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Want to try Clen. Need all the info i can get.

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HoneyBee82

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Hey! my names Melissa, i'm 22 and i'm yearning to get the perfect body!.. i never really cared, untill my pants got too tight. Now i'm on a mission. I'm 5'1 130 lbs 29% body fat ( and climbing LOL ) i work out 5 days a week do about 3 hours of cardio and weight training. I've gained alot of my weight b/c of muscle, but the problem is i have no definition. i just look thick! and i hate it. imean i'm not fat by any means, and am not a crazy dieter. i wear size 2-4 and am very petite. it would jsut be nice to be able to see the effort i put in at the gym. i've been getting my protein shakes in, and staying away from excess carbs like Bread and Soda. I'm Also a month in taking CLA because i've heard of it's good fat reducing effects.
I never thought about a steroid like supplementation untill a friend of mine recently suggested clenbuterol. I'm a little scared but i'm also very curious about it's effects, and how it will affect me. and if it's worth taking the risks etc.
i'll take as much information as i can get, b/c i like to be completely informed about something before i try it. ALso, i'm on birth controll, and wonder if anything i'm doing will effect it's strength, or vise versa...
thanks guys! i appreciate your time..
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Mel
 
First step, BEFORE trying an illegal substance....

SPECIFICALLY what is your diet like? Give us a day's worth of meals - include time, amounts, measurements, preparation, condiments, exact food.

Also, specifially, what do you do training wise? When, how long, weight, intensity, etc.

FINALLY, how long have you been working out? How long have you been on this eating plan?

I think CLA has been shown to be useless, but am not sure. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Clen is NOT a steroid, not even close. It will have NO effect on BCP.

Welcome, glad to have you!
 
Daisy_Girl said:
First step, BEFORE trying an illegal substance....

SPECIFICALLY what is your diet like? Give us a day's worth of meals - include time, amounts, measurements, preparation, condiments, exact food.

Also, specifially, what do you do training wise? When, how long, weight, intensity, etc.

FINALLY, how long have you been working out? How long have you been on this eating plan?

I think CLA has been shown to be useless, but am not sure. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Clen is NOT a steroid, not even close. It will have NO effect on BCP.

Welcome, glad to have you!
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Diet

Am - 2-3 gg whites litle pepper on them. Thermodynamex shake w/ soy protein added.
Lunch - chix breast and green beans- water
snacks- in between sugar free jello/ or detour bar.
Dinner Isopure protein shake/ steak/ or buger no bun.
desert or later snack.. jello again. or 2gm carb yogurt.
'm drinking no juice or soda either. mainly water.
I've been on this diet for 2 weeks now ( tried it last year for a month and gave up. )

work out...
monday tue thur 45 min cardio
Wed upper body weights... bi's tri's shoulders back etc
Fri lower body weights.... glutes, calves, hams... etc Abs..
doing moderate weight.. 10-15 lbs for 10-15 reps about 1 and a half hours.. each..
My boyfriend keeps telling me if i want to drop the fat all i need to do is MORE CARDIO and stop weight training. is this true?

Glad it will have no effect on BCP.

thanks for responding.
Mel

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HoneyBee82 said:
Also.. if it's not a steriod what exactly is it? i'm in the dark about all of this.
You're the best !

mel
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Clen's mainly used is in live stock to get rid of fat well maintaining the muscle. It has been tested in humans as a respitory aid but never approved by the FDA cause the half life is so long. Basically it is a thermogenic I don't know the exact science behind it perhaps some that does can chime in.
IMO you shouldn't try clen tell you clean up your diet a bit more and get your bf % in the high teens. Use a good ESA stack they work wonders when you have a clean diet and solid training.
You should be eating a small meal in between your breakfast and lunch. To be honest the jello is completely empty calories and basicaly useless. As a snack try cottage cheese with some veggies, or in the morning cottage cheese with some rolled oats and some copped almonds mixed in. Try not to have the detour bars to often as a snack maybe once a week or so. They are tastey but way over processed best to get the majority of your food from natural sources.
As for your training I would change your cardio to 20 minute HIT training 3 times a week. Your boyfriend is wrong about the cardio I know from experience I used to do 60 minutes of cardio 5 times a week. I never notices any diffrence in my body shape until I started lifting heavy. Your weight training you are lifting way too light an not often enough change your split so your weight training 3-4 times a week. Make sure your lifting heavy on the compound movements. (i.e. bench, squat, dead lift) Check out the sticky on the training board for the diffrent methods. IMO 5x5 is the best for starting out, I found great gains with it when I first got back into lifting.
Welcome to the board. :)
 
