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Tren E/ace together?

trt newbie said:
I've also been looking into this stuff called GW501560 aka caradine it sounds awesome.
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Yes if you get a quality source. My first batch from a company was amazing. Cardio endurance increased. Lifting endurance increased. Cut some fat without changing diets.
The second batch from them seemed to fall way short. Way way short. So I don't know what I'll do. Because of their price, I probably won't risk buying them elsewhere and stick to the aas lol
 
Ya it sounds freak'n awesome.. But ya 100$ a bottle is kind of expensive. And if I wasn't happy with the results I would be pretty pissed. I'll probably just stick with the juice too haha
 
Alright boys how does this this sound starting today, I'm changing goals to full out lean mass phase again... To much wasted time recomping, if I loose some abs for summer so be it.

Test bumped from 400-900 (maybe a gram)

Tren dropped to 600 maybe even 500

Adding anadrol at 100mg ED for 5 weeks

I want to add EQ but I'm not really sure if it's worth it when I can just increase my test dose instead... Probably more bang for my buck to just run a high dose of test to grow rather than add another mild compound that I would have to run at a high dose anyways

This will be a long cycle but I plan to drop the tren completely in 8-10 weeks bringing it to 22 weeks'ish

After this i will then take a couple months to cruise at 400 test (high I know but it's been a good cruise dose for me) before I blast again which will most likely be deca for winter

And has anyone had experience stacking dbol and drol together? Is it worth it? Or should I just run higher dose drol which I know blows me the fuck up already
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
Alright boys how does this this sound starting today, I'm changing goals to full out lean mass phase again... To much wasted time recomping, if I loose some abs for summer so be it.

Test bumped from 400-900 (maybe a gram)

Tren dropped to 600 maybe even 500

Adding anadrol at 100mg ED for 5 weeks

I want to add EQ but I'm not really sure if it's worth it when I can just increase my test dose instead... Probably more bang for my buck to just run a high dose of test to grow rather than add another mild compound that I would have to run at a high dose anyways

This will be a long cycle but I plan to drop the tren completely in 8-10 weeks bringing it to 22 weeks'ish

After this i will then take a couple months to cruise at 400 test (high I know but it's been a good cruise dose for me) before I blast again which will most likely be deca for winter

And has anyone had experience stacking dbol and drol together? Is it worth it? Or should I just run higher dose drol which I know blows me the fuck up already
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Sounds great! I think eq would be worth it esp. If you're doing a 20 weeker, appetite, mild strength etc would be great.

Personally id do

1-5 100mgs drol
1-20 750mgs eq
1-10 400mgs tren
1-20 1000mgs test

Maybe time to think about the other goodies, little GH, Slin and thyroid. Maybe even swap tren for npp
 
Infact i would drop tren soon man and go with NPP, tren must be taking its toll on you by now, just my thoughts
 
bigorse said:
Infact i would drop tren soon man and go with NPP, tren must be taking its toll on you by now, just my thoughts
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It is man, it's fucking hectic Lolol haven't had a good nights sleep in goddamn ages!!! But I've been blasting it at such high doses I think it wouldn't be so bad if I dropped it down, I really wanna run NPP but Short esters are so Fakin expensive!!

My food bill is only gunna increase from here too! I think of anything I'd just taper off the tren completely and replace it with EQ... Then maybe kick start my deca blast with NPP come winter

You got thoughts on dbol/drol combo??

Or should I just go with my bread and butter drol at 100

Also really wanna run slin, I'd just like to educate myself a bit more on the required nutrition protocol with it... O seen fuckers just get fat as shit using it wrong hahaha
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
It is man, it's fucking hectic Lolol haven't had a good nights sleep in goddamn ages!!! But I've been blasting it at such high doses I think it wouldn't be so bad if I dropped it down, I really wanna run NPP but Short esters are so Fakin expensive!!

My food bill is only gunna increase from here too! I think of anything I'd just taper off the tren completely and replace it with EQ... Then maybe kick start my deca blast with NPP come winter

You got thoughts on dbol/drol combo??

Or should I just go with my bread and butter drol at 100

Also really wanna run slin, I'd just like to educate myself a bit more on the required nutrition protocol with it... O seen fuckers just get fat as shit using it wrong hahaha
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Zmj has a lot of experience with slin, hopefully he jumps in.

Ive never stacked drol and dbol but methylsten and sdrol stacked was my favorite combo so far so i could see there being synergy in stacking orals
 
bigorse said:
Zmj has a lot of experience with slin, hopefully he jumps in.

Ive never stacked drol and dbol but methylsten and sdrol stacked was my favorite combo so far so i could see there being synergy in stacking orals
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Beauty, just pinned a nice mix of
My last ml of ace, had some
Test prop kickin around so added .5ml of that which I'll do EOD while my
T400 slowly increases over the next week or 2, and a ml of T400, and now
My drol bottle is getttttttin popped hahaha!! It's go time!!!

