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"Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhhhhh!

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"Waaaahhhh I got a learning disability and bipolar, I shouldnt go to jail this long Waaahhhhh!!!"

Im sure he was just a great kid about to turn his life around until he participated in 7 straight armed robberies
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MIAMI (Reuters) - Quartavious Davis is still shocked by what happened to him in federal court two months ago.

"My first offense, and they gave me all this time," said Davis, a pudgy African American with dreadlocks who spoke with Reuters at the Federal Detention Center in Miami. "Might just as well say I'm dead."

Davis was convicted of participating in a string of armed robberies in the Miami area in 2010. His accomplices testified against him, saying he carried a gun during their crimes and discharged it at a dog that chased them after one of their burglaries. But Davis was not convicted of hurting anyone physically, including the dog.

Davis would occupy no place at all in the annals of crime if not for his sentence. Now 20 years old, he was sentenced to 1,941 months - almost 162 years - in prison without the possibility of parole.

On the day of Davis's interview with Reuters, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that life sentences without parole for defendants under the age of 18 constituted "cruel and unusual punishment" even in cases of murder. Unfortunately for Davis, he was 18 at the time of his crimes.

[Related: High Court ruling gives hope of freedom for some]

Nonetheless, Davis's attorney will argue that Davis's sentence to die in prison also constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment" on the grounds that Davis is a "first offender," having never before been charged with a crime.

"Just as the Supreme Court recently held that the Constitution bars taking away all discretion from judges in sentencing juveniles to life imprisonment for committing murder," said the attorney, Jacqueline Shapiro, "so also is it cruel and extreme to allow unfettered prosecutorial discretion to force a sentencing judge to impose a life sentence on a teenage first offender convicted of lesser charges."

Davis's unusually long sentence results from a controversial practice known as "stacking," in which each count of an indictment is counted as a separate crime, thus transforming a first-time defendant into a "habitual criminal" subject to multiple sentences and mandatory sentencing guidelines.

"Any law that provides for a mandatory term of imprisonment for a 19-year-old first offender that exceeds a century has got to be unconstitutional," said Michael Zelman, the court-appointed attorney who represented Davis at his trial.

Zelman resigned from Davis's case after filing a notice of appeal. If Davis's new lawyer, Shapiro, has her way, the Supreme Court may ultimately decide the issue. The case will be appealed first to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta.

Until then, Davis's story will be a prominent case in point for both sides in an increasingly heated debate, pitting those who would protect society from the prospective dangers posed by serial criminals against those who see the United States - whose overcrowded prisons house fully one-quarter of all the prisoners in the world, most of them black - as a bastion of injustice.

ODD MAN OUT

When he was arrested on December 23, 2010, Davis was an unemployed high school dropout living with an aunt in Goulds, Florida, a poor, predominantly black neighborhood south of Miami.

According to expert testimony at his trial, Davis suffers from a learning disability and bipolar disorder.

At the time of his arrest, he told Reuters, he was living on $674 a month in Social Security disability payments and hoping to get back into school to learn a trade.

On February 9 of this year he was convicted of committing seven armed robberies at fast-food restaurants, a Walgreens pharmacy and other commercial establishments in the Miami area from August to October of 2010.

Davis, who still maintains his innocence, was the only one of the six men charged who went to trial. The others cut plea deals that left them with sentences of nine to 22 years in prison.

As the odd man out, Davis was convicted largely on the basis of his accomplices' testimony, court documents show.

Davis, who was not identified as the group's ringleader, claims he was never offered a plea bargain.

Davis's ex-attorney, Zelman, declined to comment on this point, citing attorney-client privilege.

Prosecutors declined to comment on any aspect of this story.

During the prison interview, Davis was advised by Shapiro not to discuss many specifics about his case.

According to the trial transcript, one of Davis's accomplices testified that he fired his weapon on two occasions - at the dog who chased him and 11 days later outside a Wendy's restaurant they had just robbed. He said Davis traded gunshots with a customer at the restaurant as he and three others sped away in their getaway car.

The accounts of Davis's firing his gun were otherwise uncorroborated.

The armed customer outside Wendy's, Dade County Public Schools maintenance worker Antonio Lamont Brooks, was unable to offer positive identification of the man with whom he exchanged gunfire. But he was uninjured and managed to squeeze off enough rounds from his 9mm handgun to leave one of Davis's accomplices with a bullet wound in his left buttock.

TOUGH PROSECUTORS

It is not clear why prosecutors decided to throw the full weight of the law at Davis.

Florida, though, has a history of "very zealous" prosecutions, according to Marc Mauer, executive director of the Washington-based Sentencing Project, which advocates for reform in the criminal-justice system.

For example, Florida leads in the number of juveniles sentenced to life without parole for lesser crimes than murder, sentences the Supreme Court declared to be unconstitutional in 2010. Florida and other states are now trying to determine how to resentence or grant parole to inmates affected by that ruling.

According to a recent study by the Pew Center on the States, Florida was first, among the 35 states reporting, in increases in time served in its prisons from 1990 to 2009.

