Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey everyone...Kinda been down ( actually really depressed) about weightlifting lately, mostly because I hate being treated like the small kid whenever Im hanging out with freinds or playing sports and such. I have been doing madcows program and I have gotten some ok gains in the last few months but Im tired of being so freaking small, I wish I could just have another 50 lbs of muscle then I would be happy (for a while anyway). I have been thinking about doing a cycle of roids but I dont really know if this is the way to go or not. I have always gone natural but I dunno... Heres My stats as of now.... Im 19 years old, 148lbs, I bench 175, Ive never maxed on squats or any leg stuff, 14%BF... My legs look like toothpicks. I started bulking for a while (got to 155lbs) but I was mostly packing on fat which is not what I want... I know Im whining alot but If anyone has advice I could really use it. Im at the end of my rope...
To Juice Or Not to Juice....
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How long have you been lifting. Hopefully you are not using the periodized program. Use the novice version. Order www.startingstrength.com. If your lifts are going up (and they should be going up rather quickly) you will be gaining a good amount of muscle if you eat. Just keep at it.
To be point though, you need to get over your complex. Every single person out there has some self conscious issue - those that seem not to, are either better at disguising it or you don't know them well enough yet. This is basically human nature. Trust me, if it wasn't concern about being small it would be something else. It's like a chick buying fake tits, she had this issue she was always worried about, boom one day it's artificially solved - unfortunately the person is still weak at the core. Something else will take it's place or she'll just weird out in other ways and disipate anxienty and energy there, maybe try to develop herself a whole new personality or some such. A strong house can't be build on a shaky foundation.
So anyway - take a deep breath and clear your mind. Shut it off for a moment and tell your babbling insecure mind to fuck off. Experience the world around you by simply preceiving - don't interpret or overlay your typical garbage on it, just be a consciousness in a human body. This is you. You are in charge and your decisions and interactions with the world define you. The body is the temporary vehicle in which you make your journey, it does not define you (you'll likely figure this out on your own with time but why not read the Cliffs Notes). You have maybe at best 60 years left to explore and enjoy. Whether that's in a muscular body or not - both will die and it will feed the worms.
Be very thankful you have a healthy body because it can be taken away from you in an instant. I have some good friends that are dead now, super healthy and athletic - the popular "big guys" that you probably envy. They found out they had an odd disease or some such and guess what - dead a few years later one in his mid 20's and one in his late 20's. Let me tell you, they changed their lives once they knew the clock was ticking. Unfortunately it seems the human condition to avoid thinking about dealth and realizing that there is no time despite the fact that no one has ever avoided it and no one has yet not wished they would have done things differently if they had only known or had a bit more time. Your enjoyment of your time and contribution while here are all that matter - whether you are big or small means nothing. Be thankful you aren't missing an arm or your legs, yet those people too are fullfilled and find meaning.
Point being, be thankful for what you have. Get out of your daily routine and concern and see what wonders and opportunities surround you in this world. There is so much more to life than being big or muscular - as a matter of fact the real pursuit is the enjoyment of lifting as that crap gets old pretty fast. Being popular or excessive worrying about what others think of you is equally wasteful. Start managing your mind and erradicating that petty crap because it's an obstacle and breaks you down. Do things that make you proud of yourself. Enjoy your family. See things and explore. Do not let petty moods overwhelm you - this is real strength and courage - it does not come in a bottle but is built from the ground up. This is the foundation for a strong house and this will serve you infinitely better than the 50lbs of muscle you think would fix everything now.
Anyway, do some reading. A lot of the Eastern lines of thought are more direct in mind management techniques, meditation, yoga or tai chi (moving meditation), Zen, Tibetan Buddhism. I've spent some time reading and studying here, quite worthwhile and it suits me. Obviously there is plenty in common with the Christian faith - there is no opposition in method or in goal just in talk (but people would rather fight wars and talk rather than put forth real effort hence the world we live in). Most important is to clear that crap out and take control. Don't waste one moment and when you catch yourself wasting it, pinch yourself and come back to the present and soak it in by concentrating the mind and shutting off the pointless internal chatter or moods.
Got to finish work and get to sleep. Hopefully there is something in there that catches your attention because the above is a lot more important than anything I can help you with in the gym.
To be point though, you need to get over your complex. Every single person out there has some self conscious issue - those that seem not to, are either better at disguising it or you don't know them well enough yet. This is basically human nature. Trust me, if it wasn't concern about being small it would be something else. It's like a chick buying fake tits, she had this issue she was always worried about, boom one day it's artificially solved - unfortunately the person is still weak at the core. Something else will take it's place or she'll just weird out in other ways and disipate anxienty and energy there, maybe try to develop herself a whole new personality or some such. A strong house can't be build on a shaky foundation.
So anyway - take a deep breath and clear your mind. Shut it off for a moment and tell your babbling insecure mind to fuck off. Experience the world around you by simply preceiving - don't interpret or overlay your typical garbage on it, just be a consciousness in a human body. This is you. You are in charge and your decisions and interactions with the world define you. The body is the temporary vehicle in which you make your journey, it does not define you (you'll likely figure this out on your own with time but why not read the Cliffs Notes). You have maybe at best 60 years left to explore and enjoy. Whether that's in a muscular body or not - both will die and it will feed the worms.
