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Top Chinese General warns U.S. over attack.

GoldenDelicious said:
nitwit? ;)

i dont think there is any doubt that the US would lose a ground war with the chinese. its all well and good to have a large, professional standing army, but as we have seen in the case of iraq, some simple tactics (suicide bombers and roadside bombs) have proven very effective in a conventional war against the vaunted technology of the US.

and after the iraq disaster, i dont know how you can have so much faith in your government, brothabill. for a bunch of supposedly smart guys, they do some really, really dumb things

LOL, Im just generating discussions and putting forth positions. Calling the American people ignorant deserves a smack down. If people want to do that then Im going to lay it down. Just like you are wrong about about losing a ground war with China. You are making the same mistake that countries have made throughout history, thinking in terms of the last wars fought. Thats what the military strategists have already thought of, people that spend their lives, people alot smarter than you have drawn up plans on how to win against china, its all planned out and alot of it is classified but alot of it is also on the internet if you spent the time to read and google like I have. Ive studied these issues for many many years. B/c you fail to be well informed and chooose not to understand this stuff I enjoy tweaking your nose when you attack the US, why do you do that? I think its just fundamentally that you dislike the US, Bush and the American way of life, democracy and free market systems, that is the core statement behind your posts, you despise corporations yet dont understand what efficiency is and why they come into being, its about learning economic theory and business models, you just dont understand the systems, I do. How can you debate someone that makes blanket statements that all corporations are evil? To see complex issues like that in black and white means you lack the ability to understand the good as well as bad and things that can be improved. Its simple, you offer criticism yet offer no solutions to the issues. If you want to put the US down then offer a solution as well. Its easy to be an armchair general or an armchair president and complain incessantly but offering solutions is beyond your intellect, thats why you dont do it.
You cant stop suicide bombers, is that your argument, that we are losing b/c some people decide to kill themselves? We didnt lose the Iraq war, were not going to lose or leave b/c you just cant realistically do that and history will record this as reshaping the middle east and lead to democracy in the region. Thats what a neocon foreign policy is about. But I dont want to go to far with neocon b/c none of you understand the definition of it which Ive explained several times. Neocon does not mean Christian Conservative. Its a move from the intellectual left into having a moral foreign policy such as why we had the Berlin airlift, why the US does things. Its all about knowing your history and terminology my man. I have faith in the US govt. b/c I dont want to live my life as a pessimist. These people, and Ive studied their positions and statements are PHds, experts and all of their opinions and analyses of the situations. I watch and learn from them and I can tell you they are smarter than you or I and are top in their fields of coutries, teaching at universities, working for the govt. being called to talk on political talk shows. I form my opinions based on what the experts discuss, you should try it. I choose to have faith just like you choose not to have faith. I walk around secure and confident and enlightened on the issues while you choose to walk around with a hole in you. You could fill that hole by reading and learning if you wanted to but we you choose to be a pessimist and a cynic. To each their own, Im bored and in the mood to bug you and everyone else that puts down the US, I can be a mirror and reflect that right back on you. Dont hate the mirror, you say it and I reflect it back, not necessarily with my own beliefs or arguments, I can argue all sides to these issues and many times in the last fifteen years b/c Ive studied these issues.
 
we would have the upper hand by far. where are their closest troops, ships, or planes to us right now? Look where ours are to them. Even if they did send a missile to us, we would have them leveled before it hit us

Whiskey
 
There's no doubt that the US would win a war with China. Unlike Iraq we wouldnt be trying to spare civilian lives - our guided missiles would create such havoc and confusion that they wouldnt know what to do.
 
