!!!!!water retention!!!!!

[luigiboy1]

Hey bro's .. quick question. I am on my 4th week into my second cycle of 500mg Sustanon/week(organon) and 400mg Deca/ week(tornel). Strength gains are good and I can definitely tell I am in a very anabolic state.I am 5'10, started at 180lbs and I am 196lbs right now and about 15% bf. The issue I am adressing is: I can tell that I am retaining much water and am starting to look chubby...bigger and thicker but not defined at all. My diet has been clean , plenty eggs(6-7)and toast in AM, protein bar, red meat and rice, potates and veggies for lunch , muscle juice 1200(protein shake pre workout) , same post workout 1200 shake and tuna or chicken before bed. (Example diet). Is it just the water retention and will go away when all is said and done, or should I change my diet.

My last three weeks of my 12 weeks cycle will consist of 50 mg winnie (zambon) ed, this will aid in the flushing out the sust and deca since I will stop deca on week 9 and sust on week 10 leaving me about 2-3 weeks to start PCT right after my last winnie injection.

 

[lmm23]

The diet looks good bro. I would say it is just water retention. I held a lot of water on deca, and sustanon always causes me to bloat. You could take .25 arimidex at EOD.

 

[xrsist]

you should be using or at least have an AI on stand by in case of these issues. run adex at .5mg EOD then adjust dosage as required

 

[Zuperman]

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[Nelson Montana]

The Deca is going to make the bloating worse. A little adexx should help but it won't help the bloat from the Deca because it's cause by progesterone.

This can only help. Read: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=919&cat=0&page=1

 

[rage_roid]

how about natural diuretics???? herbal and stuff... does it really works???

 

[Nelson Montana]

how about natural diuretics???? herbal and stuff... does it really works???

Bottom line, you have to piss, piss and piss some more. Sweating helps too. So throw on a sweat shirt and a sweat belt and hit the weights. DEFINITION is an herbal diuretic -- the most potent on the market.

 

[st8grad]

Not to go against Nelson's product, because I'm sure it is better - and Unleashed is awesome - but KAL Herburetic works pretty well too. It's a little cheaper is why I mentioned it. I don't know if you can double the dose of Herburetic, but you can with Definition.

 

[instant.muscle]

Bottom line, you have to piss, piss and piss some more. Sweating helps too. So throw on a sweat shirt and a sweat belt and hit the weights. DEFINITION is an herbal diuretic -- the most potent on the market.

where u get definition and is it harmful?

 

[rage_roid]

cardio is also very important right? I mean, in case I dont take any diuretics... anti-e + cardio and some herbal diuretic should do the job...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Not to go against Nelson's product, because I'm sure it is better - and Unleashed is awesome - but KAL Herburetic works pretty well too. It's a little cheaper is why I mentioned it. I don't know if you can double the dose of Herburetic, but you can with Definition.

Herburetic isn't bad, but it's less complete than DEFINITION and lower dosed on the ingredients that they share. 90 caps cost around $12 whereas DEFINITION is $29 for 200 caps so the price is right about the same.

I provided a link for DEFINITION in the 5th post.

 

[instant.muscle]

so which would be better for me to keep the bloat of during my test deca dbol cycle definition or aifm?

 

[SuperOne]

I just ordered Definition and its on the way, so i hope it works as regular dandelion root didnt work for me. Im going to take a double dose.

 

[mattdan]

The potatoes and rice (if white) will add a small amount to the water retention. The best diet contains NOTHING WHITE. Potatoes, sugar, rice, etc.

The glycemic index on a potato is higher than table sugar. High gly index foods adds water retention.

I'm not saying go low carb - I am saying make sure you don't overdue the carbs and only healthy carbs.

Watching carbs can EASILY cut 10lbs of water weight in a week.

 

[off_safety]

The Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is going to make the bloating worse. A little adexx should help but it won't help the bloat from the Deca because it's cause by progesterone.

This can only help. Read: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=919&cat=0&page=1

have you used this personally? im running de.ca/en.th/pr.op in a few weeks and dont want to get too bloated. ive used AIFM and thought it worked well.

 

[Nelson Montana]

have you used this personally? im running de.ca/en.th/pr.op in a few weeks and dont want to get too bloated. ive used AIFM and thought it worked well.

Yes, I've used all sorts of ingredients and these worked best which is the reason I designed it. Definitely cuts down on the water you hold, as long as you drink enough water. Natural diuretics only stimulate urination, and secretion of sodium so water must be taken in. This also makes it safe.

 

[ukkared]

A-dex is a must if you are concerned about bloating due to aromatization. Unfortunately cardio isn't going to make that big of a difference, at least it never has for me. As long as your diet is pretty clean and not full of sugars and fat you should be good as far as not putting on a bunch of fat.

 

[luigiboy1]

Alright bro's , so basically the bottomline is we all know that while on cycle with most AS, we will expect some watar retention , now the key is to keep it the lowest possible with clean diet, high in good carbs, high in proteins , low in fats, and definitely high in calories if looking for bulk. drinking plenty of fluids, and using a-dex or an anti aromatase. What do you bro's think about adding some nolvadex 10-20 mg as I'm in my 4th week into 500sust/week and 400deca/week. will the nolva help out with the excess bloat. I've had it on hand since the beginning, so would you bro's recommend I should start now.?? thanx

 

[holy ghost]

try DEFINITON and tell me how it works i am going to recommend it to a personal friend if so.