tren, test and maybe letro?

[gymfean]

Hi, I've been following the forms been researching for years but this will be my first posted cycle for you to review.

so let me start out by saying I've done six cycles in all. 4 oral and 2 injectable. my last cycle was:

Sust-250 750 a wk 1-12
Tren A-100 450 a wk 1-7
Letro-2.5 at .5 ED

PCT:
Liquid tamox at 40/40/20/20
Clomid at 100/100/50/50

during one of my oral cycles I got a tiny bit of gyno. about 2 weeks after this cycle it started to kick back in and I got symptoms again. not too much sensitivity no pain but it was very clear that the lump was getting a tiny bit bigger. now its been 2 months later and it's gone away for the most part but I still have a little sensitivity sometimes not all the time but a specially after aight night of drinking.

like of course anyone would I want to kill it. I want it gone. I have another cycle planned in the next month or so:

Test E-300 300wk 1-15
Tren E-250 375wk 1-10or12
with the same post cycle therapy plan as shown above. And Letro at .25-.5 ED as my AI.

now I've heard the trick of running letro well on cycle at a crazy high dose to kill gyno. my question is if I did a temp that should i do it at the beginning of my cycle or at the very end of my cycle?

and I am also able to get ahold of liquid Prami but I've read a lot of mixed reviews about whether it needs to be used or just should have on hand?

all opinions are appreciated thank you

 

[gymfean]

Bump....

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Hi, I've been following the forms been researching for years but this will be my first posted cycle for you to review.

so let me start out by saying I've done six cycles in all. 4 oral and 2 injectable. my last cycle was:

Sust-250 750 a wk 1-12
Tren A-100 450 a wk 1-7
Letro-2.5 at .5 ED

PCT:
Liquid tamox at 40/40/20/20
Clomid at 100/100/50/50

during one of my oral cycles I got a tiny bit of gyno. about 2 weeks after this cycle it started to kick back in and I got symptoms again. not too much sensitivity no pain but it was very clear that the lump was getting a tiny bit bigger. now its been 2 months later and it's gone away for the most part but I still have a little sensitivity sometimes not all the time but a specially after aight night of drinking.

like of course anyone would I want to kill it. I want it gone. I have another cycle planned in the next month or so:

Test E-300 300wk 1-15
Tren E-250 375wk 1-10or12
with the same post cycle therapy plan as shown above. And Letro at .25-.5 ED as my AI.

now I've heard the trick of running letro well on cycle at a crazy high dose to kill gyno. my question is if I did a temp that should i do it at the beginning of my cycle or at the very end of my cycle?

and I am also able to get ahold of liquid Prami but I've read a lot of mixed reviews about whether it needs to be used or just should have on hand?

all opinions are appreciated thank you

Throw in caber or prami to combat your prolactin sides. Exemestane/aromasin instead of letro. Letro is last resort; a nuclear option. Remember, using tren a you should be pinning EOD, preferably ED. Also, you should cut your sust to 125-250.

 

[gymfean]

Throw in caber or prami to combat your prolactin sides. Exemestane/aromasin instead of letro. Letro is last resort; a nuclear option. Remember, using tren a you should be pinning EOD, preferably ED. Also, you should cut your sust to 125-250.

Lol, I think you just confused the cycle that I had gyno problems with the cycle that I'm going to do.

I'm about to start Test E/Tren E. same advice?

Should I run more Tren than Test?

 

[gymfean]

And the liquid prami, what should I dose it at?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Lol, I think you just confused the cycle that I had gyno problems with the cycle that I'm going to do.

I'm about to start Test E/Tren E. same advice?

Should I run more Tren than Test?

You are right but my advice stands as far as on cycle support is concerned. By the time you are done following my advice, you will trust me enough to watch your poodles on the weekend .

I would run caber and aromasin. Do not run letro as there is zero need. I would keep some on hand just in case but I would not use it unless you notice anything out of the ordinary. I would not check for gyno by putting your hands all over that area you got the lumps because that actually irritates the area and can make it worse just as an fyi. What I would do is run Aromasin and Caber. I will give you my source for AIs. If you want to play roulette and try another site, be my guest but I prefer to keep it safe with high quality compounds.

As far as prami? I know of way too many people who puke their guts up like a pregnant lady in the last trimester bro. Don't puke like a pregnant gal, run with caber. Caber has a side effect that reduces the male refractory period; i.e. You can ejaculate like 900x so that's the bonus.

