Tren gyno SUCKS!

[Nighthawkk]

So I'm in my week 12 of 500mg sust and third week of tren 50mg ED, and I have no choice now but to stop the tren due to gyno issues. My nips are ridiculously puffy and very sore, and small lumps are still present. Even with 0.5mg dostinex twice a week it hasn't subsided, and I started the dost two weeks ago. Originally the deca was the cause of my gyno issues and I dropped it in week 8, but now it just got worse even while I've been using A-dex, nolv, dostinex and AIFM. I'm gonna try getting rid of it by running letro/nolv for a while, but it sucks because the tren was really starting to work well this week. I've had gyno issues before but never this bad, and nolv always got rid of it. I'm still baffled as to why it has been so bad this time around. Does anyone else ever experience this sort of problem with tren?

 

[black sheep]

It sound like your problem is with Progesterone and not Prolactin. I don't have a lot of experience with Prog gyno, but Winny should help. Try replacing your tren with winny for the last few weeks to see if you can kill the prog gyno.

Stay away from nandrolones in the future

 

[Nighthawkk]

Hmm..hard to tell, but I dunno why all of a sudden I would have issues with progesterone. I never had deca gyno in the past, even when not running anti-e's. My guess is maybe the dbol/deca started the problem and then the tren just exacerbated the pre-existing gyno. My left nipple is actually hurting without me even touching it so I really had no choice but to drop the tren and just keep the test. Maybe I could replace it with winny like you said.

 

[swordfish151]

Agreed with black sheep...personally when i run my upcoming cycle with tren included im going to be running letro/nolva during..just to avoid such problems....

 

[mookie]

Try the nolvadex/femera combo should help with the gyno, your running test so hopefully the femera won't kill your sex drive.

 

[metamorphasis]

Hopefully you wont need dostinex to get rid of the gyno. That stuff is expensive.
Good luck

 

[Jon79]

good luck bro! try the winny

 

[ego boner]

wasnt winny that girl on wonder years?

 

[krishna]

It's not just the tren, it's the combination of tren with test. Prolactin and progesterone can seriously aggravate gyno, but estrogen is needed to start the process. It's the combination, not just the tren. That's another reason I don't use test that much anymore. Studies have shown that bromo will lower progesterone levels significantly more than dostinex, the reverse is true for prolactin, although the differences aren't as great. The problem with tren and deca is that they can activate progesterone receptors on their own without any conversion. Bromo would be more likely to help with recovery by keeping actual levels of progesterone down while the esters clear your system. Some people just aren't cut out to stack test/tren or test/deca.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

its probably unwise to run nolva when you are running tren alone, nolva upregulates PR expression

 

[turbogreek]

wasnt winny that girl on wonder years?

 

[Nighthawkk]

its probably unwise to run nolva when you are running tren alone, nolva upregulates PR expression

Should I just drop the nolv for now then? How long should I wait before starting to use it again?

 

[sparetire]

So I'm in my week 12 of 500mg sust and third week of tren 50mg ED, and I have no choice now but to stop the tren due to gyno issues. My nips are ridiculously puffy and very sore, and small lumps are still present. Even with 0.5mg dostinex twice a week it hasn't subsided, and I started the dost two weeks ago. Originally the deca was the cause of my gyno issues and I dropped it in week 8, but now it just got worse even while I've been using A-dex, nolv, dostinex and AIFM. I'm gonna try getting rid of it by running letro/nolv for a while, but it sucks because the tren was really starting to work well this week. I've had gyno issues before but never this bad, and nolv always got rid of it. I'm still baffled as to why it has been so bad this time around. Does anyone else ever experience this sort of problem with tren?

bro, tren is evil. I've been fighting the gyno that I got from tren (after 2 dosages!!) for the past 6 weeks. It's now become a large grape under my right nip. Nothing has worked I have RAN everything. But guess what? I have an appt. with the plastic surgeon this thursday!