In one recent, highly controversial Florida sentencing, Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Jacksonville with no previous criminal record, was sentenced to 20 years for firing a pistol twice into the air while trying to ward off an attack by her abusive husband. Denied the protection of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, the 31-year-old mother of three was convicted of aggravated assault, a felony, and given the mandatory sentence for anyone who fires a gun in commission of the felony.

Davis's sentencing has not generated the same degree of public interest.

"THE INSTALLMENT PLAN"

Davis was convicted of seven counts of possessing a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence, an offense punishable under the so-called mandatory minimum sentences imposed by Congress since the late 1980s.

Mauer said such sentences have been associated with an 800 percent increase in the federal prison population since 1980.

Davis received seven years for the first of the firearm counts against him and 25 years apiece for each of the six subsequent counts. The law, as written by Congress, requires the sentences to be served consecutively. In prison slang, such sentences are sometimes referred to as "life on the installment plan" or "running wild."

In a report to Congress last October, the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which sets guidelines for federal courts, noted that many law enforcement officials, including New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, viewed mandatory minimum penalties as an important "investigative tool" because they provide leverage over suspects and help persuade them to cooperate with the authorities in exchange for lesser charges.

"In addition to their deterrent effect, some policymakers assert that mandatory minimum penalties reduce crime by incapacitating criminals and protecting the public from their potential future offenses," the commission said.

At the same time, it criticized certain aspects of the mandatory minimum laws, observing that the practice of stacking, in particular, can result in "excessively severe and unjust sentences."

Since 2003 the Justice Department has had guidelines in place that discourage prosecutors from stacking in cases where it can lead to excessive sentences.

Yet prosecutors have broad discretion within their jurisdictions to follow their own lights, according to criminal-law experts.

In a statement issued the day after the sentencing, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida Wifredo Ferrer hailed Davis's lock-up for life as sending an unmistakable warning to anyone seeking to profit from violent crime.

"We will not allow our community to be overrun by guns and violence," he said.

Although he has no alternative explanation, Davis cannot accept that that is the real reason he will have to die in prison.No shit sherlock, because you done fucked up royally.

"There ain't no justice in the justice system," he said, gazing down at his olive-green prison jumpsuit and beige rubber sandals.

"I ain't going to never accept what happened," he added. "They know what they did isn't right."

(Editing by Lee Aitken, Douglas Royalty, Prudence Crowther and Jim Gaines)
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

his defense has a point. it should be treated as a first offense since he hasn't had a chance to be rehabilitated or learn from his mistakes. i'd give that clown 5-10 years, def not life
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Cliffs notes...

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

Dumbass does 7 armed robberies as a "first offense"
gets 162 years because each conviction is "stacked" i.e. 25 years times 6 etc
Dumbass claims he has learning disability and bipolar or some such horseshit thats irrelevant
 
Fuck him. If we gave that shit bag 5-10 he will just get out in his twenties as a smarter criminal. Prison does not change most people. It gives them training on how not to get caught and meet new connections.

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

wished I had a fly name like Quartavious
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Dumbass does 7 armed robberies as a "first offense"
gets 162 years because each conviction is "stacked" i.e. 25 years times 6 etc
Dumbass claims he has learning disability and bipolar or some such horseshit thats irrelevant

sounds like a candidate for a lobotomy .. the world needs ditch diggers too ya know..
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

7 offenses and gets 162 years?

Are you people telling me that you don't think that it's too much for a first offense?
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

7 offenses and gets 162 years?

Are you people telling me that you don't think that it's too much for a first offense?

cut off 158 years for time served bunking with teh Booty Warrior
 
Nope. Fuck him.

Set an example.

If more of these little trouble making shitheads get their asses torn in prison their little buddies will think twice about taking hard working people's money.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Nope. Fuck him.

Set an example.

If more of these little trouble making shitheads get their asses torn in prison their little buddies will think twice about taking hard working people's money.

butt he has learning disabilities and shit
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Weak.

Still don't give a shit.


situation could have been avoided if his mom wood have hugged him moar and gave him a sense of empowerment so that he could have realized his future was limitless including becuming POTUS
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Nope. Fuck him.

Set an example.

If more of these little trouble making shitheads get their asses torn in prison their little buddies will think twice about taking hard working people's money.
You already know that prison or the death penalty isn't the deterrent that it's supposed to be...but (like the military industrial complex and the drug war) it's a great way to keep people (especially in private prisons) paid.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Nope. Fuck him.

Set an example.

If more of these little trouble making shitheads get their asses torn in prison their little buddies will think twice about taking hard working people's money.

id have to agree with you.
 
situation could have been avoided if his mom wood have hugged him moar and gave him a sense of empowerment so that he could have realized his future was limitless including becuming POTUS

Black men don't become POTUS
 
You already know that prison or the death penalty isn't the deterrent that it's supposed to be...but (like the military industrial complex and the drug war) it's a great way to keep people (especially in private prisons) paid.