Also having a mass feast day today to start things off right! Really get
Those gains goin hahaha
 
Nice bro I'm jelly.. It makes me want to go strait from Tren to npp at like 5-600 and up my test to 800 and run whinny off and on whole cycle.. But I think I'll just off for 2 months and hit it hard again next cycle.. I'm thinking 800test 5-600ace and adex at .25 everyday instead of mast. And maybe run var the whole time.. Either that or winny off and on the whole cycle. I'm trying to stay lean for summer. Then in summer Ima bulk the fuck up and hop on that drol train
 
trt newbie said:
In winter bulk up*
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Yeah hahaha I've set up a pretty sick diet plan, hopefully I stay pretty shredded. Gunna cycle carbs/calories according to daily activity. Having my last day of free eating today to spark my metabolism to be ready for the increase of cals, then it's eat big but eat clean from here on out (with the odd pizza here and there Bahaha)

I already had drol placebo for legs this morning, was repping 315 on the squats for 12 deep like nothing 😂😂

Gunna go hammer arms soon before my tater tots and chicken nuggets dinner lolllll inner fat child comin out to play today, found a new kiddie cereal batman special edition caramel crunch... Hammered back like 2/3 of the box already wit fat free yogurt... Gunna have an unreal pump!

Kind of wish I'd times my cut better so I could be peeled as fuck for summer but in all honesty I could care less... A whole year of bulking from now with a couple in between mini month cuts and next summer I'll be a shredded annnnnnimal
 
Damn bro that sounds like a plan haha I'm about to hop on your boat.. Getting big is addicting tho bro after I started gaining on that Tren I was like holy shit I'm getting big.. Especially the pump at the gym 😳 I'll look in the mirror like fuck ya... I'm going to try and keep my size just lean out a little if I start to get smaller I'll up my carbs and add some drol😜 lol jk idk yet I kind of want to just do some drol right now you got me wanting to try it so bad.. But I just started winny so I'll finish what I have and see how I feel after and if I'm ready for another blast I'll go right into it.. I really want to try npp.. For like a 12 weeker or so. With high test.. I just don't want to blow up to much until after summer.
 
trt newbie said:
Damn bro that sounds like a plan haha I'm about to hop on your boat.. Getting big is addicting tho bro after I started gaining on that Tren I was like holy shit I'm getting big.. Especially the pump at the gym 😳 I'll look in the mirror like fuck ya... I'm going to try and keep my size just lean out a little if I start to get smaller I'll up my carbs and add some drol😜 lol jk idk yet I kind of want to just do some drol right now you got me wanting to try it so bad.. But I just started winny so I'll finish what I have and see how I feel after and if I'm ready for another blast I'll go right into it.. I really want to try npp.. For like a 12 weeker or so. With high test.. I just don't want to blow up to much until after summer.
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Yeah no doubt haha I'll probably somewhat regret it when I'm feelin like a fat ass on the beach buuuut at least I'll be thick as all hell.

I started drol last time at 187 pounds too, this one from 215, if it does the same thin I could be 240 pounds within the month 😐 hahahaha.

Cals will be a little less wild this go around though but I'm still hoping for 25 pounds in the 5 weeks keep 20 probs
 
Careful with the BP on drol and tren. I can feel my BP raise on drol. And I'm adding tren Monday. I know you know that. But always nice to have a reminder.
 
My mid summer blast is getting kicked with drol for sure you guys sold me on it man.. Drol ace and test.. And adex for my first time..
 
Saiyan7 said:
Careful with the BP on drol and tren. I can feel my BP raise on drol. And I'm adding tren Monday. I know you know that. But always nice to have a reminder.
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Yes sir!! I found that one out the hard way last run, was trainin high volume all supersets and drop sets to failure... Almost passed out on my way out the gym when the adrenaline and rush wore off, went straight to the drug mart and checked my BP and sure enough, real high.... I always cut out all stims even my morning coffe when I have drol in me now it makes a big difference. And I now have a little portable Bedside BP tracker which is awesome for these little blasts where it's a concern.

Do you guys chew or crush your orals? I was told today to always chew them or crush them first because sometimes the pill just passes through without getting the full benefit. I chewed all of my tabs today for the first time... Don't know if it will make a difference but why not I guess
 
Yeah I thought it was kind of a strange idea, but I'll give it a go... I'm also for the first time splitting my doses. 50mg in the morning with breakfast 2 hours pre training than 25mg after my post workout meal than 25mg with my bed time snack.

Always just tossed my mass based orals all down the hatch at once since I'm always on other compounds I figured blood stability is pretty irrelevant since I'm always anabolic regardless. Always good to try new things though, had some very minor stomach issues last time just not wanting to eat and feeling a bit cramps so we'll see if that makes any difference too.

Starting weight 215 (with clothes) so 213ish real weight. Time to see what happens!!

How long does it take enanthate to build back up? Like I was at 400 and I've raised to 1G as of today... Will it take 2 weeks to peak or is it faster cuz it's already in your blood and just has to adjust itself
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
Yeah I thought it was kind of a strange idea, but I'll give it a go... I'm also for the first time splitting my doses. 50mg in the morning with breakfast 2 hours pre training than 25mg after my post workout meal than 25mg with my bed time snack.

