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Please post your weight height body fat% current diet (detailed sample of your daily intake when what and how much) and training split?bbk42mac said:need i post all the info i have b4 someone takes me seriously?
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The Shadow
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You can post if you want.
BUT
you need to educate yourself about the basics....like the difference between powder and crystal.
Since this is on THIS forum, I assume you know about the toxicity as it relates to eggs etc.
BUT
you need to educate yourself about the basics....like the difference between powder and crystal.
Since this is on THIS forum, I assume you know about the toxicity as it relates to eggs etc.
It would be good to post your current stats etc. if you have been reading about DNP then I am sure you know how very dangerous it can be. If you could tweak and or change something else first that would be optimal.
this is the first i\'m hearing about eggs, i read 50/35/15 = carb/protein/fat was fine
you guys probably do know more than me, i\'m not here to argue just get keyed in before the jump
crystal dnp is weaker than powder dnp because it\'s dnp added with salt
you need to dry out industrial grade dnp because it ships with 15-30% water content
i\'m drying mine out with silica because this will also remove inpurities
i have 5 leads for dnp, cheapes 2 are from america and they don\'t ship worldwide, one is a chemical company the other two sell it capped online
going to research eggs
thanks
you guys probably do know more than me, i\'m not here to argue just get keyed in before the jump
crystal dnp is weaker than powder dnp because it\'s dnp added with salt
you need to dry out industrial grade dnp because it ships with 15-30% water content
i\'m drying mine out with silica because this will also remove inpurities
i have 5 leads for dnp, cheapes 2 are from america and they don\'t ship worldwide, one is a chemical company the other two sell it capped online
going to research eggs
thanks
T
The Shadow
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Um.....FEMALE EGGS....
if you are a dude....get outta here.....lol
if you are a dude....get outta here.....lol
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not sure why i have so many of those ^^
powder vs crystal
It seems that this idea is highly debated. Some say crystal is stronger than powder and some say powder is stronger than crystal. A discussion on this issue took place on another board and in response a supplier increased the dosage of their crystal caps to 250mg from 200, because it was said that crystal was weaker than powder and they offered to up the dosage.
Here is a copy paste of the start of the convo. Its an old ass study sited here, but I cannot find anything else contary to the info presented other than conjecture based on personal belief.
Crystal DNP is also called the \"sodium salt\" of DNP since the DNP in it is attached to sodium. One quarter of the weight of crystal DNP is the salt. Back in 1933, Tainter ML, Stockton AB, and Cutting WC researched DNP at Stanford University. In one of their studies entitled \"Use of dinitrophenol in obesity and related conditions: a progress report\" (J Am Med Assoc 1933; 101: 1472?1475) they state that \"The drug was used in the form of dinitrophenol itself or as the sodium salt. Capsules containing 100mg. of the sodium salt, or its equivalent of 75 mg. of the acid [powder], were used throughout. The two forms were therapeutically indistinguishable, as was to be expected.\" Not only were no differences noted by these top researchers after the doses of the two kinds were adjusted for equivalency, but they didn\'t expect a difference either. Consider the myth dispelled. As many of us who have taken both kinds know, there is NO difference once you adjust the dose. For the same effect, you have to take more of the crystal or less of the powder, since the powder is stronger (pure DNP).
Thus, the amount in crystal DNP is only 75% of the amount in pure DNP (400mg in crystal is only 300mg of actual DNP). Crystal will result in less weight loss mg per mg than the powder form of DNP simply because it contains less DNP for uncoupling oxidative phosphylation. Claims about crystal DNP being \"better\" are just marketing dribble. As the study explains, the two forms are therapeutically indistinguishable. Similarly, when people claim that the crystal form has less side effects it\'s simply because less DNP is being ingested, not because the crystal is somehow special.
not sure why i have so many of those ^^
powder vs crystal
It seems that this idea is highly debated. Some say crystal is stronger than powder and some say powder is stronger than crystal. A discussion on this issue took place on another board and in response a supplier increased the dosage of their crystal caps to 250mg from 200, because it was said that crystal was weaker than powder and they offered to up the dosage.
Here is a copy paste of the start of the convo. Its an old ass study sited here, but I cannot find anything else contary to the info presented other than conjecture based on personal belief.
Crystal DNP is also called the \"sodium salt\" of DNP since the DNP in it is attached to sodium. One quarter of the weight of crystal DNP is the salt. Back in 1933, Tainter ML, Stockton AB, and Cutting WC researched DNP at Stanford University. In one of their studies entitled \"Use of dinitrophenol in obesity and related conditions: a progress report\" (J Am Med Assoc 1933; 101: 1472?1475) they state that \"The drug was used in the form of dinitrophenol itself or as the sodium salt. Capsules containing 100mg. of the sodium salt, or its equivalent of 75 mg. of the acid [powder], were used throughout. The two forms were therapeutically indistinguishable, as was to be expected.\" Not only were no differences noted by these top researchers after the doses of the two kinds were adjusted for equivalency, but they didn\'t expect a difference either. Consider the myth dispelled. As many of us who have taken both kinds know, there is NO difference once you adjust the dose. For the same effect, you have to take more of the crystal or less of the powder, since the powder is stronger (pure DNP).
Thus, the amount in crystal DNP is only 75% of the amount in pure DNP (400mg in crystal is only 300mg of actual DNP). Crystal will result in less weight loss mg per mg than the powder form of DNP simply because it contains less DNP for uncoupling oxidative phosphylation. Claims about crystal DNP being \"better\" are just marketing dribble. As the study explains, the two forms are therapeutically indistinguishable. Similarly, when people claim that the crystal form has less side effects it\'s simply because less DNP is being ingested, not because the crystal is somehow special.
msam76
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bbk42mac said:
Not trying to be a jerk, but with that bodyfat I doubt you have a good strict diet and exercise plan in place. If you do, you need to follow it longer before jumping on dnp. It is not a miracle answer, it is DANGEROUS. Please be aware of that and take other measures before doing dnp.
my experience (time in service) on this board has taught me that people are going to d what thye want no matter what you tell them, so I think it would be best to give her the correct information on this.
When I think of DNP, I think of a gun. Not too dangerous unless it's in the wrong hands. You can kill yourself with either one of them, unless you have the proper knowledge - and common sense to know how to use it.
So. Unless Sahdow has already gotten with you via PM - please tell me what you want to know.
When I think of DNP, I think of a gun. Not too dangerous unless it's in the wrong hands. You can kill yourself with either one of them, unless you have the proper knowledge - and common sense to know how to use it.
So. Unless Sahdow has already gotten with you via PM - please tell me what you want to know.
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The Shadow
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the-short-one said:
I am done.
She is gonna do what she wants.
Like attempting to dry it without a fume hood and cap it herself. Really dumb idea.....
Bear in mind that the preparation process, in the absence of a laboratory equipped with a chemical hood, will destroy the immediate area. It gets in the air(meaning the duct work in your houese.....just ask Animal), and fine particles will stain everything. Wear clothes that are dispensable, at least 2 pairs of gloves, and a fume mask. Preferably, do this outside on an extremely calm day, or alternatively, place protective covering everything in sight if it is necessary to perform the encapsulation indoors.
She seems to think that powder is somehow "stronger" because part of the "crystal" version is actually salt.
again.....bad logic.
EVERYTHING concerning the DNP changes WITH the salt including the half life, which we know dictates when and how quickly MAXIMUM blood levels build.
So yes........the following may be true:
400 mg powder DNP (assuming you get ALL the water out) = 400 mg active DNP(less the inpurities)
400 mg crystal DNP= 300 mg active DNP
The ONLY relation that one can draw is that on a mg:mg basis..powder has a higher percentage of active ingredient.
If you think about this in the same way as one would think about cocaine and crack...you begin to get the picture....
Coke is "purer"
Crack is "stronger"
Its simple.
At 30% bodyfat, you should consider a proper diet and cardio plan, and leave the home brew DNP alone. By your earlier comments, I know that you had no idea of DNP's ability to cripple reproduction by fundamentally altering the genetic code.
You seem to know all you will allow yourself to know....so....knock yourself out.
cool thanks
sahdow or shadow?
shadow has sent me two messages but factual answers to dnp not really anything i can use
although i really appreciated his time
ok
my worries are:
how will i know when my electrolytes are depleted if dnp already makes you feel lethargic?
how much water is necessary while on dnp? i am going to down 2000litres with a 200mg capsule, then through the day will replenish with fruit juices and water
but reading i needed gallons sounds insane while on this dose
after 2000 straight, i\'m in and out the bathroom every few minutes, i can\'t do that at work
i read those women back in the 30s never changed their diet let alone take on so much water or near OD with supplements
would it be better to take 100mg spaced instead of all at one time
when should i start taking the t3
can you use a laxative while on dnp
brains blipping
i take it you\'ve done dnp?
are there any tidbits you could share while you were on, like unforeseen things you never thought of but used later or should have incorporated
thanks
xxx
sahdow or shadow?
shadow has sent me two messages but factual answers to dnp not really anything i can use
although i really appreciated his time
ok
my worries are:
how will i know when my electrolytes are depleted if dnp already makes you feel lethargic?
how much water is necessary while on dnp? i am going to down 2000litres with a 200mg capsule, then through the day will replenish with fruit juices and water
but reading i needed gallons sounds insane while on this dose
after 2000 straight, i\'m in and out the bathroom every few minutes, i can\'t do that at work
i read those women back in the 30s never changed their diet let alone take on so much water or near OD with supplements
would it be better to take 100mg spaced instead of all at one time
when should i start taking the t3
can you use a laxative while on dnp
brains blipping
i take it you\'ve done dnp?
are there any tidbits you could share while you were on, like unforeseen things you never thought of but used later or should have incorporated
thanks
xxx
I ran it for a day didn't take benadryl with it and broke out in a crazy rash.
im drying out the dnp using silica granules, it\'s in a sealed container, when ready i\'ll take out the needed amount to cap it, then reseal the container (still with the silica)
i thought you meant eggs lol your gonna rim me over that blip forever, fair enough
it can be dnp with a blueberry muffin, i don\'t even have crystal dnp so am neither for nor against it
i\'ve been on many diets and have lost allot of weight, forgive me for not being a stronger person but when i was approaching my goal i stepped it up a gear or two, cut my calories and GAINED weight
you have no idea (well, maybe you do) how disheartening that can be
thanks for your help, i plan on doing a low dose and keeping alert and safe
i thought you meant eggs lol your gonna rim me over that blip forever, fair enough
it can be dnp with a blueberry muffin, i don\'t even have crystal dnp so am neither for nor against it
i\'ve been on many diets and have lost allot of weight, forgive me for not being a stronger person but when i was approaching my goal i stepped it up a gear or two, cut my calories and GAINED weight
you have no idea (well, maybe you do) how disheartening that can be
thanks for your help, i plan on doing a low dose and keeping alert and safe
T
The Shadow
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bbk42mac said:
So....to recap.....
facts arent usefull
FANFUCKINGTASTIC!!!!
I am sure you can find the info you need in the same location that you copy/pasted from earlier.
bbk42mac said:
I can't type today - so I meant Shadow. lol
Yes, I've taken it - but my BF was at 15-16% and My diet/training were tight. I also spent a couple of months gathering information on it. I learned what Shadow told you in the above post about it - don't fuck around with powder if you don't know what you're doing.
The air you breath is filled with it - it is absorbed through your skin when you touch it. ANYONE else in your home will get exposure to it - if what Shadow has posted is correct.
I would consider myself a serious do-it-yourselfer. I have made AAS at home rather than buying it premade, I have made tren from pellets and powders for other people. I WOULD NOT fuck around with DNP. Please think about what you are doing.
I have to go to the gym right now - so can't answer your questions right away. Except for 1:
DNP will give you loose stools so a laxative would be BAD. If you had done proper research BEFORE you got your hands on this stuff, you would know all the things you are asking in this thread.
Research first - application later. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
I ran it for a day didn\'t take benadryl with it and broke out in a crazy rash.
