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ULTER, share ou views on HRT with us....

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X Man

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i dont think i everread the first thread where you said you were starting hrt or if there even was one...?

BUT:

1. what made you want to go on hrt?
2. at what point did you decide hrt was going to be your route?
3. do you have a scrip for it and doest your doctor check up on you regularily?
4. do you think you have a better quality of life, by keeping your test levels higher as you get older, despite the fact that everyone else is getting lower?


just a few questions i always wondered about and i figured some of the other board members would be interested as well...
 
1. what made you want to go on hrt?

I have naturally low test. When I went to see Dr Scruggs who ran a steroid clinic in Cal he gave me test/deca for 8 weeks. After the 8 weeks I asked him if I needed to do PCT and come off for 8 weeks. He said, why do you want to come off? I didn't have an answer. So I stayed on with him for a couple years and then just got used to it, and now I do it on my own.

2. at what point did you decide hrt was going to be your route?

See above

3. do you have a scrip for it and doest your doctor check up on you regularily?

Yes I do. I don't always use it but I have it. I check up on myself regularly.

4. do you think you have a better quality of life, by keeping your test levels higher as you get older, despite the fact that everyone else is getting lower?

Betchurass I do. I hadn't trained in over two months due to tearing my bicep tendon off and having it reattached. I hadn't done cardio in two years. I started doing cardio and did it for 4 weeks. I ran a 10k at Disney on Sunday and finished in the top half. Most people my age would have died trying that. I don't look or feel anywhere near my age and I attribute that to AS and GH. And Mom and Dad for giving me good genetics. :)


just a few questions i always wondered about and i figured some of the other board members would be interested as well...
 
Ulter, I've been a patient of Dr. Scruggs since '99..........just spoke with him yesterday.........good to hear you've used him as well.


Ulter said:
1. what made you want to go on hrt?

I have naturally low test. When I went to see Dr Scruggs who ran a steroid clinic in Cal he gave me test/deca for 8 weeks. After the 8 weeks I asked him if I needed to do PCT and come off for 8 weeks. He said, why do you want to come off? I didn't have an answer. So I stayed on with him for a couple years and then just got used to it, and now I do it on my own.

2. at what point did you decide hrt was going to be your route?

See above

3. do you have a scrip for it and doest your doctor check up on you regularily?

Yes I do. I don't always use it but I have it. I check up on myself regularly.

4. do you think you have a better quality of life, by keeping your test levels higher as you get older, despite the fact that everyone else is getting lower?

Betchurass I do. I hadn't trained in over two months due to tearing my bicep tendon off and having it reattached. I hadn't done cardio in two years. I started doing cardio and did it for 4 weeks. I ran a 10k at Disney on Sunday and finished in the top half. Most people my age would have died trying that. I don't look or feel anywhere near my age and I attribute that to AS and GH. And Mom and Dad for giving me good genetics. :)


just a few questions i always wondered about and i figured some of the other board members would be interested as well...
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just wondering whether some of you guys (especially under 30) considering HRT actually have low natural test or whether you call a long low dose cycle "HRT". i'm also wondering exactly what that "low dose" is.

ulter, what's your dosage like?
 
Jesus...awesome thread.

You know, i'm only 30, and am by no means an expert on HRT, but whenever I read users ask about it, older men using AAS, I always refer them to read some of Ulter's old posts both here and at AF. I always wonder if they really do take the time to read it.

This post has been a long time coming. I've learned a lot from Ulter, but perhaps the biggest thing has been to prepare myself for later HRT use. Everybody thought Dan Duchaine was crazy when he stated "why come off" in a MM2K article. He was dead on in that comment. A smart AAS user can have a better, healthier life if they know what they are doing...which is definately not hard to do. Ulter is living proof.