Here is your caber:
http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16153&cat=250


Aromasin:
http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16134&cat=254

Letro:
http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16138&cat=254

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

You need to combat all of the potential sides of the tren. You need serious support with tren. All of the boys I know that run tren run n2guard because of the sick blood pressure problems. Tren is STRONG. But here is your help to keep your body healthy on-cycle and prevent your natty test from plummeting too much.


http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html


What does your PCT look like?

 

[meathead96]

You are right but my advice stands as far as on cycle support is concerned. By the time you are done following my advice, you will trust me enough to watch your poodles on the weekend .

I would run caber and aromasin. Do not run letro as there is zero need. I would keep some on hand just in case but I would not use it unless you notice anything out of the ordinary. I would not check for gyno by putting your hands all over that area you got the lumps because that actually irritates the area and can make it worse just as an fyi. What I would do is run Aromasin and Caber. I will give you my source for AIs. If you want to play roulette and try another site, be my guest but I prefer to keep it safe with high quality compounds.

As far as prami? I know of way too many people who puke their guts up like a pregnant lady in the last trimester bro. Don't puke like a pregnant gal, run with caber. Caber has a side effect that reduces the male refractory period; i.e. You can ejaculate like 900x so that's the bonus.

Here is your caber:
AG-Guys :: Misc. Research :: LiquiDostnx


Aromasin:
AG-Guys :: AIs :: LiquiAromas

Letro:
AG-Guys :: AIs :: Letrozl

Agreed with this, I'm using AG-guys aromasin and its very good.

 

[TheKid7]

I like the aromasin for this cycle works nice and is clean. I would use prami or caber as mentioned. When i ran test tren I didnt get tren sides till like 5 weeks in and it was mostly lethargy and insomnia which is actually a bitch if you cant get deep sleep on cycle. Liquid prami helped so much for me with lethargy and some sleep sides but start way under the recommended dose because its a pain on the stomach and best to take right before bed because it makes you drowsy as shit. Theres so much debate on which to run higher but I believe tren should be run higher. I did 500mgtren with 250mg test and my results were amazing and had much less sides than the normal tren user

 

[Shrine1]

Im also using AG-GUYS.COM. they are awesome and provide the highest quality of liquid chems. Good stuff.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

 

[gymfean]

You are right but my advice stands as far as on cycle support is concerned. By the time you are done following my advice, you will trust me enough to watch your poodles on the weekend .

I would run caber and aromasin. Do not run letro as there is zero need. I would keep some on hand just in case but I would not use it unless you notice anything out of the ordinary. I would not check for gyno by putting your hands all over that area you got the lumps because that actually irritates the area and can make it worse just as an fyi. What I would do is run Aromasin and Caber. I will give you my source for AIs. If you want to play roulette and try another site, be my guest but I prefer to keep it safe with high quality compounds.

As far as prami? I know of way too many people who puke their guts up like a pregnant lady in the last trimester bro. Don't puke like a pregnant gal, run with caber. Caber has a side effect that reduces the male refractory period; i.e. You can ejaculate like 900x so that's the bonus.

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

 

[gymfean]

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

 

[RickRock13]

A SERM only PCT is old school, outdated, and ineffective for recovery. You need more than that. Here is my recommendation for the best PCT.

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquidex AI (n2bm)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

I copy you loud and clear. I was recommending prami at one point but I simply do not do so as of this week. I watched a lot of people get very sick. I am familiar with the very low dose (going 10% of what most forums recommend as a starting dose) but it still cannot be trusted. It's playing with napalm. Obviously you are willing to take the plunge, no pun intended, but I still would not recommend utilizing it because of the very strong potential for disaster. Now, I know what you are saying regarding the caber, but caber has a 68 hour half life so it only has to be taken two times per week. I recommend starting at .25 mg 2x per week. Usually, most Brose do not have to ramp up from there. I like all of your dosages regarding your gear, you can run your test at 250 and your tren at 500, optimally. Test in a tren cycle is really just there to combat the tren sides believe it or not. 250 is a good number because it will keep you around your natty levels. It used to be a bro science fact that you should run test higher then everything else. This has been found to be untrue. Just run it at half of the tren and let the tren do it's magic. If your tren is dosed at 450 mg/mL it is okay to run it at that does too. In fact, running test higher than tren has been shown to create a negative synergistic effect. You are minimizing your gains and maximizing sides. A lot of the negative trenmania is derived from people who ran high test on a tren cycle. It's no bueno.


