Var or T-bol

[awittyusername]

What would be better for someone who has done 1 var cycle? (diet and training in check for yrs BF 12%)

8 week 55mg var cutter (hopefully some lean muscle)

or

4 week 50 mg T-bol cutter (hopefully some lean muscle)

Money is not an issue. (I know var is more)

I think the longer var cycle will lose more fat. However, cutting a little a harder on the T-bol may be just as good and 4 weeks less.????

 

[DieselGunz]

I am doing both, but for the money I would have to go with Tbol

 

[awittyusername]

I am doing both, but for the money I would have to go with Tbol

Sorry I edited it for the price.

How are you running both?

 

[mookie]

I have done var many of times on tbol right now about 2.5 weeks in have to admit pretty impressed by it. Great strength gains gained some weight but I am on npp and test cyp also. I would do the var 8 weeks and a good diet you should see good results.

 

[DIVISION]

awittynugganame rises from the ashes......

turinabol over anavar........ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.......UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

Thanks for playing.







DIV

 

[KOArtist]

So which would you pick for strength gains only? Tbol still? I thought Var was my holy grail, as a boxer who needs to stay in a weight class, but hell, Tbols so much cheaper and supposedly somewhat similar. However, I've heard people complain sometimes of little/minimal strength gain from it. Is this true??

 

[chase152]

Tbol!!!!!!

 

[mookie]

So which would you pick for strength gains only? Tbol still? I thought Var was my holy grail, as a boxer who needs to stay in a weight class, but hell, Tbols so much cheaper and supposedly somewhat similar. However, I've heard people complain sometimes of little/minimal strength gain from it. Is this true??

I have used var before many bouts on tbol right now for boxing I would use the var. You put weight on with tbol with var you don't I tell you what you gain strength with tbol thats for sure kicks in alot faster than var.

 

[KOArtist]

Hmmm. Tough decision now. I can actually afford to gain about 10 lbs , since Cruiserweight is almost universally bumped up to 200lbs now, so maybe I'll save some $$$ and try Tbol this time, and then go back to var for any cycles after that. Hell, Tbols so much cheaper than var, I'll just spend some of the savings on some Trex/Lrex, and maybe it'll all even out, lol.

 

[fonixer]

You know me It's TBOL all day everyday

 

[Bruce]

bro if you are a boxer i would use var. roy jones was known for using var to stay at weight for middleweight especially. i used to fight at lightweight but now i would be supermiddle and its been a while. but i would go with var cause i would want my joints and tendons stronger which var will do. if you aint gettin tested go with deca though cause of how lubed your shit will be.

 

[PussyWhipped]

turinabol over anavar........ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.......UNTIL THE END OF TIME.



DIV

Why?

cost/benefit?
better muscle gains?
better fat burner?

 

[PussyWhipped]

I have used var before many bouts on tbol right now for boxing I would use the var. You put weight on with tbol with var you don't I tell you what you gain strength with tbol thats for sure kicks in alot faster than var.

is it lean muscle weight (ie a better muscle builder at comparable dosage?), or some water/fat (which it's not supposed to promote according to the writeups)?

 

[cornfish]

I'm seeing allot of folks that are interested in taking Tbol and they are going with Tbol 4 weeks and then following up with Var or Winny.

For those of you with experience with Tbol, is it even a good idea to follow up with var? Why do you think the trend is looking like Tbol (wks 1-4) Var (wks 5-12)?

Just wanted to get some opinions since i haven't seen it explained yet.

thanks,
cornfish

 

[PussyWhipped]

I'm seeing allot of folks that are interested in taking Tbol and they are going with Tbol 4 weeks and then following up with Var or Winny.

For those of you with experience with Tbol, is it even a good idea to follow up with var? Why do you think the trend is looking like Tbol (wks 1-4) Var (wks 5-12)?

Just wanted to get some opinions since i haven't seen it explained yet.

thanks,
cornfish

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[vio]

I figure I'll do tbol 1-4 and anavar 3-10. Tbol kicks is so fast acting.

 

[Bozwell]

Dose tbol help streanthen your joints and tendons like var dose?

 

[DieselGunz]

That is what I am doing I am going to kick start with 3 weeks of Tbol.

Then follow up with Var for the next 8-10 weeks.

All with paper...............

Diet is going to be on point, this is my first cycle so we will see what it will do for me.

I am going to start a log when I start.....ETA- june 1, 2005

LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!

 

[soxfan]

The only problem you may have with tbol as a boxer is that it may sap your stamina a little bit and cause some lethargy. These effects are not as pronounced as those of dbol but they are still present, at least they are for me.

 

[KOArtist]

I think I'll run Tbol & Var together week 1-4 (maybe 30mg tbol/20mg var?), and then var only for another 4 or 5 weeks @ 40mg/day.