Always just tossed my mass based orals all down the hatch at once since I'm always on other compounds I figured blood stability is pretty irrelevant since I'm always anabolic regardless. Always good to try new things though, had some very minor stomach issues last time just not wanting to eat and feeling a bit cramps so we'll see if that makes any difference too.

Starting weight 215 (with clothes) so 213ish real weight. Time to see what happens!!

How long does it take enanthate to build back up? Like I was at 400 and I've raised to 1G as of today... Will it take 2 weeks to peak or is it faster cuz it's already in your blood and just has to adjust itself
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I find build up times to be quick when going from trt to a blast, 2-3 weeks for me with test e.

Abd the BP monitor is a must, cheap and important to keep a track on it. Little cialis with drop your systol and diastol down a few points too
 
bigorse said:
I find build up times to be quick when going from trt to a blast, 2-3 weeks for me with test e.

Abd the BP monitor is a must, cheap and important to keep a track on it. Little cialis with drop your systol and diastol down a few points too
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Good shit! That's what i like to hear, still get a solid 3 weeks with the drol and test both peakin'

Lol ingested 6000kcal today 😂 good start to the mass phase!!! Just capped the midnight snack with waffles peanutbutter and jam and a protein shake with some frozen yogurt blended in... Mmmmmmmmm gaaainnnnssssss
 
Oh never mind I looked back at the post lol.. I think I'll do about 5 weeks too when I use it for a kick. Is it really as harsh as they say? With winny I get liver pain here and there but as soon as I add my liv52 it go's away.. I take the liv52 twice a day 3 each time.. I love the stuff
 
Do you guys get Tren cough all the time I haven't yet but today I fell like I almost got it I felt a slow pressure build up in my lungs that made me want to cough a little like right after injection.. I got a little nervous as it was building up but it never got crazy.. I hear stories of guys thinking there going to die lol.
 
trt newbie said:
Do you guys get Tren cough all the time I haven't yet but today I fell like I almost got it I felt a slow pressure build up in my lungs that made me want to cough a little like right after injection.. I got a little nervous as it was building up but it never got crazy.. I hear stories of guys thinking there going to die lol.
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Yo that's the exact feeling I get my throat gets like tight for a few seconds and I get a it lightheaded, probably every 8th or so injection average I get it! And I donno man with the orals like I'm sure they aren't good for you but I also believe the toxicity is over hyped, like especially if you don't drink or do any other liver harming shit it can't be any worse than havin a few drinks every day, I just pop milk thistle like candy and I'm all good hahaha
 
Bro I just watched a few phill Heath workouts.. Man the dudes a fucking beast.. He's humble as shit too I like him a lot.. I can't wait to be half that size haha. One of these days hopefully
 
trt newbie said:
Bro I just watched a few phill Heath workouts.. Man the dudes a fucking beast.. He's humble as shit too I like him a lot.. I can't wait to be half that size haha. One of these days hopefully
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Heath is an animal!!! You should check out Regan Grimes, he's only 22 years old, and just won the super heavies at the ARNOLDS Brazil. He's a fucking monster!!! And so young and humble as well, he's got an insane future ahead of him
 
It's like wtf does it take to look like that 😫 I'll do it!! Haha or to even have a chest remotely close to that. I look at bb'ers with perfect huge chest and I get so fucking frustrated.. Like how the fuck do you have a chest that perfect bro.
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
Ohhhh fuck Ye buds! Killin dem gains!

Man I literally feel like I could train twice a day 7 days a week when I'm peakin on cycle like this... Today was gunna be rest day but I was jus feelin pumped so I went and did a crazy volume shoulder day with a bit lighter weight and reps all in the 15-20 range and I'm callin that my rest day 😂

Takes more discipline for me NOT to train, so I was jus like fuck it I'll eat an extra 800 cals and I'll be good hahaha
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I know what you mean bro it takes so much out of me to take a rest day. I usually don't but when I do it's because I'm fucking exhausted.. I think I'm going to take a rest day today (think) lol. I've only gotten 3 hours of sleep these last two nights in fucking pooped. But when I get home from work I'll think about it for 20 min and end up going haha. Plus I switched back to my old pre workout and I've been really killing it at the gym... If I go today i was going to hit legs and I think I'm to tired for that shit.. Lol. I might just go try and sit by a pool somewhere and try and clear up this acne a little I need that shit gone before summer. 😫
 
trt newbie said:
I know what you mean bro it takes so much out of me to take a rest day. I usually don't but when I do it's because I'm fucking exhausted.. I think I'm going to take a rest day today (think) lol. I've only gotten 3 hours of sleep these last two nights in fucking pooped. But when I get home from work I'll think about it for 20 min and end up going haha. Plus I switched back to my old pre workout and I've been really killing it at the gym... If I go today i was going to hit legs and I think I'm to tired for that shit.. Lol. I might just go try and sit by a pool somewhere and try and clear up this acne a little I need that shit gone before summer. 😫
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Goddamnit me to!!! Been rockin the loofa harddddd in the shower like 3x a day hahaha just gettin real deep in them pours.