I am assuming you followed the protocol to run Tren ace before running Tren E to test your tolerance?

As far as other on-cycle support. I heard needtobuildmuscle.com has n2guard in stock. This is the best on-cycle support for combatting tren sides.

http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html


Again, please let me know what your PCT is going to be so we can help you maintain your gains and keep sides at a mininum. My PCT protocol will make your PCT as enjoyable as your cycle.

If you do decide to follow my protocol, you should do a log on this forum. Help be one of our fellow pioneers in our sport.

 

[gymfean]

A SERM only PCT is old school, outdated, and ineffective for recovery. You need more than that. Here is my recommendation for the best PCT.

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquidex AI (n2bm)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

I appreciate your opinion and your advice. But $190 for a test booster? Dose it come in a gold bottle? Will it make me fly? Lol jk.

I'll take a look at it but seems WAY to pricy for what it is.

 

[gymfean]

I copy you loud and clear. I was recommending prami at one point but I simply do not do so as of this week. I watched a lot of people get very sick. I am familiar with the very low dose (going 10% of what most forums recommend as a starting dose) but it still cannot be trusted. It's playing with napalm. Obviously you are willing to take the plunge, no pun intended, but I still would not recommend utilizing it because of the very strong potential for disaster. Now, I know what you are saying regarding the caber, but caber has a 68 hour half life so it only has to be taken two times per week. I recommend starting at .25 mg 2x per week. Usually, most Brose do not have to ramp up from there. I like all of your dosages regarding your gear, you can run your test at 250 and your tren at 500, optimally. Test in a tren cycle is really just there to combat the tren sides believe it or not. 250 is a good number because it will keep you around your natty levels. It used to be a bro science fact that you should run test higher then everything else. This has been found to be untrue. Just run it at half of the tren and let the tren do it's magic. If your tren is dosed at 450 mg/mL it is okay to run it at that does too. In fact, running test higher than tren has been shown to create a negative synergistic effect. You are minimizing your gains and maximizing sides. A lot of the negative trenmania is derived from people who ran high test on a tren cycle. It's no bueno.


I am assuming you followed the protocol to run Tren ace before running Tren E to test your tolerance?

As far as other on-cycle support. I heard needtobuildmuscle.com has n2guard in stock. This is the best on-cycle support for combatting tren sides.


Again, please let me know what your PCT is going to be so we can help you maintain your gains and keep sides at a mininum. My PCT protocol will make your PCT as enjoyable as your cycle.

If you do decide to follow my protocol, you should do a log on this forum. Help be one of our fellow pioneers in our sport.

Ok I guess that's not to bad 1 30mg @ .25 2x wk. Will last me 15weeks?!?! I just mite go with that. I've heard it's better than prami as far as sides but that they both work well. I've read IF you can handle the prami sides that that's the better option not only cuz of price but if taken at night it helps with sleep....... BUT not sher if I want to risk the sides.......?!?!

Yes I have ran Tren A @450wk for 7 weeks and loved it. I think your right on that. My Test is 300 so I think I'll go with:

Test E @ 300wk weeks 1-10 then up it to 600wk 11-15 after Tren is done
Tren E @ 500wk weeks 1-10

Look good?

All I have planned for my PCT right now is Nolva and Clomid.

And ya I'd love to do a log

 

[TheKid7]

I appreciate your opinion and your advice. But $190 for a test booster? Dose it come in a gold bottle? Will it make me fly? Lol jk.

I'll take a look at it but seems WAY to pricy for what it is.

Depends on how good you want your cycle to be, anyone will tell you a weak pct will make your cycle pretty pointless. Rs transaderm is 150 of bottle now i remember when that shit was 60 but I still think its worth it. Sadly nothing great is cheap. I also agree run tren 500mg/week with test at 250 a week. You can see how you respond then adjust

 

[gymfean]

Depends on how good you want your cycle to be, anyone will tell you a weak pct will make your cycle pretty pointless. Rs transaderm is 150 of bottle now i remember when that shit was 60 but I still think its worth it. Sadly nothing great is cheap. I also agree run tren 500mg/week with test at 250 a week. You can see how you respond then adjust

Ya I ALWAYS make sher I have a solid PCT for the cycle at hand. But I also think most test boosters are not worth the price. Some are but most are not. Have you tried No.17?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Ok I guess that's not to bad 1 30mg @ .25 2x wk. Will last me 15weeks?!?! I just mite go with that. I've heard it's better than prami as far as sides but that they both work well. I've read IF you can handle the prami sides that that's the better option not only cuz of price but if taken at night it helps with sleep....... BUT not sher if I want to risk the sides.......?!?!