luciasbrown said:
LOL, Im just generating discussions and putting forth positions. Calling the American people ignorant deserves a smack down. If people want to do that then Im going to lay it down. Just like you are wrong about about losing a ground war with China. You are making the same mistake that countries have made throughout history, thinking in terms of the last wars fought. Thats what the military strategists have already thought of, people that spend their lives, people alot smarter than you have drawn up plans on how to win against china, its all planned out and alot of it is classified but alot of it is also on the internet if you spent the time to read and google like I have. Ive studied these issues for many many years. B/c you fail to be well informed and chooose not to understand this stuff I enjoy tweaking your nose when you attack the US, why do you do that? I think its just fundamentally that you dislike the US, Bush and the American way of life, democracy and free market systems, that is the core statement behind your posts, you despise corporations yet dont understand what efficiency is and why they come into being, its about learning economic theory and business models, you just dont understand the systems, I do. How can you debate someone that makes blanket statements that all corporations are evil? To see complex issues like that in black and white means you lack the ability to understand the good as well as bad and things that can be improved. Its simple, you offer criticism yet offer no solutions to the issues. If you want to put the US down then offer a solution as well. Its easy to be an armchair general or an armchair president and complain incessantly but offering solutions is beyond your intellect, thats why you dont do it.
You cant stop suicide bombers, is that your argument, that we are losing b/c some people decide to kill themselves? We didnt lose the Iraq war, were not going to lose or leave b/c you just cant realistically do that and history will record this as reshaping the middle east and lead to democracy in the region. Thats what a neocon foreign policy is about. But I dont want to go to far with neocon b/c none of you understand the definition of it which Ive explained several times. Neocon does not mean Christian Conservative. Its a move from the intellectual left into having a moral foreign policy such as why we had the Berlin airlift, why the US does things. Its all about knowing your history and terminology my man. I have faith in the US govt. b/c I dont want to live my life as a pessimist. These people, and Ive studied their positions and statements are PHds, experts and all of their opinions and analyses of the situations. I watch and learn from them and I can tell you they are smarter than you or I and are top in their fields of coutries, teaching at universities, working for the govt. being called to talk on political talk shows. I form my opinions based on what the experts discuss, you should try it. I choose to have faith just like you choose not to have faith. I walk around secure and confident and enlightened on the issues while you choose to walk around with a hole in you. You could fill that hole by reading and learning if you wanted to but we you choose to be a pessimist and a cynic. To each their own, Im bored and in the mood to bug you and everyone else that puts down the US, I can be a mirror and reflect that right back on you. Dont hate the mirror, you say it and I reflect it back, not necessarily with my own beliefs or arguments, I can argue all sides to these issues and many times in the last fifteen years b/c Ive studied these issues.


as thorough of an owning as i have ever seen...goldenshower never misses a chance to put down the usa...his insults towards Bush are merely thinly veiled insults at the American people. Golden when and if you visit America I guarantee you will eat a large slice of humble pie...
 
eat big said:
I think they could too. Most Americans are ignorant and think we are better at war etc. etc.

We would ruin China in a heartbeat if we wanted to, without mobilizing a single ground division.

That and one other thing are for sure, China wont go quietly, and it would be a very messy war.

I would assume the only way to ensure no American lives are lost are to completely blanket the country with warheads from nearby subs, thereby reducing the amount of time China has to retaliate. A 1 minute warning isnt that beneficial.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
nitwit? ;)

i dont think there is any doubt that the US would lose a ground war with the chinese. its all well and good to have a large, professional standing army, but as we have seen in the case of iraq, some simple tactics (suicide bombers and roadside bombs) have proven very effective in a conventional war against the vaunted technology of the US.

and after the iraq disaster, i dont know how you can have so much faith in your government, brothabill. for a bunch of supposedly smart guys, they do some really, really dumb things

100% wrong. The "simple tactics" have only been proven effective against our PC attitude, not our military.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
nitwit? ;)

i dont think there is any doubt that the US would lose a ground war with the chinese. its all well and good to have a large, professional standing army, but as we have seen in the case of iraq, some simple tactics (suicide bombers and roadside bombs) have proven very effective in a conventional war against the vaunted technology of the US.

and after the iraq disaster, i dont know how you can have so much faith in your government, brothabill. for a bunch of supposedly smart guys, they do some really, really dumb things

It has already been proven, even when caught off guard, elements of one US division, using conventional arms with no technological advantage can hold off an onslaught of 8 divisions of Chinese soldiers backed by artillery. Look it up, or don't you remember we already fought the Communist Chinese. That was over 50 years ago and now, including our massive technological advantage, the Chinese would not stand a chance.

Nuclear weapons. Every single Xia submarine has at least one Los Angeles or Seawolf sub tasked to it. As soon as the Chinese boomer made an attempt to go to launch depth, it would be an expensive sardine can on the ocean floor. The Chinese Ballistic Missile Regiment is weak. China does not even store thier warheads with thier ICBMs, therefore, nearly incapable of a first strike capability. A majority of Chinese warheads are gravity bombs, requiring aircraft. Tell me how many surviving bombers would China get to US territory, or Japan for that matter? Even the Russians could wipe out thier bomber fleet.

The tactics you are describing as effective are only so in an occupation situation, not in a ground war. Those attacks are ineffectual against a mobile army. In an all-out war with China, we would consider it a fight for survival, the PC gloves would come off.

Our military, since WW2, has prepared for ground assault against an army vastly numerically superior to our own. We are pretty good at it. Tactically, we are immensely more mobile, our field commanders have decision capability (where the Chinese do not), and we have a vastly superior technological advantage. I bet a majority or in fact, all, of Chinese military electronic equipment is not shielded. One high-altitude air burst over China and they are fighting in the stone age.
 
75th said:
100% wrong. The "simple tactics" have only been proven effective against our PC attitude, not our military.

I was looking for a way to say that, but you got it right on.
 
First, let me say AGAIN there will never be a war US/China for Taiwan

This being said, if ever there were a war, we may want to consider that Russia could help the Chinese.....
 
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