I waited until my body fat was under 20% before I started a Clen cycle. Tried it once last year when my body fat was higher and was dissapointed with results. Now that I've gotten under 20%, the Clen is making a difference.

This board has A LOT of info on Clenbuterol. Take your time and read through the posts. Take into consideration the side effects and how they may effect you and your day-to-day activities.
 
QT has some good advice there.

Lift HEAVY. Don't OD on cardio. HIIT is a better idea for now. It preserves muscle, and keeps your metaboism revved.

DIET is where results come from. DIET DIET DIET. You can do cardio all day long but if your diet is not up to par, you will fail.

This is an example of a workout routine I often recommend for people:

Mon - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Tues - LIFT Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
Weds - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Thurs - LIFT Back, Biceps
Fri - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Sat - LIFT Legs, 30 min moderate cardio
Sun - total rest day (do nothing)

Weights - do ~3 sets each exercise, reps are 8-10 each. Adjust weight so on the last rep, you are very close to failure. Youcan push it up with good form, but it takes everything in you. 5x5 is popular, but I do not know a lot about it, check the Training Board for more info.

HIIT - 5 min warm up, 20 min intervals, 5 min cooldown. Intervals will alternate between work and rest sessions. For example, 1 min work / 1 min recovery, 30 sec work / 1 min recovery, etc.... Work intervals should be gut-busting, chest-heaving, I-think-I-could-die time period. Recovery should be light enough for you to catch your breath again,to prepare for next work interval. If you can do more after 20 min, you didn't go intense enough. If you can do more cardio after HIIT, you didn't do it intense enough. If you don't feel completely wiped out after HIIT, you didn't do it intense enough.

Diet -
Seems like you aren't eating enough. There is a reason you couldn't do more than a month last year. Dieting is hard, it is not fun, but it should be doable. If you cannot maintain the diet, what good is it doing you? You will never get results from something you cannot maintain. I have my sample diet posted all over this board, if you do a search for "Daisy_Girl" and "cutting diet" I bet you get the info.

Don't even think about the Clen. It is pointless. As T-S-O pointed out, until you get to a lower BF%, it is pretty useless. I would focus on maintaining the diet and keeping your training consistent and intense BEFORE adding substances (both legal and illegal). Fat burners at this point won't do a lot.
 
 
Thanks alot for all the information. i'm going to check oput your diet information now!! going to the gym after work. going to try the HIIT wish me luck ! ug.
 
Daisy_Girl said:
QT has some good advice there.

Lift HEAVY. Don't OD on cardio. HIIT is a better idea for now. It preserves muscle, and keeps your metaboism revved.

DIET is where results come from. DIET DIET DIET. You can do cardio all day long but if your diet is not up to par, you will fail.

This is an example of a workout routine I often recommend for people:

Mon - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Tues - LIFT Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
Weds - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Thurs - LIFT Back, Biceps
Fri - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Sat - LIFT Legs, 30 min moderate cardio
Sun - total rest day (do nothing)

Weights - do ~3 sets each exercise, reps are 8-10 each. Adjust weight so on the last rep, you are very close to failure. Youcan push it up with good form, but it takes everything in you. 5x5 is popular, but I do not know a lot about it, check the Training Board for more info.

