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Trim my run time in 30 days USMC Help

Sartan

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Hello all,
I have decided to return to the Marine Corp reserves and I MUST go to OCS on Jan 17 due to my 34th Bday coming in FEB.

I need to run sub 24 min times in 3 miles by Jan 2 PLEASE HELP with plan

I ran on street Saturday 3 mile 37 minitues
Sunday 2 miles 21:53
Monday 2 miles 20:58
Tuesday took off very sore
Bought glucosamine for joints today.

Please help me put together a plan to get me to a 8 minite mile pace for my 3 mile run
Thanks,
KP
 
You sound like a fatty. Are you a fatty? I'm going to have a moderator change your name to fatty fat pudding boy.

How many pullups and crunches can you do?

There is no way in hell you are going to make that time given what you've posted. But lets assume we can help you.

The solution is to run more and loose weight.

For a more comprehensive plan, go to runnersworld.com/smartcoach and put in your info and it will give you a plan. I suggest you select the 'very hard' training option. Follow it to a T.
 
Yea, you better start busting your chops. You can take this from someone who has been there and done that. Don't settle for 24 minutes in a 3 mile. That won't cut it. Set your sights on 22 minutes or better.

I'm no running expert, but just getting out there an doing it will pay off. All it takes to be successful at OCS is the drive to never quit and never give up. That also goes for your preparation time before getting there.

Train hard.
 
Synpax said:
You sound like a fatty. Are you a fatty? I'm going to have a moderator change your name to fatty fat pudding boy.

How many pullups and crunches can you do?

There is no way in hell you are going to make that time given what you've posted. But lets assume we can help you.
In response

1)Fuck You!
2)20 pullups 100+ crunches
3) thx for the motivation.

Sartan
 
gymgurl and cwc73
thx for the replies.

I have cut another 2 minutes off my 2 mile and I am running 4 miles untimed to get use to the distance. All on the street not the treadmill.

Sartan
 
Ino this doesn't help you with your problem, but just wondering for personal reasons

Is there any difference between running on the street, and on a mill? Obviously for what you are working towards, it's better to have the actual expeirence since im sure your test won't be with a tredmill.
 
Yes For me I find it MUCH easier on the treadmill. The key to running is distraction. Youhave to keep your mind off the pain. In the gym I have hot girls walkin by. I have 4 big screen tvs playing crap, etc. On the street my knees and ankles hurt more and my times are slower.
That is one of the reasons in Military runns they call cadance to distract your mind.

At the moment I am leaning away from this option as I have a Federal Law enforcement job interview next week(this is a better option because of time away from kids).

thx
KP
 
I find it much eaier on the road. I think it has to do with how you train. I run outside all year so I am just used to the road I guess...Im faster on the road then the treadmill
 
Pudding boy -

Your problem is that you are running on sidewalk/cement. Cement is 33x denser than asphalt. Run on the road or asphalt trails.

Since you aren't doing your PFT on a treadmill, you need to train like you will race - outside, off the treadmill.

Running with musics helps.
 
Synpax said:
Pudding boy -

Your problem is that you are running on sidewalk/cement. Cement is 33x denser than asphalt. Run on the road or asphalt trails.

Since you aren't doing your PFT on a treadmill, you need to train like you will race - outside, off the treadmill.

Running with musics helps.

You might be a smart ASS but at least you are givin me useful advice.
thx for the asphalt/cement tip.

Looks like I have to let go the military reserve gig.
I have a civilian job interview next week and the federal job interview next week and cant seem to juggle time off for OCS.

I am still running though just not as intensely.
I was really surprised how out of shape cardiowise I was/am.
I am definately above average muscle/fat build but man my cardio was WAY off since the last time I cardio trained seriously.
KP
 
Sartan said:
Hello all,
I have decided to return to the Marine Corp reserves and I MUST go to OCS on Jan 17 due to my 34th Bday coming in FEB.

I need to run sub 24 min times in 3 miles by Jan 2 PLEASE HELP with plan

I ran on street Saturday 3 mile 37 minitues
Sunday 2 miles 21:53
Monday 2 miles 20:58
Tuesday took off very sore
Bought glucosamine for joints today.