Perhaps, but I'm willing to bet he won't be robbing any 7/11s in the near future
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

You already know that prison or the death penalty isn't the deterrent that it's supposed to be...but (like the military industrial complex and the drug war) it's a great way to keep people (especially in private prisons) paid.

Nobody is listening.
 
I fkn hate when someone gets caught after performing criminal activity, found guilty, and then wants to pull a fucking poor me story and bitch about the penalty.

No bitch, you CHOSE to dropout of highschool for a life of crime, but you don't get to choose what the penalty for a crime is.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Perhaps, but I'm willing to bet he won't be robbing any 7/11s in the near future
True and I'm not saying that he's a great guy either. I'm just saying that the number is excessive.

It's like saying that robbing 7 stores is worse then being a serial killer or a child predator because he got more time then anyone on Dateline.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Nobody is listening.
I should have some shares in the military, corn, and prison industrial complexes.

I should Google "subsidies" and invest THERE!
 
A first offense... When you rob SEVEN stores and discharge your weapon in one or more you dont get to play that card, clearly his violence at the scened was escalating

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

A first offense... When you rob SEVEN stores and discharge your weapon in one or more you dont get to play that card, clearly his violence at the scened was escalating

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You're right. He should have raped and kill a child so that he could get less time.
:faint:
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

His mother gave him a life sentence the day she named him Quartavious.
 
This supreme court ruling about cruel an unusual punishment is bullshit, we had a 16 year old girl 2 years ago plot to kill her mom an dad, with help of her bf an another friend, killed her father an her mother was stabbed over 16 times! Another incident was 6 teenagers kidnapped another teenager, tortured him him for hours an then put him in a car trunk an set it on fire , because they thought mind you thought he was a snitch! There was a total of 6 teenagers that committed heinous murders up in this area over the last few years , they get sentenced to life now the supreme courts rule that they can get out! Bullshit they were old enough to know the difference between right an wrong, what about the innocent parties involved, the families of the murdered loved ones or the the mother who survived an watched her husband killed aren't they serving a life sentence as well ? Fuck the supreme court an this bullshit ! JMO
 
His mother gave him a life sentence the day she named him Quartavious.

Lol i can't even pronounce that shit!
I really doubt she found that in a baby name book.
I wonder how long it took her to make it up?
Why do ppl think there kids are so special that they have to invent a new name for them?
Your dumb ass kid is just like everyone els, just give em a normal name damn it!
Maybe if she'd put half the effort into raising him properly that she put into inventing that name ...
 
This supreme court ruling about cruel an unusual punishment is bullshit, we had a 16 year old girl 2 years ago plot to kill her mom an dad, with help of her bf an another friend, killed her father an her mother was stabbed over 16 times! Another incident was 6 teenagers kidnapped another teenager, tortured him him for hours an then put him in a car trunk an set it on fire , because they thought mind you thought he was a snitch! There was a total of 6 teenagers that committed heinous murders up in this area over the last few years , they get sentenced to life now the supreme courts rule that they can get out! Bullshit they were old enough to know the difference between right an wrong, what about the innocent parties involved, the families of the murdered loved ones or the the mother who survived an watched her husband killed aren't they serving a life sentence as well ? Fuck the supreme court an this bullshit ! JMO

This.

Like they'd be more dead if an adult killed them? But no, you're less dead since you were killed by a teenager.

Also, I've seen 15 year olds get tried as an adult in court for shit like assault, attempted murder, aggravated robbery ect. Seems to me like the court is saying "take it easy on themo this time, they only killed someone, and you know how these hormones are when you're 16 or 17..."

We need more cases like this Quartafknwhateverius kid, maybe we can turn this bullshit judicial system around.

Start giving out 60 years for shit like domestic assault and battery. Then the trashy little pukes who hit their girls will maybe consider putting the belt down and talking it out like men.

How do you offset the tax money we'd be spending in overcrowded prisons? Don't let them get overcrowded. If you're on death row, you don't sit there for 25 years and write a book, you get fucking put to death. And stop giving life sentences for acts of violent murder or repeat child molestation offenders. Give them the fucking needle and be done with it.

Everyone has a chance to be a productive member of society, and don't even argue bad neighborhoods have less potential help, there are too many charities willing to bend over backwards to help people out. You have to want to help yourself.

If you want to become a successful, decent productive human, good on you, and you'll find a lot of help. If you just want to be a POS who makes a life as a criminal, then fuck you, you get to meet Big Bob or the needle.

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

This.

Like they'd be more dead if an adult killed them? But no, you're less dead since you were killed by a teenager.

Also, I've seen 15 year olds get tried as an adult in court for shit like assault, attempted murder, aggravated robbery ect. Seems to me like the court is saying "take it easy on themo this time, they only killed someone, and you know how these hormones are when you're 16 or 17..."

We need more cases like this Quartafknwhateverius kid, maybe we can turn this bullshit judicial system around.