Yes I have ran Tren A @450wk for 7 weeks and loved it. I think your right on that. My Test is 300 so I think I'll go with:

Test E @ 300wk weeks 1-10 then up it to 600wk 11-15 after Tren is done
Tren E @ 500wk weeks 1-10

Look good?

All I have planned for my PCT right now is Nolva and Clomid.

And ya I'd love to do a log

Well just do the math if you look at it you're actually going to get 60 weeks out of it. If it comes in 30 mL and you are running a half milliliter per week you're looking at 60 weeks total so yeah, It will last you more than a year if you wanted. I'd recommend something to jumpstart your balls approx 2 weeks after you cut the test. Also, as soon as you are done running the tren, I'd throw in GW for approx 8 weeks. That stuff completely dominates muscle waisting.

http://www.sarms1.com/gw-501516


As far as cost in concerned, I do not need to tell you that this is not a poor mans game bro. We are on the cutting edge. This isn't the 80s where you run deca only cycles to be the high school football hero and not worry about sides. The media is 10% right when they discuss steroids, only because of the old protocols. Gone are the days where you run a Tren E cycle and lose all your gains when you come off. I don't know about you but I work hard for my gains on cycle or off-cycle. Throw gw & osta in your PCT, run the on cycle support protocol and you are going to swear by these boards.

 

[gymfean]

Well just do the math if you look at it you're actually going to get 60 weeks out of it. If it comes in 30 mL and you are running a half milliliter per week you're looking at 60 weeks total so yeah, It will last you more than a year if you wanted. I'd recommend something to jumpstart your balls approx 2 weeks after you cut the test. Also, as soon as you are done running the tren, I'd throw in GW for approx 8 weeks. That stuff completely dominates muscle waisting.


As far as cost in concerned, I do not need to tell you that this is not a poor mans game bro. We are on the cutting edge. This isn't the 80s where you run deca only cycles to be the high school football hero and not worry about sides. The media is 10% right when they discuss steroids, only because of the old protocols. Gone are the days where you run a Tren E cycle and lose all your gains when you come off. I don't know about you but I work hard for my gains on cycle or off-cycle. Throw gw & osta in your PCT, run the on cycle support protocol and you are going to swear by these boards.

okay you just confused me a little bit. isn't it 30 @ .25mg. And I'm taking .25mg twice a week? That would make it 15 weeks?

and I've lost myself in all this information a little bit. Lol. would you mind posting the full PCT up with dosage so I can see it as a whole?

and don't worry I don't mind spending the money I'm not trying to be cheap about this. Lol. I just want to make sure if I'm spending $200 on a single bottle its proven and worth it.

 

[gymfean]

not trying to ask you to do the work for me just sounds like you've ran all this stuff before. which means you probably know the dosage I should run it all out and just might have a layout somewhere you could post for me?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

not trying to ask you to do the work for me just sounds like you've ran all this stuff before. which means you probably know the dosage I should run it all out and just might have a layout somewhere you could post for me?

Seriously mate, it's not a problem at all. I enjoy this stuff. You should see it when me and some of my bros I went to college with catch up. The girls have no clue what we're talking about when we're throwing out exercise physiology terminology and gear related stuff. Ask your boy about doing steroids in front of his non-lifting female and she'll go nuts. Ask him if he's pinning EQ and Tren E with a 250 cyp dosage and all you see is looks of obliviousness.

Sorry about that bro, I misread your message. You're correct, you will get 15 weeks.

Cycle
Tren E @ 500 mgs per week
Test E or Cyp @ 250 per week

On Cycle Support:
N2Guard @ 7 caps per Day N2 Guard - the one support supplement to rule them all is FINELY here!
Liqui-Aromas @ 10mg-12.5 EOD AG-Guys :: AIs :: LiquiAromas
Liqui-Dost @ .25 2x per week AG-Guys :: Misc. Research :: LiquiDostnx
& Letro (just in case) AG-Guys :: AIs :: Letrozl
If you do need the letro, which I highly doubt you will, check in with me or PM me here and I'll give you dosing protocol on that. But I'd bet money you'll never need it if you're following my instructions. Letro is mostly used to incinerate estrogen related gyno and at your low dose of test you will be good to go with the liqui-aromas.