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i\\\'ve hear of that, that\\\'s why i plan on taking 1 cetirizine tablet per day for the duration of my cycle
please shadow, i\'m not trying to offend you!
i know you\'re probably a very cool guy
all i can do is analyse the info i have, the other guys argument sounded viable, even if it isn\'t it\'s irrelevant
please give me some credit for trying to get help prior to using dnp
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FANFUCKINGTASTIC!!!!
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i\\\'ve hear of that, that\\\'s why i plan on taking 1 cetirizine tablet per day for the duration of my cycle
please shadow, i\'m not trying to offend you!
i know you\'re probably a very cool guy
all i can do is analyse the info i have, the other guys argument sounded viable, even if it isn\'t it\'s irrelevant
please give me some credit for trying to get help prior to using dnp
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FANFUCKINGTASTIC!!!!
Most of us have been there. If you don't make a change in your diet for good your going to gain it back that is pretty much a fact. You have as storng of will as you believe you have if you believe you have none then yes you will have none. You gained weight because you cut your calroies to low and slowed down your metabolism.bbk42mac said:
hi
i read loose stools was a side effect of being electrolyte depleted
if i wasnt i wanted to know if i could take it because after doing the lemonade fast a few times i like to take a laxative at least 3 times a week
i have researched first, now im here hoping to get help prior to using
thanks for your time, enjoy the gym
i read loose stools was a side effect of being electrolyte depleted
if i wasnt i wanted to know if i could take it because after doing the lemonade fast a few times i like to take a laxative at least 3 times a week
i have researched first, now im here hoping to get help prior to using
thanks for your time, enjoy the gym
T
The Shadow
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bbk42mac said:
Go with it then Honey.
Contaminate home as well as expose any loved ones or pets to it as well....but be prepared to throw everything that it comes into contact with away.
Pay attention to how you used the silica granules as well......they will not decontaminate anything more than will a sponge that soaks up water. Are you using loose granules??
I hope not.
T
The Shadow
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All you need to know about DNP
This is what some of you are asking about - Ive used it quite a bit and its great but you need to be informed, as with all AAS. this spells it out pretty well by one of the better experts on the subject IMO. I dont agree with him on every thing, 4 example I think a little t3 is quite usefull during a cycle, but in all its one of the best "manuals" around. CYC
POSTED BY A WELL KNOWN DNP EXPERT
This is an educational article covering different aspects of DNP and is intended only to educate the reader about DNP. This article is far from comprehensive, but it should provide a good background to get the reader started on learning about DNP. If any of this information is unclear please feel free to contact me by email:
In this article I will attempt to cover the following topics regarding DNP:
History
Mechanism of Action
Dose and Cycle Recommendations
Dietary Recommendations
Side effects/ risks
Prevention/ Contraindications
Recommended supplements with DNP
HISTORY:
DNP stands for 2,4-dinitrophenol. This is a chemical that was once used in the early 20th century to ignite dynamite and cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. A few years later demographical statistics showed that employees who worked with DNP everyday tended to lose weight, often rapidly. One fall out from this was a study conducted by Stanford University in 1920 showing that the ingestion of DNP does in fact cause weight loss. This prompted physicians to prescribe DNP to obese patients of that era. DNP was on the market for 2 decades as a weight loss drug and was eventually taken off the market and banned for human consumption by the FDA because there was a report of cataract formation among female users of this drug which turned out to be false. This chemical is still deemed too dangerous by the FDA to allow it to come back to the pharmaceutical marketplace. Over the decades of research on DNP, scientists have never shown it to have the ability to cause cancer or any other mutations despite the fact that it’s a phenol and that most phenolic compounds are carcinogenic. DNP is now only used as a research chemical and as a pesticide in a few states that still approve of its use. It is not illegal to own DNP, but it is illegal to market it for personal consumption.
MECHANISM OF ACTION:
DNP exerts its effects within the cell, more specifically within the membrane of the mitochondria. The advantage of intracellular mechanisms of action such as this is that a tolerance to DNP cannot develop. To make a long story short, DNP makes the process of ATP formation very inefficient. Why is this important? Because ATP is the energy unit needed to drive all our biochemical reactions in our body that is necessary to keep us alive. The cells in our body constantly need energy (ATP) to stay alive. The amount of ATP needed to keep a person alive depends on his/her basal metabolic rate. By making ATP formation inefficient, a person’s basal metabolic rate can increase indefinitely, but for practical uses, basal metabolic rate can safely increase by 30-50% without putting one’s life in danger. It is not unheard of for people to lose up to one pound of pure fat per day while on DNP.
If you’re not familiar with ATP, it’s what the Calories that are stored in carbs, fats, and proteins are eventually turned into. In other words, the energy that is stored in the macromolecules are transferred to the ATP molecule, but DNP disrupts this process. Instead of making ATP from macromolecules in the presence of DNP, the potential energy is just turned into heat. This is very significant because ATP levels in the body will quickly diminish and cells want to replenish that storage by breaking down more fats, carbs, etc. As you can see, a patter quickly develops where ATP levels will constantly be below normal and the body will always be trying to burn more fats, carbs, and proteins to help replenish the ATP levels. This is no different than doing aerobic exercises such as jogging, biking, etc, except while on DNP, the body is doing the aerobic exercise non stop 24 hours a day.
DOSES AND CYCLE RECOMMENDATIONS:
DNP is not a drug for everyone, definitely not the beginner who just wants to lose a couple of pounds to look better with the shirt off… Without proper education on its use, DNP can be deadly.
There are 2 forms of DNP currently on the market, pure crystalline (100% dry) DNP, and powdered DNP (usually 5-10% moisture). The crystalline version is stronger and more effective, but more caution needs to be used while using it. It acts much faster, and the side effects also subside faster as well.
I recommend between 2-6mg/kg-bw per day for crystalline DNP and 4-10mg/kg-bw for powdered DNP. A beginner should always start off at the low end to assess tolerance. Trying this for the first time 2 weeks before a competition can be disastrous. A 220lb man is 100kg exactly. This means that if he is a first time user of crystalline DNP then he should take 200mg per day. I suggest staying with this dose for at least 3 days to keep it safe, then slowly increase the dosage. 400mg/day can be used, but never take it all at once. Always split up the doses as far as possible, so for 400mg/day that would mean taking 1 200mg capsule every 12 hours. Only on rare occasions should someone attempt 600mg/day with the crystalline capsules unless it’s used by a very experienced user and all the vital signs are closely monitored.
Cycle length depends largely on the individual. At first it was thought that a DNP cycle should be limited to 10 days at the most because the thyroids shuts down and t4 to t3 conversion in the liver becomes nil, however, this is not the case. 10 days is a very arbitrary number. A person taking 200mg/day would have almost completely normal thyroid function at day 10 whereas if s/he took 600mg/day, t3 would be non existent after 3 days. While the t3 hormone plays a very large role in determining fat loss, it should not be a big concern while on DNP because the fat burning capabilities of DNP will more than compensate for the suppressed t3 levels. An advantage to suppressed t3 levels is that the body will burn much less muscle while still burning fat on DNP. Normal t3 and thyroid function is restored within a week of stopping DNP.
Ok, so how long should you do it? I suggest playing around with it and just go by how your body feels. It is not a bad idea to just take 2-3mg/kg-bw for 3-4 weeks. This causes less side effects and will have the same overall effect, but it will just take a bit longer. After you get used to 2-3mg/kg-bw, then another option is to up the dose by 1 cap and carrying that out for as long as your body can handle it because fatigue and a host of other side effects will eventually overtake you. If 2 caps/day is still too mild then repeat the above step with 3 caps per day spread out into 8-hour intervals.
Because of some water retention caused by DNP, users typically find that they look their best 4-7 days after finishing their cycle when the water has normalized.
For competitors:
Take the last DNP capsule 8 days prior to the competition date. Carb deplete after 3 days after the last cap. Carb load immediately 2 days prior to competition and stop fluid intake. This should allow for excellent glycogen super compensation within the muscles for a fuller look.
DIETARY RECOMMENDATIONS:
1. Carb deplete for 3 days prior to DNP because DNP will take a good 2-3 days to deplete the body's glycogen stores before it can efficiently burn stored fat.
2. Once on DNP eat an isocaloric diet (33% prot, 33% fat, 33% carbs) and keep the calories at around maintenance level. Restricting carbs will put the body in a state of hypoglycemia and can be dangerous to the health and also the mental well being. DNP also mimics insulin in that it shuttles glucose into the cells in the absence of glucose. This is great for fat burning, but when carb intake is too low the blood glucose can be at dangerously low levels as well. a more experienced user can switch up this ratio a bit. Either way it won't make a huge difference because it's mostly about the total calorie consumption.
This is what I’m proposing to be the optimal DNP diet (for a high dose short cycle(s) and the end of a low dose extended cycle only):
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.
When fatty acids are broken down they need to be fed into an energy cycle for a complete break down so that more can be broken down later. The beginning of this cycle is called the citric acid cycle. Fats enter the citric acid cycle as a 2-carbon molecule called acetate and to start off this cycle it needs to bind to another 2-carbon molecule called oxaloacetate. Without enough oxaloacetate this cycle cannot proceed. With little oxaloacetate this cycle is slowed down, thus fat burning is slowed down. Where does oxaloacetate come from? Several sources, but the main one is from pyruvate, the end product of the first step of glucose (carbohydrate) metabolism. Without enough glucose in the blood, fat burning becomes very inefficient.
This is not to say the more carbs we eat the more pyruvate we can generate, therefore the more fat is burned. We only need adequate levels of pyruvate to supply the citric acid cycle of the necessary starting material for fat to enter, and then it will eventually proceed to be completely oxidized in the electron transport chain.
Don’t worry about eating too many carbs while on DNP because these carbs cannot be stored and are immediately used for fuel to try to replenish cellular ATP. While keeping the calorie level at maintenance level, it would be most beneficial to eat about 55% calories from carbs, 35% protein and 10% fat (mostly unsaturated). It may be optimal for fat burning to raise the carbs a bit more, but the protein should be high enough so that muscle catabolism is kept at a minimum when DNP creates the huge calorie deficit in the body.
The least effective form of dieting while on a DNP cycle is a fat diet, or ketogenic diet, but the high amounts of fat helps to slow gastric emptying, so you feel more satisfied for a longer period of time. This is one reason why I first recommended the isocaloric diet to beginners who may have trouble controlling their appetite while on DNP.
SIDE EFFECTS:
Heat- you will feel very hot while taking this. It is very similar to jogging a slow pace all day long, so be prepared to sweat a little. In some people a lot of sweat is not too uncommon. Body temperature will rise to about 101 degrees and sustain there. This is not too out of the ordinary. This increase in core body temperature causes a vasodilation effect throughout the body to help cool you off. However, evaporative cooling with the aid of vasodilation will not be effective when the surrounding environment does not allow for proper cooling. For example, being out in the summer sun when it’s 90 degrees and high humidity can cause you to rapidly overheat to dangerous levels. Avoid hot environments at all costs. Stay indoors if you choose to use it in the summer and only go outside briefly when it’s absolutely necessary. Dehydration can cause the body to not regulate temperature properly and rapidly overheat as well. Drink 1-3 gallons of water daily depending on DNP dose.
Water retention- this is very closely associated with heat. When the vasodilation occurs due to the rise in body temperature, blood vessels expand, causing an increase in blood volume and subsequent water retention. Also, an increased blood volume leads to decreased pressure, which would lead the body to try to store more sodium and cause even more water retention. All the water retention will subside within a week after stopping the DNP dosage, but often sooner than that. Popular diuretics are not very effective against DNP induced water retention because these diuretics mainly focus on one aspect of diuresis and that is suppression of the anti diuretic hormone (ADH), but the cause of water retention from DNP is independent of ADH. While diuretics will get rid of some naturally stored water, it isn’t getting rid of enough water that would make a competitor presentable on stage and would put the user in jeopardy of death or serious health complications due to potassium depletion.
Lethargy- This is the biggest problem associated with DNP and is somewhat associated with the insomnia that I will cover later. As you have learned DNP depletes the body of ATP and without ATP you have no energy. It literally feels like you’re jogging a marathon all day long without a break. Of course the extent of the lethargy will depend on the dose, but it is not uncommon for people to be almost bed ridden. Walking to the kitchen to get food will be a chore. Even eating the food can become very laborious. This will subside within 24-36 hours of stopping the doses.
