Using Winny?

[jilleysu]

Hi Everyone,
I am new here. I have just finished a 6 week cycle of winny. I was taking about 1/2cc per week. How long should I wait in between cycles. I had no side affects at all. Any tips for diet. I did my diet all wrong this last time. Also I am going in for breast surgery this friday, so obviously I am going to tell my anesthiaologist that I finished my cycle about 2 weeks ago. Do you think I will be all set in that aspect?
Obviously dieting is the key when using this stuff. Should I be taking more dosage amount. I am 5'9 and 140lbs. Need to lose last 10lbs. Also taking Adipo Kinetix. How much cardio should I be doing? Just need some tips. Thanks

 

[Star]

Why are you going to tell the doctor??? It'll do nothing for you. As far as what you want to accomplish.....winny is all wrong. Winny is a cutter for MEN.....on women it tends to have a completely opposite effect and adds bulk. The sides were not apparent because this was your first cycle of it but I GUARANTEE you will notice sides if you do it again and you will not like what you notice.....You will almost definately be disappointed in the results. I suggest you do a search on Anavar. Sounds more like what you are looking for.

Star

 

[flex4life]

ditto Star...
leave the Dr out of your BB fun. Has nothing to do with your breasts- at least that's not where I gained from it.

 

[Star]

Flex

ROTFLMAO!

Star

 

[Sassy69]

How were your results from your winny cycle? I didn't get much of anything from the one I did. Certainly didn't lean out. I don't know your build, but at 5'9", 140 ain't that bad. (I'm 5'7" - competed at 133 lbs and was miserable trying to maintain that weight - felt like a bag of bones, 8-9% bf - but I do have some muscle !)

(the following is based on assumption of "breast augmentation surgery" - if this is wrong, please disregard...! Else if you need more info www.implantinfo.com is a great site)

The surgery will put you down at least for a couple of weeks. And expect to be bloated from the anesthesia for about a week and a half. Take fiber every night to help with that. Don' t know if you are getting "unders" or "overs" - unders will take about a month to recover from as far as being comfortable to move around. So just take it easy there. Though you could probably do low impact cardio about a week or two later w/o problems. Mostly just watch your diet while you are healing! Also if you take the painkillers for even a few days after the surgery you can probably expect a few days to a week's worth of depression once you get the painkillers out of your system - about 1-2 weeks later.
That part sucks too - but just hit the gym or something to work around it!

Otherwise, I'd guess you shouldn't have too much trouble dropping 10 lbs (if your body can support that) by very clean diet and some extra cardio. The diet will screw up everything if it isn't clean. AS won't do much if the diet isn't there. (Been there done that...)

Wish you luck on this & your surgery!

 

[thebabydoc]

just my .02; but DO TELL YOUR DOCTOR (anesthesiologist) because there may be some things he needs to consider when chosing the meds he's gonna use to put and keep you under.

thebabydoc

 

[Phemomena]

just my .02; but DO TELL YOUR DOCTOR (anesthesiologist) because there may be some things he needs to consider when chosing the meds he's gonna use to put and keep you under.

thebabydoc

i was going to say the same thing, after all it isn't like this is your family doctor, its someone who will be operating on you and you'll follow up with... probably a cosmetic surgeon... i'm sure they've heard A LOT worse and it's always in your best interest to let them know...

 

[Star]

She has finished the cycle. They take into consideration medication you are STILL on that's STILL in your system. Body weight, tolerance..yada yada. Telling him you have done a cycle in the past will do NO good and depending on his views probably make you look pretty bad in his eyes.

Star

 

[Phemomena]

She has finished the cycle. They take into consideration medication you are STILL on that's STILL in your system. Body weight, tolerance..yada yada. Telling him you have done a cycle in the past will do NO good and depending on his views probably make you look pretty bad in his eyes.

Star

some AS have a long half life and stay in the body for weeks after the last dose (i'm not sure on the half life of winny to be honest, but i'm sure its more than a week.)

I think most medical professionals will respect the fact that you value your health enough to be honest with them... i mean you don't just call up your doctor and tell them "hey i just finished my cycle last week" for the hell of it... that's stupid and none of their business, but if you are going into surgery it is in your best interest to tell them what substances you have put in your body in the past week or two...to me it just makes sense... if she had finished a month ago or so it might be less relevant...

i'm no medical professional, but there are interactions that can be very serious and i'd want anyone who was cutting me open to be well aware so they can take any necessary precautions...

 

[Phemomena]

okay, correct that... did some research and winny half life is not that long (more like 30 hours or something), but i'd still be cautious about it...