 

[DieselGunz]

That is a idea but being this is my first cycle I am going to do things seperate to see how i react to each substance.

 

[vio]

Dose tbol help streanthen your joints and tendons like var dose?

I can assure you it will NOT!
I ripped a tendon while on tbol and winstrol. After only 3 weeks, and doing 10 reps.

 

[DIVISION]

I can assure you it will NOT!
I ripped a tendon while on tbol and winstrol. After only 3 weeks, and doing 10 reps.

So why are you blaming the Turinabol?

For all you know it could have been your training or the Winstrol?

Don't assume it was the Turinabol unless you were only on Turinabol.....

Kids like you give Turinabol a bad name.

I HATE YOU!








DIV

 

[DIVISION]

Why?

cost/benefit?
better muscle gains?
better fat burner?

Anything is cheaper than Anavar.......you should already know that, nugga.

Turinabol is a kindler, gentler version of D-bol.....

Anavar and Turinabol both have a harderining effect on the physique, but to call them fat burners are a reach.






DIV

 

[vio]

So why are you blaming the Turinabol?

For all you know it could have been your training or the Winstrol?

Don't assume it was the Turinabol unless you were only on Turinabol.....

Kids like you give Turinabol a bad name.

I HATE YOU!

DIV

I actually assume that it was the winstrol. However, tbol didn't help. I bet it did pretty much nothing to/for my tendons.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Anything is cheaper than Anavar

Primo is more

 

[fonixer]

So why are you blaming the Turinabol?

For all you know it could have been your training or the Winstrol?

Don't assume it was the Turinabol unless you were only on Turinabol.....

Kids like you give Turinabol a bad name.

I HATE YOU!
DIV

K To you

 

[mendo]

I've run two cycles of Tbol. The first was with test E, the second was Tbol only. I was concerned about libido issues without test...but it actually boosted it. Gains were all lean. Tbol is great...except for 2 things:

1) There is no good injectable form.

2) Gains slow WAY down after about 3 weeks or so

 

[Samson2012]

What did you see in the way of keepable gains out of such a short period of growth?

 

[mendo]

What did you see in the way of keepable gains out of such a short period of growth?

around 10 lean lbs...give or take. Thats on 60 mg/day. The Tbol only cycle was actually for 5 weeks...the gains slowed after the 3rd week...and I started to cut at week 5 (added clen...cut carbs).

 

[vio]

I wonder how it would be to use it like the german athletes did: 2 weeks on (20mg ED), 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on...

 

[chase152]

This is no bullshit. Maybe it's my genes I don't know, but I've added 10 lbs. ( just weighed myslef ) in a week and 1 day. That is with a bit of fat loss it seems. Tbol only cycle too.

50mg ed / 1 10mg tab every 3-4 hours....

Seriously think this shit is like magic...... I'm sore as shit though.....

 

[Samson2012]

This is no bullshit. Maybe it's my genes I don't know, but I've added 10 lbs. ( just weighed myslef ) in a week and 1 day. That is with a bit of fat loss it seems. Tbol only cycle too.

50mg ed / 1 10mg tab every 3-4 hours....

Seriously think this shit is like magic...... I'm sore as shit though.....

That is freaking amazing!... What about other effects?... Strength?... Sleeping ok? any other noticeable effects?

 

[chase152]

Strength is up..... I wake up alot though. Wake up about 5 times each night. No biggy though. I sleep for an hour or two after every workout so I make up for the sleep lost.

No bad sides though, well besides the sleep.....

 

[vio]

I gained weight extremely fast too! First 2 weeks I was up more than 5kgs/11lbs. No strengt gain.

 

[KOArtist]

11lbs of weight gain and NO strength gain? Shit. Definitely not a drug for a boxer it seems, at least not by itself. I'm still gonna eat some of it though.

 

[howzer22x]

What kinda PCT is needed for Tbol?

 

[mendo]

What kinda PCT is needed for Tbol?

PCT was super basic for me. For my Tbol only cycle: Started Nolva the day after my last doses...40 mg for a week, then 20mg for 2 weeks. Recovery was smooth. At week 4, a blood test showed my natural test level was back to where it was pre cycle.

 

[howzer22x]

Wow, I wonder if you could use Clomid only for PCT as well since Tbol isn't supposed to aromatize any?

 

[mendo]

Wow, I wonder if you could use Clomid only for PCT as well since Tbol isn't supposed to aromatize any?

I'm sure you could. I prefer Nolva personally...don't like the emotional crap from Clomid. Plus Nolva is stronger. I'm also a strong believer in HCG during a cycle, and I would have used it if it was longer than 5 weeks.

 

[PussyWhipped]

anyone else seeing these kind of great lean gains off 50-60 mgs tbol?