HIIT - 5 min warm up, 20 min intervals, 5 min cooldown. Intervals will alternate between work and rest sessions. For example, 1 min work / 1 min recovery, 30 sec work / 1 min recovery, etc.... Work intervals should be gut-busting, chest-heaving, I-think-I-could-die time period. Recovery should be light enough for you to catch your breath again,to prepare for next work interval. If you can do more after 20 min, you didn't go intense enough. If you can do more cardio after HIIT, you didn't do it intense enough. If you don't feel completely wiped out after HIIT, you didn't do it intense enough.

Diet -
Seems like you aren't eating enough. There is a reason you couldn't do more than a month last year. Dieting is hard, it is not fun, but it should be doable. If you cannot maintain the diet, what good is it doing you? You will never get results from something you cannot maintain. I have my sample diet posted all over this board, if you do a search for "Daisy_Girl" and "cutting diet" I bet you get the info.

Don't even think about the Clen. It is pointless. As T-S-O pointed out, until you get to a lower BF%, it is pretty useless. I would focus on maintaining the diet and keeping your training consistent and intense BEFORE adding substances (both legal and illegal). Fat burners at this point won't do a lot.
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Curious...why do you say Clen is pointless? My husband has me taking it and swears it's a gift from the Gods. Is he full of shit?
 
Sweet_Bitch said:
Curious...why do you say Clen is pointless? My husband has me taking it and swears it's a gift from the Gods. Is he full of shit?
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If your diet and training is not rock solid chemicals are not your answer cleaning up your diet and training is. There is no magic pill clen etc are there for that extra boost.
 
Sweet_Bitch said:
Curious...why do you say Clen is pointless? My husband has me taking it and swears it's a gift from the Gods. Is he full of shit?
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What QT said is right - it is only useful when a diet and training is set. Diet and training need to be strong and well-planned....anything else is only iceing. Supplements such as Clen shouldn't even be considered unless diet is clean and they have well-developed training program.

I said it was pointless in reference to the original poster of the thread. She is 29% BF. At that %, diet and training are what will give results.

Clen will be most beneficial for women at lower BF% - around 15% or lower usually.
 
that is true on the diet. when it is right clen is great although it can make you jittery and if you get the dose up to your tolerance level you will get cramps in the weirdest places just sitting around. Like your hands, feet, neck, etc.
 
Mon - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Tues - LIFT Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
Weds - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Thurs - LIFT Back, Biceps
Fri - HIIT 30 min, abs, stretch
Sat - LIFT Legs, 30 min moderate cardio
Sun - total rest day (do nothing)


I'm going to try this. I think I've been doing waaaay too much cardio, trying to get my fat down and trying to build muscle at the same time.
Thanks for the routine. Should I try it for 6 weeks?
 
I tried clen - made me feel like crap! No jitters or anything just felt DREADFUL! Tired, fatigued, all the things your not supposed to feel. I gave up on it after 5 days of feeling crappy. I think an ECA stack is superior for energy and thermogenesis. And as long as you eat clean & regularly and train hard, fat loss will come without it. It just takes time - be patient. Daisy Girl - you got the knowledge! Like the routine you suggested. How long have you been training?
 
This thread made my day. I completely agree with everyone else. Similar to Daisy I dropped from about 33% body fat down to 17% without anything but diet and lifting (minimal cardio except for occasional cool downs and HIIT). Clen and other stuff has it's place in the world, but I see it as something to get over a plateau. If you've not dieted and trained like hell, it's really a waste of time.

Seriously, reconsider it. Train hard and eat right for a couple of months. If you really stick to it you'll be floored by the results...and you'll know that YOU did it on your own without any kind of chemical. No pill can ever do anything compared to what you can do with some dedication and will-power.

Good luck!
 