PCT
HCGenerate from n2bm HCGenerate with Fadogia Agrestis.The most powerful sex drive increasing , shut down preventing on cycle support product ever created.
Ostarine 25mg per day
GW-501516 at 20 mg per day (split the dosage into 10 and 10) Get from Sarms1.com SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators for the 2 above.
Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 from AG Guys for 4 weeks.
AG-Guys :: SERMs :: LiquiClom
Liquidex from n2bm
Test Stack or Phytoserms like RickRock said

 

[Mkingo]

I agree with everything fizz has said, but I would add that you could consider running zero test with your tren. I ran a cycle of tren ace at 100mg eod last year for 12 weeks. Had zero sides except for some acne. I am very acne prone anyway and get it on with most aas I have tried, so no biggie. Slept like a baby, felt like a million bucks, and literally nothing could bring my mood down. No lethargy at all. No BP issues (I measure BP daily), no aggression issues.

I ran caber at 0.25 twice per week and it was great. Had no libido issues at all. In fact it (dunno if it was the tren or e caber, but I suspect the caber) increased my libido to a higher level than I have ever experienced.

Got bloods done 4 weeks after cycle and everything was looking great.

Overall it was a great cycle. Have not yet run test and tren yet though so can't comment on that.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I agree with everything fizz has said, but I would add that you could consider running zero test with your tren. I ran a cycle of tren ace at 100mg eod last year for 12 weeks. Had zero sides except for some acne. I am very acne prone anyway and get it on with most aas I have tried, so no biggie. Slept like a baby, felt like a million bucks, and literally nothing could bring my mood down. No lethargy at all. No BP issues (I measure BP daily), no aggression issues.

I ran caber at 0.25 twice per week and it was great. Had no libido issues at all. In fact it (dunno if it was the tren or e caber, but I suspect the caber) increased my libido to a higher level than I have ever experienced.

Got bloods done 4 weeks after cycle and everything was looking great.

Overall it was a great cycle. Have not yet run test and tren yet though so can't comment on that.

You know how it is brother; we have this game down to about as finite of a science as we can. Still, there's some ambiguity. OP is going to have to test his own limits and see what works for him. I know that I can't run anything without at least a cruise dose of cyp or enanthate and I feel as though that's the perfect dose scientifically and the perfect dose for me whilst running tren. At the same time, I keep hearing about people running no test on a tren cycle and getting great results with minimal sides. I also run some test with my tren as a precautionary measure considering it's a 19-nor and I don't want to be concerned with total test shut-down. How was your recovery when coming off a tren-solo stack?

 

[Mkingo]

It was pretty straight forward. I ran clomid, hcg, test stack #17, and the two protein factory pct products: post cycle & unleashed. Short ester on the tren ace so I only ran a 4 week pct.

I always feel a little down emotionally when coming off, and this was no different, but aside from that it was ok. Trained like a demon throughout pct, kept most of the gains and now looking forward to starting my next cycle. Been off for 12 weeks now so a couple more and I will be good to go. The anticipation is killing me. I am getting bloods done again this week just to check and to establish a pre-cycle baseline for reference.

As you said, ya gotta find out what works for you as each person is different. I am planning on running a tren cycle in Q3 2014 and will be including test this time just to see how it affects me. I will switch to tren e this time and I am also thinking of running a dbol kicker as I have read that dbol and tren are highly synergistic. Not decided on the dbol yet though as the high aromatisation along with tren has me a bit concerned about prolactin sides. I have always read that the first step to controlling prolactin sides is to keep estrogen in check. Having both dbol and test in the stack might be a bit much.

Lots of time to research between now and then though, so we will see.

 

[Shrine1]

Good info fellas.. I havent ran tren yet, but its something ill give a try for sure at some point

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[gymfean]

first I want to give a huge thanks to Fizz for all the help on the cycle its much appreciated.

but there's a couple things I'm wondering if someone is able to explain to me. Liqui-Aromas ran at 12.5 means I'll need 2 bottles. Y wouldn't I run Adex instead? It'd be a little cheaper an don't they do the same job?