BMJ
 
you have low endo test mike?
the reason why i wanted to bring up that point was that i've ocasionally come across normal healthy guys asking about HRT when they really don't need it - they basically want to be on for a long time... also, the dosages they refer to as being "HRT" are sometimes high enough to be a full blown cycle.
 
silver_shadow said:
just wondering whether some of you guys (especially under 30) considering HRT actually have low natural test or whether you call a long low dose cycle "HRT". i'm also wondering exactly what that "low dose" is.

ulter, what's your dosage like?
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I'm not considering HRT, the doc actually put me on HRT. I have no choice, if I want to be back to normal, I gotta take 200mg/cc of test cyp every other week. I have bloodwork and a follow up in 5 weeks to see if he needs to up the dosage or decrease it depending on how I react. I started juicing when I was 24, and most of time followed pct properly. and neve got out of control with dosages or lenghts of cycles. my test level is 125, the norm is anywhere from 200-800, but more like 300-400. This was one of the factors in recent end of my 6 year relationship with my woman. :sad:
 
gyumpin said:
I'm not considering HRT, the doc actually put me on HRT. I have no choice, if I want to be back to normal, I gotta take 200mg/cc of test cyp every other week. I have bloodwork and a follow up in 5 weeks to see if he needs to up the dosage or decrease it depending on how I react. I started juicing when I was 24, and most of time followed pct properly. and neve got out of control with dosages or lenghts of cycles. my test level is 125, the norm is anywhere from 200-800, but more like 300-400. This was one of the factors in recent end of my 6 year relationship with my woman. :sad:
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ya bro, i'm not pin pointing anyone... i fully understand that there are guys even in their 20s with low test who DO need HRT. the guys i'm refering to are those who DON'T need it but want to do it.
 
Yeah, I got tested right before I turned 21 because I was, and had always been, experiencing symptoms of low test (fatigue, no energy, no libido, low muscle mass), results came back at 280ish .. :(

Now i'm on 200mg/test wk
 
silver_shadow said:
just wondering whether some of you guys (especially under 30) considering HRT actually have low natural test or whether you call a long low dose cycle "HRT". i'm also wondering exactly what that "low dose" is.

ulter, what's your dosage like?
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Right now they are a little high because I am trying to get my size back. Test 500mg, NPP 400mg, eq 500mg
That's not my high cycle, it's just my high HRT dosing. I will add Tren to that in January when I have the green light to train at full strength again. Right now I am using half of my normal weights.
 
Ulter said:
Right now they are a little high because I am trying to get my size back. Test 500mg, NPP 400mg, eq 500mg
That's not my high cycle, it's just my high HRT dosing. I will add Tren to that in January when I have the green light to train at full strength again. Right now I am using half of my normal weights.
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1. thank you very much ulter for ur insight... you are a true inspiration to the board, and i know i can always count on you for not only advice but having it be scientifically based..for the most part that is.lol

2. the thread wasnt limited to just ulter.. i just put him in the title because he was the only one who i particularily remeber posting about how he was on hrt. im glad to see other have chimed in.
3. not saying that long term and heavy steroid use is good in anyway...but it almost seems to me like hrt/gh isnt exactly the fountain of youth, but certainly a way to keep yourself feeling young, and able to allow you to do things that most people wouldnt at an "older" age wouldnt be able to do!
 
Ulter said:
Yes I used Cardio Breeze. I wouldn't even think about trying it without it
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...don't forget the EQ (fading whisper)


LOL ...im just teasing you ulter ...but seriously, i am curious though, how do you control the ill effects of AAS, on say, lipids, if you never come off? ...or are they even any worth noting?

what are your staple supplements? ...and why?
 
Ulter said:
1. what made you want to go on hrt?

I have naturally low test. When I went to see Dr Scruggs who ran a steroid clinic in Cal he gave me test/deca for 8 weeks. After the 8 weeks I asked him if I needed to do PCT and come off for 8 weeks. He said, why do you want to come off? I didn't have an answer. So I stayed on with him for a couple years and then just got used to it, and now I do it on my own.

2. at what point did you decide hrt was going to be your route?

See above

3. do you have a scrip for it and doest your doctor check up on you regularily?

Yes I do. I don't always use it but I have it. I check up on myself regularly.

4. do you think you have a better quality of life, by keeping your test levels higher as you get older, despite the fact that everyone else is getting lower?