I have used clen several times but find it only slightly more effective as a stimulant than the good old ECA stack & did not like the rebound effect after stopping.What I did find it very effective for was water retention - I found it 'dried' me out giving me a tighter appearance. Now I like to use it for a 7 - 10 days before an important night where I want to look good or before hitting the beach in a bikini.
 
i am with daisy_girl all the way........it is important to eat more meals during the day small meals though every 3 hrs or so..... the meals if kept small are like logs on a fire.. you give just enough to keep it going the fire is your metabolism..... and it tricks your body ... if you starve your body it learns fast to store what ever fat it can get.. have you ever noticed the fat people that eat one or 2 meals aday..... there body is holding on to the fat for safety....because it is being starved all the time..... so what you have to do is trick your body.....let is have a little food all through out the day so it becomes less likely to hold on the fat it begins to trust it ..... then have a cheat day on Sunday.....eat what ever you want ..this will really tell your body no to worry you are not starving it..... and one more thing dont eat at least 3hr before bed.. if you are dieing before bed try some beef jerky.. the no fat kind it is not filling but might get you past the attack..... i hope this kinda paints a picture for you the girls are telling you right......and you have have heard of Albuterol it is about the same thing asthma med...and has the same side effects.......
 
Here is a question for ya - how long does side effects last? for clen i mean. and what are the side effects? i see all the other normal questions but just wondered.
 
Dakotah said:
Here is a question for ya - how long does side effects last? for clen i mean. and what are the side effects? i see all the other normal questions but just wondered.
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Possible side effects while taking...... headaches, nausea, shakes, insomnia, jitters, sweating, extreme thirst, anxiety, I had inability to focus (think, serious ADHD!), jumpiness, etc........

They will occur until your body develops a tolerance to that dose. Then they slowly go away over a few days or so. You increase the dose until the sides are intolerable. Then back down slightly.
 
thanks daisy

very helpful
 
I was happy to find this thread as well...in fact...I signed on to ask a similar question myself.

I know how to properly care for my diet and training. I used to make my living as a personal trainer, and my boyfriend is a trainer himself who has been bodybuilding and competing for over 11 years now.

HOWEVER.......there is one question he cannot answer for me, and no one here has addressed it yet either.

CAN YOU TAKE CLENBUTEROL WHILE TAKING BIRTH CONTROL???

Or rather...is it SAFE to take clen while taking birth control pills?
 
Wend insisted that I post here. All that has been said about clen is true, especially Daisy's ideas about its applicability to the original poster. Diet and rigorous training is the only likely success here.

More importantly clen is very dangerous to the heart, causing heart muscle death, similar to that experienced by a heart attack, but without the vessel blockage.

Clen is a beta-agonist. Beta receptors are in skeletal muscle (yea!), fat (yea!), lungs (keeps airways open and why clen is used in asthma), and the heart (uh-oh :( ). Beta-antagonist (the opposite of clen) are used after heart attacks and heart surgery to prolong life and protect the heart. Blocking the beta receptors in the heart is therefore likely to result in heart death, and it does. This problem would be compound by stimulants, "crystal", diet pills, cocaine or abuse of over the counter cold-preps. These interactions have caused some bodybuilding sudden deaths.

Here is the scientific reference from the 2004 article with the punchline in bold. Numerous other older papers in humans exists, so clen's toxicity is well shown. They are using rats now so they can pry into the mechanism of clen's "heart attacks" to learn more about the etiology of heart disease in general. This topic is covered in a big thread on the anabolic board too.

J Appl Physiol. 2004 Dec 10; [Epub ahead of print] "{beta}2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle."Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF. Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart

Please be careful. It might be worth it if clen worked better :lmao: I'm all for leaving a good-looking corpse, but make sure it's actually good-looking, right?

If you are hell-bent on using drugs, I would start with a good ECA stack, of great proven benefit. I would recommend anavar as a safer, more effective venture into scheduled drugs when you are ready. Great fat burning, muscle leaning, few sides and well-tolerated in women. Possibly add t3 and HGH as you become significantly advanced. That's all the drugs a hard-working woman should need to reach her potential.

Good luck.

(p.s. Daisy, Wend says congrats on married life. :) Have fun and enjoy the ride.)
 
Nichole said:
HOWEVER.......there is one question he cannot answer for me, and no one here has addressed it yet either.

