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UFC fans...how would Tyson do?
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lol@soft white heads
i've got lik3 423452345234562462456245623456 MMA fighters in the gym i train at and every single fucking time they see a boxer or football player or anyone bigger than them, i gotta hear about how they wouldn't last .00000000000009 of a second in a choke hold or arm bar. just saying.
Oceano said:
Why does it sound like that would be a turn on to you? Gay porn not enough, its gotta be violent too?
most of the guys here only remember him as an idiot fuck up. i remember him as a 17 y/o animal who was knocking out grow men like they were children. his last 10 years are going to define him, sadly. he should be remembered as a phenom, because no one ever, would have beaten him at his best.
Oceano said:
brush your teeth
b0und
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Is this a reincarnation of the Mike Tyson vs Ken Shamrock hypothetical? I thought we had covered that one in the 90's. In boxing Tyson would beat almost anyone in his prime, MMA most top heavyweights would take him. That was the general agrement anyway.
b0und (and Tyson is still an idiot)
b0und (and Tyson is still an idiot)
The one professional heavyweight fighter that did participate was defeated rather easily by a police officer trained in some form of ground fighting. Mitlon Bowen was his named and he was ranked 10th by the IBF and was a KO puncher. Couldn't even defeat a cop who was not even a professional fighter.
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Phaded
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i guarantee tyson could win some fights with only his boxing training.. i guarantee he knows how to fight on the ground he used to beat up 90 year old ladies for god sakes
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def wouldn't be pwned you guys suck
redsamurai
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I would not want to be punched by Mike in those MMA gloves..... 
But heck, even a really good kick boxer would own him in an MMA fight........kicks will beat punches.
But heck, even a really good kick boxer would own him in an MMA fight........kicks will beat punches.
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Phaded
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kimbo slice would fuck up anyone..
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the_clockwork
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I'd be ko'ed instantly w/ one hit from tyson
Turd Ferguson
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I would say he would be chocked out or arm broken in 20 seconds.jh1 said:
It would depend on his opponent, how they plan their defense and offense... how they would study his style... weakness and strengths.
I don't think he would get completely dominated, nor do I think he could come out winning. He would hold his own, but his style is strictly stand up and he would have to be on his A game and score a knock out quick or else. If his opponent did his homework... his goal would be to get tyson down and in a postion he's not familar with... (thats if his opponent is strong in ground defense).
He has plenty of street fights to back him... but he's still a dirty fighter and MMA and UFC as well as Boxing have some rules... and Tyson just has an issue with these rules. He is and always will be a dirty fighter... caught or not... and I don't discredit his ability due to that... he's street smart and really talented all in one nutshell.
If he obides by the rules of the federation, and is put up against someone with a MMA background... I'd opt for someone dominant in ground defense... I couldn't see Tyson winning. If he were matched up with someone that was more of a standup fighter... that guy better have some back up plan! Tyson is an OX, strong and very aggressive... his aggressive nature can play for him or against him.
I'd like to see him give this a go... It would prolly be a huge money maker for him.
I don't think he would get completely dominated, nor do I think he could come out winning. He would hold his own, but his style is strictly stand up and he would have to be on his A game and score a knock out quick or else. If his opponent did his homework... his goal would be to get tyson down and in a postion he's not familar with... (thats if his opponent is strong in ground defense).
He has plenty of street fights to back him... but he's still a dirty fighter and MMA and UFC as well as Boxing have some rules... and Tyson just has an issue with these rules. He is and always will be a dirty fighter... caught or not... and I don't discredit his ability due to that... he's street smart and really talented all in one nutshell.
If he obides by the rules of the federation, and is put up against someone with a MMA background... I'd opt for someone dominant in ground defense... I couldn't see Tyson winning. If he were matched up with someone that was more of a standup fighter... that guy better have some back up plan! Tyson is an OX, strong and very aggressive... his aggressive nature can play for him or against him.
I'd like to see him give this a go... It would prolly be a huge money maker for him.
