I"m VERY IMPRESSED with my first cycle....

Planning my second for APRIL as well....

 

[jagerbombme]

Why do women do not put so much muscle mass on their frames even if they train and eat the same as men? The only differene is testosterone blood levels. Therefore steroids are more important than food.

Eating is overrated because BB .....

WOW! Unfortunately, I have to agree with this...but only because of my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE through YEARS of training on many different levels... I've been an age-group Ironman Triathlete, and have been trying to pack on muscle and loose fat for 25 years. My SHITTY GENETICS dictate MY results....period. I think that if I followed my "BMR"...I would be an OBESE FUCKING COW....period. I've tried following NX-Cares Get shredded diet for 21 days...lost 11 lbs..(all water I feel), because I was 250, eating to weight 225! I essentially lost NOTHING.

HolyGhost wrote me a neat carb-cycleing diet (where's he been anyway??) ....I told him my problem....and I start loosing bF...I'm eating...and maintaining my strength and muscle (going on 4 weeks off SHORT 6 week Primobolan - methenolone - /test cycle) on 15-1800Kcal per DAY.... and doing HITT cardio...and the weight is EVER SO SLOWLY coming off. NO WAY am I loosing muscle...I'm getting stronger, more vascular by the week... NO F'N WAY!

EVERYONE says my muscle shape has changed dramatically...but DIET was not the key here...it was AS. PERIOD.

I'm still eating VERY CLEAN, cycleing carbs...and "maintaining weight" at 245...and STILL at 18% fucking bodyfat!!! At 1800 average Kcal per day!!!

SO it's SUPERIOR genetics that dictate how well your body naturally responds to diet and exercise.... I don't think anyone will argue with that....

I'm not sure if AS is "more" important...but if you are going to use it??? It's NECK IN NECK...the two work better together...obviously.

Again, my own peronal (stinky) opinion here....I"m VERY IMPRESSED with my first cycle....

Planning my second for APRIL as well....

it could take a long time for your body to respond to a certain diet. i've been on around 2k cals per day for almost this whole year. all of a sudden fat is falling off. your body has to respond, it takes time and dedication im guessing. and maybe a packet of androgel per day