CAN YOU TAKE CLENBUTEROL WHILE TAKING BIRTH CONTROL???

Or rather...is it SAFE to take clen while taking birth control pills?
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Actually, the original poster of this thread asked the same question. I addressed it in post #2. Re-read this whole thread. :)
 
Well, I thank you, Maj, for taking the time to share your medical expertise here in hopes of helping the ladies safeguard their health. Of course, what they choose to do with that information is up to them. Hopefully, most of them will care more about their health than their appearance, though I'm afraid that's not usually the custom.
 
Daisy_Girl said:
Actually, the original poster of this thread asked the same question. I addressed it in post #2. Re-read this whole thread. :)
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Sorry about that...I skipped right over that part. :qt:
 
Just a side-note on the CLA thing... I noticed that I was a tiny bit "tighter" while taking it, but nothing to brag about... not worth the money. You can get the same result eating clean. But people don't like to hear that, LOL.
 
Hi everyone!
I am new to the board and was thinking of using Clen myself. Thanks for all this info! Does anyone know how Clen compares to Ephedrine? I used Eph when it first came out and it worked really well but had not so great side effects. :(
Also, what kind of ECA stack do ya'll recommend? Preferably one with no caffeine.
Thanks!
:)
 
If you don't like the sides of Ephedra, you won't like the sides of Clen. They are very similar. I get MUCH more jitters on Clen than ECA. I feel like I have Parkinsons. :(

To get a true ECA, you have to have caffeine. It is the 'C' in ECA. ECA stacks are Ephedra, Caffeine, and Asprin.

Why no caffeine? You are going have a hard time finding a 'fat burner' with no caffeine, esp. since Ephedra is banned now.
 
yeah...worring about the jitters from the asprin in an ECA stack is like being concerned that its raining when you are scuba diving
 
Daisy_Girl said:
If you don't like the sides of Ephedrine, you won't like the sides of Clen. They are very similar. I get MUCH more jitters on Clen than ECA. I feel like I have Parkinsons. :(

To get a true ECA, you have to have caffeine. It is the 'C' in ECA. ECA stacks are Ephedra, Caffeine, and Asprin.

Why no caffeine? You are going have a hard time finding a 'fat burner' with no caffeine, esp. since Ephedra is banned now.
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Thanks for the info.! Yeah, I just learned what it stood for..lol..I'm a little slow today :)
The sides for eph that I didn't really like was the moodiness, loss of memory and insomnia but other than that I loved it...lol...! I was happy, could work out hard and long and had tons of energy. I can see how it can be addictive!
I just didn't like caff. because it gave me headaches, didn't last very long and the come down was the worst. I had the best luck with Eph. but it is not around anymore and being in school, I need my memory ;)
So, my boyfriend recommended Clen but I read through this thread and see it is used more for getting over plateaus. I think I want to start on something else first to get back into my diet and workout and then use it to get over a plateau when I'm faced with it. I just didn't know which one was best? I still have some Stacker's 2 I use which is great but has the eph still and then sometime the Xenadrine Eph. free.
What do you recommend as a starting energy/weight loss pill to get me going?
Thanks again for your help!
Xenasky :)
 
Stacker 2, Xenadrine, almost ALL 'fat-burners' have caffeine in them. You are going to have a VERY hard time finding an "energy" supplement that has no caffeine.

You got headaches while taking caffeine? I bet you $100 you were dehydrated. How much water do you drink everyday?
 
Yeah, I bet you are right. I get dehydrated so easy and plus I am very prone to migraines and caffeine triggers them. I was just wondering if there was something out there without caff. but there's not so no big deal. I can deal with headaches. :)
So what do you recommend? Xenadrine?
:)
 
MuscleTech has a Hydroxycut version now without caffeine. But I cannot vouch for it's effectiveness, having never taken it. You could try it.