Betchurass I do. I hadn't trained in over two months due to tearing my bicep tendon off and having it reattached. I hadn't done cardio in two years. I started doing cardio and did it for 4 weeks. I ran a 10k at Disney on Sunday and finished in the top half. Most people my age would have died trying that. I don't look or feel anywhere near my age and I attribute that to AS and GH. And Mom and Dad for giving me good genetics. :)


just a few questions i always wondered about and i figured some of the other board members would be interested as well...
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good job :) what was your time? I hope I never have to run 10 miles
 
Ulter said:
Yes I used Cardio Breeze. I wouldn't even think about trying it without it.
I'm 50. My pic is in my gallery. I'm about 20 pounds light in the pic from not being able to train.
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Dude you dont look a day older than 40.

Im 35 and considering HRT, cant decide if I should wait till 40 or not. My g/f ( and hopefully future wife ) doesent like steroids because her brother did an assload of them when he was a competitive bodybuilder and has since let his body go to shit ( i.e. same weight, all fat now ). I hide my occasional AAS cycles from her. But I think she could get used to HRT, er hope she could.
 
Thanks drrrman and kd1

Yes I would also not have been able to do this without the eq. I needed that too. For me the hardest part was getting up to run at 4:30am after going to bed at midnight. Without the Cardio Breeze I would have been toast.

Hey Pink! an hour.

TGS, I use Policosanol and Red Yeast Rice Extract but I don't really concern myself with my lipid profile. As long as my echostress is good I'm happy.
I take the following every day.

Glucorell
SesaPure
Tyler Liver Detox
ALCAR
Levorex
Neurogenex
Vit E
Omega 3 Fish
Flax
 
This is a great thread.
I have been working with and endo for over a year. Its killing me. I am tired all the time. I have zero sex drive. I have trouble maintaining size. I can't seem to drop fat like I used to. I am depressed etc.
My test levels have fluctuated between 430 and 302 ng/dl.
I am 33 soon to be 34.
My endo does not know a thing about AAS. I feel like I am giving a class about it when we talk.
I think I need to find a new Dr!!!
 
Ulter. I just checked your gallery. Great picture. I would have guessed mid to late 30's. Great job!!!
 
45 y/o, started HRT through an HRT doc, test cyp 200mg/wk. Felt great first six weeks, bf went way down, no bloat (thanks AIFM), libido went throught the roof, life was good. Next cycle 400 mg test cyp, 400 mg primo, serious cutting, got shredded, great results. Cycle #3 upped test to 500mg/wk, deca 400mg/wk, dbol kick start 25 mg ed. Deca shut me down hard and fast. My point? I think that older bodies probably repond quicker as far as sides. I did this same cycle 15 years ago with amazing results. Current cycle 500mg test, 600mg eq ew, three weeks in, feeling good, strnght and pumps just now starting to come on. I get blood tests every ten weeks.
 
silver_shadow said:
you have low endo test mike?
the reason why i wanted to bring up that point was that i've ocasionally come across normal healthy guys asking about HRT when they really don't need it - they basically want to be on for a long time... also, the dosages they refer to as being "HRT" are sometimes high enough to be a full blown cycle.
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Ditto here. I get sick of guys talking HRT when they are just looking for an excuse to get gear legally and do a wimpy cycle.

I have had low test all my life. Hit me really hard after a shoulder surgery a few years ago. I couldn't get back to where I was no matter how hard I trained. Knowing that low test runs in my family and that all sorts of nasty health problems go with it, I started with an endo. Took a while to find knowledgable docs, but I did. Now I have been on 100mg/wk of test for over 3 years. Usually a little gh also. My test numbers are always at the top of the range and all my other labs are perfect. Lipids, etc.

I am 100% for HRT now and have helped many "fix" their problems with it. Including females, who also can have low test!
 