Start giving out 60 years for shit like domestic assault and battery. Then the trashy little pukes who hit their girls will maybe consider putting the belt down and talking it out like men.

How do you offset the tax money we'd be spending in overcrowded prisons? Don't let them get overcrowded. If you're on death row, you don't sit there for 25 years and write a book, you get fucking put to death. And stop giving life sentences for acts of violent murder or repeat child molestation offenders. Give them the fucking needle and be done with it.

Everyone has a chance to be a productive member of society, and don't even argue bad neighborhoods have less potential help, there are too many charities willing to bend over backwards to help people out. You have to want to help yourself.

If you want to become a successful, decent productive human, good on you, and you'll find a lot of help. If you just want to be a POS who makes a life as a criminal, then fuck you, you get to meet Big Bob or the needle.

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If it were that easy...

...but you might forget that sometimes the wrong person is arrested.


If someone is found guilty, would you rush the death penalty with the chance that they might prove to be innocent later because of some issue with the evidence? That's the problem that I think people deal with. If it's 100% sure that the person is guilty, then I don't think that there's any concern for them to be put down.

David Milguaard was a horrific case, but he was later proved innocent.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Lol i can't even pronounce that shit!
I really doubt she found that in a baby name book.
I wonder how long it took her to make it up?
Why do ppl think there kids are so special that they have to invent a new name for them?
Your dumb ass kid is just like everyone els, just give em a normal name damn it!
Maybe if she'd put half the effort into raising him properly that she put into inventing that name ...

Kind Sir,
I will have you know that African-Americans consider names like John and Bob to slave names; therefore many of us soundly reject them on principal.

Sincerely,
Steve

(but call me Dial_tone or I will fuck a ^$% up!)
 
I agree if it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, eye for an eye ! Why waste taxpayers money on them. I agree everyone from the homeless an poor all the way up to the rich fat man making millions, has a chance to become a productive citizen of society, there's all kinds of help available if you want it. You can't really blame society or they're upbringing or social - economical status.
 
If it were that easy...

...but you might forget that sometimes the wrong person is arrested.


If someone is found guilty, would you rush the death penalty with the chance that they might prove to be innocent later because of some issue with the evidence? That's the problem that I think people deal with. If it's 100% sure that the person is guilty, then I don't think that there's any concern for them to be put down.

David Milguaard was a horrific case, but he was later proved innocent.

If they're convicted, they're convicted. The system is a human system, meaning it is not perfect.

You mean to tell me you think Casey Anthony should be as free to do as she pleases just like you and me?

The idea of this whole proccess was to have the general public see what happens when you do wrong, so that they may be deterred from doing so themselves. Where it failed miserably was in the fact that the people who are doing wrong are now getting a slap on the wrist and then treated like decent people living in conditions better than half of the high poverty areas of US cities.

Serial child molesters are out in 10 on good behavior to go sit and watch our children play at the local playground with a hard on in their pants.

I do see your point, but if for every 1,000 assholes who get the chair there is one wrong place wrong time guy that takes one for the team, so be it. I think we are just that fucked as a people that extreme measures should now be protocol.

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

I do see your point, but if for every 1,000 assholes who get the chair there is one wrong place wrong time guy that takes one for the team, so be it.

Would you feel that way if that one person who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time was your son or daughter?
 
I never asked for immunity. If my child were convicted and given the death sentence, and I 100% in my heart believed they were innocent, sure I would fight for them until the very last second, but if that were ever the case and it came down to their execution, I wouldn't be the only person that has ever happened to.

We can't always win all the time. It just isn't possible for everyone to always get their way in everything.

Like I said, every human system will have flaws because we are not perfect.
 
It's casualty of war. To win the fight against crime,murder,drugs,ect. There will be good people that get hurt too. That's just how the system is. It's not perfect, but it works. There is not a perfect system out there.

So what it comes down to is. You do the crime, you do the time!

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If you're thinking my upbringing was even close to sheltered, you've got no fucking clue.

Enlighten me, if my view is idiotic. Obviously our system is a failure and needs reform. Let's hear your opinion if you know better.
 
You're a god damned genius, aren't you bitch?

I usually crawfish backwards when I stuff my foot in my own mouth, too.

Worthless fuck.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

I never asked for immunity. If my child were convicted and given the death sentence, and I 100% in my heart believed they were innocent, sure I would fight for them until the very last second, but if that were ever the case and it came down to their execution, I wouldn't be the only person that has ever happened to.

We can't always win all the time. It just isn't possible for everyone to always get their way in everything.

Like I said, every human system will have flaws because we are not perfect.

No, that's cool. I was just asking to get your thoughts. As for me, again...as a once staunch "tow the line" neocon, I used to support capital punishment. I no longer do. I believe that how we treat others (even criminals of the worst kind) is a direct reflection upon us as a "civilized society". Don't get me wrong...my "belief" is sorely tested time and time again and I too am subject to rage when I read some of the things perpetrated upon innocents. I hard to reconcile, but I have to adhere to my principles and maintain my convictions.
 