 

[Star]

Oh and one more thing to remember.....After your surgery YOU WILL WEIGH MORE. You have to take into account the weight of the breast plants. So if after you recover and get back to normal your scale says you weigh 2 or 3 lbs more (personally I would throw the scale away) Don't freak out.....it's a small price to pay for the ta-ta's no?

Star

 

[jilleysu]

thanks but...

Thanks for all the info. However I have gotten mixed messages. I have heard if my diet is totally clean and use light weight and low reps, I would totally get the results I am looking for with Winny. Isn't anavar simply less strong and more expensive. As for staying in the system 30 hours, wouldn't this mean, I would have to take it every 4 to 5 days to get the true effects?
As for the breast surgery, I already am aware of the after affects. I already went thru the first surgery 3 months ago, this is a touch up. The only reason I wanted to tell the doctor is due to the anesthia. Just to be on the safe side for when they are monitoring me. Thanks for the info on the dieting and meds. I wondered why last time, I felt so fat and depressed for days after. I was back in the gym about a week later doing legs and cardio only. After this surgery, I had planned to do another cycle and pump up the cardio. I guess the key until then is to watch the diet while I am recovering. For the first days, I ate only popsicles and crackers and ginger ale...then I wanted to eat everything in site. Any tips for what to eat while I can't work out. I guess just salad and things of that nature. You guys gave me alot of info...Thanks so much.

 

[jilleysu]

oops

Sorry meant low weight and high reps on the message above.
As for the winny cycle. It gave me alot of strength during and since i have stopped, I have noticed much more definition due to the clean dieting, extra water intake and cardio.
Thanks again

 

[Sassy69]

As far as what to eat while not training maybe just watch the carbs a little more than usual. Still need good quality protein & fats! To maintain, calories in = calories out!

 

[wilson6]

winny, Adipo Kinetix and surgery

Winny can affect clotting factors and bleeding. The effects may persist for a period after you stop the drug. However, winny is not your major concern here.

Adipo Kinetix contains norepi, yohimbe, theophylline and caffeine. All of these can affect blood pressure, electrical activity of the heart and responses to anesthetics. The combination of stimulants esp. theophylline and/or ephedrine and anesthetics can be deadly. Any competent anesthesiologist will tell you to get off ALL thermogenics 3 weeks prior to surgery. In addition, if the product or another product contains willow bark or any aspirin like compound, then you'll increase the risk of bleeding which the winny may enhance further. Just because the winny is out of the system in a few days doesn't mean that it's effects on liver proteins and clotting factors goes away as quickly.

A friend of mine was taking a thermogenic (ripped fuel), didn't tell her doc, when in for breast augmentation and coded in the OR (her heart stopped). Luckily they brought her back. The anesthesiologist was very upset that she didn't tell her about the thermogenic as that was the casuative agent when combined with the anesthetic.

Tell them about the thermogenic, do what you want regarding the Winny.

Also, get yourself a secure email. AOL is an open book to the world and not a server that you want to discuss sensitive issues on.

W6

 

[Star]

Actually if you do a search you will find that the consensus on Winny for women is pretty much the same. You seem to be the type who will have to learn by example. I too learned the hard way and I wish every day that I could take it back. Hope you are the one that's different but I urge you not to find out. You don't notice the effects with the first cycle but after.....

Star

 

[BigEasy]

I'm inviting flames here, I know. But...

1.) If you have been off of winny more than 10-12 days ago (injectable) and assuming that it was a quality product, DO NOT TELL. Not sure where you are located but in Canada, US, and US posessions, the doctor WILL probably note you as a steroid abuser in his records. If that doesn't concern you now, it probably will when you try and get life insurance or US health insurance. I know of two cases where a health policy had coverage limits applied for a time due to 'drug abuse!' I also know that life insurance companies rightfull feel that you are at an increased risk of blood borne pathogens if you inject yourself with illegal steroids. Your medical records will be released at some point to someone and they will carry that note about steroids. The doctor would be putting himself at great risk of malpractise liability and loss of coverage for malpractise if he did not note your 'abuse' or 'non-theraputic' use of steroids.

2.) The advise on the adipo-K may or may not be correct as I am unsure if Syntrax has changed formulations again. The bottle of Adipok that I have does not have theophyline in it, however my Lipok does. Also, the blood thinning props of the salicalates(sic) in willow bark and aspirin largely go away after about 36 hours in most people. But you should still tell surgeon/docs.