Prone to dehydration? I think that is code for "I need to drink a lot more water" :) How much do you drink every day? You need about 1 gallon - which sounds daunting, but it is only 4 liters (a liter is roughly 32 oz). Spread throughout the day, it breaks down easily. :)
 
Just in case anyone had skimmed Maj's post, I wanted to highlight his statement that stimulants, such as "crystal", diet pills, cocaine or abuse of over the counter cold-preps, in conjunction with clen, can cause deterioration of heart tissue, even leading to sudden death. Clearly, clen in moderate doses for short cycles can be helpful for competitors who've already gotten their bodyfat very low and have the discipline to avoid such contraindicated substances, but should be avoided by those who don't fall into that description.
 
the point and this is an important point.. There is alot of evidence to suggest that these items can cause negative effects.

When taking anything one should educate one selve and take it responsibly. There are many instances where ppl have taken thm and no severe side effects occur.

I do not beleive on jumping on the band wagon of all stimulants, but i also do not see the need to instil fear in all those who desire to use them RESPONSIBLY!
 
CanadianCutie said:
I do not beleive on jumping on the band wagon of all stimulants, but i also do not see the need to instil fear in all those who desire to use them RESPONSIBLY!
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A far bigger problem is that the average person (male or female) using a drug cannot tell you the 5 most common significant medically proven side effects of that drug or how it works in layman's terms. Therefore, they must be using drugs without knowing the pros and cons, in other words, making completely irrational and baseless decisions.

Instilling fear or respect is apparently not easily done. So I wouldn't worry about going to far on the side of caution on a public internet board populated largely by bozos.
 
majutsu said:
A far bigger problem is that the average person (male or female) using a drug cannot tell you the 5 most common significant medically proven side effects of that drug or how it works in layman's terms. Therefore, they must be using drugs without knowing the pros and cons, in other words, making completely irrational and baseless decisions.

Instilling fear or respect is apparently not easily done. So I wouldn't worry about going to far on the side of caution on a public internet board populated largely by bozos.
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Good point. Most people take something because their gym partner, friend, or boyfriend told them about it. They don't take time or responsibility for doing their OWN research.

Additionally, just because your buddy who took XYZ got no sides and no ill-effects does NOT mean YOU will not gets sides or ill-effects. What is good for the goose is NOT always good for the gander!
 
Exactly.. which goes backt o the point EDUCATE urself.. before you put anything in your body
 
CanadianCutie said:
Exactly.. which goes backt o the point EDUCATE urself.. before you put anything in your body
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But most people are impatient and immature. They would rather have someone else research and tell them about it. Nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions.

Same reason why people blame work, school, genetics, willpower, parents, metabolism, etc on their inability to reach their goals. We ALL have our obstacles. How you choose to deal with them will define you.
 
Those are very good points but no matter how much education a person gets, it still doesn't kill the curiosity for some. Just like Cig's. You can preach all day but people still smoke and start smoking.
Almost everyone has used something to help them reach their goal at one time or another...have it be energy booster drinks or steroids.
As a Health Promotion graduate...I know, ironic, I have taken behavioral science and know that just preaching and the "scare" technique does not work alone. They do help though. :) Each persons body reacts different so it is hard to diagnose every drug for every person. Any time you take any substance, being new or not, is taking a risk. Some people are willing to take that risk to get a jump to their goal... and I think the best thing to do would be give good, true and informed advice and not lean toward degrading other's because you might not know the entire situation or how "their" body handles thing and your information gets unheard because of your attitude.
You can just give your advice and an friendly opinion. Snide remarks about others being bozos about wanting to try stuff with out any info or because people they trust told them about it and probably did research themselves but you don't know isn't that intelligent either. It is specially hard when so many people have tried different stuff, even Arnold ;), and we see those results more.
I guess that is just my opinion.
 
ya i agree myslelf i have put up some posts after already doing research I wanted to see if any one else new more about it and i got complantes for not doing research myslef.... instead of them giving a thought, like you requested you get a ....... that is a stupid question... or how many times have i heard this question.... the site is to learn more..it is for learning if you dont like the question you should just not answer and leave it to more helpful people....
 
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