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KAYNE
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Dougly said:
LOL......YEAH, HE HAD TO BE PRETTY YOUNG CUZ I WAS BARELY A TEEN AND HE'S YOUNGER THAN ME.
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Frackal
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"16 countries, 39 major cities... spending extensive time in each. By extensive time, I mean longer than one month. An MBA certainly doesn't hurt education wise either. Have *you* got a fraction of this?
And yes, I applaud my government for protecting me from wacko's like this.
You seem to forget a few very simple things about the situation.
#1 All they had to do was comply and allow for an inspection. The ATF was not out there for a picnic.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this... the ATF never served the warrant, they started firing first.
#2 If they were so worried about themselves... they should have left. Some of them did. The smart ones. I mean, it is not like this happened over lunch time. They had 51 days.... DUH!!!
Well after I just showed that your assertion that none of the people who left were arrested was wrong, you come up with this again.
#3 As far as the children who died. Our guys did not go in there to kill children. They did not go in there to kill anyone. If you look at the television tape, you will see that they were firing as they RETREATED. Sorry, some parents let their children go free. Other's did not. It was those parents and not our guys who are responsible for their deaths.
You're clueless on this...what television tape? What raid? Which day? When did you last look at the tape? If you dont feel like spending the time to read about this, go rent Waco: The Rules of Engagement, and then tell me what you think about your assertion.
#4 The capital murder charges were necessary because everyone at that point was a suspect. Sorry, can't let them just waltz away until everything is clear. Why do you think they were acquitted.
LOL, yet you said in the last post that they all walked away free, and that's why the rest of the Davidians should have come out.... give me a break...
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As far as me saying I did not like their lifestyle. I never said that. I said I disliked THEM. They had NO LIFESTYLE. Don't you get it? A lifestyle is the consequence of a series of choices you make. They did NOT have a choice. They had a dictatorship. And do not try to compare the scenario of our or another government going out and rounding people up to kill. Please. They did not round these people up. They went to their little compound. (so it's ok as long as they kill you at your house?)
This is amazing... this argument about whether they were living a 'lifestyle' or not... A lifestyle applies to the way anyone decides to live... what in the hell are you thinking here??? If they didn't have a choice, than some would not have left the compound...they did have a choice...but for reasons of them being frightened and religious reasons some decided not to leave...I don't think they thought they would be burned alive by their own government.
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I guess we have a fundamentally different look on this.... you believe that because these people did not comply with the demands of an agency that had already attacked them first, they deserved to die. I believe that this is America, where such things are not tolerated. You actually applaud the fact that the government burned these people because you consider them "dangerous wackos" and "dissidents."
I'm going to hold my tongue but your attitude fucking floors me on this...perhaps it will bite you in the ass (no pun intended) sometime in the future.
And yes, I applaud my government for protecting me from wacko's like this.
You seem to forget a few very simple things about the situation.
#1 All they had to do was comply and allow for an inspection. The ATF was not out there for a picnic.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this... the ATF never served the warrant, they started firing first.
#2 If they were so worried about themselves... they should have left. Some of them did. The smart ones. I mean, it is not like this happened over lunch time. They had 51 days.... DUH!!!
Well after I just showed that your assertion that none of the people who left were arrested was wrong, you come up with this again.
#3 As far as the children who died. Our guys did not go in there to kill children. They did not go in there to kill anyone. If you look at the television tape, you will see that they were firing as they RETREATED. Sorry, some parents let their children go free. Other's did not. It was those parents and not our guys who are responsible for their deaths.
You're clueless on this...what television tape? What raid? Which day? When did you last look at the tape? If you dont feel like spending the time to read about this, go rent Waco: The Rules of Engagement, and then tell me what you think about your assertion.
#4 The capital murder charges were necessary because everyone at that point was a suspect. Sorry, can't let them just waltz away until everything is clear. Why do you think they were acquitted.
LOL, yet you said in the last post that they all walked away free, and that's why the rest of the Davidians should have come out.... give me a break...
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As far as me saying I did not like their lifestyle. I never said that. I said I disliked THEM. They had NO LIFESTYLE. Don't you get it? A lifestyle is the consequence of a series of choices you make. They did NOT have a choice. They had a dictatorship. And do not try to compare the scenario of our or another government going out and rounding people up to kill. Please. They did not round these people up. They went to their little compound. (so it's ok as long as they kill you at your house?)
This is amazing... this argument about whether they were living a 'lifestyle' or not... A lifestyle applies to the way anyone decides to live... what in the hell are you thinking here??? If they didn't have a choice, than some would not have left the compound...they did have a choice...but for reasons of them being frightened and religious reasons some decided not to leave...I don't think they thought they would be burned alive by their own government.
[edited for irrelevancy] "
I guess we have a fundamentally different look on this.... you believe that because these people did not comply with the demands of an agency that had already attacked them first, they deserved to die. I believe that this is America, where such things are not tolerated. You actually applaud the fact that the government burned these people because you consider them "dangerous wackos" and "dissidents."
I'm going to hold my tongue but your attitude fucking floors me on this...perhaps it will bite you in the ass (no pun intended) sometime in the future.
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Frackal
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I'm going to have to give up on this... Dcup was right...a sheeple is a sheeple is a sheeple and there is no arguing with sheeples.
I've exhuasted myself trying to show my point... you guys like to get all excited about government oppression! Well embrace it, because you'll be reaping it with that attitude!
I've exhuasted myself trying to show my point... you guys like to get all excited about government oppression! Well embrace it, because you'll be reaping it with that attitude!
Testosterone boy
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Yeah you best give up. Cause you have not the first clue to what you are mumbing on about.