Then I tren sweat all night and cancel it all out anyways Hahaha Fml 🙈😐

I got chest day today, and I have some extra time later on so I might smash some quads n glutes too... Double day bruh!!
 
220 smackers and countin!! 😂

Abs are startin to fade away a bit but I'm fairly confident it's just some water... But that's 6 pounds in 6 days LOL. Just lookin full as all hell, it's actually weird too like as I eat through the day my definition actually gets better and better, then after my last meal I'm just a bloated mess but normally I look my best in the morning... Now probably 3/4 through the day I look my best
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
220 smackers and countin!! 😂

Abs are startin to fade away a bit but I'm fairly confident it's just some water... But that's 6 pounds in 6 days LOL. Just lookin full as all hell, it's actually weird too like as I eat through the day my definition actually gets better and better, then after my last meal I'm just a bloated mess but normally I look my best in the morning... Now probably 3/4 through the day I look my best
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As long as you still have abs that's all that matters lol. But ya most likely it's just a little water bloat. But damn 6 lbs in 6 days that's what's up I can't wait to try it man it should be about 2-3 months then I'm jumping on the drol wagon 😁💪🏼
 
Running tren e and a and drol?
Aggressive.. I can see potential benefits from both Esther's but I don't necessarily agree that the gains would be more plentiful utilizing both.
Only real difference is half life you would think. The dozeage being higher may be the factor here.
But I can't see the concentration in the blood stream actually changing that much...
Subbed to see how this goes out.

I know hex used to be big but only blend I use is sust.

Looking pretty lean though.
 
Another note- if ANYTHING why wouldn't you front load with ace until
The enan kicked in.. I just don't see the point of this run at all lol.
 
TravFlex91 said:
Another note- if ANYTHING why wouldn't you front load with ace until
The enan kicked in.. I just don't see the point of this run at all lol.
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It was purely experimentation, im back on just the enanthate... I was already 12 or so weeks in when I added the ace, but the benefits weren't worth the extra money.

Now I'm finishing this blast with test/tren/drol before I cruise for a few months to get every pound I can outta this cycle... So that's the point to this run... To grow from 190-230 0r more in 20 weeks. See the point now?
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
It was purely experimentation, im back on just the enanthate... I was already 12 or so weeks in when I added the ace, but the benefits weren't worth the extra money.

Now I'm finishing this blast with test/tren/drol before I cruise for a few months to get every pound I can outta this cycle... So that's the point to this run... To grow from 190-230 0r more in 20 weeks. See the point now?
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I see that you want to grow. I just didn't see the point of both Esther's, neither did you obviously since you dropped it.
What are you weighing now?
 
TravFlex91 said:
I see that you want to grow. I just didn't see the point of both Esther's, neither did you obviously since you dropped it.
What are you weighing now?
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220 today only 6 days into the drol, that's with clothes too so 218 give or take! And yeah your right it was kinda pointless 😂 worth a shot though hahaha
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
220 today only 6 days into the drol, that's with clothes too so 218 give or take! And yeah your right it was kinda pointless 😂 worth a shot though hahaha
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Buddy no judgement here! I've done all the pointless shit. Lol
What's your height? And what's your cals/macros ?

You've intrigued me lol
 
TravFlex91 said:
Buddy no judgement here! I've done all the pointless shit. Lol
What's your height? And what's your cals/macros ?

You've intrigued me lol
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No doubt haha,

I'm 5'11

My cals are cycled, but not to drastically, basically my training days I end up just over 4000kcal give or take 100 or 2 (I keep 20 mins of cardio in every day as well just LISS)

Rest days are about 3000 (still do my cardio on these days) difference mainly coming from carbs

Macros are approx 45/35/20
C/P/F

Usually on Saturdays I'll add in some shitty food like pizza and cookies or something hahaha doesn't seem to affect me to much cept the sodium bloats me for a couple days but I'm strong as all hell after these days for sure.

Also I'm not a huge advocate of nutrient timing, I think it's fairly irrelevant in the big picture. But on this go o have based all my carbs around training with mostly trace carbs with my proteins and fats later in the evening. Don't know if it's kept me leaner or not but the way my diet is set up it works out anyways with my meal plan so why not.
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
No doubt haha,

I'm 5'11

My cals are cycled, but not to drastically, basically my training days I end up just over 4000kcal give or take 100 or 2 (I keep 20 mins of cardio in every day as well just LISS)

Rest days are about 3000 (still do my cardio on these days) difference mainly coming from carbs

Macros are approx 45/35/20
C/P/F

Usually on Saturdays I'll add in some shitty food like pizza and cookies or something hahaha doesn't seem to affect me to much cept the sodium bloats me for a couple days but I'm strong as all hell after these days for sure.
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Man with 4000 cals a day you could eat "dirty " foods every day.
And sodium is actually a great tool regarding pumps lol.
Yeah I was going to say I only outweigh you by a few lbs I'm 223 naked empty stomach but I'm also 3" shorter lol.
 