No, that's cool. I was just asking to get your thoughts. As for me, again...as a once staunch "tow the line" neocon, I used to support capital punishment. I no longer do. I believe that how we treat others (even criminals of the worst kind) is a direct reflection upon us as a "civilized society". Don't get me wrong...my "belief" is sorely tested time and time again and I too am subject to rage when I read some of the things perpetrated upon innocents. I hard to reconcile, but I have to adhere to my principles and maintain my convictions.

Which is why I like discussions with you, you know there are exceptions to every situations, yet still have confidence in your beliefs to stand your ground, just like myself.

I think you have a point when referring to how we are viewed as a civilization, but I also think we are to the point where that doesn't matter anymore. Our system got soft and is now collapsing if not reformed. I think stricter punishments may help straighten out some of what is going wrong

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

I think the existence of certain criminals is an egregious affront to our civilized society and warrants their "removal" permanently
 
Look how many people were executed or on deathrow that later were ruled innocent by dna or new information why in most cases makes more sense have mostly life sentences. It isn't right even vast majority are guilty and deserve to die.
Stricter punishment also increases chances of worse criminal activity. If gonna get life for a robbery why not kill someone if means will get away without punishment when will get basically same thing in end.

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I say anyone getting more than 40 years gets the death. They felons cost me/US tax money to much.

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I'm changing my name to Shaneegwa...
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

If we started sentencing people to work the mars tribidium mines there would be zero crime
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

wished I had a fly name like Quartavious

you draw a name like that comin' outta the chute and you're destined to be an armed robber and/or a wideout for the U...kid never had a chance...
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

No, that's cool. I was just asking to get your thoughts. As for me, again...as a once staunch "tow the line" neocon, I used to support capital punishment. I no longer do. I believe that how we treat others (even criminals of the worst kind) is a direct reflection upon us as a "civilized society". Don't get me wrong...my "belief" is sorely tested time and time again and I too am subject to rage when I read some of the things perpetrated upon innocents. I hard to reconcile, but I have to adhere to my principles and maintain my convictions.

i'd rather be a member of a "don't fuck with us" society...i'd rather be feared than respected, i suppose.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

i'd rather be a member of a "don't fuck with us" society...i'd rather be feared than respected, i suppose.
And you believe the two are mutually exclusive? I have no problem with the concept of being feared. Hell...I am very good at instilling fear, but I also hold to a higher standard where respect and admiration are traits to be aspired toward. The idea that you can only attain only one or the other is ludicrous IMO.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

And you believe the two are mutually exclusive? I have no problem with the concept of being feared. Hell...I am very good at instilling fear, but I also hold to a higher standard where respect and admiration are traits to be aspired toward. The idea that you can only attain only one or the other is ludicrous IMO.

i guess i just kinda thought that you always had to choose one or the other...and once upon a time i probably would have chosen respect...but the world is a fucked up place anymore, so i suppose i'm on the side of fear now...however, i am certain that i haven't put as much thought into it as you...just my knee-jerk response.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

i guess i just kinda thought that you always had to choose one or the other...and once upon a time i probably would have chosen respect...but the world is a fucked up place anymore, so i suppose i'm on the side of fear now...however, i am certain that i haven't put as much thought into it as you...just my knee-jerk response.

Of course the world is a fucked up place. You will get no argument from me, but that doesn't mean I have to behave in a "fucked up" manner in response. Just because "everyone else does it" doesn't mean I have to follow suit. Please note that not too terribly long ago I adhered to a "scorched earth" ideology and supported capital punishment. It was then that I set on a quest to question my values and find the fundamental/root source of where those ideologies came from. I found that I've been lied to and manipulated. It was then I chose to scrutinize everything (even my beliefs) and constantly reassess.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

I never asked for immunity. If my child were convicted and given the death sentence, and I 100% in my heart believed they were innocent, sure I would fight for them until the very last second, but if that were ever the case and it came down to their execution, I wouldn't be the only person that has ever happened to.

We can't always win all the time. It just isn't possible for everyone to always get their way in everything.

Like I said, every human system will have flaws because we are not perfect.
I'd always figure that if my son / daughter was going to be sentenced to death, then it would be me to pull the lever.

I wouldn't be able to stop the execution, but I'm hoping that it will be a little more humane for him / her.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Of course the world is a fucked up place. You will get no argument from me, but that doesn't mean I have to behave in a "fucked up" manner in response. Just because "everyone else does it" doesn't mean I have to follow suit. Please note that not too terribly long ago I adhered to a "scorched earth" ideology and supported capital punishment. It was then that I set on a quest to question my values and find the fundamental/root source of where those ideologies came from. I found that I've been lied to and manipulated. It was then I chose to scrutinize everything (even my beliefs) and constantly reassess.

oh, i don't believe in being fucked up either...quite the contrary...but, when i think of the words civilized and respected at the same time? i think of the french...they put themselves out as being dignified and cultured and civilized and highly-evolved and they aspire to be respected...but, at the end of the day?? they're just a bunch of snooty, sniveling, smelly, pointy-nosed little pussies who were born with their hands up...and when the shit hits the fan, they let everyone else (mostly us) do all the dirty work. if that's civilized? put "x" in the nay column for me.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

I wouldn't be able to stop the execution, but I'm hoping that it will be a little more humane for him / her.