Ulter said:
Right now they are a little high because I am trying to get my size back. Test 500mg, NPP 400mg, eq 500mg
That's not my high cycle, it's just my high HRT dosing. I will add Tren to that in January when I have the green light to train at full strength again. Right now I am using half of my normal weights.
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ulter a lil high?test 500mg,npp400mg,eq500mg wow u should be off the charts hehe that a full blown cycle,quote thats not my high cycle,just my high hrt dosing??am i reading this wrong because thats way out of ordinary high dosages for hrt.but hey what ever works for ya .
 
thread of the week for sure!

i just had blood drawn this morning for endo tests.....before aas, i've also experienced all the symptoms of low test since college and my first cycle was definitely an eye opener as far as getting "back to normal"...i.e. energy, libido, body comp, MOOD, etc, etc.....

now i'm kinda hoping i might be a candidate for HRT.....i don't see any negatives about it.....i hope this thread continues to grow!!! i thirst for knowledge....
 
Damn Ulter - I have been talking to you for years and was invisioning someone who looked more like Paul Sr. from OCC - You look 15 years younger than your true age - Congrats.
 
Ulter said:
Thanks again Bros
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YES i will have a thread of the week i can feel it! ahah

would u rather take viagra or be on test? i personally would think running test would help you out all around much better then just viagra.. if we are talking about still banging like ur 18 at 50 yrs.what do you think ulter?
 
Ulter said:
Right now they are a little high because I am trying to get my size back. Test 500mg, NPP 400mg, eq 500mg
That's not my high cycle, it's just my high HRT dosing. I will add Tren to that in January when I have the green light to train at full strength again. Right now I am using half of my normal weights.
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My boyfriend will be 50 in March. He's running Test 500/EQ500 as well. Doing very well, feeling great, LOOKS great, and has more energy than guys in their 20's. :) He's def made me a believer in HRT.
 
X Man said:
YES i will have a thread of the week i can feel it! ahah

would u rather take viagra or be on test? i personally would think running test would help you out all around much better then just viagra.. if we are talking about still banging like ur 18 at 50 yrs.what do you think ulter?
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Test or Viagra is the question? Test is the answer. And not just because V gives me a headache. Test is the key to a long healthy sex life.


No problems making babies.
My sperm count is much higher when I use HCG for some reason. That's kind of a mystery to me because HMG mimic FSH which controls sperm count and HCG mimic's LH.
 
I guess my questions in this thread would be:

1) Does HRT at some point negate the bodies natural ability to produce these hormones? (some guys were low, so once on they can at some point never come off)

2) Are PCT's begin applied at interval times?

3) How many of you on HRT now were forced on because of AAS use/abuse?

Very informative thread.
 
1. No. I've been on my current cycle since July 2000. If I stopped tomorrow it would only be 4-6 months before my natural test came back and my LH and FSH function returned. Since my test has always been low I doubt it would come back higher.

2. Yes definately. If you're coming off for any period you have to use PCT.

3. Not me. AAS use/abuse doesn't force anyone on to HRT.
 
My doc said that many bro's do their first cycle when they are older and have low test. They feel so good they never come off, then when they do come off they feel they can't recover. When in reality, they were already low. I always preach getting labs before ever starting AAS. Then you'll know your baseline and can easily tell if you are recovered. I have one bro who's doc had him on anti-d's, (common move for docs) when he was actually low on test. When he got his test back to normal using trt, he no longer needed anti-d's.
 
My internal med doc tried tto give me anti-ds three times, before I went to a urologist and got my test levels checked. I kept telling the internal med doc that I wasn't depressed!
 
Ulter said:
1. No. I've been on my current cycle since July 2000. If I stopped tomorrow it would only be 4-6 months before my natural test came back and my LH and FSH function returned. Since my test has always been low I doubt it would come back higher.

2. Yes definately. If you're coming off for any period you have to use PCT.

3. Not me. AAS use/abuse doesn't force anyone on to HRT.
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Regarding LH/FSH levels....that's awesome to know that they rebound if you come off HRT. I just recently switched from gel to IM injections, and had bloodwork done prior to my first shot. Even though the gel was weak, it had still COMPLETELY turned off LH/FSH - my levels were ZERO. Since the doc was only hoping to keep me on this stuff for 8-12 months, I was also under the assumption that natty levels would stabilize again after coming off.

A bro has been telling me that it could be possible to shutdown your natty test production for good, but I've had a hard time finding medical proof of this. Does anyone have any other info about this?

In the end, I love my HRT. I suppose it wouldn't really bother me if I had to stay on this stuff continuously.
 
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