Weight Lifting vrs Cardio

[Legion Kreinak]

My Goal: Boxing, being a tank, being able to trade heavy blows
Height: 6'
Weight: 155
Age: 15

1) The Cardio
Now first off, I hear people telling me to do very little cardio, otherwise I'm wasting my time weight lifting because I'll lose some of my muscle from the cardio. However I see professional boxers jumpin' rope, and destroying the heavy bag and sweatin' like crazy. Someone give me input on this.

2) The Routine
Well I figure for boxing purposes being larger and much stronger is useful, since I'd end up being a heavyweight, I was wondering what routine would be the best choice.

5x5
Corn's 3 Day Program (Though I'm not so comfortable with deads so I don't know about this one)

I'm sure there are others but I don't know them now. Could someone either point me to some sites with boxing routines, or tell me which routine you think would be the most sensible and why? I'm guessing high reps is out...

3) The Supplements
Alright, as some of you may know, I'm basically poor now. But I want to accomplish my goal, I don't wanna be a quitter. Now, does Creatine increase strength as well as size, or no? Becuase I know it retains water and makes your muscles "blow up", so to speak, and if you don't drink enough water your muscles can get slightly smaller because the size comes from water itself. I need help here because I'll use it if it'll actually help with boxing and getting stronger.

Adding onto the above, is there anything better (or that you guys would recommend) over creatine and why?

That's all for now. I'm deeply sorry I know that was long but I finally realized what I wanna do... box. I just saw that new movie Undisputed and it got me so into boxing now. I always liked the idea but thought martial arts was better. But when you come down to it, I think boxing much better in terms of getting through life, and fighting. Thank you all!

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Help

 

[lemur]

1) I know a lot of boxers that are big guys and hardly weight train. If you really want to, and boxing is your main priority, cardio is a must. 3-4 times a week with medium intensity for about 30 mins shouldn't hurt much if you're eating enough. Punching strength has little to do with strength and a lot to do with technique.

2) Routines are individual. There is no best routine. Corn's is good if you aren't actively training because boxing would definetely mess with recovery.

3) Early in training, creatine is a waste of time. All you need is a weight gainer or a protein powder.

 

[Lord_Suston]

if you are not going to be competeing for awhile then there are some things you should do to train to become bigger and faster.

1) sprints, most people wonder why, but when you box it is usually in spurts not 10minutes plus like running. it will help you get faster legs and improve footwork, don't ignore running but sprint as well...

2) Stretch, most people think if the gain muscle they will be too slow, another falesy, stretch properly and you will not looses the flexibility to properly fight.

3) Train to box, many boxers lift only and then try to box a few weeks later, their skill have atrophied and they blame it on weightlifting, it's not because they weightlifted but more importantly they ignore their training.

I personally think the use of supplements at your age is kinda a waste unless it is protein, and only if you don't get enough food at your home.....

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Suston and Lemur, thanks alot. Yeah I heard if you take two men, one who knows how to throw a punch but can only bench 150, and then another who can becnh 300 but can't throw a punch... the 150 man will punch harder, and more coordinated.

I'm starting to think I'd rather get bigger (upper body, get bulk then cut) and be intimidating, and still have that insane punching power and speed. So, can either of you recommend how I should go about gaining bulk, and then cutting down? I plan to do cardio alot then if it won't effect me negatively.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

what is corn's 3 day 5x5? 3 days sounds good.. i might be able to get in 3 days inbetween my work (work makes me overtrain easy)

Thomas

 

[Legion Kreinak]

... Corn doesn't have a 5x5. He has his 3day old school program do a search.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

was this it?

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Monday

Deadlifts 1 max set of 20.
Overhead Press - 5 sets of 5
Squats - 5 sets of 3
Seated Calf Raise - 2 sets of 20

Wednesday

Barbell Rows - 5 sets of 5
Bench Press - 5 sets of 5
Deadlifts - 1 set of 20
Standing Calf Raise - 2 sets of 20

Friday

Shrugs - 5 sets of 5
Barbell Curls - 5 sets of 5
Dips - 5 sets of 5
Squats - 5 sets of 5 with weight from Monday

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i think it sounds like a really good training set for me.. i work 40 hours a week stocking, so cant really work out those 5 day things.. this sounds like it should work fine though..

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Oh wait, yeah shit, that was it.

 

[Lord_Suston]

When I was your age and I train for baseball and Boxing, all I did was Squat, Deadlift, Clean and jerks, Bench, I rarely did arm work.....

But I did a three times a week weightlifting. most set were focused on explosive strength and form. after weightlifting I would practice my sport and on two off days a week I would sprint... Back then I overtrained a lot....

Mon: Sprint then Legs about 30min
Tues: Box
Wen Back/Traps/Bis
Thu: Sprint
Fri Box
Sat Chest Tri/shoulders
Sun Box

The only problem is I know how to box and fight so learning the form of it is not hard, you will probably need to spend a lot of time to learn how to perfect your form....