Insomnia- sleeping will be very difficult for some people, not because of the familiar central nervous stimulation experienced with ephedrine and caffeine supplementation, but because it gets so damned hot. Many people including myself find it very difficult to sleep when we’re sweating in our beds. The best way to combat this is to sleep with 2 fans from both sides of the bed and the air conditioner cranked up. Obviously if you have a significant other that you sleep with then it would be wise to sleep in separate beds for parts of the cycle.
Shortness of breath/ rapid breathing- this is common when the dose is at the upper limits. The breathing will seem like you’re jogging even while you’re sitting down and doing nothing. It will seem like you can never catch your breath. Doing anything active will make you even more out of breath and this can become dangerous. When breathing becomes irregular, you should avoid doing any aerobic or strenuous activities. This means no working out (not like you’ll have any energy to do so anyway).
Dehydration- a very serious side effect. If hydration levels are not adequate it can predispose the body to severe overheating and possibly death. Water needs to be replenished on the order of 1-3 gallons per day.
Electrolyte depletion- this is caused by excessive water and salt loss through sweating. Drinking water will replace fluids, but not electrolytes. Best way to replenish salts is to drink v8 juice. This can lead to a host of other problems if not remedied including excessive lethargy, low blood pressure, poor cardiac function, nausea, diarrhea…
Nausea- This is a common side effect that afflicts roughly around 30% of the users. There could be several causes to this: dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, low blood pH, and other unknown (by me) mechanisms.
Diarrhea- possibly due to electrolyte imbalance and undissolved DNP that passes onto the large intestine causing osmotic imbalances. If this becomes too problematic the only thing to do is just to decrease the dosage or stop completely.
Headache- largely due to dehydration. In most people, forcing down a liter of fluids will alleviate the headaches.
Dry/ sore throat- I don’t know the cause of this one, but it is pretty common among users and seems to manifest itself the most during sleep and may contribute to the insomnia.
Allergies/ dermatitis- this is relatively rare. I’ve been in contact with nearly 500 people who have used DNP and I would estimate about 30-40 of them have experienced allergic reactions to DNP. The allergies manifest themselves first as phantom itches (itching without any rashes or redness) around the torso in some people. It will later develop into rashes and or hives around the body and possibly spread to the face, neck, lips, and scalp area in severe cases. Any over the counter or prescription allergy medication (anti histamine) will cure the allergies. Also if you’re allergic to DNP it doesn’t mean you can’t use it in the future. Allergies to DNP seem to have a tolerance factor. It first gets worse, then better with successive cycles. So if you are allergic, stop immediately and start again 7-10 days later and repeat until you are no longer allergic to DNP anymore. Allergies are also dose and length dependent.
Yellow vision- This is even more rare than allergies. I’ve only known about 15 people who have experienced this out of all the people I have come in contact with who have used DNP in the past. It seems to be most apparent when you look at a white surface and yellow spots will appear on the white that you see. I’m not sure what exactly causes this, but it doesn’t seem to harm anything and goes away within 1-2 days of stopping the doses.
PREVENTION/ CONTRAINDICATIONS:
1. Never start your first cycle with an optimal dose. Always play it safe and start low.
2. Never use DNP if you’re going to be in a hot environment for an extended period of time.
3. Never take any diuretics while on DNP. This includes excessive alcohol. While mild diuretics like alcohol will make you much more uncomfortable and hotter, a harsh diuretic like lasix will kill you when taken with DNP.
4. If oral temperature rises to 103 then discontinue use until temp is completely down to normal.
5. Do not attempt to work out very intensely. When it’s hard to find the energy to go to work, don’t push yourself thinking you can get a good workout in. Long cardio sessions can be especially harmful for your health. It would also raise cortisol levels through the roof and will be very catabolic to muscle. Don’t sweat the cardio when on DNP because DNP will make you burn fat. Stay away from the treadmill!
6. If allergies arise take some allergy medication and if that isn’t strong enough then stop the doses for at least 10 days before restarting.
7. Watch your electrolytes. Carry a bottle of v8 juice with you. One 8-ounce serving of v8 has 900mg of potassium compared to 35mg of potassium in 8 ounces of Gatorade. Aim for 3000-5000mg of potassium (not all from v8) per day. Fresh meats and vegetables also have a lot of potassium in them. Sodium is very important too, but is usually not hard to get in the diet. Magnesium can be obtained from supplementation.
8. Hydration. I can’t emphasize this enough. Not only will proper hydration levels make you feel better and prevent overheating, but it will also make the cycle more effective at burning fat.
SUPPLEMENTATION:
Antioxidants—one of the most effective will be the fat soluble vitamin E. I recommend 800 to 1000 iu of vitamin E per day of the cycle to combat the host of free radical damage caused by increased fat oxidation.
Glycerol—this can be important to help maintain muscle hydration and prevent catabolism. It comes in liquid and can be bought over the counter. Take 3-4 tablespoons per day.
Potassium citrate—if blood acidity becomes a problem then potassium citrate can help buffer the acid. About 2-3 grams will be very effective, but 1 gram will do the trick as well.
CONCLUSION
DNP is the most effective fat burner and perhaps the most complicated drug in the bodybuilding community and should not be taken to lightly by average dieters striving to lose a couple of pounds. The side effects are serious and numerous, but if used correctly, none of the side effects are permanent. Despite these numerous side effects people still use it because it works when nothing else will. I hope this article sufficiently educated you on DNP. If you choose to use it please do so with caution and use this and other literature as a guide to help you on your way to a new physique.
This is what some of you are asking about - Ive used it quite a bit and its great but you need to be informed, as with all AAS. this spells it out pretty well by one of the better experts on the subject IMO. I dont agree with him on every thing, 4 example I think a little t3 is quite usefull during a cycle, but in all its one of the best "manuals" around. CYC
POSTED BY A WELL KNOWN DNP EXPERT
This is an educational article covering different aspects of DNP and is intended only to educate the reader about DNP. This article is far from comprehensive, but it should provide a good background to get the reader started on learning about DNP. If any of this information is unclear please feel free to contact me by email:
In this article I will attempt to cover the following topics regarding DNP:
History
Mechanism of Action
Dose and Cycle Recommendations
Dietary Recommendations
Side effects/ risks
Prevention/ Contraindications
Recommended supplements with DNP
HISTORY:
DNP stands for 2,4-dinitrophenol. This is a chemical that was once used in the early 20th century to ignite dynamite and cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. A few years later demographical statistics showed that employees who worked with DNP everyday tended to lose weight, often rapidly. One fall out from this was a study conducted by Stanford University in 1920 showing that the ingestion of DNP does in fact cause weight loss. This prompted physicians to prescribe DNP to obese patients of that era. DNP was on the market for 2 decades as a weight loss drug and was eventually taken off the market and banned for human consumption by the FDA because there was a report of cataract formation among female users of this drug which turned out to be false. This chemical is still deemed too dangerous by the FDA to allow it to come back to the pharmaceutical marketplace. Over the decades of research on DNP, scientists have never shown it to have the ability to cause cancer or any other mutations despite the fact that it’s a phenol and that most phenolic compounds are carcinogenic. DNP is now only used as a research chemical and as a pesticide in a few states that still approve of its use. It is not illegal to own DNP, but it is illegal to market it for personal consumption.
MECHANISM OF ACTION:
DNP exerts its effects within the cell, more specifically within the membrane of the mitochondria. The advantage of intracellular mechanisms of action such as this is that a tolerance to DNP cannot develop. To make a long story short, DNP makes the process of ATP formation very inefficient. Why is this important? Because ATP is the energy unit needed to drive all our biochemical reactions in our body that is necessary to keep us alive. The cells in our body constantly need energy (ATP) to stay alive. The amount of ATP needed to keep a person alive depends on his/her basal metabolic rate. By making ATP formation inefficient, a person’s basal metabolic rate can increase indefinitely, but for practical uses, basal metabolic rate can safely increase by 30-50% without putting one’s life in danger. It is not unheard of for people to lose up to one pound of pure fat per day while on DNP.
If you’re not familiar with ATP, it’s what the Calories that are stored in carbs, fats, and proteins are eventually turned into. In other words, the energy that is stored in the macromolecules are transferred to the ATP molecule, but DNP disrupts this process. Instead of making ATP from macromolecules in the presence of DNP, the potential energy is just turned into heat. This is very significant because ATP levels in the body will quickly diminish and cells want to replenish that storage by breaking down more fats, carbs, etc. As you can see, a patter quickly develops where ATP levels will constantly be below normal and the body will always be trying to burn more fats, carbs, and proteins to help replenish the ATP levels. This is no different than doing aerobic exercises such as jogging, biking, etc, except while on DNP, the body is doing the aerobic exercise non stop 24 hours a day.
DOSES AND CYCLE RECOMMENDATIONS:
DNP is not a drug for everyone, definitely not the beginner who just wants to lose a couple of pounds to look better with the shirt off… Without proper education on its use, DNP can be deadly.
There are 2 forms of DNP currently on the market, pure crystalline (100% dry) DNP, and powdered DNP (usually 5-10% moisture). The crystalline version is stronger and more effective, but more caution needs to be used while using it. It acts much faster, and the side effects also subside faster as well.
I recommend between 2-6mg/kg-bw per day for crystalline DNP and 4-10mg/kg-bw for powdered DNP. A beginner should always start off at the low end to assess tolerance. Trying this for the first time 2 weeks before a competition can be disastrous. A 220lb man is 100kg exactly. This means that if he is a first time user of crystalline DNP then he should take 200mg per day. I suggest staying with this dose for at least 3 days to keep it safe, then slowly increase the dosage. 400mg/day can be used, but never take it all at once. Always split up the doses as far as possible, so for 400mg/day that would mean taking 1 200mg capsule every 12 hours. Only on rare occasions should someone attempt 600mg/day with the crystalline capsules unless it’s used by a very experienced user and all the vital signs are closely monitored.
Cycle length depends largely on the individual. At first it was thought that a DNP cycle should be limited to 10 days at the most because the thyroids shuts down and t4 to t3 conversion in the liver becomes nil, however, this is not the case. 10 days is a very arbitrary number. A person taking 200mg/day would have almost completely normal thyroid function at day 10 whereas if s/he took 600mg/day, t3 would be non existent after 3 days. While the t3 hormone plays a very large role in determining fat loss, it should not be a big concern while on DNP because the fat burning capabilities of DNP will more than compensate for the suppressed t3 levels. An advantage to suppressed t3 levels is that the body will burn much less muscle while still burning fat on DNP. Normal t3 and thyroid function is restored within a week of stopping DNP.
Ok, so how long should you do it? I suggest playing around with it and just go by how your body feels. It is not a bad idea to just take 2-3mg/kg-bw for 3-4 weeks. This causes less side effects and will have the same overall effect, but it will just take a bit longer. After you get used to 2-3mg/kg-bw, then another option is to up the dose by 1 cap and carrying that out for as long as your body can handle it because fatigue and a host of other side effects will eventually overtake you. If 2 caps/day is still too mild then repeat the above step with 3 caps per day spread out into 8-hour intervals.
Because of some water retention caused by DNP, users typically find that they look their best 4-7 days after finishing their cycle when the water has normalized.
For competitors:
Take the last DNP capsule 8 days prior to the competition date. Carb deplete after 3 days after the last cap. Carb load immediately 2 days prior to competition and stop fluid intake. This should allow for excellent glycogen super compensation within the muscles for a fuller look.
DIETARY RECOMMENDATIONS:
1. Carb deplete for 3 days prior to DNP because DNP will take a good 2-3 days to deplete the body's glycogen stores before it can efficiently burn stored fat.
2. Once on DNP eat an isocaloric diet (33% prot, 33% fat, 33% carbs) and keep the calories at around maintenance level. Restricting carbs will put the body in a state of hypoglycemia and can be dangerous to the health and also the mental well being. DNP also mimics insulin in that it shuttles glucose into the cells in the absence of glucose. This is great for fat burning, but when carb intake is too low the blood glucose can be at dangerously low levels as well. a more experienced user can switch up this ratio a bit. Either way it won't make a huge difference because it's mostly about the total calorie consumption.
