Tongkat Ali ????

[johnny-longtorso]

I wont go in depth,,,but there is something too this in right blend.

Blends are mostly available for one reason - to get your money and give you less Tongkat Ali. TA works well with 2 "protagonists" - DHEA and ZMA. IMO stick with TA extract powder (I get mine here) and get the other 2 elsewhere - both are cheap. Opinion varies on the most effective "form" of DHEA, so some investigation may be required.

There are other blends that are more aimed at "male health" (libido and/or boners) - so they add things like horny goat weed. Nothing against that (in fact I love HGW) but again, when I pay for TA I want TA, not far cheaper fillers.

Look at the source of the TA you choose. The best comes from Sumatra. Malaysian TA has shown 1) to be less potent and 2) to contain more contaminants like heavy metals so do your homework.

LJ100 does an INCREDIBLE job of marketing and making up science (see the link in my last post). AFAIK LJ100 is strictly of Malaysian origin. While the current product may have changed, at one point in time their product was lab tested and was found to have straight root powder (near worthless at "pill size doses") and NOT an extract..... (again, see the link in my last post) I'm not saying it's not a good product as I've never tried it, but if it were that good they'd not have to utilize the tactics they have to sell it. EVERY retailer that relabels LJ100 (and there are HUNDREDS) uses the same rhetoric to push it - a simple Google will prove that out... I don't wonder if this very thread hasn't already been visited by one of their Internet trolls, certainly this paragraph will draw them out.....

There's no reason to "over science" TA - it works without messing with it. Just know the source and read through the hype.

 

[MADBALL99]

Thanks Johnny, I too got the "paid poster" vibe on the previous page.


How would you describe the effects of TKA ? How do you feel ? Does it help w/ low libido and ED ? Have you had issues w/ this before trying TKA ? What about bloodwork ?

Thankyou for your time.

 

[johnny-longtorso]

How would you describe the effects of TKA ? How do you feel ?

For me I feel like I have more energy and and in general, kinda "testosteroned" up - more aggressive (not always a good thing) and stronger when I lifted (not like massive amounts, I'm still getting back to the gym, but I'm adding weight weekly). I've experienced some bouts of "improved mental focus" - but I'm a computer nerd by trade and "get in the zone" like that on occasion, so I can't really attest to that affect...

Does it help w/ low libido and ED? Have you had issues w/ this before trying TKA?

OK, well, I'm 44, so that needs to be considered. I was not suffering what I considered to be ED or issues with libido - but to be frank my erections were nowhere near what they were like 2 decades ago, and my sex drive was merely average (but I have always been something of a horn-dog - thanks for that gene, pops!)
HOWEVER, while taking Tongkat (I cap my own and estimate I'm doing about a gram a day) and also taking horny goat weed I have experienced:
morning erections
"pee" erections (these too had vanished years ago)
what I would again consider a "raging hard-on"
more intense ejaculation
much more seminal fluid (albeit it's a lot thinner) (I attribute this more to the Horny Goat Weed than the Tongkat)

What about bloodwork ?

I know that someone will prolly jump on me and say get it done regardless, but I can't afford it at the moment. The indicators for me that my test is up are:
bacne (as a test-filled teen my back would always suffer with large comedocytes (painful, pussy blisters) and as an adult that vanished - with TA I get a couple outbreaks here and there, and they decidedly abate when I "cycle off".
My nuts swell - plain and simple. That and they become "low hangers" (really bad because I have a 75# yellow lab that thinks he's a lap dog, and I dinged in the bells at least once a day) I honestly don't know if there's necessarily a correlation between testicle size and test production, but it's what happens to me....

Please, no one ruin this thread with juvenile comments on my frankness....


I've been really interested in herbal test boosters, and I just finished a little experiment on my own. I took the following DAILY for 3 weeks:
2 grams of Tribulus extract standardized to 80% (NutraBio.com)
200mg of coleus forskohlii (Bulk Nutrition - I wanna say 40% extract)
200mg of Testofen (Bulk Nutrition - 50% extract)
400mg of Methoxy Isoflavone (Bulk Nutrition)
...if some of those ingredients sound familiar look no further than the ingredient label of Primordial's "Phyto-Testosterone"

At the end of the cycle I was just starting to see some results - power in the gym (not as "consistent" as with TA) and some minor blemishes.

I was not taking TA during this time.

For me - TA remains "the shit". I have a boatload of Tribulus left so I might try to mega-dose with it, but it's a PITA the cap up (it absorbs moisture easily so by the time I get to the end of closing 50 caps they're a bit sticky) and the stuff tastes like absolute ass.... well, but then so does TA....

I was taking 6 of my "blended trib caps" daily, and when doing TA I only took 2.

One thing about TA, you have to take it in the AM - if you take it at night you WILL be very restless! I experienced none of this with Tribulus.


IMO if you want to jump-start your wedding tackle get TA and an extract of Horny Goat Weed - you'll be ready to pound nails and shooting enough baby-batter to startle the missus.... If you're just looking for test boost stick with TA

Again, I'm not hard selling, just stating what my experience has been. If you look at ALL the data in the few links I've put in posts here you will see that many folks feel the same effects.....

ED can be caused by many things - and if you investigate not too many of them are "physical issues" - in the last year I have really, really gotten my shit together with diet, exercise, and while I'm not there yet but working on it - sleep. Stress is a boner killer for sure, but for me it's also a fact of (my working) life. For lots of guys with ED there's other factors at play...

YMMV
Don

 

[Alfred76]

I think nowadays, one has to be pretty careful when buying tongkat ali
online. I seems there are loads of fakes around, especially fake
1:200. Doing proper plant extract requires a factory setting. It's not
something Ebay traders should do at home.

 

[Alfred76]

I think we all should be careful with supplements from non-established sources. Many are in fact laced with bootleg phosphodiesterase inhibitors. Now, even genuine Viagra can cause permanent blindness from strokes of the optic nerves. With sildenafil analogues, the danger is hundreds of times greater. Fancy names are not worth the risk.

 

[ryanchong]

Tongkat Ali works really well if you take it regularly. It works by blocking the testosterone negative feedback, i.e. maintain regular production.

 

[NevaStop]

Sumatra Pasak Bumi is the best brand, most of the others are fakes. I found the cheapest place to order from is Authentic Tongkat Ali. Buy the 600 mg bottle, you will save money in the long run. TKA is my primo thing whenever I'm coming off cycle, or between cycles.