And will anything I'm running for cycle support hinder my gains? I read some were "cycle support supplements will help with sides but also hinder gains abit". Any truth to this?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

You can use adex or aromasin.. aromasin is such the better option because it is a suicide inhibitor, so there is no chance of estrogen rebound once you come off. Cheaper isn't always better. I think that if you are pretty lean, then adex will be fine for 250mg a week of test. I'd take .5 mg twice per week

Letro, like your originally proposed would kill your estrogen.. and kill your gains. Or running whatever AI you choose to high would also hurt them as well.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

first I want to give a huge thanks to Fizz for all the help on the cycle its much appreciated.

You are doing the right thing by asking questions. You are putting stuff in your body. You get all of the respect in the world for asking questions instead of being some noob who makes YouTube videos about taking inject-able Dbol for 6 months and getting grounded by his father. Seriously bro. Critical thinking is lost in this world.

but there's a couple things I'm wondering if someone is able to explain to me. Liqui-Aromas ran at 12.5 means I'll need 2 bottles. Y wouldn't I run Adex instead? It'd be a little cheaper an don't they do the same job?

If price is your main concern then my solution for you is to get liquidex from n2bm. I haven’t tried it but I keep hearing how obnoxiously awesome it is. I actually just read Dylan’s reply to a post about their products and right now it’s by two, get one free so you’ll get 3 bottles.
Now here is the science for you bro:
Arimadex and Aromasin are somewhat similar, afterall they both sort of have the “aroma/arimi” prefix. Aromasin’s chemical name is exemestane and Arimadex’s chemical name is anastrazole. Both affect the aromatase enzyme, a.k.a. estrogen synth “ase”, I’ve explained to several folks on this board that anything with “ase” as a suffix in medicinal terms is an enzyme; e.g. salivary amylaze, is the enzyme that starts digestion in the mouth.
As stated by both of us, Adex and Aromasin serve the same purpose. However, the vehicle in which they work serve is different indeed. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. It binds to the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for converting hormones to estradiol/estrogen, and commits suicide with the enzyme, thus killing it at rendering it useless. Arimadex is an aromatase inhibitor by BLOCKING, not binding. It blocks the enzyme from its desired receptor. This may sound good in theory, but you have all of that aromatase that builds up. What if you miss the dosage by a day, or two. Then all of that armotase floods the receptor and gyno can progress. Another aspect of Dex; It’s steroidal so it taxes the endocrine system in the same way that steroids do. This has several negative variables:
1. LH and FSH aren’t left intact (Aromasin has a positive effect on both, as well as on GH).
2. PCT/bounceback is longer.
3. Your estro levels may rise greater once off cycle.
The aforementioned are reasons why I personally recommend Aromasin. I have taken A-Dex on cycle and Aromasin in my PCT before but now I prefer to run Aromasin on cycle as well. AS I DID say, Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding has a great deal on liquidex and a lot of bros are reporting great results with it and there is a buy 2 get 1 free sale going on. I have been considering partaking and getting 6 myself because that would clear up ai and pct for the next 2 cycles. Here is the link for that: Liquidex AI

And will anything I'm running for cycle support hinder my gains? I read some were "cycle support supplements will help with sides but also hinder gains abit". Any truth to this?

Because aromasin allows for some estrogen, we need estrogen for gains believe it or not, plus bone calcification and libido; Aromasin is the better option here. I do not find that AIs affect my gains, as mine are always solid on cycle. Letro however, will definitely affect gains like no other.Arimadex never did anything to my gains either, though my PCT was a bit more rough. Arimadex CANNOT be used as a PCT because it will continue to shut you down.

 

[gymfean]

well I'd hope my dad would know better than to ground me I am 24.haha..... but yes my man I appreciate it I'll ask all the questions I need to knowledge is power. and I appreciate everyone on here being so willing to take the time to reply. I'm satisfied I pick the right site. I've seen a lot of sites where they crucify you for asking questions instead of doing the researching them yourself..... don't get me wrong everything that's been recommended to me I have researched but its nice to hear it from people that have been there and done that in can steer me in the right direction.

I had to read that 3 times to take it all in but yeah I understand now why aromas is the better option. it's not about saving money its about getting the better product. its always nice to save a couple dollars but health comes first.

I've learned a lot and I feel I'm ready to start ordering stuff for my cycle. Hopefully I learned enough that my next cycle I won't have to ask many questions.lol.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Make sure you use Dylan10 at checkout. That guy Dylan on here has codes for their product.