 

[nomad12]

This is scary I just started my tren/prop cycle 3 days ago. I am swapping adex and letro eod and running dostinex. I pray I dont have problems. I doing 50 mg of each a day. That is the lowest dose I can do (1/2 cc a day) and have to both the tren and prop because its blended.

 

[black sheep]

Primo Haters take notice to this thread..

 

[sparetire]

Primo Haters take notice to this thread..

I think a lot of guys hate primo now especially since the number #1 primo pusher has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, but honestly, I have tried a crap load of different steroids, and I have to admit, primo wasn't bad at all. I did all the research (what I could find + people's experience here) about tren. Tren, on the outside, looks like a great steroid to use, that's why I ended up trying it out. But the number 1 under reported side effect from tren is that little prolactin issue that about 50% of the users get from it, and , it results in gyno that can't be eliminated with your normal pct stuff. I think, speaking from personal experience, some people are just genetically engineered to get gyno from certain steroids, and tren is one of them for me. I've used eq, masteron, tbol, dbol, test (all types), winny, crappy prohormones, never had an issue..i always stayed away from deca, because I heard about that imfamous "deca dick" . If I knew before hand that deca and tren were nandrolone based, I would have never tried that. Obviously, what I thought was good researching on my part, wasn't very good at all, because I should have known this before hand.

With all of this beeing said, I would warn anyone who hasn't used Tren before to take a good hard look , because guys who have several cycles or more under their belts, know about proper pct, etc, are getting gyno from TREN. It's been a sore rash on here lately with more and more bro's getting gyno from tren, IMO, it's just NOT worth it. Yeah, it works great, with little bloat, but what do I have to show for it now? GYNO. And I'll be out 5k if I can't swindle my ins. into paying this. I'm not blaming anyone but my own ignorance on not doing a more thorough research on my behalf, but, just beware guys, tren isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

 

[black sheep]

I think a lot of guys hate primo now especially since the number #1 primo pusher has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, but honestly, I have tried a crap load of different steroids, and I have to admit, primo wasn't bad at all. I did all the research (what I could find + people's experience here) about tren. Tren, on the outside, looks like a great steroid to use, that's why I ended up trying it out. But the number 1 under reported side effect from tren is that little prolactin issue that about 50% of the users get from it, and , it results in gyno that can't be eliminated with your normal pct stuff. I think, speaking from personal experience, some people are just genetically engineered to get gyno from certain steroids, and tren is one of them for me. I've used eq, masteron, tbol, dbol, test (all types), winny, crappy prohormones, never had an issue..i always stayed away from deca, because I heard about that imfamous "deca dick" . If I knew before hand that deca and tren were nandrolone based, I would have never tried that. Obviously, what I thought was good researching on my part, wasn't very good at all, because I should have known this before hand.

With all of this beeing said, I would warn anyone who hasn't used Tren before to take a good hard look , because guys who have several cycles or more under their belts, know about proper pct, etc, are getting gyno from TREN. It's been a sore rash on here lately with more and more bro's getting gyno from tren, IMO, it's just NOT worth it. Yeah, it works great, with little bloat, but what do I have to show for it now? GYNO. And I'll be out 5k if I can't swindle my ins. into paying this. I'm not blaming anyone but my own ignorance on not doing a more thorough research on my behalf, but, just beware guys, tren isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Yeah - I agree with your assesment of why people are bashing primo.. But it is ignorance for people to bash for that reason.

IF AG turned scammer would everyone bash PCT?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nolva + progestin =

nolva upregulates PR expression because of its agonist properties.

 

[ufcjunkie]

I've never tried tren just because I have done deca........and that definately gives me gyno. Also I have used winny to try and counter my deca gyno, and it didn't do anything for my gyno. I stick to the tests and eq.