TravFlex91 said:
Man with 4000 cals a day you could eat "dirty " foods every day.
And sodium is actually a great tool regarding pumps lol.
Yeah I was going to say I only outweigh you by a few lbs I'm 223 naked empty stomach but I'm also 3" shorter lol.
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Lolol man I shit you not I still like eating "clean" 95% of the time because I honestly have an endless appetite... Like I NEED volume in my meals I can punish 4000 cals and still be fucking hungry when I go to sleep 😂😂 awesome for da bulk horrid for the cuts.

When I cut I have to basically eliminate all carbs except endless veggies or else I'm just absolutely starving all day and then when I'm in a mass phase eating carbs all day I'm still hungry but I eat like 2 extra meals so it's not as bad Lolol. I still thrown in like fiber one brownies an shit like that but then I just let loose once a week and I stay lean that way
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
Lolol man I shit you not I still like eating "clean" 95% of the time because I honestly have an endless appetite... Like I NEED volume in my meals I can punish 4000 cals and still be fucking hungry when I go to sleep 😂😂 awesome for da bulk horrid for the cuts.

When I cut I have to basically eliminate all carbs except endless veggies or else I'm just absolutely starving all day and then when I'm in a mass phase eating carbs all day I'm still hungry but I eat like 2 extra meals so it's not as bad Lolol. I still thrown in like fiber one brownies an shit like that but then I just let loose once a week and I stay lean that way
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I eat cleaner foods mostly for the health benefits and the micronutrients. And as much as I believe macros are macros it's what I'm accustomed to and I feel more full on whole foods as well.
 
Hey guys I'm going back-and-forth on using Tren ace or enth on my next cut cycle I'm currently on both but want to pick one for my next cycle. Do you guys notice a difference in dryness between either one? Will ace make me less lethargic? I will also be using adex for my first time for the test considering Tren doesn't aromatize so I know that will help. I would prefer to use e because it's cheaper mg/mg and less injections.. What's your guys's opinions..?
 
trt newbie said:
Hey guys I'm going back-and-forth on using Tren ace or enth on my next cut cycle I'm currently on both but want to pick one for my next cycle. Do you guys notice a difference in dryness between either one? Will ace make me less lethargic? I will also be using adex for my first time for the test considering Tren doesn't aromatize so I know that will help. I would prefer to use e because it's cheaper mg/mg and less injections.. What's your guys's opinions..?
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I notice no difference between the 2, I would opt for the enanthate. I hate being a pin Cuision as well, makes life so much easier just hittin a couple shots a week. The negligable difference in dryness and sides isn't worth the extra cost and injections IMO. Probably the only time I'll ever use ace again is pre contest if I decide to get on stage next year. Or if I'm cruising and I just want to run a quick 6 week cut or something like that before I blast on another bulk. Long eaters>short esters in my books cept for the time they take to reach peak blood levels. But can always kick with an oral or a short ester if patience isn't a virtue Lolol
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
I notice no difference between the 2, I would opt for the enanthate. I hate being a pin Cuision as well, makes life so much easier just hittin a couple shots a week. The negligable difference in dryness and sides isn't worth the extra cost and injections IMO. Probably the only time I'll ever use ace again is pre contest if I decide to get on stage next year. Or if I'm cruising and I just want to run a quick 6 week cut or something like that before I blast on another bulk. Long eaters>short esters in my books cept for the time they take to reach peak blood levels. But can always kick with an oral or a short ester if patience isn't a virtue Lolol
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Nice! You sold me on it!! Enth it is lol I'll use the cash difference on drol 😜 lol and maybe some winny again for the end of the cycle..
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
I notice no difference between the 2, I would opt for the enanthate. I hate being a pin Cuision as well, makes life so much easier just hittin a couple shots a week. The negligable difference in dryness and sides isn't worth the extra cost and injections IMO. Probably the only time I'll ever use ace again is pre contest if I decide to get on stage next year. Or if I'm cruising and I just want to run a quick 6 week cut or something like that before I blast on another bulk. Long eaters>short esters in my books cept for the time they take to reach peak blood levels. But can always kick with an oral or a short ester if patience isn't a virtue Lolol
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This.


If it was me( keep in mind I love ace)

I would run prop and ace for 10 weeks.

If you opted to continue you could realistically introduce the longer Esther's at 8 weeks and continue on that route with less pinning frequency.
(I would run short Esther's the whole time )

Nothing beats the grainy dry look from prop and ace. I would even run eq in there.

I run tren for extended periods.


ONLY reason I'm on tren e right now is because I had 2 bottles sitting untouched.

As I peak and get closer to October/ possible show I'll swap for shorter Esther's.

I also like shorter Esther's in relation to sides- can hop off NOWSAP and start pct within a day or two.

Take it with a grain of salt.
 