This is what I’m proposing to be the optimal DNP diet (for a high dose short cycle(s) and the end of a low dose extended cycle only):
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.
When fatty acids are broken down they need to be fed into an energy cycle for a complete break down so that more can be broken down later. The beginning of this cycle is called the citric acid cycle. Fats enter the citric acid cycle as a 2-carbon molecule called acetate and to start off this cycle it needs to bind to another 2-carbon molecule called oxaloacetate. Without enough oxaloacetate this cycle cannot proceed. With little oxaloacetate this cycle is slowed down, thus fat burning is slowed down. Where does oxaloacetate come from? Several sources, but the main one is from pyruvate, the end product of the first step of glucose (carbohydrate) metabolism. Without enough glucose in the blood, fat burning becomes very inefficient.
This is not to say the more carbs we eat the more pyruvate we can generate, therefore the more fat is burned. We only need adequate levels of pyruvate to supply the citric acid cycle of the necessary starting material for fat to enter, and then it will eventually proceed to be completely oxidized in the electron transport chain.
Don’t worry about eating too many carbs while on DNP because these carbs cannot be stored and are immediately used for fuel to try to replenish cellular ATP. While keeping the calorie level at maintenance level, it would be most beneficial to eat about 55% calories from carbs, 35% protein and 10% fat (mostly unsaturated). It may be optimal for fat burning to raise the carbs a bit more, but the protein should be high enough so that muscle catabolism is kept at a minimum when DNP creates the huge calorie deficit in the body.
The least effective form of dieting while on a DNP cycle is a fat diet, or ketogenic diet, but the high amounts of fat helps to slow gastric emptying, so you feel more satisfied for a longer period of time. This is one reason why I first recommended the isocaloric diet to beginners who may have trouble controlling their appetite while on DNP.
SIDE EFFECTS:
Heat- you will feel very hot while taking this. It is very similar to jogging a slow pace all day long, so be prepared to sweat a little. In some people a lot of sweat is not too uncommon. Body temperature will rise to about 101 degrees and sustain there. This is not too out of the ordinary. This increase in core body temperature causes a vasodilation effect throughout the body to help cool you off. However, evaporative cooling with the aid of vasodilation will not be effective when the surrounding environment does not allow for proper cooling. For example, being out in the summer sun when it’s 90 degrees and high humidity can cause you to rapidly overheat to dangerous levels. Avoid hot environments at all costs. Stay indoors if you choose to use it in the summer and only go outside briefly when it’s absolutely necessary. Dehydration can cause the body to not regulate temperature properly and rapidly overheat as well. Drink 1-3 gallons of water daily depending on DNP dose.
Water retention- this is very closely associated with heat. When the vasodilation occurs due to the rise in body temperature, blood vessels expand, causing an increase in blood volume and subsequent water retention. Also, an increased blood volume leads to decreased pressure, which would lead the body to try to store more sodium and cause even more water retention. All the water retention will subside within a week after stopping the DNP dosage, but often sooner than that. Popular diuretics are not very effective against DNP induced water retention because these diuretics mainly focus on one aspect of diuresis and that is suppression of the anti diuretic hormone (ADH), but the cause of water retention from DNP is independent of ADH. While diuretics will get rid of some naturally stored water, it isn’t getting rid of enough water that would make a competitor presentable on stage and would put the user in jeopardy of death or serious health complications due to potassium depletion.
Lethargy- This is the biggest problem associated with DNP and is somewhat associated with the insomnia that I will cover later. As you have learned DNP depletes the body of ATP and without ATP you have no energy. It literally feels like you’re jogging a marathon all day long without a break. Of course the extent of the lethargy will depend on the dose, but it is not uncommon for people to be almost bed ridden. Walking to the kitchen to get food will be a chore. Even eating the food can become very laborious. This will subside within 24-36 hours of stopping the doses.
Insomnia- sleeping will be very difficult for some people, not because of the familiar central nervous stimulation experienced with ephedrine and caffeine supplementation, but because it gets so damned hot. Many people including myself find it very difficult to sleep when we’re sweating in our beds. The best way to combat this is to sleep with 2 fans from both sides of the bed and the air conditioner cranked up. Obviously if you have a significant other that you sleep with then it would be wise to sleep in separate beds for parts of the cycle.
Shortness of breath/ rapid breathing- this is common when the dose is at the upper limits. The breathing will seem like you’re jogging even while you’re sitting down and doing nothing. It will seem like you can never catch your breath. Doing anything active will make you even more out of breath and this can become dangerous. When breathing becomes irregular, you should avoid doing any aerobic or strenuous activities. This means no working out (not like you’ll have any energy to do so anyway).
Dehydration- a very serious side effect. If hydration levels are not adequate it can predispose the body to severe overheating and possibly death. Water needs to be replenished on the order of 1-3 gallons per day.
Electrolyte depletion- this is caused by excessive water and salt loss through sweating. Drinking water will replace fluids, but not electrolytes. Best way to replenish salts is to drink v8 juice. This can lead to a host of other problems if not remedied including excessive lethargy, low blood pressure, poor cardiac function, nausea, diarrhea…
Nausea- This is a common side effect that afflicts roughly around 30% of the users. There could be several causes to this: dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, low blood pH, and other unknown (by me) mechanisms.
Diarrhea- possibly due to electrolyte imbalance and undissolved DNP that passes onto the large intestine causing osmotic imbalances. If this becomes too problematic the only thing to do is just to decrease the dosage or stop completely.
Headache- largely due to dehydration. In most people, forcing down a liter of fluids will alleviate the headaches.
Dry/ sore throat- I don’t know the cause of this one, but it is pretty common among users and seems to manifest itself the most during sleep and may contribute to the insomnia.
Allergies/ dermatitis- this is relatively rare. I’ve been in contact with nearly 500 people who have used DNP and I would estimate about 30-40 of them have experienced allergic reactions to DNP. The allergies manifest themselves first as phantom itches (itching without any rashes or redness) around the torso in some people. It will later develop into rashes and or hives around the body and possibly spread to the face, neck, lips, and scalp area in severe cases. Any over the counter or prescription allergy medication (anti histamine) will cure the allergies. Also if you’re allergic to DNP it doesn’t mean you can’t use it in the future. Allergies to DNP seem to have a tolerance factor. It first gets worse, then better with successive cycles. So if you are allergic, stop immediately and start again 7-10 days later and repeat until you are no longer allergic to DNP anymore. Allergies are also dose and length dependent.
Yellow vision- This is even more rare than allergies. I’ve only known about 15 people who have experienced this out of all the people I have come in contact with who have used DNP in the past. It seems to be most apparent when you look at a white surface and yellow spots will appear on the white that you see. I’m not sure what exactly causes this, but it doesn’t seem to harm anything and goes away within 1-2 days of stopping the doses.
PREVENTION/ CONTRAINDICATIONS:
1. Never start your first cycle with an optimal dose. Always play it safe and start low.
2. Never use DNP if you’re going to be in a hot environment for an extended period of time.
3. Never take any diuretics while on DNP. This includes excessive alcohol. While mild diuretics like alcohol will make you much more uncomfortable and hotter, a harsh diuretic like lasix will kill you when taken with DNP.
4. If oral temperature rises to 103 then discontinue use until temp is completely down to normal.
5. Do not attempt to work out very intensely. When it’s hard to find the energy to go to work, don’t push yourself thinking you can get a good workout in. Long cardio sessions can be especially harmful for your health. It would also raise cortisol levels through the roof and will be very catabolic to muscle. Don’t sweat the cardio when on DNP because DNP will make you burn fat. Stay away from the treadmill!
6. If allergies arise take some allergy medication and if that isn’t strong enough then stop the doses for at least 10 days before restarting.
7. Watch your electrolytes. Carry a bottle of v8 juice with you. One 8-ounce serving of v8 has 900mg of potassium compared to 35mg of potassium in 8 ounces of Gatorade. Aim for 3000-5000mg of potassium (not all from v8) per day. Fresh meats and vegetables also have a lot of potassium in them. Sodium is very important too, but is usually not hard to get in the diet. Magnesium can be obtained from supplementation.
8. Hydration. I can’t emphasize this enough. Not only will proper hydration levels make you feel better and prevent overheating, but it will also make the cycle more effective at burning fat.
SUPPLEMENTATION:
Antioxidants—one of the most effective will be the fat soluble vitamin E. I recommend 800 to 1000 iu of vitamin E per day of the cycle to combat the host of free radical damage caused by increased fat oxidation.
Glycerol—this can be important to help maintain muscle hydration and prevent catabolism. It comes in liquid and can be bought over the counter. Take 3-4 tablespoons per day.
Potassium citrate—if blood acidity becomes a problem then potassium citrate can help buffer the acid. About 2-3 grams will be very effective, but 1 gram will do the trick as well.
CONCLUSION
DNP is the most effective fat burner and perhaps the most complicated drug in the bodybuilding community and should not be taken to lightly by average dieters striving to lose a couple of pounds. The side effects are serious and numerous, but if used correctly, none of the side effects are permanent. Despite these numerous side effects people still use it because it works when nothing else will. I hope this article sufficiently educated you on DNP. If you choose to use it please do so with caution and use this and other literature as a guide to help you on your way to a new physique.
For the love of GOD - don't do the DNP
It won't get you where you want to be - there are so many better alternatives.
Aside from the DNP - when was the last time you had a full physical or at the bare minimun a doctors visit with full lab work ups? You really should know the current physical state of your body before starting or making any drastic changes in regard to how you care for and fuel your body.
It won't get you where you want to be - there are so many better alternatives.
Aside from the DNP - when was the last time you had a full physical or at the bare minimun a doctors visit with full lab work ups? You really should know the current physical state of your body before starting or making any drastic changes in regard to how you care for and fuel your body.
bbk42mac said:
so...it sounds like you have a laxative addiction. You might not think so - but it's not normal to take laxatives 3 x a week. Seriously. It's also not good for you.
Shadow's post is excellent - so much good info there. Also what QT mentioned - if your diet isn't tight - you'll gain all the weight back. DNP raises your metabolism by 30 - 50%. This is why the fat comes off so fast. Guess what? Your metabolism goes back to normal after you stop taking it, or even slows down below normal. That means you have to drastically cut your calories when you stop taking the DNP just to maintain that loss. That alone should tell you why it's not a good solution to permanent fat loss.
I think DNP has it's uses - but not in the realm of regular diet/fitness, simply because it's a drug that causes rebound. Like Clen and T3.
Shadow's post is excellent - so much good info there. Also what QT mentioned - if your diet isn't tight - you'll gain all the weight back. DNP raises your metabolism by 30 - 50%. This is why the fat comes off so fast. Guess what? Your metabolism goes back to normal after you stop taking it, or even slows down below normal. That means you have to drastically cut your calories when you stop taking the DNP just to maintain that loss. That alone should tell you why it's not a good solution to permanent fat loss.
I think DNP has it's uses - but not in the realm of regular diet/fitness, simply because it's a drug that causes rebound. Like Clen and T3.
well after the fatloss boost ill knuckledown with a personal trainer, but seriously, at this point in time i need to get happy about myself or will probably revert
i know all you guys are buff to the core and look at me as a lightweight good for nothing, but im trying and will hopefully oneday be happy with myself
its been a long way but i\'m still continuing the journey and striving to better myself
anyway thanks for all the help guys, i\'ll make a blog of this if it doesn\'t get locked again
i know all you guys are buff to the core and look at me as a lightweight good for nothing, but im trying and will hopefully oneday be happy with myself
its been a long way but i\'m still continuing the journey and striving to better myself
anyway thanks for all the help guys, i\'ll make a blog of this if it doesn\'t get locked again
bbk42mac said:
girl - we don't look at you as a "lightweight good for nothing". What frustrates everyone here is that you ask for advice - we give it - and you don't like it. You're bound and determined to use this stuff no matter what anyone says - so why ask for our advice? Everything you need to know about DNP could have been found by researching online - WITHOUT asking questions in this forum. The first time I took DNP, I didn't ask anyone here about it because I found out all I needed to know by spending the time online searching.
