Isn't it sweet how all the fuckin' haters come out of the woodwork to say that your gains are all fat and water? I posted that I as up 20 pounds five weeks into a cycle, and that's about all I got too. What would we have to gain by getting on here and lying about our gains? To me, it seems like a pretty hollow "victory". I suppose the people who get off on calling those gains b.s. get the same type of satisfaction when they lie down on their little beds at night. Rock on bigguns! I support you. I believe what you're saying about Primo being the ticket. My first cycle was a Primo only cycle for 8 weeks, and I put on 18 pounds of nothing BUT muscle.