This thread is still kicking ass. I've been MIA on it a few days so quick update. I started my tri tren Monday. Three pins this week. Only at 325mg this week. I'll assess from here. Preworkout today I'll be pinning 75mg tren Susp and 75mg test Susp. Hoping it is smooth lol
 
Saiyan7 said:
This thread is still kicking ass. I've been MIA on it a few days so quick update. I started my tri tren Monday. Three pins this week. Only at 325mg this week. I'll assess from here. Preworkout today I'll be pinning 75mg tren Susp and 75mg test Susp. Hoping it is smooth lol
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Have you used either of those suspension before? 60mgs of TNE was plenty for me!
 
I would do like 40-50mgs to start with man. The agrrssion is day and night noticeable on 60mgs of tne alone
 
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I would do like 40-50mgs to start with man. The agrrssion is day and night noticeable on 60mgs of tne alone
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I've never done less than 100mg Ed of suspension. What's the point?
You guys realize it was actually studied and clarified by a panel that this whole "roid rage" shit isn't very legitimate.
You couldn't claim roid rage in court.
You couldn't claim roid rage in a wcb claim..
If your hormones are that out of what you need better OCS .

Run the 100mg of test suspension a day- even better broken into two pins a day.

And what is tren suspension? I've never seen a water based tren in my life.
 
Trust me, 60mgs is plenty... even bostin loyd who is renowned for mega dosing only uses around 60mgs... and tren base/suspension is just ester less tren
 
I understand it would be estherless. I'm saying I have never seen it or heard tell of it.
Bostin has done programs for me before.
He splits 1cc suspension twice ED.
50mg pre workout is probably what you're referring to.

No point in that low of a dose.
 
Looooool BIG JUICE DADY!!! TEAM 3CC motha fuckkkaaaassss hahaha

That dude is an animal, his video clip of his pre contest drug protocol from a few years back is probably the greatest thing ever.

Fuck I'm feelin good this mornin, lookin a little bit leaner even again I think... Super hard to tell, I'm gunna have to start taking pics more often, hoping to be up another pound or so today.

Gunna do a double today, delts this morning with hammies/calves in the afternoon :)

But first we pin 600mgs of T400, and 300mgs of tren, with a couple pills of drol to wash it all down 😆 growwwww babyyyy growwwww
 
Trust me, 50mgs will do little as far as anabolic effect but it 100% will increase your aggression and training intensity, i loved it but it gets expensing fast
 
I went up to 100mgs as well and for the extra cost i didnt feel it was worth it compared to 60mgs (30mgs bilat into muscle trained about 45mins prewo)
 
What else were you on though? I was using other anabolics and TNE was just a prewo and i only used it on selct weak body parts or heavy days
 
TravFlex91 said:
This.


If it was me( keep in mind I love ace)

I would run prop and ace for 10 weeks.

If you opted to continue you could realistically introduce the longer Esther's at 8 weeks and continue on that route with less pinning frequency.
(I would run short Esther's the whole time )

Nothing beats the grainy dry look from prop and ace. I would even run eq in there.

I run tren for extended periods.


ONLY reason I'm on tren e right now is because I had 2 bottles sitting untouched.

As I peak and get closer to October/ possible show I'll swap for shorter Esther's.

I also like shorter Esther's in relation to sides- can hop off NOWSAP and start pct within a day or two.

Take it with a grain of salt.
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That's a good idea I'll probably add ace and discontinue the e at week 15 and go another 6 weeks or so.. With some winny 😈
 
View attachment 139468 blasted arms today felt pumped as fuck.. Can't wait to blast Tren again and I'm still on it lol this mast and winny together is the shit too. My diets been pretty on point this last week I'm definitely starting to lean out a lot more I just wish I was on point the whole run.. But if I was I don't think I would have gained so much I'm still around 215 and loosing bf as we speed lol. I'm hoping by the end of this run I'll be back down to 10% maybe even 8 if I'm hard enough on myself.
 
trt newbie said:
View attachment 139468 blasted arms today felt pumped as fuck.. Can't wait to blast Tren again and I'm still on it lol this mast and winny together is the shit too. My diets been pretty on point this last week I'm definitely starting to lean out a lot more I just wish I was on point the whole run.. But if I was I don't think I would have gained so much I'm still around 215 and loosing bf as we speed lol. I'm hoping by the end of this run I'll be back down to 10% maybe even 8 if I'm hard enough on myself.
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Shit'cha budday! Lookin swole! Gotta love that tren recomp Lolol stay the same weight and peel out! Boooom!