But perhaps in that moment, the two of you can reach an understanding that transcends all this "crap" that makes us "feel better" and allow the two of you to accept what is happening. It's quite "Zen"...truth be told.
 
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oh, i don't believe in being fucked up either...quite the contrary...but, when i think of the words civilized and respected at the same time? i think of the french...they put themselves out as being dignified and cultured and civilized and highly-evolved and they aspire to be respected...but, at the end of the day?? they're just a bunch of snooty, sniveling, smelly, pointy-nosed little pussies who were born with their hands up...and when the shit hits the fan, they let everyone else (mostly us) do all the dirty work. if that's civilized? put "x" in the nay column for me.

Have you served? What's your service record? Forgive me for asking, but I need to know who I'm talking to and if I'm talking to a person who hasn't put their money where their mouth is, then I approach the discussion in a different manner. I served. My son served. Have you? An honest question. If you have not and you adopt a stance of warmongering/occupation of sovereign nations at the expense other other people's children....I will eat you alive...chew you up...and spit you out on the curb. I got your karma and I don't appreciate "trite" responses. If you're going to unzip your fly, you better be able to backup your shit...just so we're clear, ok?

I am not a pussy and I walk the walk. I must say that at your age, I'm somewhat puzzled that you have a rather convoluted perception of the world and the place the USA holds. You're not much younger than me, but your ideologies lends itself to one that has been listening/watching Fox News for far too long. Perhaps it's time to question your ideology my friend. Are you ready?
 
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overly strict punishments are problematic because we all violate the law at one time or another. if every offense received a life sentence, we would all be incarcerated. so think carefully if an afternoon of non-violent robbery really deserves life in prison. it's probably not a crime we personally would commit, and the perpetrator in this story isn't somebody any of us care about. but our loved ones will commit crime too, and i think we all hope that they will not be shown the same callousness for things like drunk in public, petty theft, or possession of a controlled substance.
 
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Have you served? What's your service record? Forgive me for asking, but I need to know who I'm talking to and if I'm talking to a person who hasn't put their money where their mouth is, then I approach the discussion in a different manner. I served. My son served. Have you? An honest question. If you have not and you adopt a stance of warmongering/occupation of sovereign nations at the expense other other people's children....I will eat you alive...chew you up...and spit you out on the curb. I got your karma and I don't appreciate "trite" responses. If you're going to unzip your fly, you better be able to backup your shit...just so we're clear, ok?

I am not a pussy and I walk the walk. I must say that at your age, I'm somewhat puzzled that you have a rather convoluted perception of the world and the place the USA holds. You're not much younger than me, but your ideologies lends itself to one that has been listening/watching Fox News for far too long. Perhaps it's time to question your ideology my friend. Are you ready?
No offense and I'm sure you're a good man but chill out. Your Internet Supertough guy routine is tiresome. You just got here. Digi has 28,322 posts for you to figure out what kind of man he is.

I've never served but I'm the son of a retired LTC who served in Vietnam and worked another 20 yrs civil service for the Army beyond. My opinions are formed from his leadership. Will those be invalidated as well because I haven't put my money up?

Like it or not you fought for the right for people to say stuff you disagree with. I had a conniption over a flag burning picture just yesterday. I have thoroughly fleshed thoughts on many things, however I rarely waste them on EF.
 
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No offense and I'm sure you're a good man but chill out.

I will not. I take my politics very seriously. Perhaps if more people did as I do, we wouldn't be such a fucked up nation. Do you research the candidates you vote for? Doubtful. Do you know their voting record(s)? Doubtful. Do you even bother? Do you even vote? When I vote, I "know" who I'm voting for and what they've voted on. Everyone here is complaining how our system of justice is broken? Anyone even want to venture a guess as to why? Because "we" have allowed it to happen. We Americans are "asleep at the wheel" and we blindly vote for whomever we're told to vote for....And then those legislators vote in the legislation that becomes law/justice. Chill out? I will not. And anyone who opens their mouth and offers up an opinion should be able to back it up when called on it. I don't play nice in politics. Either get used to it or....STFU, capiche?
 
overly strict punishments are problematic because we all violate the law at one time or another. if every offense received a life sentence, we would all be incarcerated. so think carefully if an afternoon of non-violent robbery really deserves life in prison. it's probably not a crime we personally would commit, and the perpetrator in this story isn't somebody any of us care about. but our loved ones will commit crime too, and i think we all hope that they will not be shown the same callousness for things like drunk in public, petty theft, or possession of a controlled substance.

Well it was violent robbery, he was armed, shot a dog, then shot at people, he was escalating in violent behavior.
Had he done it once I'd be with you guys, but SEVEN times?