PICK3
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Frisky said:
street fighting experience doesn't translate well to competing against world class MMA atheletes, ask Tank Abbott.
Anyone in MMA would be a fool to stand up in front of Tyson. Like I said in a previous post for Tyson, or any striker to KO you he has to plant his feet. A skilled MMA practioner would circle Tyson looking to create an angle to shoot for a takedown. Tyson would get aggresive and lunge and the MMA guy would duck under and get a takedown.
When Tyson first got into money troubles the Gracies tried to bait him into a MMA match, but Tyson wasn't having any of it.
redsamurai
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nimbus said:
"a few weeks"??? bro.......seriously? how about a "few years"!! The top guys in the UFC have been fighting in martial arts since they were in junior high, or earlier. They wrestled all through high school, some well into college..........they've just been training to be well rounded fighters they're whole lives. Tyson trained for nothing but boxing........and with big ole boxing gloves. He'd have to relearn his boxing skills to compensate for the smaller gloves......yeah, he has more power with them.....but in MMA you don't block the same way you do in boxing.........cause you have kicks and knees to contend with. In MMA you don't turn your shoulders perpendicular to your opponent either......that's a pure boxing technique, again....cause in boxing you see no high kicks. Now that's just his stand up.........think about how long it would take him to learn the ground game? Heck, Crocop has been trying to learn the ground game for years now......
PICK3 said:
you totally contradict yourself...
Are you making a comparision between Tank and Tyson... :lmfao: Seriously... are you serious?
There is no comparision there... none.
and if you actually read and understood my thread I said that a fighter would have to out smart him, read him, or else yes... Tyson would dominate. He (the opponent) would have to have some really good ground skills and really be quick at them. Tyson is quick, strong, and accurate... everyone knows that. You are no genius to point that out... But take someone whom could out smart him and beat him at his own game and I think it would be possible.
No one thought Gracie could be defeated when he was just dominating right... ? Hell, I personally had the privilege of training with Royce Gracie... Amazing teacher... and still his strenght was being humble enough to learn from his own students. There were many of great fighters that most thought could not be defeated. YET... they were... There is always someone that will outsmart you, out strength you, and beat you at your own game. Tyson is not invincible, neither you nor I are... He is just as human as anyone here... he has his weakness and his strength.
Anyway, like I said... a skilled MMA fighter... whom had not only stand up skills but extensive ground skills prolly would dominate Tyson. However he would have to stay away from him and focus on getting Tyson in a postion that he was not comfortable in.
redsamurai said:
lol... I'd love to see some of these fools step in the ring and even go toe to toe with an amature MMA...
And before you all try to diss me... I did study MMA, for quite a few years. I am yet to devote myself back to the sport to get my black belt but it is in due time... I am only a belt away from it... and I must say, I've learned alot.
I'm really tired of explaining the benifit of it... even my beau thinks my training is
... yet he will not watch my training video's. Thinks the fact that my Sensi allowed me to train against a guy close to two times my weight was insane... also the self defense test where I was subject to being stripped and yelled at etc... all real life things that I had to do over and over to become to immune to... these were insane. Yet... if I were to be attacked on the streets, this is basically what I am going up against. Not to say that it would have me winning, but would for sure have me more prepared.
jh1
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Frisky said:
Woah.. you met Royce Gracie?
Cool.
He's a legend.
Seriously.
Mucho respect for that guy.. the first 4 UFCs... good stuff. I enjoyed that way more than the stuff today.
The fighters today are different, but there was something about fighting under no rules and no rounds.
I understand the need, but that shit was REAL.. like the way it would go down in the streets. Royce dominated. Still the best, overall, in my mind.
I think I'd give him a run though.
jh1 said:Woah.. you met Royce Gracie?
Cool.
He's a legend.
Seriously.
Mucho respect for that guy.. the first 4 UFCs... good stuff. I enjoyed that way more than the stuff today.
The fighters today are different, but there was something about fighting under no rules and no rounds.