Chest looks like it's poppin too, solid work bruh! I'm up to 222 today LOL pound a day comin my way!! I'm gunna be Rollin into summer at a soft but thick 235 or so it looks like 😂😂 hopefully I fill out so much that my distended food baby ab gut looks normal Bahaha Fml
 
You'll be lookin good as fuck with that extra weight g.. But ya my chest is filling out slowly but surly I just have those difficult spots that don't want to. My left pec is actually bigger then my right 😑 and I have a huge spot with no muscle from when I cracked my sternum wrestling my body back in the fast plus I have a separated clavicle on my right shoulder from bmxing so it's hard to pack my shoulder on that side without getting a good squeeze.. I'm just all fucked up lol but it's coming along slowly but surly. As for shoulder pain the winny is starting to do its thing lol I was hoping it was going to be nice to me this time but the way it drys me out is almost worth it. Lol. What's your opinion on injectable winny? The lab I'm about to try has a pretty cool blend that caught my eye test prop Tren ace and winny 😳
 
Thanks man only if my belly can get a little more leaner haha I have like 0% fat on my arms and very low everywhere els but my lower belly holds the most I hate it. I've gotten the pinch test at my gym and they've told me I was 9% but I say I'm 12% by the way my belly looks. I have my upper abs but not the lower. My diets been 100% on point for about a week and a half now and before that it was about 80% on point. Now with this winny added in on top of Tren and mast I'm hoping to get down to where I look like I'm 8-10%. So we'll see 😁
 
View attachment 139469 clean diet and a little more cardio is coming along.. With the little twist of the hips and some good lighting 😜 lol.. I think if I keep it up until July I just might step on stage for my first time.. I mean I'm taking all this shit and killing it I might as well.
 
trt newbie said:
View attachment 139469 clean diet and a little more cardio is coming along.. With the little twist of the hips and some good lighting 😜 lol.. I think if I keep it up until July I just might step on stage for my first time.. I mean I'm taking all this shit and killing it I might as well.
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Atta boy!! Hahaha we have officially reversed, your gettin leaner and I'm back on the bulk train... Pretty soon you'll be posting your shred pics and I'll be posting my thick cunt pics 😂

All these thread updates are gettin me hyped on some gains today... Ima go back in for some arms ASAP. Hammies calves in the AM, arms
And cardio this afternoon with an asshat of food hahaha
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
Atta boy!! Hahaha we have officially reversed, your gettin leaner and I'm back on the bulk train... Pretty soon you'll be posting your shred pics and I'll be posting my thick cunt pics 😂

All these thread updates are gettin me hyped on some gains today... Ima go back in for some arms ASAP. Hammies calves in the AM, arms
And cardio this afternoon with an asshat of food hahaha
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😂😂 get it son!! I was going to go twice today but my girl seemed like she was getting pissed at the idea so I'm going to just kick back and watch a movie.. Happy wife happy life right
 
I'm trying to get super lean so by the time I start my next cycle I can kick it with drol and not look too soft.. I just want to try it so bad 😫. After this cycle I bought some var and clen for the period between cycles I'll be on my trt dose of test which is 200cyp 50mg var until I run out and I only have 100 unfortunately and there 20mg that's why I'm running it so low so I can stretch it out.. If you think I should just go to 60mg for a little shorter of a time let me know this is my first run with var.. As for the clen it's my first time as well ill be doing the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off tapering on both ends protocol.. My diet will stay on point and cardio will stay up.. But man this winny is treating me a lot better this time the joint pain has been slim to non and there is absolutely no complaints about that lol.
 
trt newbie said:
I'm trying to get super lean so by the time I start my next cycle I can kick it with drol and not look too soft.. I just want to try it so bad 😫. After this cycle I bought some var and clen for the period between cycles I'll be on my trt dose of test which is 200cyp 50mg var until I run out and I only have 100 unfortunately and there 20mg that's why I'm running it so low so I can stretch it out.. If you think I should just go to 60mg for a little shorter of a time let me know this is my first run with var.. As for the clen it's my first time as well ill be doing the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off tapering on both ends protocol.. My diet will stay on point and cardio will stay up.. But man this winny is treating me a lot better this time the joint pain has been slim to non and there is absolutely no complaints about that lol.
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I'd go to 60 for a bit shorter time with the var, that's where it started to shine for me last time.

And as for the Clen, man I would run that shit like 5-6 weeks straight through... I honestly believe the receptor downgrade is way over hyped. I run my Clen blasts 4-6 weeks depending on my bodyfat and it works it's magic the whole time as long as my diet and cardio are on point. Just taper up a bit slower so by your 4th or 5th week your peaking at the 160-200mcg's and it'll still be doing its job! The sides will dissipate, but don't fall into the trap of thinking it's stopped working, your body just becomes accustomed to the upregulated metabolism. The fat loss will still be steady and noticeable.
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
I'd go to 60 for a bit shorter time with the var, that's where it started to shine for me last time.

And as for the Clen, man I would run that shit like 5-6 weeks straight through... I honestly believe the receptor downgrade is way over hyped. I run my Clen blasts 4-6 weeks depending on my bodyfat and it works it's magic the whole time as long as my diet and cardio are on point. Just taper up a bit slower so by your 4th or 5th week your peaking at the 160-200mcg's and it'll still be doing its job! The sides will dissipate, but don't fall into the trap of thinking it's stopped working, your body just becomes accustomed to the upregulated metabolism. The fat loss will still be steady and noticeable.
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Also clen will drop thyroid over a period of time, i strongly suggest adding in t3/t4 even if only at a replacement dose.
 