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Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Have you served? What's your service record? Forgive me for asking, but I need to know who I'm talking to and if I'm talking to a person who hasn't put their money where their mouth is, then I approach the discussion in a different manner. I served. My son served. Have you? An honest question. If you have not and you adopt a stance of warmongering/occupation of sovereign nations at the expense other other people's children....I will eat you alive...chew you up...and spit you out on the curb. I got your karma and I don't appreciate "trite" responses. If you're going to unzip your fly, you better be able to backup your shit...just so we're clear, ok?

I am not a pussy and I walk the walk. I must say that at your age, I'm somewhat puzzled that you have a rather convoluted perception of the world and the place the USA holds. You're not much younger than me, but your ideologies lends itself to one that has been listening/watching Fox News for far too long. Perhaps it's time to question your ideology my friend. Are you ready?

i don't watch the news...and you're putting entirely too much thought into my comments.
 
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You think? Lol

yes...yes i do...haha...and, my heritage and experience are plastered all over this place...he can look if he likes...i'm too busy and too tired to get into it right now.
 
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overly strict punishments are problematic because we all violate the law at one time or another. if every offense received a life sentence, we would all be incarcerated. so think carefully if an afternoon of non-violent robbery really deserves life in prison. it's probably not a crime we personally would commit, and the perpetrator in this story isn't somebody any of us care about. but our loved ones will commit crime too, and i think we all hope that they will not be shown the same callousness for things like drunk in public, petty theft, or possession of a controlled substance.

There is nothing non-violent about armed robbery even if no one was physically hurt...it was still violent. Having said that, I do think this does seem harsh for what he's done considering his age and his mental illness. However, something bothers me about him. He still maintains his innocence and didn't accept a plea deal. He says he wasn't given one to accept...is he telling the truth? His attorney won't comment on that? Why not?
 
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I will not. I take my politics very seriously. Perhaps if more people did as I do, we wouldn't be such a fucked up nation. Do you research the candidates you vote for? Doubtful. Do you know their voting record(s)? Doubtful. Do you even bother? Do you even vote? When I vote, I "know" who I'm voting for and what they've voted on. Everyone here is complaining how our system of justice is broken? Anyone even want to venture a guess as to why? Because "we" have allowed it to happen. We Americans are "asleep at the wheel" and we blindly vote for whomever we're told to vote for....And then those legislators vote in the legislation that becomes law/justice. Chill out? I will not. And anyone who opens their mouth and offers up an opinion should be able to back it up when called on it. I don't play nice in politics. Either get used to it or....STFU, capiche?

my grandfather (on my mom's side) and his brothers were first-generation citizens...they were drafted during world war ii...one of them is listed on this page under "ship's company personnel lost in action"

USS Gambier Bay (CVE 73) and Composite Squadron VC10 - Killed and Missing in Action

...while they were away fighting (and in one instance dying) for their country, the sheriff came to their family homestead and "euthanized" their dog (he took it behind the barn and shot it) because they were of german heritage and were not permitted to own a dog (during the war)...nevermind that they were working for "our side".

that's as far back as my familiy's military service to this country goes...we can work forward from there sometime if you like.
 
There is nothing non-violent about armed robbery even if no one was physically hurt...it was still violent. Having said that, I do think this does seem harsh for what he's done considering his age and his mental illness. However, something bothers me about him. He still maintains his innocence and didn't accept a plea deal. He says he wasn't given one to accept...is he telling the truth? His attorney won't comment on that? Why not?

I don't really care either way lol. He was a scum bag, and will always be a scum bag. He was a waste to society. So let him rot. In fact, I'm shocked I'm even posting about him. His life is not even worth the one minute it took me to type this.

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I don't really care either way lol. He was a scum bag, and will always be a scum bag. He was a waste to society. So let him rot. In fact, I'm shocked I'm even posting about him. His life is not even worth the one minute it took me to type this.

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Well, my point was that I'm not sure I believe that he wasn't offered a plea bargain.
 
There's no law that reads "you have to get a plea" they offer you a plea to avoid going to court. It save them time from going to court and avoids the chance that you might get off. If they knew 100% that he would be convicted, than why even offer a plea?

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Well, my point was that I'm not sure I believe that he wasn't offered a plea bargain.

So you mean to tell me you don't find it plausible that the other shitheads were all offered deals and he was not? You trying to say maybe he is wanting someone to feel sorry for his punk ass and is lying about the deal he probably turned down out of stupidity and arrogance?

Well....I agree.

This fucker hasn't learned shit. He maintains his innocence in the face of overwhelming evidence, leading me to believe he is incapable of being a man and accepting that what he did was wrrong and that he must now pay the piper.

Prison will do him some good.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

What if he received the maximum sentence for posessing anabolic steroids. How would some of you juice heads feel then?
 
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What if he received the maximum sentence for posessing anabolic steroids. How would some of you juice heads feel then?

You play you pay, same concept. We all know the risks we take here. He knew the risks he took with 7 armed robberies. Either way you put your hand in the cookie jar and hope to not get caught.
 