 

[Nighthawkk]

I think a lot of guys hate primo now especially since the number #1 primo pusher has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, but honestly, I have tried a crap load of different steroids, and I have to admit, primo wasn't bad at all. I did all the research (what I could find + people's experience here) about tren. Tren, on the outside, looks like a great steroid to use, that's why I ended up trying it out. But the number 1 under reported side effect from tren is that little prolactin issue that about 50% of the users get from it, and , it results in gyno that can't be eliminated with your normal pct stuff. I think, speaking from personal experience, some people are just genetically engineered to get gyno from certain steroids, and tren is one of them for me. I've used eq, masteron, tbol, dbol, test (all types), winny, crappy prohormones, never had an issue..i always stayed away from deca, because I heard about that imfamous "deca dick" . If I knew before hand that deca and tren were nandrolone based, I would have never tried that. Obviously, what I thought was good researching on my part, wasn't very good at all, because I should have known this before hand.

With all of this beeing said, I would warn anyone who hasn't used Tren before to take a good hard look , because guys who have several cycles or more under their belts, know about proper pct, etc, are getting gyno from TREN. It's been a sore rash on here lately with more and more bro's getting gyno from tren, IMO, it's just NOT worth it. Yeah, it works great, with little bloat, but what do I have to show for it now? GYNO. And I'll be out 5k if I can't swindle my ins. into paying this. I'm not blaming anyone but my own ignorance on not doing a more thorough research on my behalf, but, just beware guys, tren isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Good post bro, thanks for sharing. I really don't want to have to resort to any surgery down the road, hence dropping the tren so maybe a little reversal can take place. I definitely think the dostinex is in full effect right now because I notice a dramatic sex drive increase, so maybe the prolactin will be low enough that I can combat the gyno in other ways soon?

 

[drrman]

Try the nolvadex/femera combo should help with the gyno, your running test so hopefully the femera won't kill your sex drive.

very bad advice.....nolva and tren is not a good idea, plus femara will NOT help with fina related gyno

 

[shape]

ok what if anything combats or prevents tren related gyno?

 

[black sheep]

ok what if anything combats or prevents tren related gyno?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that I am. Bromo works best on Prog. and Dostinex works best on prolactin, so a combo of both would likely be the answer.

I would say that a Prop/Tren/Winny cycle with Bromo and Dostinex would be the answer to keep the Tren gyno issues at bay.

Anyone have any feedback on this??? Macro or Ulter??

 

[Zuperman]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that I am. Bromo works best on Prog. and Dostinex works best on prolactin, so a combo of both would likely be the answer.

I would say that a Prop/Tren/Winny cycle with Bromo and Dostinex would be the answer to keep the Tren gyno issues at bay.

Anyone have any feedback on this??? Macro or Ulter??

Ur right!! I had it before, putitary/prolactin gyno , bromo works sometimes but bromo sides r fucked up. Did u ever dream of slitting ur throut?
Nightmares that are so realistic u'll freaken cry!
I dropped bromo and had surgury bro.

 

[mookie]

very bad advice.....nolva and tren is not a good idea, plus femara will NOT help with fina related gyno

He is dropping the tren and I got gyno from deca and nolva/femera worked for me so were is the bad advice?

 

[mookie]

very bad advice.....nolva and tren is not a good idea, plus femara will NOT help with fina related gyno

Where did you hear femera is not good for progesterone gyno?

 

[sparetire]

a-dex/nolva didn't do squat for me, so i switched over to femara/nolva, but i can't tell whether the lumps gone down a bit or i lost body fat. I hope it's the lump, but either way, i'm still getting a consultation for the surgery. Bromo or dost are supposed to keep the sides of tren/deca down, but dost really doesn't have any sides. i've tried everything to get rid of this hard lump..nothing..i guess the knife will do.. how long does it take for you to heal? <7 days?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

AI's may help with progestenic issues because they down regulate PR expression. Nolva may exacerbate progestenic issues because it upregulates PR expression.

progestenic sides are difficult to control and often due to their activity they may also cause prolactin issues.

this varies from drug to drug and person to person... there is no single protocol for progestenic sides.