Shadow was kind enough to give you a REALLY good read above. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE be careful...and don't take any laxatives while you're using it. I would advise against taking laxatives the way you're taking them, period. It's a form of eating disorder - and something else you might want to do some research on.
People become addicted to laxatives and can't go without them after a while. Is that the way you want to be?
You call us all "hardcore" fitness people. If you admire us and want to be like us - then do what we do. Get your diet in line, do cardio, and train your ass off. This is what we all do, and it's why we look the way we do.
No one here ate whatever they wanted, took DNP, and looked fabulous. I don't know anyone here who takes laxatives 3 x a week to look fabulous or "cleanse", either.
i pretty much felt ready, but you never can be too sure
dnp talk is kinda hush, i thought there might be some hidden yet vital info
i\'m still not sure why i bummed out with the silica but am about to cap
5g dnp to 5g cornstarch (50 tabs via cap m quik)
then i\'ll be labeling my supplements which have just finished arriving from vitacost and puritan
dnp talk is kinda hush, i thought there might be some hidden yet vital info
i\'m still not sure why i bummed out with the silica but am about to cap
5g dnp to 5g cornstarch (50 tabs via cap m quik)
then i\'ll be labeling my supplements which have just finished arriving from vitacost and puritan
i didn\'t trust buying caps readymade
i read people not getting the effects they were after then double even tripling the dose just to get a bit hot
id rather know exactly what i\'m playing (playing probably not the best word lol) with
haha
1kg dnp should last me 48 lifetimes!
i have only 5 leads for dno, 2 don\'t deliver to the uk despite being dirty cheap and from extremely legitimate sources (companies), or two places selling capped dnp which looked like their whole site was based on copy/paste
i decided to buy from a chemical manufacturer
besides, i read the person who used to supply to most people on boards is now in prison
i read people not getting the effects they were after then double even tripling the dose just to get a bit hot
id rather know exactly what i\'m playing (playing probably not the best word lol) with
haha
1kg dnp should last me 48 lifetimes!
i have only 5 leads for dno, 2 don\'t deliver to the uk despite being dirty cheap and from extremely legitimate sources (companies), or two places selling capped dnp which looked like their whole site was based on copy/paste
i decided to buy from a chemical manufacturer
besides, i read the person who used to supply to most people on boards is now in prison
bbk42mac said:
At 5'4 and 118 you can't be very large - you just lack muscle mass.
You have to find peace in your mind and seek out the help of a good trainer (which can be hard to find) - if you choose to wait til you are happy with yourself first you may never reach your goals.
It's not like that - you have face life and your goals even when you feel poorly about yourself because that how you make progress in life.
If we only lived life when we felt good we might not ever venture out of bed everyday.
When you see someone with what appears to be the perfect body package never assume they feel as good about themselves as they make look. Truth is goals changes - you get from point A to B and all you can think about is point C and not how well you accomplished B.
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bbk42mac said:
One would wonder how you are planning on separating the loose silica FROM the dnp powder for starters.
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Oh yeah....a couple of other thoughts:
1 - how are you going to cap it?
2 - Where are you getting a Mettler or siilar digital scale
3 - what are going to use to mix WITH the dnp to cap it
4 - you mentioned loose silica.......how exactly do you plan on separating the silica FROM the dnp powder
5 - did you actually SIGN for the raw dnp product
1 - how are you going to cap it?
2 - Where are you getting a Mettler or siilar digital scale
3 - what are going to use to mix WITH the dnp to cap it
4 - you mentioned loose silica.......how exactly do you plan on separating the silica FROM the dnp powder
5 - did you actually SIGN for the raw dnp product
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6 - knowing that dnp will rip through your system causing loose stools in addition to being very dehydrating.....why would you EVER consider ADDING a laxative...that will compound the issue
7 - how do you plan on the DNP not comtaminating everything in your house?? Once it gets into the ventilaton system - you are fucked.
7 - how do you plan on the DNP not comtaminating everything in your house?? Once it gets into the ventilaton system - you are fucked.
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Take laxatives and trying to homebrew DNP when you are only 118 at 5'4"?bbk42mac said:
Are you binging with the laxatives, hon?
I have been anorexic before, and this sounds like you may be on the verge of an eating disorder? I didn't read the entire thread, though.
I hope you stay safe and healthy and learn to love yourself and treat your body like its the only one you have. It is, you know.
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Varga said:I have nothing against you, but I deleted my posts so others can't see them anymore. I only had them up for you to read and if you follow what I wrote you have a better rate of success. PM me if you have any questions
Too many kids reading this stuff
LOL@kids.......
Riiigghhhtttt........
Hehe, wasn't takling about some of the ppl here who gave her advice, if that's what you meant -I think the advice is spot on, however is not going to deter her from doing what she has in mind.
Honestly, if I were her I would do a nice primo cycle- build some muscle while loosing fat, but that's just me
Honestly, if I were her I would do a nice primo cycle- build some muscle while loosing fat, but that's just me
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Just to step back from this whole drug-forced fat loss venture.
Your body reflects your lifestyle - it can only do what it can with the resources and stimuli that you give it. So with the stats you have, you are already telling me that you are small but not much muscle. This doesn't necessarily make you "fat" - I can show you how 21% bf looks on someone with a 'normal' amount of muscle and how it looks on me after 26 yrs of lifting. It looks completely different. So its really important to not get mindfucked by the numbers.
Now lets look at all the ways you are trying to manipulate your body weight "down". Already you aren't "heavy" -- consider people who are your height and 350 lb. That's "heavy". Your bigger issue is probably more about lack of muscle than too much bodyfat. That's the mindfuck that can come from looking at your bodyfat %. Its a ratio of fat to muscle - it says nothign specifically and absolutely about how "fat" you are. You can get the same number from too much fat or not enough muscle or a combination of them. You need to build muscle. And the cool thing is that when you build muscle, you burn fat. It isn't intuitively apparent but that's how it works. Its not one or the other. They work together to make up "how you look".
Now w/ all the chemicals. As I said before - your body is designed to run efficiently. But it can only run as efficiently as you treat it. If you have a high-performance Italian racing car but you leave it sitting outside in a snowbank, dont' bother to change out the filter & the oil, throw mud in the gas tank and all sorts of things like that - sure its going to run like crap. Now, if you then decide you want to put in a nitrous booster to "make it go fast" you are completely side-stepping the part about letting the core engine run efficiently like it should and putting an external stress on it to force it to do what you want.
That analogy went a bit off. Let me get back...
You are willing to put shit in your body that is similar to what people of an anorexic mindset do to force certain functions in their bodies. You are willing to go cap your own DNP, a substance that Shadow has implied is not a "recreational passtime" and has a history of being very brutal on your body, and yet you want to go thru all that before you spend your time & money on a trainer?
Let's focus here. A change in diet & just getting some core training in there will literally cost you nothing and do no damage to your body or try to force it to do anything other than what it is designed to do. Despite what people want to think - there is no quickie way to force your body to do anythign if you dont' already have the basic foundation in place, working & consistent. I get that you want to get past where you are now, but its your current lifestyle that got you to where you are now. Change that first and your body will respond. Simple as that. No drugs. No wild external stresses on your body. No abuse of your body. Just eat clean & get exercise. You can optimize how you eat and set up a consistent basic training program and just suck it up & do it.
No one was "born" w/ a perfect body. We all have complaints and challenges about ourselves. So don't even assume to compare yourself w/ anyone else. I've been lifting for 26 yrs, I've been on this planet for nearly 42 yrs, I've been in competition mindset for 7 yrs. I know how to manipulate my diet. I know how to train. But guess what? I still have 30 lb weight swings. I still have to fight my way down to a lower bodyfat. I still have to drag my ass out of bed to do cardio. I still spend 20 min every night makign food for the next day. I still don't go out partying. I still don't drink. I still get mood swings. I still freak out and have to binge eat once in a while. I still am not satisfied w/ my body.
But guess what? I'm ok with that and I know that its all about livign the lifestyle and that if I don't I can't expect my body to be what i want it to be.
Make sure your goals are reasonable and make sure the path to your goals is reasonable.
Your body reflects your lifestyle - it can only do what it can with the resources and stimuli that you give it. So with the stats you have, you are already telling me that you are small but not much muscle. This doesn't necessarily make you "fat" - I can show you how 21% bf looks on someone with a 'normal' amount of muscle and how it looks on me after 26 yrs of lifting. It looks completely different. So its really important to not get mindfucked by the numbers.
Now lets look at all the ways you are trying to manipulate your body weight "down". Already you aren't "heavy" -- consider people who are your height and 350 lb. That's "heavy". Your bigger issue is probably more about lack of muscle than too much bodyfat. That's the mindfuck that can come from looking at your bodyfat %. Its a ratio of fat to muscle - it says nothign specifically and absolutely about how "fat" you are. You can get the same number from too much fat or not enough muscle or a combination of them. You need to build muscle. And the cool thing is that when you build muscle, you burn fat. It isn't intuitively apparent but that's how it works. Its not one or the other. They work together to make up "how you look".
Now w/ all the chemicals. As I said before - your body is designed to run efficiently. But it can only run as efficiently as you treat it. If you have a high-performance Italian racing car but you leave it sitting outside in a snowbank, dont' bother to change out the filter & the oil, throw mud in the gas tank and all sorts of things like that - sure its going to run like crap. Now, if you then decide you want to put in a nitrous booster to "make it go fast" you are completely side-stepping the part about letting the core engine run efficiently like it should and putting an external stress on it to force it to do what you want.
That analogy went a bit off. Let me get back...
You are willing to put shit in your body that is similar to what people of an anorexic mindset do to force certain functions in their bodies. You are willing to go cap your own DNP, a substance that Shadow has implied is not a "recreational passtime" and has a history of being very brutal on your body, and yet you want to go thru all that before you spend your time & money on a trainer?
Let's focus here. A change in diet & just getting some core training in there will literally cost you nothing and do no damage to your body or try to force it to do anything other than what it is designed to do. Despite what people want to think - there is no quickie way to force your body to do anythign if you dont' already have the basic foundation in place, working & consistent. I get that you want to get past where you are now, but its your current lifestyle that got you to where you are now. Change that first and your body will respond. Simple as that. No drugs. No wild external stresses on your body. No abuse of your body. Just eat clean & get exercise. You can optimize how you eat and set up a consistent basic training program and just suck it up & do it.
No one was "born" w/ a perfect body. We all have complaints and challenges about ourselves. So don't even assume to compare yourself w/ anyone else. I've been lifting for 26 yrs, I've been on this planet for nearly 42 yrs, I've been in competition mindset for 7 yrs. I know how to manipulate my diet. I know how to train. But guess what? I still have 30 lb weight swings. I still have to fight my way down to a lower bodyfat. I still have to drag my ass out of bed to do cardio. I still spend 20 min every night makign food for the next day. I still don't go out partying. I still don't drink. I still get mood swings. I still freak out and have to binge eat once in a while. I still am not satisfied w/ my body.
But guess what? I'm ok with that and I know that its all about livign the lifestyle and that if I don't I can't expect my body to be what i want it to be.
Make sure your goals are reasonable and make sure the path to your goals is reasonable.
H
heatherrae
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Sassy that was a perfect and astute analogy. I really hope she learns to love the process and to be happy with her body and herself.
Sassy69
New member
Call it a last ditch effort, but also just a ok let's step back here & look what's going on. We all go thru this in one form or another when looking for "ways to get fit". After you try all the fad diets, the starvation, the 10 hrs of cardio / day, all the diet pills and all the other shit, you simply cannot force your body to do something it isn't designed for. It will put up w/ it for a while, but eventually it will tell you to go fuck yourself w/ all your drugs & extreme behaviors and just shut down - hold onto everything, send you into a burn-out mode and you end up worse off than if you'd just paid attention and cleaned up your diet, ate what you should be eating to support a healthy body & get out and give your body some physical stimuli to react to.
Period.