How many former Waco members are in jail? How many? Arresting the ones who left was nothing more than the first step to detainment. Which is necessary without violating their rights. Until they had conclusive evidence, they were not letting anyone walk. Again, how many are in jail now? What? You think they were going to walk out of there and not be detained. Your youth and inexperience is showing. So... just like I said, when everything was said and done, they walked away free. Unless of course you can convince me any are still in jail.
ATF didn't serve the warrant? Maybe because they were not allowed in or Mr. Spiritual Guidance didn't come out.
So our ATF boys ran in, shot up the children, burned the bodies, and then what? Why were those children there in the first place?
Regarding "lifestyle" from dictionary.com:
lifestyle
n : a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes [syn: life style, life-style, modus vivendi]
So what were you saying about their "lifestyle"? Living there does not constitute a lifestyle. How do you get a "manner of living that reflects THE PERSON'S values and attitudes"? You make choices. Did they make choices? No. Their choices were made for them. They had NO LIFESTYLE. You are stumbling over this and not realizing what the word means. They were living David's LIFESTYLE. Not their own. They had NONE. They were mental slaves. This man took them - and this is from some of their OWN accounts - he seized all their assets. They liquidated their LIFESTYLE and he took control of the money. They HAD to stay there because they had no money, no where to go. These are the ones who left. Kind of smart huh? They lived. The others were completely in brainwashed servitude to this man. You mean to tell me seriously that they didn't think for one minute the ATF boys were going to drop their asses when they picked up weapons against them? Once they started squeezing that trigger, they lost their innocence.
Rather than trying to convince us that our gov't was wrong and murderous, why don't you convince us that these people were innocent and law abiding?
How many former Waco members are in jail? How many? Arresting the ones who left was nothing more than the first step to detainment. Which is necessary without violating their rights. Until they had conclusive evidence, they were not letting anyone walk. Again, how many are in jail now? What? You think they were going to walk out of there and not be detained. Your youth and inexperience is showing. So... just like I said, when everything was said and done, they walked away free. Unless of course you can convince me any are still in jail.
ATF didn't serve the warrant? Maybe because they were not allowed in or Mr. Spiritual Guidance didn't come out.
So our ATF boys ran in, shot up the children, burned the bodies, and then what? Why were those children there in the first place?
Regarding "lifestyle" from dictionary.com:
lifestyle
n : a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes [syn: life style, life-style, modus vivendi]
So what were you saying about their "lifestyle"? Living there does not constitute a lifestyle. How do you get a "manner of living that reflects THE PERSON'S values and attitudes"? You make choices. Did they make choices? No. Their choices were made for them. They had NO LIFESTYLE. You are stumbling over this and not realizing what the word means. They were living David's LIFESTYLE. Not their own. They had NONE. They were mental slaves. This man took them - and this is from some of their OWN accounts - he seized all their assets. They liquidated their LIFESTYLE and he took control of the money. They HAD to stay there because they had no money, no where to go. These are the ones who left. Kind of smart huh? They lived. The others were completely in brainwashed servitude to this man. You mean to tell me seriously that they didn't think for one minute the ATF boys were going to drop their asses when they picked up weapons against them? Once they started squeezing that trigger, they lost their innocence.
Rather than trying to convince us that our gov't was wrong and murderous, why don't you convince us that these people were innocent and law abiding?
AAP said:
neither do you.
Not all that relevant against the number that are dead, which is a permanent sentence. Your questions is analogous to asking how many people the Germans jailed in WW2, as the smoke rises over the jail.
So "guilty until proven innocent" is the new standard, then? Or are you trying to say that this was an investigative, fact-finding approach? I can't tell.
And your predilection to accept what you are spoon-fed is equally visible. Most of them are dead. In the temporal plane, they did not get away free.
Your knowledge of legal issues as pertaining to warrants is near zero.
While Koresh's spiritual/mental/cult hold over them is a nice conversation topic for the lobotomized CNN watchers among us, it means precisely dick concerning legal issues. The warrant was not issued for this behavior.
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DcupSheepNipples
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This thread sums it all up! After a full review of this thread, I can honestly say the "Sheeple" are fucked in this point of time! Unfortunately for me, no matter how hard I try or whatever information I share, I will still go down with the "Ship!" Intelligence, information and Intel can not defeat the imbedded brainwashed views of the sheeple if they can’t "Open" their minds and "See" what is happening!
It's a shame individuals can not think outside what they have been told or taught! There are so many things within the Bubble Universe you will never understand! But even knowing a few things may help you! To not be able to look past ones life and to realize what the future will bring is an intellectual crime! You do not even need to know the future to realize that the course is set, short of a rise up of the Sheeple! Right or wrong Waco and other events are not the "Point!"
The point is that they are hints for the Sheeple to realize that the laws of Mother Nature affect Mankind, which will complete the GNWO, which leads to a horrific life in the future! If you don't care about yourself at least care about your children, great grandchildren or mankind it’s self! What is the purpose of "Life" if you do not have true Liberty or Freedom!
Right now you have a choice not to care, but in the future the generations that come after you will not have a choice in the future you have allowed to come and torture their living "Souls!"
It's a shame individuals can not think outside what they have been told or taught! There are so many things within the Bubble Universe you will never understand! But even knowing a few things may help you! To not be able to look past ones life and to realize what the future will bring is an intellectual crime! You do not even need to know the future to realize that the course is set, short of a rise up of the Sheeple! Right or wrong Waco and other events are not the "Point!"
The point is that they are hints for the Sheeple to realize that the laws of Mother Nature affect Mankind, which will complete the GNWO, which leads to a horrific life in the future! If you don't care about yourself at least care about your children, great grandchildren or mankind it’s self! What is the purpose of "Life" if you do not have true Liberty or Freedom!
Right now you have a choice not to care, but in the future the generations that come after you will not have a choice in the future you have allowed to come and torture their living "Souls!"
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