I understand the need, but that shit was REAL.. like the way it would go down in the streets. Royce dominated. Still the best, overall, in my mind.
I think I'd give him a run though.
Yes I did... and that was really the higlight of my training. I have tons of video's of different fighters, I've sat down hours and hours watching then hours on the mat going over different takedowns, holds, techniques...
He was over at one of our Dojo's and we were given the opportunity to question him, also get on the mat with him and some of his students. It was really sweet. He had some connection with my Shihan thru training, and that gave our school the opportunity to meet and learn from some of the best.
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Kano
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would not last 20 seconds... tyson would chew off both ears
dead_reggin_storage_fashi
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one punch with no gloves on?
ouch
I heard getting by tyson back in the day was the same as getting with a wooden bat wrapped with a towel (ESPN ref.)
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I heard getting by tyson back in the day was the same as getting with a wooden bat wrapped with a towel (ESPN ref.)
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Kano
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Wootoom said:
lol
wow....you definately got taken advatange of...prolly wanna either get a lawyer or just keep that to yourself from now on.Frisky said:lol... I'd love to see some of these fools step in the ring and even go toe to toe with an amature MMA...
And before you all try to diss me... I did study MMA, for quite a few years. I am yet to devote myself back to the sport to get my black belt but it is in due time... I am only a belt away from it... and I must say, I've learned alot.
I'm really tired of explaining the benifit of it... even my beau thinks my training is
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dead_reggin_storage_fashi said:
i heard its like putting a phonebook to your head and then having someone hit that as hard as they can with a bat..
megamania500
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manny78 said:
People have this distorted perception that Tyson has some kind of "magical" punch that all it takes is one, no matter the circumstances, is going to KO his opponent.
Look at his rounds per fight from 1987 to his loss to Holyfield in '96:
Mar.7 -- James Smith, W 12
May 30 -- Pinklon Thomas, TKO 6
Aug. 1 -- Tony Tucker, W 12
Oct. 16 -- Tyrell Biggs, TKO 7
1988
Jan. 22 -- Larry Holmes,TKO 4
Mar. 21 -- Tony Tubbs, TKO 2
June 27 -- Michael Spinks, KO 1
1989
Feb. 25 -- Frank Bruno, TKO 5
July 21 -- Carl Williams, TKO 1
1990
Feb. 11 -- James Douglas, Tokyo, Japan, KO by 10
(Lost World Heavyweight Title)
June 16 -- Henry Tillman, KO 1
Dec. 8 -- Alex Stewart, KO 1
1991
Mar. 18 -- Donovan Ruddock, TKO 7
June 28 -- Donovan Ruddock, W 12
1995
Aug. 19 -- Peter McNeeley, W DSQ 1
Dec. 16 -- Buster Mathis, Jr, KO 3
1996
Mar. 16 -- Frank Bruno, TKO 3
Sept. 7 -- Bruce Seldon, TKO 1
Nov. 9 -- Evander Holyfield, TKO by 11
(Lost WBA Heavyweight Title)
As you can see, out of his 17 wins of 19 fights, there were six that ended in a 1st round KO. And I'm guessing those KOs didn't come from a single punch, but from a barrage of many punches.
Seven more wins on this list for Tyson came from KO or TKO, but they happened after the first round. So for some fighters to go down, it took SEVERAL rounds of repeatedly absorbing Tyson's punches before they went down. Again, an example that Tyson didn't have a "magic" punch, but had to wear down some opponents with his punches before they went down. The point being: for many fighters, getting hit by Tyson didn't instantly KO them, it took many punches over several rounds.
Then, another three wins for Tyson actually went the distance. Point being: a few fighters took a full 12 rounds of Tyson's punches without getting KO'd.
In a sense, it may be true that it will only take one punch for Tyson to end a fight. But the same can be said for MANY fighters. But the same is true about all these fighters, including Tyson:
The punch has to be timed perfect, it has to connect in the right target area, and it has to be a correct type of punch (Tyson isn't going to KO Cro Cop with a jab!!!).