Period.
musclemom said:
(I don't think it's pounds. I find it hard to believe she's 118lb at 5'4" with 30% bf. )
Everyone here is giving you the same advice - voicing the same worries. That should tell you something.
Thank fucking god for this thread. I was...for a couple of days...looking into DNP after first hearing of it this week. I struggled for years with bulimia and only recently, in the past several months, have I been able to eat normally without purging for extended periods of time. I've been working my ass off and shaping my body into one I can take pride in, and love. It has been an arduous journey and one I will have to continue to make for a long time...maybe forever. I still fight my obsessive compulsive nature on an almost daily basis and there are times that everything just exhausts me. Working to be well, inside and out, takes nearly everything I have - and I hear about this drug that almost literally melts the fat off your body? The crazies started coming back and I - at 5'5" 110 lbs - started looking into it.
Then I see this...and it's like seeing my disorder in someone elses words...and I came to my senses and realized how completely fucking crazy I was. The second I saw her stats...and then reinforced by her laxy habit and "fasts"...I knew this girl was on the road to self destruction.
BBK....PLEASE LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. You may not have an eating disorder YET (though some doctors might say you are EDNOS), you are at the very least at the top of a very slippery slope. I know exactly how it feels to just desperately want to feel good about yourself. But honey, DNP won't get you there. Even if it works. If you keep on this path you will soon find that it is never enough. There will always be more flaws. Always be more things to fix or criticize in your body. It seems like the answer but it's really the last step before you start sliding and once you start sliding you turn into...me. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Get help.
Then I see this...and it's like seeing my disorder in someone elses words...and I came to my senses and realized how completely fucking crazy I was. The second I saw her stats...and then reinforced by her laxy habit and "fasts"...I knew this girl was on the road to self destruction.
BBK....PLEASE LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. You may not have an eating disorder YET (though some doctors might say you are EDNOS), you are at the very least at the top of a very slippery slope. I know exactly how it feels to just desperately want to feel good about yourself. But honey, DNP won't get you there. Even if it works. If you keep on this path you will soon find that it is never enough. There will always be more flaws. Always be more things to fix or criticize in your body. It seems like the answer but it's really the last step before you start sliding and once you start sliding you turn into...me. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Get help.
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Ilk
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nefertiti said:
True...
This thread frightens me....
I can't even explain....
It really depends on how they tested her body fat if it was those hand held thingys it could give a reading like that when she may in fact be more like 23-25%the-short-one said:
No, it doesn't, but bear with me on this Nef, seriously, there's a method to my madness:nefertiti said:
1. If our little friend is actually 118 lbs. (and it's a legitimate question, because she gave her height in inches) there is no way that she has 30% body fat. Which means she is operating on VERY wrong information/assumptions. She has major issues with her own perception of herself because she's already UNDERweight (skinny fat).
2. If she is 118 kg. then she weighs about 260, substantially more than 30% body fat (I know this because I'm 5'9", about 30% BF, well muscled, and nowhere near 260). Again, BKK is operating on WRONG information. Hell dropping the first half of that extra weight would be a breeze with nothing more than proper diet and regular exercise, which she ain't doing. No, she's already fasting with "lemonade" she's using laxatives, and now she's heard about DNP
Frankly, at this point, NOTHING we tell her is going to get through, she thinks she found the "magic pill." The only thing that might make her LISTEN is to realize her basic facts are wrong and if she fucks this up she's paying with her life. She will cook herself from the inside out.
A 5'4" woman who weighs 118 pounds, cannot possibly have 30% body fat, it's medically, because approximately 95 pounds of her body is composed of critical lean body mass (like blood, bones, organs).
A 5'4" woman who weighs 260 pounds cannot possibly have 30% body fat, it's gotta be a lot more than that.
BKK is wrong either way. Like I said, if she's wrong about something as simple as HER OWN BODY FAT, what other facts is she wrong about? Obviously she's doubting herself, or she wouldn't have posted on this board to begin with.
BKK is playing with fire. But telling her not to take DNP won't change her mind.
But maybe if I can point out to her the reasons that she's clearly too fucking STUPID to be screwing with shit as dangerous as DNP she MIGHT hear me.
If that's brutal, I'm sorry, seriously.
An intelligent, informed adult playing with fire is one thing. A person who is clearly uninformed playing with fire, who doesn't have the ability to understand the basic rules of safety, and refuses to listen to sound advice, that's something entirely different.
first i\'ll fill in on yesterday
capped my dnp
first batch 5g to 5g was a waste of time, binned it
next attempt 5g to 20g, filled 40 caps
no facemask or gloves, went in hardcore. assumed 5g of dnp would be a cakewalk, it wasn\'t
yellow-stained hands, yellow on my face, snot came out yellow
yellow fr3ak basically
sexy!
it was allover my clothes (scooping out 5g dnp and not the silica GRANULES/pellets/balls was fun
understatement)
so got naked thinking (as before on drying it out, got some on my hands but it washed off quick) i\'d jump in the shower
it ended up taking ages my plan failed
dnp on my arms, boobs, tummy!
the stuff burns a bit
anyway, i don\'t even know what percentage these caps are, i sealed up the tub again and don\'t plan on going back in, ever
made 120 pills with the 5/20 ratio
my math tells me they\'re about 80-90mg per tablet
will take one for a few days, then two then will settle with three
marked my vits so i know when i should take what
i planned on starting today, but the fumes murdered my brain, have had a headache, although the whole ordeal was pretty stressful, and it was friday the 13th so maybe mind game overkill
ok, lets see what u guys are saying
capped my dnp
first batch 5g to 5g was a waste of time, binned it
next attempt 5g to 20g, filled 40 caps
no facemask or gloves, went in hardcore. assumed 5g of dnp would be a cakewalk, it wasn\'t
yellow-stained hands, yellow on my face, snot came out yellow
yellow fr3ak basically
sexy!
it was allover my clothes (scooping out 5g dnp and not the silica GRANULES/pellets/balls was fun
understatement)
so got naked thinking (as before on drying it out, got some on my hands but it washed off quick) i\'d jump in the shower
it ended up taking ages my plan failed
dnp on my arms, boobs, tummy!
the stuff burns a bit
anyway, i don\'t even know what percentage these caps are, i sealed up the tub again and don\'t plan on going back in, ever
made 120 pills with the 5/20 ratio
my math tells me they\'re about 80-90mg per tablet
will take one for a few days, then two then will settle with three
marked my vits so i know when i should take what
i planned on starting today, but the fumes murdered my brain, have had a headache, although the whole ordeal was pretty stressful, and it was friday the 13th so maybe mind game overkill
ok, lets see what u guys are saying
bbk42mac said:
x 100
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jenscats5
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bbk42mac said:
Erm, NOPE!! Even tho I'm currently training for a competition - I certainly DO NOT look like even the girls in the magazines......and the only reason I look like I do is cuz I get up at 5:30am 5 days a week to do cardio THEN go to work for 8 hours THEN go BACK to the gym to lift and I watch my diet very carefully.......
I do NOT take any form of steroids as I compete in a 100% tested organization......I didn't even know what this stuff was till I read this thread and all I have to say is good luck - try not to screw yourself up too badly....
J
jenscats5
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bbk42mac said:
NIIIIIICE!!! Sounds like a crack den or meth lab.....
velvett
sound advice, i really appreciate your thoughts, but it\'s been long, i\'ve been very strict with myself for what seems like forever
i do lack muscle, trying to gain any seems to diminish my earlier weightloss
i know i\'ve gotta build up muscle, but in my mind the heavier the scales tell me i am, the lower my self esteem goes
i\'ve been focused on losing weight, gaining (despite it being muscle) seems like a setback to me
i feed off the scales, any loss further strengthens my determination, even slight gains depresses me and i can\'t put as much effort into doing what i should if i feel like shite
i know b is fantastic, a great achievement, but i don\'t want to become complacent, i look nowhere near i\'d hoped to be so i must stay focussed, there\'ll be time to ponder later, right now i need keep running cos i aint done yet, by a long-stretch
the shadow
lol, with great difficulty!
that was the major drawback i hadn\'t foreseen
let me explain the tub
it\'s a 10litre stainless steel pot which i placed about wrapped in clingfilm, then foil then sealed off with celotape then placed in 2 heavy duty rubble refuse sacks and then sealed the lot with more celotape then covered with a blanket lol
while trying to get the 5g, i made a slit in the top, thinking the smaller the escape route, the better
of course the working enviroment meant i needed to get up close and personal, and due to 3kg of silica being placed over the 1kg of dnp, i had to roll it on it\'s side..
needless to say dust had a party
should\'ve brought the pre packeted stuff indeed
i make my own beauty cream so have many sized measuring utensils, in particular the 5g sized measuring spoon
i brought a cap m quik and 1000 vegetable capsules
didn\'t buy a scale, didn\'t think i\'d need it
didn\'t sign for it, it came via my chemical contact manufacturing guy, he knows i\'m not a business so sends me my stuff by speedpost, not using his regular carrier
laxative = i\'ve been eating one meal a day (small) and limiting fluids, i\'ve now upped my water intake but, my system won\'t be used to the dnp diet, i foresaw constipation and wanted to avoid that
i read you only get loose stools if you\'re electrolyte depleted or have some imbalance going on
(wow, lol.. i\'m being interrogated haha)
i made it in our spare (storage) room and had 4 of those water purifier units going, window (at the time) wasn\'t open
aside from decorating myself, the room looks fine
i could be a criminal, you\'d never know what went down in there
plus, someone said to throw the cap m quik away cos it\'d be toast, mine never even looked yellow (no pores i suspect) it now looks like new
i mixed the dnp with cornstarch
heatherrae
i don\'t have anorexia, but to lose weight i have to be hungry all the time. never made myself sick, don\'t gorge on food (lol, now eyes are rolling, i mean when and why i was fat)
Sassy69
allot of people fast, some drink nothing but water for over 40 days, i couldn\'t handle the saltwater flush, just drank lots of juice and took a laxative (as you\'re meant to) tea at night
musclemom
118 pounds
Varga
lol, i was logged in but was at that time capping the dnp
please pm me the info, i haven\'t read it
Sassy69
haha lol
i have a tendency to tangent too
i hear what you\'re saying
and it\'s good advice, but there are instances each day people should do the right thing but don\'t
i admit, dieting has worn me out, i feel lasy and miserable, i don\'t do drugs, don\'t enjoy my food anymore, what have i got left
i just wanna get there [points to the image of skinny fit me - in my mind lol] then stay there (with guidance) not have this current achievement being the pinnacle before i fall off the wagon
Sassy69
re: last ditch effort
well, i\'ve kinda figured i\'m not getting anywhere fast this way, dnp will be my key to success
after dropping the weight and feeling better, i\'ll knuckledown and get the training plus diet support i need and also stop watching the scales so much
dnp is my pick me up, like drinking a lucozade so the triathlete can complete the marathon stretch, if that makes sense
the-short-one
lol, i have a constant belly pouch, i could\'ve sucked it in and lied but why bother
i\'m not toned up, everything is soft and my body acts like a sponge
truthfully it\'s easy for me to gain weight, pig out for a fews days and i\'ll be a stone up then itll be killer tae-bo sessions and a snack as my main meal to drop it again
nefertiti
thanks for the advise, but i\'m unhappy only because the effort is so taxing, if i\'d jumped into the ultimate fatloss program and been consistent i\'d probably not be here now, but my body must be different, it laughs in the face of ordinary and normal methods, i had to go extreme to give it a wake-up call
years of bad eating and being a couch potatoe, plus with everyone in my family being on the chunky side it may well be a genetic predisposition
or at least i like to believe i need work 10x harder than anybody else because i\'m not physically meant to be under a certain weight, as i am now
wow, page 3 done.. hopefully there\'s only one post on page 4! lol
just kidding, i feel humbled that so many strangers care
hugs to everybuddy
xxx
sound advice, i really appreciate your thoughts, but it\'s been long, i\'ve been very strict with myself for what seems like forever
i do lack muscle, trying to gain any seems to diminish my earlier weightloss
i know i\'ve gotta build up muscle, but in my mind the heavier the scales tell me i am, the lower my self esteem goes
i\'ve been focused on losing weight, gaining (despite it being muscle) seems like a setback to me
i feed off the scales, any loss further strengthens my determination, even slight gains depresses me and i can\'t put as much effort into doing what i should if i feel like shite
i know b is fantastic, a great achievement, but i don\'t want to become complacent, i look nowhere near i\'d hoped to be so i must stay focussed, there\'ll be time to ponder later, right now i need keep running cos i aint done yet, by a long-stretch
the shadow
lol, with great difficulty!