Please help me put together a plan to get me to a 8 minite mile pace for my 3 mile run
Thanks,
KP

may be a little late but you need to get on a track and do some intervals==it is not about all about cardio it is about learning to run fast and at just below anaerobic/LA threshold to boost vo2 max
 
eddymerckx said:
may be a little late but you need to get on a track and do some intervals==it is not about all about cardio it is about learning to run fast and at just below anaerobic/LA threshold to boost vo2 max

You may want to brush up on your physiology. You need to run above AT to boost your VO2 MAx. Running at/just below AT boosts your, well, your AT.

And you are late. Pudding boy gave up. He's going to pilot a desk, instead.
 
Synpax said:
You may want to brush up on your physiology. You need to run above AT to boost your VO2 MAx. Running at/just below AT boosts your, well, your AT.

And you are late. Pudding boy gave up. He's going to pilot a desk, instead.

no, i do not need to brush-up on my physiology--you are correct --if you were talking about a well-trained/elite athlete, but we are not. running at or just below AT will increase AT as a % of V02 max. But, for all but the well-trained athlete, there can be a simultaneous increase in AT as a % of VO2 max and VO2 max (albeit a much lower increase), but for someone who is untrained, as I guess he is, he will see the greatest increase in speed w/o significantly increasing his risk of injury by training at or just below AT. See the following from a recent string I subscribe to you will note that running above AT will give the greatest gain, but even those at or just below AT saw gains in V02 max (we can assume if he is untrained or somewhat trained, his At is prob around 60% of V02 max).

by Owen AndersonOwen Anderson, Ph.D., editor and founder of Running Research News and author of Lactate Liftoff. An exercise physiologist and training expert, Anderson coaches and offers training camps for runners. He's based in Lansing, Michigan. )

"Advances in the arteriovenous difference occur mainly because running stimulates an increase in the capillary density around muscle fibers in the legs. This aggrandizes blood flow to the leg muscles and decreases the distance across which oxygen must diffuse to get to the mitochondria inside muscle cells,
where aerobic metabolism actually takes place. Upswings in capillary density exactly parallel increases in leg-muscle blood flow and whole-body VO2max. But how can max stroke volume and arteriovenous difference be optimized? Back in the day, the answer was to run tons of miles, but research paints a
quite-different picture. In one study, 12 individuals employed a training intensity of close to 100 percent of VO2max over a seven-week period, while 12 other subjects worked out at a moderate, "aerobic" intensity of 60 percent of VO2max (about 75 percent of max heart rate). The latter, "aerobic" group actually trained for considerably longer periods of time - but achieved a
38-percent lower increase in VO2max after seven weeks, compared with the
100-percenters. This result prompted the researchers to conclude that training at an
intensity which elicits VO2max has the strongest, positive impact on VO2max
expansion.
 
The best investment of his time would have been long, >3 mile runs at sub-goal pace mixed with some race pace or > race pace intervals on other days.
 
Synpax said:
The best investment of his time would have been long, >3 mile runs at sub-goal pace mixed with some race pace or > race pace intervals on other days.


i agree--i just would want to get him or anyone else in that position on the track so they could learn/feel different speeds esp with a hr monitor--i think runs would help, but i suspect--i guess in hindsight he did not have the disipline for such runs and the track would sort of force it--imho
 
HR monitor, given his timeline, is unecessary. Hesitant to use one without a VO2Max test. I realize there are field tests that can be done, and I never run or bike without one on, but since his goal was not to get better but to hit a certain TIME goal - a live or die time goal - HR training becomes less relevant.
 
Synpax said:
HR monitor, given his timeline, is unecessary. Hesitant to use one without a VO2Max test. I realize there are field tests that can be done, and I never run or bike without one on, but since his goal was not to get better but to hit a certain TIME goal - a live or die time goal - HR training becomes less relevant.


a hr monitor is the only thing that stops my ego from overloading my ability
 
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