I know I read that before.. I think I'm going to play it safe and just do the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.. I don't know if I want to do t3 I'm not trying to fuck with anymore hormones then I'm already fucking with lol I'm going to run taurine and L-carnitine with it too and when I'm not on that I'm going to be on phenadrine it's these diet pills with caffeine green tea raspberry all that shit.. There actually really good I'm on them right now but I'm not taking 4 a day I only take 1 in the morning before breakfast and while I'm at work I'll take another one some times.. Especially when I'm all lethargic from the Tren... That's the only reason I want to get off the Tren for a little lol the lethargy is killing me and I don't want it to fuck with my job at all.. Need money for some more gear haha.
 
225 morning weight boyyyys... Tapering off to about .5ish pounds a day gain right now. Staying relatively lean. Strength is getting stoooopid!

Had 3 plates on for my underhand barbell rows today was getting 8 clean and my grip was failing before my strength was. Can't wait to do a few deadlifts next week and give flat bench a go tomorrow too!! Haven't done to many heavy compounds since starting the drol but noticing extra reps coming easier and just smashing through workouts like they ain't no thang!

Summer gainin baby!!
 
SwollenMember_18 said:
225 morning weight boyyyys... Tapering off to about .5ish pounds a day gain right now. Staying relatively lean. Strength is getting stoooopid!

Had 3 plates on for my underhand barbell rows today was getting 8 clean and my grip was failing before my strength was. Can't wait to do a few deadlifts next week and give flat bench a go tomorrow too!! Haven't done to many heavy compounds since starting the drol but noticing extra reps coming easier and just smashing through workouts like they ain't no thang!

Summer gainin baby!!
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Haha fuck ya bro get that shit!! I always use wrist straps on exercises like that I get pissed off when my grip fails plus my forearms are already big enough they'd like as big as my biceps lol. Damn I can't wait to start some drol especially with Tren fuck I'll feel like super man haha I want to try some test and Tren suspension too for a pre workout one of these days too.. So far my max bench is 315 I can get it up like 3-4 times.. I want to get up to 405 so maybe that drol will help at least 350 😜 man I hope I stay lean on that shit too if not I'll have to do a few all protein days a week haha. Glad your loving it tho bro stay killing it.. I wanna see some pics too soon I gotta check out those gains 💪🏼
 
Haven't wrote on this thread in a while 😜 lol I'm weighing 220 right now 😁 just took my last Tren ace injection yesterday so I'm only on 300 test and 75-100mg of winny till I run out then back on my trt test which is 200 cyp then I'm adding clen and var then once that's done I'll give my liver a 2-3 week break then back to the blast with a drol kick 😁😁😀😀😀 super excited if you can't tell hoping to break some pr's
 
Man that's an insane amount of orals. Have you ever had bloods check for liver enzymes? You're hitting one right after another and 2-3 weeks is such a small off time. I am not saying don't lol. Just saying be careful.
 
Ayyyy the long lost thread hahaha!

Atta boy, I'm clockin 225ish now. Still another 1.5 weeks of droll to hopefully get another 5 pounds then my goal would be complete for this blast!!! Fuck my diet has been like not even that clean lately either cuz we're moving so lots of eating out and semi clean meals but stayin surprisingly lean... Juuuust the strongest I've ever been in my life right now too, 225 on the bench is literally pebbles now... Repped out 22x clean the other day with no spot hahaha droll powerrrrr
 
Fuck ya I can't wait man.. But no I'm about to get bloods in between the winny and var. I didn't mention I'm taking a few weeks off between the winny and var too I just have to wait a few weeks to a month to get my test levels down to normal then do the var and clen then wait a little then hop on my next blast with the drol.. My liver feels fine tho I take liv52 daily usually twice so 6 tablets total 3 and 3.. So after this winny and test levels drop back to normal I'm getting bloods and will check liver enzymes with everything and if everything is good then I'll hop on that var and clen.. I take my liv52 when I'm off the orals too but I only take 3 in the morning.
 
trt newbie said:
Fuck ya I can't wait man.. But no I'm about to get bloods in between the winny and var. I didn't mention I'm taking a few weeks off between the winny and var too I just have to wait a few weeks to a month to get my test levels down to normal then do the var and clen then wait a little then hop on my next blast with the drol.. My liver feels fine tho I take liv52 daily usually twice so 6 tablets total 3 and 3.. So after this winny and test levels drop back to normal I'm getting bloods and will check liver enzymes with everything and if everything is good then I'll hop on that var and clen.. I take my liv52 when I'm off the orals too but I only take 3 in the morning.
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Yeah that's a good call I should get my bloods done as well, probably a couple weeks after my drol run I'll go get em... Liver definately took a lil but of a toll this year, ran like 3 separate orals, one with each big boast 😜 whoops. And the ol tren~bomb not helping the case either. Still feel good tho, clear piss, huge appetite, no discolour in my skin or eyes... Thank god I don't drink or do drugs no more hahaha I might be a goner
 
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