that was the major drawback i hadn\'t foreseen
let me explain the tub
it\'s a 10litre stainless steel pot which i placed about wrapped in clingfilm, then foil then sealed off with celotape then placed in 2 heavy duty rubble refuse sacks and then sealed the lot with more celotape then covered with a blanket lol
while trying to get the 5g, i made a slit in the top, thinking the smaller the escape route, the better
of course the working enviroment meant i needed to get up close and personal, and due to 3kg of silica being placed over the 1kg of dnp, i had to roll it on it\'s side..
needless to say dust had a party
should\'ve brought the pre packeted stuff indeed
i make my own beauty cream so have many sized measuring utensils, in particular the 5g sized measuring spoon
i brought a cap m quik and 1000 vegetable capsules
didn\'t buy a scale, didn\'t think i\'d need it
didn\'t sign for it, it came via my chemical contact manufacturing guy, he knows i\'m not a business so sends me my stuff by speedpost, not using his regular carrier
laxative = i\'ve been eating one meal a day (small) and limiting fluids, i\'ve now upped my water intake but, my system won\'t be used to the dnp diet, i foresaw constipation and wanted to avoid that
i read you only get loose stools if you\'re electrolyte depleted or have some imbalance going on
(wow, lol.. i\'m being interrogated haha)
i made it in our spare (storage) room and had 4 of those water purifier units going, window (at the time) wasn\'t open
aside from decorating myself, the room looks fine
i could be a criminal, you\'d never know what went down in there
plus, someone said to throw the cap m quik away cos it\'d be toast, mine never even looked yellow (no pores i suspect) it now looks like new
i mixed the dnp with cornstarch
heatherrae
i don\'t have anorexia, but to lose weight i have to be hungry all the time. never made myself sick, don\'t gorge on food (lol, now eyes are rolling, i mean when and why i was fat)
Sassy69
allot of people fast, some drink nothing but water for over 40 days, i couldn\'t handle the saltwater flush, just drank lots of juice and took a laxative (as you\'re meant to) tea at night
musclemom
118 pounds
Varga
lol, i was logged in but was at that time capping the dnp
please pm me the info, i haven\'t read it
Sassy69
haha lol
i have a tendency to tangent too
i hear what you\'re saying
and it\'s good advice, but there are instances each day people should do the right thing but don\'t
i admit, dieting has worn me out, i feel lasy and miserable, i don\'t do drugs, don\'t enjoy my food anymore, what have i got left
i just wanna get there [points to the image of skinny fit me - in my mind lol] then stay there (with guidance) not have this current achievement being the pinnacle before i fall off the wagon
Sassy69
re: last ditch effort
well, i\'ve kinda figured i\'m not getting anywhere fast this way, dnp will be my key to success
after dropping the weight and feeling better, i\'ll knuckledown and get the training plus diet support i need and also stop watching the scales so much
dnp is my pick me up, like drinking a lucozade so the triathlete can complete the marathon stretch, if that makes sense
the-short-one
lol, i have a constant belly pouch, i could\'ve sucked it in and lied but why bother
i\'m not toned up, everything is soft and my body acts like a sponge
truthfully it\'s easy for me to gain weight, pig out for a fews days and i\'ll be a stone up then itll be killer tae-bo sessions and a snack as my main meal to drop it again
nefertiti
thanks for the advise, but i\'m unhappy only because the effort is so taxing, if i\'d jumped into the ultimate fatloss program and been consistent i\'d probably not be here now, but my body must be different, it laughs in the face of ordinary and normal methods, i had to go extreme to give it a wake-up call
years of bad eating and being a couch potatoe, plus with everyone in my family being on the chunky side it may well be a genetic predisposition
or at least i like to believe i need work 10x harder than anybody else because i\'m not physically meant to be under a certain weight, as i am now
wow, page 3 done.. hopefully there\'s only one post on page 4! lol
just kidding, i feel humbled that so many strangers care
hugs to everybuddy
xxx
musclemom
i erm, got the info from here:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/bodyfatcalc.html
[runs away]
jenscats5
i screwed myself up getting as fat as i did, this is yet another effort at retribution
i erm, got the info from here:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/bodyfatcalc.html
[runs away]
jenscats5
i screwed myself up getting as fat as i did, this is yet another effort at retribution
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You should see a Dr. after reading your posts there is no doubt in my mind you have an eating disorder seek treatment before you kill yourself.
J
jenscats5
Guest
bbk42mac said:
I was fat as a kid too.......hey I was fat when I was 26!! 170lbs at 5'4" tall!! I was busting out of a size 16.....
But your "weight" comment is not realistic.....you're talking about the scale weight which means nothing.....I'm currently 140lbs and a VERY loose size 10 pants - well they are actually falling off me.....so scale weight is a number ONLY - don't let it define you as a person.
H
heatherrae
Guest
Hey,
I won't shit you and tell you that I know ANYTHING about DNP because I'm a drug free gal whe it comes to diet/fitness.
However, I do have a bachelor's degree in chemistry and I can tell you this. When I was in chemistry classes we made simple things sometimes such as aspirin. We had state of the art equipment, pure reagents, hoods, drying ovens, etc. STILL, we were vehemently warned NEVER to ingest anything that we made. With all due respect, you have NO IDEA how incorrect you can be in your reactions or what sort of weird things you can create. Taking shit you are mixing up in your bathroom, without proper knowledge of chemistry or equipment, especially something that can be as toxic as DNP is analogous to putting a loaded revolver to your head and firing.
You are going to end up hurting yourself over something silly such as being a bit out of shape. I haven't figured out if you meant 118 pounds or what. ??? Regardless, being that reckless with your health over a body issue is sad.
Eating one meal a day and limiting yourself on water isn't healthy. You have probably slowed up your metabolism. I know how counter intuitive it may seem, but please go up to the stickies and read the shadow plan. Give it 6 weeks and if you still want to do DNP come back and ask again.
Seriously. Please just trust the girls like Sassy, musclemom, jenscat, bunny etc. Have you looked at these ladies galleries? I can guarantee you that they are NOT GOING HUNGRY. You don't have to starve to lose weight. I feel for you, because I used to do that to myself. You don't have to.
Just try the plan as laid out in the sticky. It will work way better than DNP. I PROMISE.
I won't shit you and tell you that I know ANYTHING about DNP because I'm a drug free gal whe it comes to diet/fitness.
However, I do have a bachelor's degree in chemistry and I can tell you this. When I was in chemistry classes we made simple things sometimes such as aspirin. We had state of the art equipment, pure reagents, hoods, drying ovens, etc. STILL, we were vehemently warned NEVER to ingest anything that we made. With all due respect, you have NO IDEA how incorrect you can be in your reactions or what sort of weird things you can create. Taking shit you are mixing up in your bathroom, without proper knowledge of chemistry or equipment, especially something that can be as toxic as DNP is analogous to putting a loaded revolver to your head and firing.
You are going to end up hurting yourself over something silly such as being a bit out of shape. I haven't figured out if you meant 118 pounds or what. ??? Regardless, being that reckless with your health over a body issue is sad.
Eating one meal a day and limiting yourself on water isn't healthy. You have probably slowed up your metabolism. I know how counter intuitive it may seem, but please go up to the stickies and read the shadow plan. Give it 6 weeks and if you still want to do DNP come back and ask again.
Seriously. Please just trust the girls like Sassy, musclemom, jenscat, bunny etc. Have you looked at these ladies galleries? I can guarantee you that they are NOT GOING HUNGRY. You don't have to starve to lose weight. I feel for you, because I used to do that to myself. You don't have to.
Just try the plan as laid out in the sticky. It will work way better than DNP. I PROMISE.
I KNEW IT!
BBK, 118 lbs., at 5'4"
You cannot go by waist measurements to get even a rough estimate of body fat, not even close.
... let me tell you something sugar, okay, I'm gonna try to stay calm ...
Now you do not know me. But have no reason to shit you. I know NOTHING about DNP and will not address that. However, your bodyfat cannot POSSIBLY be 30%, that is utterly impossible. At 118 pounds, that would mean you MUST be carrying 35 pounds of fat, which leaves you with 83 pounds of lean body mass which MUST include (for you to be upright and sucking oxygen) ALL of your organs, your bones, your muscles, your tendons, ligaments, skin, etc. It is a medical impossibility.
1. Your skeleton comprises 20% of your overall mass, your skeleton ALONE weighs 24 pounds.
2. Your skin by itself weighs about 8 pounds (8 to 10 for the average person, and girls have thinner skin)
3. Your blood is about 7% of your weight, another 8 pounds.
4. Your frigging BRAIN weighs about 3 of those pounds. Now start using it:
5. NOW, ADD THE NUMBERS UP remember, you're 118 lbs., 30% fat, so you MUST have 83 lbs of lean mass, RIGHT?
24 + 8 + 8 + 3 = 43 pounds of ESSENTIAL STUFF and we haven't even GOTTEN to the rest of the other bodily organs, muscle, tendons, ligaments, necessary bodily water, and the basic amount of visceral fat required to maintain life.
You cannot be 30% fat, it is impossible.
Currently you are at the EXTREME low end of acceptable weight for your height.
TRY MY calculators:
http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/lbm
You are, if anything, underweight. You most certainly do not need to lose weight. You may be over fat, but it is impossible for you to be in any shape, form or fashion, 30% bodyfat.
You do not need to lose more weight. You need to learn to eat properly, you need to exercise and you probably need professional help.
What you have succeeded in doing is giving yourself an eating disorder. I did it myself when I was 16. You need to stop what you're doing. You're being STUPID.
Wake up before you kill yourself.
BBK, 118 lbs., at 5'4"
You cannot go by waist measurements to get even a rough estimate of body fat, not even close.
... let me tell you something sugar, okay, I'm gonna try to stay calm ...
Now you do not know me. But have no reason to shit you. I know NOTHING about DNP and will not address that. However, your bodyfat cannot POSSIBLY be 30%, that is utterly impossible. At 118 pounds, that would mean you MUST be carrying 35 pounds of fat, which leaves you with 83 pounds of lean body mass which MUST include (for you to be upright and sucking oxygen) ALL of your organs, your bones, your muscles, your tendons, ligaments, skin, etc. It is a medical impossibility.
1. Your skeleton comprises 20% of your overall mass, your skeleton ALONE weighs 24 pounds.
2. Your skin by itself weighs about 8 pounds (8 to 10 for the average person, and girls have thinner skin)
3. Your blood is about 7% of your weight, another 8 pounds.
4. Your frigging BRAIN weighs about 3 of those pounds. Now start using it:
5. NOW, ADD THE NUMBERS UP remember, you're 118 lbs., 30% fat, so you MUST have 83 lbs of lean mass, RIGHT?
24 + 8 + 8 + 3 = 43 pounds of ESSENTIAL STUFF and we haven't even GOTTEN to the rest of the other bodily organs, muscle, tendons, ligaments, necessary bodily water, and the basic amount of visceral fat required to maintain life.
You cannot be 30% fat, it is impossible.
Currently you are at the EXTREME low end of acceptable weight for your height.
TRY MY calculators:
http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/lbm
You are, if anything, underweight. You most certainly do not need to lose weight. You may be over fat, but it is impossible for you to be in any shape, form or fashion, 30% bodyfat.
You do not need to lose more weight. You need to learn to eat properly, you need to exercise and you probably need professional help.
What you have succeeded in doing is giving yourself an eating disorder. I did it myself when I was 16. You need to stop what you're doing. You're being STUPID.
Wake up before you kill yourself.
With over a decade of severe eating disorders under my belt I will admit that I have done some crazy and harmful things to myself in order to lose weight. But this post HORRIFIED me.