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You play you pay, same concept. We all know the risks we take here. He knew the risks he took with 7 armed robberies. Either way you put your and in the cookie jar and hope to not get caught.

*hand

BETTER??? :lmao:
 
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You play you pay, same concept. We all know the risks we take here. He knew the risks he took with 7 armed robberies. Either way you put your and in the cookie jar and hope to not get caught.

yeah and, i'd like to think that i'd be smart enough to quit juicing after i got caught the first 6 fucking times. :rolleyes:
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

yeah and, i'd like to think that i'd be smart enough to quit juicing after i got caught the first 6 fucking times. :rolleyes:

Yea the two scenarios arent really comparable
 
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yeah and, i'd like to think that i'd be smart enough to quit juicing after i got caught the first 6 fucking times. :rolleyes:

it would be like using 7 different steroids in one afternoon and getting charged with 7 counts separately
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

You play you pay, same concept. We all know the risks we take here. He knew the risks he took with 7 armed robberies. Either way you put your hand in the cookie jar and hope to not get caught.

you're right, that's how it is. but that doesn't mean we can talk about things COULD be - and work towards a better system if we feel one is possible
 
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cindy and nan: thank you. when i read the article, i didn't realize he had a gun and was firing off shots. his sentence makes a lot more sense to me now
 
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it would be like using 7 different steroids in one afternoon and getting charged with 7 counts separately

welllllll, if we want to make this situation comparable to steroids...it would actually be more like putting a gun to 7 different people's heads and forcing them to take steroids against their will...and you have to agree, that would be totally fucked-up, yes???
 
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welllllll, if we want to make this situation comparable to steroids...it would actually be more like putting a gun to 7 different people's heads and forcing them to take steroids against their will...and you have to agree, that would be totally fucked-up, yes???

lol i wish someone made me do a steroid cycle and pct at gunpoint :D


anyway man, i just wanted to make sure you realized that he wasn't a repeat offender in the traditional sense; it was all part of one spree
 
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lol i wish someone made me do a steroid cycle and pct at gunpoint :D


anyway man, i just wanted to make sure you realized that he wasn't a repeat offender in the traditional sense; it was all part of one spree

i'll hold a gun on you...you hold a gun on me...deal?? :lmao:
 
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lol i wish someone made me do a steroid cycle and pct at gunpoint :D


anyway man, i just wanted to make sure you realized that he wasn't a repeat offender in the traditional sense; it was all part of one spree

I dont really think it mitigates the crime. The victims of a spree killer arent any less dead than a serial killer
 
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I will not. I take my politics very seriously. Perhaps if more people did as I do, we wouldn't be such a fucked up nation. Do you research the candidates you vote for? Doubtful. Do you know their voting record(s)? Doubtful. Do you even bother? Do you even vote? When I vote, I "know" who I'm voting for and what they've voted on. Everyone here is complaining how our system of justice is broken? Anyone even want to venture a guess as to why? Because "we" have allowed it to happen. We Americans are "asleep at the wheel" and we blindly vote for whomever we're told to vote for....And then those legislators vote in the legislation that becomes law/justice. Chill out? I will not. And anyone who opens their mouth and offers up an opinion should be able to back it up when called on it. I don't play nice in politics. Either get used to it or....STFU, capiche?

I smell a here...
 
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I smell a here...

i smell someone that's going to find this vapid place very unfulfilling...i, on the other hand, love it here :)

i mean, it's a chat board on a fucking steroid website, for chrissakes! the people on the juicer board don't even take us seriously because we don't even have the decency to take steroids seriously...and some self-important nudnik comes along and expects the rest of us to take him seriously, just because he does?? in the immortal words of the dearly departed odb, i ask you...nigga, please??
 
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simple dave is hard to take serious with that avatar
 
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he also admits to owning a leather g-string...strike two.

not that i'm insinuating that anyone should take me seriously either...i'm at least as big of a nudnik as him...but the only leather i own is belts, shoes and the seats in my frontier :lmao:
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

a leather g-string, huh?
 
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a leather g-string, huh?

yeah...he said it came in the mail the other day and he put it on and danced around for his wife, or some shit like that...whatever...different strokes for different folks...i'm just thinking that, if there is a path of enlightenment for me??? the dude that leads me down it, probably ain't gonna be wearing a leather g-string...i'm jus' sayin'.
 
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Hardcore right wingers are always closet leather wearing homo daddies
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Male thongs were acceptable in the 80's, but if that shit was leather you're still gay....and ain't nothin wrong with that.
 
Re: "Waaahhhh Im 18 and just got 162 years for committing 7 armed robberies, Waaaahhh

Hardcore right wingers are always closet leather wearing homo daddies
Tell us how you really feel xD

not that i'm insinuating that anyone should take me seriously either...i'm at least as big of a nudnik as him...but the only leather i own is belts, shoes and the seats in my frontier :lmao:
:sulk: *goes to google nudnick*
 
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