And the only way to set this up is to do it right, including wearing the opponent out, throwing his fight game off, and outskilling him.
We've seen some devastating wins by fighters just by throwing punches. Tank did it. Liddel does it. Vitor Belfort gave an unforgettable performance against Vanderlei Silva.
Also, with todays fighters leaning more toward stand-up, Tyson may do better today that he would have during the "grappling" period of the UFC, because more fighters may just be more willing to try to stand and strike with him. What would Tim Sylvia's gameplan be against Iron Mike? Or Andrei Arlovski?
As far as what Tyson would do in the Octagon, I'm sure he wouldn't be so ignorant to think he can just walk in and box his way to a victory. Liddel uses takedown defense to keep it standing, crappy ol' Sylvia does the same. Tyson would have to attempt to do the same, probably without nearly the success though.
Point is, if Tyson fought in the UFC I wouldn't be surprised to see him tear apart a few people the same way Tank did in some of his fights.
But the bottom line is, it would take Tyson alot more effort to do it than to just land one single punch!!! A good skilled MMA heavyweight isn't going to go down from a Tyson jab, a Tyson glancing blow, or a Tyson body shot. Alot of fighters took alot of Tyson's power shots before going down, and some never went down. I don't see why it wouldn't be different for MMA fighters, MMA gloves or not.
beefcake28
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HumanTarget said:
I gotta agree with this...
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megamania500 said:
nice post but if tyson wasn't wearing boxing gloves he'd be alot more destructive.. he'd prob. put a hole in someones body..
sardonicone
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Mike can't even win boxing matches anymore... why do you think he'd be able to compete here?
megamania500
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Phaded said:
...unless he hit the skull. Tyson broke his hand on Mitch Green's face (while giving Mitch a black eye and broken nose in the process) during their ungloved "brawl" back in the day.
Mitch Green's side of the story (you decide how biased it is):
http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=707305347&channel=246167424
This is the only ungloved punch Tyson landed on someone that I can find. Oh, and he did put a hole in Mitch's body - a 5 stitch cut on his nose (well, technically, thats a hole, right?)
beefcake28
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sardonicone said:
Hence the "Mike Tyson in his prime" comments...
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megamania500 said:
guaranteed he didn't catch em right.. who the fuck is mitch green anyways..
sardonicone
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beefcake28 said:
The first post makes no mention of that, so your argument is invalid.
beefcake28
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sardonicone said:
Just about every following post referring to Tyson does mention it... so I think it is fairly safe to assume that most people were referring to that stage of his life, and not the present one, in their arguements... therefore clarifying the premises of the arguement for Tyson, and in the meantime, giving it relevance.
Nice try.
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megamania500
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I was referring to tyson in his prime when posting
sardonicone
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beefcake28 said:
Who cares? The topic was now, not in his prime. Did the thread starter ever use any other verbage other than present tense?
Just because the following posters decided to change up the perameters of the question doesn't mean the first question still doesn't apply. I responded based on the question asked, not on some hypothetical construct.
beefcake28
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sardonicone said:
Just because you implied a "present tense", that does not mean everyone else did as well. It was not implicitly defined as "present tense" only.
The thread starter did not specify a time constraint, therefore it was up to the interpretation of the following posters, in which they clarified their stance. There were no parameters set up by the initial poster, so a hypothetical construct is indeed valid based on the interpretation of the poster, if they so stated their constructs... which most did. Since the entire situation is hypothetical anyway, how can you disregard some hypotheticals, and not others? If anything, the hypotheticals construed using parameters (even those determined by individual posters in their arguements), should be given more merit than a post lacking parameters altogether...
But, at this point, it is simply arguing semantics and interpretation.
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the_clockwork
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i'd pay to see that fight..
redsamurai
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you're a lawyer aren't you? This is law speak if I"ve ever read it.......well said though, you must be good at what you do.
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beefcake28
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redsamurai said:
Nope, not a lawyer (although, I've always been told that I should be)... Or anything close to practising Law, but... I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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