You can’t "guesstimate" with this stuff.
You didn’t even sound concerned when you described being covered in a highly toxic chemical that was BURNING your skin.
Either you do not understand how dangerous DNP is, or you hate yourself so much that you don’t care.
Please don’t take those pills.
You can’t "guesstimate" with this stuff.
You didn’t even sound concerned when you described being covered in a highly toxic chemical that was BURNING your skin.
Either you do not understand how dangerous DNP is, or you hate yourself so much that you don’t care.
Please don’t take those pills.
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heatherrae
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"retribution" ?????bbk42mac said:
you are punishing yourself?
You have an eating disorder!
Sassy69
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bbk42mac said:
Are you shitting me? If I read this correctly you are starving yourself and now you want to bomb your system w/ DNP? Please clarify this before I go ape shit on what a stupid combination that is if what it appears to say is correct.
Sassy69
allot of people fast, some drink nothing but water for over 40 days, i couldn\'t handle the saltwater flush, just drank lots of juice and took a laxative (as you\'re meant to) tea at night
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Some drink nothing but water for 40 days? What does this accomplish? Are you concerned ONLY about this fucking number on the scale? What about your health for God's sake? Don't you think a HEALTHY body needs a little more than WATER to run on?
Seriously - you can do all this extreme shit to get a stupidly low number on the scale or some starved down version of what you think you have to be before you can be "happy" and I guarantee that as soon as you stop the extreme shit (which btw your body will not put up w/ regardless of what YOU want to do -it will simply tell u to fuck off and it shut itself down) you will rebound like you've never seen in your life. You won't have anything left to run with to "build back w/ up". You'll spend the next 6 months trying to recover your health and then your weight wont' be your biggest issue.
Oh wow. I really need to stay off this thread. First I think you should be spending your time focusing on being happy w/ yourself. If you let your perception of your body dictate your self-image - you are self-fucking already. You will never be happy because your body will never be perfect enough for whatever it is that you think you have to be before you can be happy.
As I said - the only way you can achieve a goal and stay there for more than a day before you rebound like a mofo is to condition your body down. Provide a lifestyle that is maintainable long term. That is the simple and basic truth.
Good luck and I certainly hope you see a doctor and get a full physical.
No, you read it right. What you read is the twisted logic of an anorexic, Sassy.Sassy69 said:
She said it herself in another post, almost textbook:
BBK has officially reached the point where she no longer can see what she really looks like. She will either wake up and get a grip on things OR she's gonna end up like Karen Carpenter. Whether she does it to herself over the course of years, or whether the DNP does it to her is a moot point.bbk42mac said:
She is an anorexic and all anorexics have the goal of looking like what they want to feel, e.g., nothing.
Sassy69
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I'm just curious bbk - what are you going to do if the DNP doesn't get you what you want? What's Plan B?
Personally I'd suggest you get a copy of Bill Philips' Body for Life book and at least TRY to understand how nutrition and your body work instead of ignoring millions of years of human evolution that make it the amazing system it is and let your skewed image of yourself drive you to killing your body.
At least read the book and get an understanding of how your body works.
Personally I'd suggest you get a copy of Bill Philips' Body for Life book and at least TRY to understand how nutrition and your body work instead of ignoring millions of years of human evolution that make it the amazing system it is and let your skewed image of yourself drive you to killing your body.
At least read the book and get an understanding of how your body works.
whoops ok
i can see my errors through your words, i\'ll can the dnp idea for now, will give myself two months of eating right and training, will chuck out the scales
but
if it doesn\'t work, me and dnp will have business to discuss
it\'s ok mods, you can lock this thread, i\'ll tangent on this idea for now
maybe i\'ll never need dnp, we\'ll see
thanks all
xxx
i can see my errors through your words, i\'ll can the dnp idea for now, will give myself two months of eating right and training, will chuck out the scales
but
if it doesn\'t work, me and dnp will have business to discuss
it\'s ok mods, you can lock this thread, i\'ll tangent on this idea for now
maybe i\'ll never need dnp, we\'ll see
thanks all
xxx
musclemom said:No, it doesn't, but bear with me on this Nef, seriously, there's a method to my madness:
1. If our little friend is actually 118 lbs. (and it's a legitimate question, because she gave her height in inches) there is no way that she has 30% body fat. Which means she is operating on VERY wrong information/assumptions. She has major issues with her own perception of herself because she's already UNDERweight (skinny fat).
2. If she is 118 kg. then she weighs about 260, substantially more than 30% body fat (I know this because I'm 5'9", about 30% BF, well muscled, and nowhere near 260). Again, BKK is operating on WRONG information. Hell dropping the first half of that extra weight would be a breeze with nothing more than proper diet and regular exercise, which she ain't doing. No, she's already fasting with "lemonade" she's using laxatives, and now she's heard about DNP
Frankly, at this point, NOTHING we tell her is going to get through, she thinks she found the "magic pill." The only thing that might make her LISTEN is to realize her basic facts are wrong and if she fucks this up she's paying with her life. She will cook herself from the inside out.
A 5'4" woman who weighs 118 pounds, cannot possibly have 30% body fat, it's medically, because approximately 95 pounds of her body is composed of critical lean body mass (like blood, bones, organs).
A 5'4" woman who weighs 260 pounds cannot possibly have 30% body fat, it's gotta be a lot more than that.
BKK is wrong either way. Like I said, if she's wrong about something as simple as HER OWN BODY FAT, what other facts is she wrong about? Obviously she's doubting herself, or she wouldn't have posted on this board to begin with.
BKK is playing with fire. But telling her not to take DNP won't change her mind.
But maybe if I can point out to her the reasons that she's clearly too fucking STUPID to be screwing with shit as dangerous as DNP she MIGHT hear me.
If that's brutal, I'm sorry, seriously.
An intelligent, informed adult playing with fire is one thing. A person who is clearly uninformed playing with fire, who doesn't have the ability to understand the basic rules of safety, and refuses to listen to sound advice, that's something entirely different.
Just wanted to clarify that my statement wasn't really directed at anyone. I'm just frustrated and helpless reading this.
DNP will not get her what she wants, even if she loses ten pounds on it.
bbk...IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
You listen to me and you listen HARD girl.
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.
This is coming from someone who let her weight get down to 85 pounds at one point. You focus on that scale, if you let that scale tell you what your self worth is,
YOU WILL BE DEAD BEFORE YOU ARE HAPPY
You still listening? DEAD
It will NEVER be enough. NEVER. I KNOW. I deal with this, and fight it every day, and if there's one thing about people who have had or have eating disorders, we can sniff out our kind from a mile away. We know the lies we tell others and the lies we tell ourselves.
Get help now or you won't see 2008.
bbk...IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
You listen to me and you listen HARD girl.
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.
This is coming from someone who let her weight get down to 85 pounds at one point. You focus on that scale, if you let that scale tell you what your self worth is,
YOU WILL BE DEAD BEFORE YOU ARE HAPPY
You still listening? DEAD
It will NEVER be enough. NEVER. I KNOW. I deal with this, and fight it every day, and if there's one thing about people who have had or have eating disorders, we can sniff out our kind from a mile away. We know the lies we tell others and the lies we tell ourselves.
Get help now or you won't see 2008.
Sassy69
New member
bbk42mac said:
OK so if I'm understanding this correctly the DNP is now Plan D or E and diet & training are for now? If that's correct, phew! Thank God.
If you want help w/ the diet & training, THAT'S something constructive we can help & support you with. If you are actually eating 1 small meal / day, then you will probably need to ease into "eating right" just because an immediate jump to LOTS more food than that will just be too much to deal with. The training, also ease into because you need the food to fuel a good workout. But you also need to not overtrain and stress your body beyond what it can handle. Frankly I'd say give yourself 3 weeks to ease into a complete healthy diet. Don't freak out over how you think you look -- the more important question is how do you FEEL? Your body should be absorbing food like crazy as you eat it and just start to feel really good to be getting what it needs. Also make sure you are sleeping well - that also is a huge part of "health" & "fitness" - recovery time.
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heatherrae
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Good. You have just made a decision for a HEALTHY and BEAUTIFUL body instead of a downhill path.bbk42mac said:
Congratulate yourself. You took the smart way.
J
jenscats5
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Sassy69 said:
Sass - due to the radical change from 1 meal a day to several - should she be concerned about possible bloating?? Something to be aware of & not freak out over it until her body normalizes as it's temporary!!
Sassy69
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jenscats5 said:
Just like any change you make to your body that you want to be part of your 'lifestyle' you need to ease into it. I have no expertise in eating disorders or extreme diets so I have no idea how long it takes to ease your body from being used to running on 1 meal per day (which puts it in total survival mode) to a normal and sufficient amount of food, and further making the transition in such a way that the person eating it can actually get all that food down. Food has a way of not being "objective" - if you aren't comfortable eating something because you aren't used to it or a big increase - that alone can make you not want to eat it. Then if you have a period of discomfort after you eat that you have to sit thru, its literally a 24/7 effort just to eat.
To that end I'd say lay out a schedule of adding in more good foods a meal at a time -- I suppose spaced out over the day so there isn't an immediate onslaught of trying to shovel it down & digest and feeling sick. Already the body is used to processing the small amount of food and then waiting another 24 hrs for the next small meal. If the whole "OMG I can't eat that much food" thing is going on or "OMG I'm gaining weight again" starts to mess w/ your mind, then slow down a bit. If you experience some bloat then just live w/ it - that's why you want to take it slow adding in foods so you dont' start throwing in laxatives, diuretics and all sorts of other shit to deal w/ the bloat.
I'd keep some digestive enzymes around maybe, but focus on the moving forward and learning how your body processes stuff - what does sit well / what doesn't. If you get bloated, you know the bloat will pass so just allow it to. LET your body do what it does - i.e. metabolize food and utilize the nutrients. You can't not let it do what it has to do in order to get to where you are tryign to get to. Might take a few weeks to get to something more comfortable but it will be towards a good thing instead of constantly fighting or trying to sidestep those natural processes - you simply can't get past them w/o letting them run their course. But be patient and adjust as you go.
You might consider getting a nutritionist who is well-versed in eating disorders to get you to where you need to be as well.
takniteasy
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I just read this thread from start to finish. I am stunned, sick to my stomach and now have an understanding of someone with a true eating disorder.
I sincerely hope she is okay and follows through with lifestyle changes.
I sincerely hope she is okay and follows through with lifestyle changes.
T
The Shadow
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bbk42mac said:
I will make you a deal.
Forget the dnp and send me a pm.
I will lay out a plan for you for 4 weeks....training, diet and cardio...and we wil see how much you lose in that time frame.
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You must spread some Karma around before giving it to The Shadow again.The Shadow said:
Best idea yet.
bbk,bbk42mac said:
I cannot tell you how important it is for you to take Shadow up on his offer. He is going to save your life, along with the other ladies on here with their suggestions.
You know, you DO have strangers that care about you, REAL feelings from people you have NEVER met... do you know how rare that is? And to others it seems fake, phony, like a joke.. we are NOT about that here. And while it is odd, it is the truth. We dont want you to hurt yourself, we want to help you and see you succeed.
Please, PLEASE listen to these women, Shadow and give this a shot.
All the best to you.
holy hell. this thread is an emotional roller coaster. for me, anyway. lolol. I am extrememly happy with your decision - and I have no doubt in my mind that Shadow will help you reach your goals.
The Shadow said:
Sounds solid Shadow, can;t stress enough how important a proper diet is to loosing weight. From what I;ve seen over the years the main stumbling block for many dieters is the lack of food they consume, which our bodies senses as starvation and slows the methabolic rate down to a pulp. A restricted caloric intake will work for a month or so then it shuts down.
Sassy69
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Varga said:
This situation has nothing to do w/ losing weight and alot to do w/ building some muscle and a healthier body. The bodyfat measure is a ratio of bodyfat to lean muscle mass and ED people can further mindfuck themselves by doing the calculations and thinking because the number might be higher than they want (i.e. because its not that they have lots of fat, its that they have no muscle) they have to "lose more bodyfat".
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smbdybldr
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intrested article.. dangerous stuff
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