TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[bosundave]

I also recall this Pro BB saying that the short 4 week cycles help keep a lot of the sides from taking a firm grip, u know, gyno, acne, etc. One of the problems right away seems to me starting clomid therepy so soon after a slow acting , long half life ester. I dunno?? What does anyone else think. If nothing else, this approach is interesting. To say that is rare, does not nec. mean its not real effective.

 

[Realgains]

Ok, bro, I totally understand using rough figures to point something out, that's cool. But where do you get your half-life times from? Here's what I have:

Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
* Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

From here:
Muscletalk.co.uk half-life list

Now I'm curious, as that's a pretty big discrepancy.

I'm also curious, where did you get the idea that 250mg of cyp is 175mg of test and 75mg of ester? I've never heard of this, and the idea makes no sense to me at all. It would make dosing nearly impossible, as every time someone went to calculate a dose of something, they've have to know ester weight. I thought that had already been calculated in for you. ??? Help me out here, bud.. I mean, this would be like, Test suspension 200 = more test than test cyp 250. Is that true? Thanks for all clarifications, RG!
-B

I have known about half lives for years ...can't put a finger on any particular web site.

Seems like the quotes you have above are way off bro...they may be talking about the time the hormone is most active or ananbolic.

ie:The half life of tren is NOT 3 days for sure...its about a day.
Deca isn't 15 days and EQ isn't 14 thats for sure.
And test suspension and oral winstrol have a half life of hours not 24 hours.
All the others are off too.

The estimate I gave you in regard to actual test in 250 of test is correct....a fairly decent portion is in ester weight bro.

I will check out that site though and see what the heck they are referring to.

RG

 

[Lift Chief]

I have known about half lives for years ...can't put a finger on any particular web site.

Seems like the quotes you have above are way off bro...they may be talking about the time the hormone is most active or ananbolic.

ie:The half life of tren is NOT 3 days for sure...its about a day.
Deca isn't 15 days and EQ isn't 14 thats for sure.
And test suspension and oral winstrol have a half life of hours not 24 hours.
All the others are off too.

The estimate I gave you in regard to actual test in 250 of test is correct....a fairly decent portion is in ester weight bro.

I will check out that site though and see what the heck they are referring to.

RG

RG can you list what you think the half lives are? I also got my information from muscletalk.co.uk

 

[bebaumax]

I have known about half lives for years ...can't put a finger on any particular web site.

Seems like the quotes you have above are way off bro...they may be talking about the time the hormone is most active or ananbolic.

ie:The half life of tren is NOT 3 days for sure...its about a day.
Deca isn't 15 days and EQ isn't 14 thats for sure.
And test suspension and oral winstrol have a half life of hours not 24 hours.
All the others are off too.

The estimate I gave you in regard to actual test in 250 of test is correct....a fairly decent portion is in ester weight bro.

I will check out that site though and see what the heck they are referring to.

RG

You know, I never even paid attention to the ones I knew off the top of my head, but, duh, they are a bit long there, aren't they?

I am still a bit lost on this total amount of test issue. Can you tell me where you got your info on this, or where I can find more? Thanks, bud.
-B

 

[Realgains]

RG can you list what you think the half lives are? I also got my information from muscletalk.co.uk

Well half lives are not an exact science bro. Also some things affect their half life....like the size of a person. Generally the large man will have a steroid clear quicker than a small man so half life is affected by size.

GENERAL ESTIMATES

D-bol 4-7 hours
Winstrol orally 10 hours
Winny IM ...not in ester but takes about a week to clear
Anavar 9 hours
Anadrol 10hours
Halo 9-10 hours

Suspension about 100 minutes
Acetate about 1-1.5 days
Prop 1.5-2 days
Phenylprop 2-3 days
Enanthate 5-7 days
Cyp 6-8 days
Deca 8-9 days
Undecylenate 10 days
Laurate maybe 12 days

Keep in mind that these are estimates....the estimates you got are far too long IMHO.

RG

 

[Lift Chief]

Thanks RG

 

[mike1234555]

2 day cycle help

Realgains this is the most interesting and informative discussion i have read on this board.I have been doing plenty of reading lately and i plan on giving this a shot.My stats

41yo 190lbs 5ft 10in 4th cycle

2 week cycle
day 1 tren 150mg
day 1 prop 300mg
day 2-14 tren 75mg ed
day 2-13 prop 100mg ed
day 14 300mg clomid
wk 3,4,5 50mg ed
roughly 3000 clean calories a day
250g protien ed
rala 300or400mg ed
flagseed oil 100mg ed


Any comments or additions or subtractions would be helpful.

 

[John G]

Any new updates

Any updates from people who have tried this method?

 

[OMEGA]

For what it's worth, someof you might a piece I wrote back in 1997 called STEROIDS FOR HEALTH that advocated the use of short cycles. It had some innacuracies (as did all the information on roids at that time) but the premise stll holds true. The body cannot maintain huge gains that are too abrupt. Plus, the longer you're on, the longer you're supressed. Gaining 5-6 pounds at a clip is the way to go. Of course, that isn't enough for some people. But do you have any idea how long it would take to gain five solid pounds of muscle naturally? Most people couldnt do it in a year. Yet, 4 short cycles a year will yield 20 pounds. And you KEEP it!

I don't agree with the method that was proposed here, however. I'm currently putting together new information that will update the SFH principles. For now, I'll say that one injectable and one oral is all you need. I would no longer recommend Deca and I'd never use vet stuff -- anxiety, flu symptoms, allegies -- something is obviously not right. But people ignore this evidence and contnue to use them.

what do you recommend then?

 

[atticdog]

realgains
i would like to try a 2 week cycle in a few weeks
how exactly would you recomend a tren and dbol cycle?