 

[krishna]

Bromo makes me have good dreams; in fact, I haven't gotten any negative sides from it. It is actually being used in Europe as an anti-aging medication because it restores dopamine levels in the brain. Bromo actually has a lot of good benefits to it, and is worth taking IMO. Dostinex, on the other hand, why bother? All it does is control for prolactin. With bromo, you can lower prolactin, lower progesterone, and get the anti-aging benefits from it.

 

[nomad12]

whats a good dosage for bromo?

 

[Nighthawkk]

Just to update this thread, I've nearly eliminated all pain and soreness in both nips over the past week while I was on vacation. Basically I dropped the nolv a few days before I left and continued with high-dose AIFM (two pumps twice daily) and 0.5mg dostinex E3D. Some slight puffiness still remains visible, but not nearly as much as there was before. I'm going to hope that goes away when I start running nolv again right before PCT. Anyways, I don't know if it was the AIFM dose, the dost, or the dropping of tren, or even a placebo effect from being on vacation that was the main cause- I just know it's going away, so I can't complain

 

[mookie]

Good to hear.

 

[boston789]

I feel you man. If you've read my thread about my nipples leaking you know. Ive ran tren 3 seperate times in the past year a half, never had any side effects. I stopped my test/tren/winny cycle mid-january and just the other day my nipples starting leaking fluid. I always said how I dont get the sides from tren. I mean ive ran tren by itself and it did not effect my sex drive at all. I guess tren sides can creep up on you after months of taking it. Even though I love tren I do not see myself using it again. In fact, after my test/eq/var cycle I wont be using nandrol.'s anymore. You live and learn I guess.

 

[drrman]

Where did you hear femera is not good for progesterone gyno?

thanks for the bad karma bro(3 days later)! anyways femara is not very good for progesterone induced gyno...i know from experience and research bro....make you a post or poll if you don't believe me...ask mac or some other guy you might believe......and nolvadex is a bad idea with tren also as it can make the prog problem even worse.....anyways.....I DID READ THE POST YOU MORON!!!

 

[mookie]

thanks for the bad karma bro(3 days later)! anyways femara is not very good for progesterone induced gyno...i know from experience and research bro....make you a post or poll if you don't believe me...ask mac or some other guy you might believe......and nolvadex is a bad idea with tren also as it can make the prog problem even worse.....anyways.....I DID READ THE POST YOU MORON!!!

Only given back what you gave me anyway if you read his original post he said he was dropping the tren and I beg the differ with the femera from personel experience don't need a poll already know it works. Karma doesn't really mean nothing to me I am here to help and I only make post on stuff that I did and have experience on and I got gyno from deca and femera worked.

 

[drrman]

Only given back what you gave me anyway if you read his original post he said he was dropping the tren and I beg the differ with the femera from personel experience don't need a poll already know it works. Karma doesn't really mean nothing to me I am here to help and I only make post on stuff that I did and have experience on and I got gyno from deca and femera worked.

ok..its dropped but to clarify things buddy you gave me the bad karma first! and you know you are a fucking lier if you say different!!

 

[Demonix]

I had some gyno from fina first time I ran it. Then I did some winny, and that took care of it. But I'm not sure if it is due to cutting and losing fat or the winny actually reversing it.

I tend to feel the winny actually reversed it somehow no matter how wrong that sounds. Because now the second time I am running tren I am using winny at same time, and not even once an itchy nipple yet in 5 weeks.

 

[ALIN]

It sound like your problem is with Progesterone and not Prolactin. I don't have a lot of experience with Prog gyno, but Winny should help. Try replacing your tren with winny for the last few weeks to see if you can kill the prog gyno.

Stay away from nandrolones in the future

sounds like progesterone to me. make sure to avoid tren and deca in future.

 

[Prizz]

This is scary info to me..... Cause I'm very gyno prone, and have used Tren probably more then any other AAS..... I've NEVER had any gyno issues from it, even on very high doses..... I guess you never know, and every one is different..... The scary part is that it's so hard to control, can't just pop some Nolva, and symptoms go away...... Glad to hear the puffiness has decreased bro.... Good luck...

rizz