3.) The diet is going to be the main ingredient to not gaining while down for recovery with whatever limited cardio you can do. Isocaloric diets are okay while the workouts are good, but most women find that reducing carbs while increasing proteins to be advantagous. Don't cut the carbs completely, but make sure that the ones you do are not sugary or refined like bread/wheat. The best would be the fibreous carbs like green leafys, broccoli, cauliflower, yellow/green squash and cabbages.

4.) Winny does tend to have a more profound muscle building affect for MOST women, but not all. And anavar is known for its hardening properties in women. Because Anavar is less androgenic than winny, it is generally considered a 'cutting' steroid for women. However, it does NOT cut fat. It does make muscle stronger, denser, and at sufficient doses larger. It is actually stronger than winny for a given dose, which is why you use less of it on a mg per mg.


This free advise is worth every penny just paid.


BE

 

[Star]

Well said BIGE (clapping). If you would like a list of the problems that I developed due to winny I will be more than happy to discuss it with you. PM me.

Star

 

[CherryPie]

Wow, touch up only after 3 months.

Anyways,

Do tell about the thermos, they will tell you too stop taking all meds 3 days prior to the surgery.
*No need to tell about the winny.

 

[jilleysu]

Thanks Everyone
If Anavar is the way to go, that is next. You guys obviously know. I am just soo frustrated over the last 10lbs. I need an easy 123 diet low on the carbs, and I just cant find the right combo. I know it doesn't come over night, but any suggestions on what is a good day of scheduled food. I like small frequent meals.
As for the adipo and MM4, I stopped taking it monday and have been hydrating extra with water and cranberry to flush out. I will talk with my patient coordinator again though just to remind her. Thanks for all the straight forward answers. Star, I sent you a pm, but don't know if you got it. Iw ould like to hear about the winny and any dieting suggestions. I will live on salad until I can pick up the cardio again. Last time, it as only about 10 days until I could get back on the treadmill. Talk to you guys soon.

 

[Star]

Nope no PM.......

Star

 

[BigEasy]

Why the touch-up?

Jilleysu,
Did you have a stricture? If so, the following may not apply. You may wish to ask the surgeon if he will give you a script for Anavar to aid in post surgery healing!! Explain to him that you are familiar with it's pro-wound healing properties, and that you would like him to script 5mg 2x/day. If he looks at you sideways tell him that this is acceptable therapy for a person that relies on their physique for a living and refer him to the following Medscape.com article: The Influence of the Anabolic Agent, Oxandrolone, Upon the Expression of Procollagen Types I and III mRNA in Human Fibroblasts Cultured on Collagen or Plastic pub. by, G.C. Saggers, BS;1 G.M. Allison, BS;1 H. Levinson, MD; T. Kramer, MD;2, D.R. Mackay, MD;1 H.P. Ehrlich, PhD1, From the 1Wound Healing Laboratory, Division of Plastic Surgery, Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, Pennsylvania; and 2Bio-Technology General Corp., Iselin, New Jersey

The upshot of this cutting edge article/study is that anavar DOES exhibit pro-healing collagen deposition. In the past this was considered anectdotal and was blown off by the average <non-wound specialist> surgeon. There is some neat research there that shows that the collagen surrounding the plastic will not experience an increase like the other wounded area!!!

<Sorry if this isn't neat stuff to you, for a research nerd it's pretty cool. Your doc will be impressed with your research. Hold your ground and demand the anavar, he'll geek, eventually. Tell him you have friends overseas that have had this treatment without problem.

But, if he won't go along, I would not recommend using the anivar on your own until you are 100% healed. That will probably be 3-6 MONTHS!! I know it will be tough, but you will survive!! You will probably need to be monitored for stricture formation...

Also, don't live on just salads after surgery!! Add in lean chicken, beef, salmon and occasional tuna. You need the good fats, protein, and some high vit c, low glycemic fruits. These include strawberrys, kiwi, blueberrys, tomatoe, and grapefruit. Vitamin C has been shown to enhance the deposition of collagen in cultured fibroblasts.

bE

 

[jilleysu]

Post- Surgery

Hey Everyone,
Surgery went well. Didn't get on to read replies until just now, so only got the vicodin for meds. It is really bloating me out, so trying to keep off it. Feel like a fat pig right now. I know I am still swollen and the meds are causing this, but hate. Hate the soarness more, but each day gets easier. I had no complications and the only side effect is that I am soooo tired.
For two days, I could only have a small snack with my meds. I had granola or crackers. Today is the first day I had breakfast and lunch. Doing ok, but feel sooooo depressed not going to the gym. Absolutely hate that part. I guess I shouldn't push though. I have alot more stitches this time. Thanks for all the advice. Things going well.