Be very thankful you have a healthy body because it can be taken away from you in an instant. I have some good friends that are dead now, super healthy and athletic - the popular "big guys" that you probably envy. They found out they had an odd disease or some such and guess what - dead a few years later one in his mid 20's and one in his late 20's. Let me tell you, they changed their lives once they knew the clock was ticking. Unfortunately it seems the human condition to avoid thinking about dealth and realizing that there is no time despite the fact that no one has ever avoided it and no one has yet not wished they would have done things differently if they had only known or had a bit more time. Your enjoyment of your time and contribution while here are all that matter - whether you are big or small means nothing. Be thankful you aren't missing an arm or your legs, yet those people too are fullfilled and find meaning.
Point being, be thankful for what you have. Get out of your daily routine and concern and see what wonders and opportunities surround you in this world. There is so much more to life than being big or muscular - as a matter of fact the real pursuit is the enjoyment of lifting as that crap gets old pretty fast. Being popular or excessive worrying about what others think of you is equally wasteful. Start managing your mind and erradicating that petty crap because it's an obstacle and breaks you down. Do things that make you proud of yourself. Enjoy your family. See things and explore. Do not let petty moods overwhelm you - this is real strength and courage - it does not come in a bottle but is built from the ground up. This is the foundation for a strong house and this will serve you infinitely better than the 50lbs of muscle you think would fix everything now.
Anyway, do some reading. A lot of the Eastern lines of thought are more direct in mind management techniques, meditation, yoga or tai chi (moving meditation), Zen, Tibetan Buddhism. I've spent some time reading and studying here, quite worthwhile and it suits me. Obviously there is plenty in common with the Christian faith - there is no opposition in method or in goal just in talk (but people would rather fight wars and talk rather than put forth real effort hence the world we live in). Most important is to clear that crap out and take control. Don't waste one moment and when you catch yourself wasting it, pinch yourself and come back to the present and soak it in by concentrating the mind and shutting off the pointless internal chatter or moods.
Got to finish work and get to sleep. Hopefully there is something in there that catches your attention because the above is a lot more important than anything I can help you with in the gym.
hey cutty this shit take stime just remeber taht shooting AAS will not always give the resukts u think deit is huge, sleep is also i mena i went from 135 to 185 at 23 yrs old and about 6 to 9 % BF, 6' tallbut that took me 3 yrs of nothing but trainign my balls off but remeber this take stime AAS is a small part of the equation, if u wnat it you will get there, how tall are you and what does ur routine look like as well as ur calorie intake and schedule?
Subzeero
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Madcow2 said:
I really really liked what you said. It actually somewhat helped and reinforced, to be honest, what i have been thinking about. It is not actually your goal that you are after but what u become striving for that goal. Strong in the core. Once you have proven yourself you have the flexibility of playing around. Lots and lots of respect bro. thanks.
At your young age there is not much need for steriods since your natural hormones will take you fairly where you want to go if you do it right.
You have to understand that when you are bulking up to put on alot of size, you will put on some fat, do not make the mistake of stopping just because of some fat.
The top level pros drop 25 KG of body weight to compete and when they are off-season they look (with some rare exceptions) like big fat muscular monsters. Most silly people barely put on 10KG of muscle in their entire workout effort!
You are very small in size at the moment so focus on your main priority which is to eat big AND train big. There is no easy way..... even with roids you will not get gains if you do not eat and train big.
Take care of the fundamentals first.
You have to understand that when you are bulking up to put on alot of size, you will put on some fat, do not make the mistake of stopping just because of some fat.
The top level pros drop 25 KG of body weight to compete and when they are off-season they look (with some rare exceptions) like big fat muscular monsters. Most silly people barely put on 10KG of muscle in their entire workout effort!
You are very small in size at the moment so focus on your main priority which is to eat big AND train big. There is no easy way..... even with roids you will not get gains if you do not eat and train big.
Take care of the fundamentals first.
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Ozz2001
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My legs look like toothpicks.
I feel your pain bro! Its hard to be small when your young but it all comes in time! Gear isnt the way to go at your age,its hard mentally i know.But look around there skinny ppl everywere..If you just keep training and trying new things you will find what works for you..But if you got toothpick legs start working them now,do squats and lunges event if you dont use weights..
I have been battleing to get my legs caught with top for years..So work everthing and you will be ahead of the game..I never started gain weight till i was well over 30 and to this day i have to work hard to get my gains and keep them. Point is rome wasnt built in a day bro.If your a hardgainer your going to have to eat eat eat and work your ass off more then the next guy does.Its going to sux your going to want to give up..But if you want it bad enough you will get there.Remember weak mind weak body! This is true i have been there.When your down your not going to gain shit..Pump it in your head your going to make it,your going to get big and when your mind becomes strong so will your body!Have some faith in yourself and buy a shit load of meal replacements take 3 a day and eat everything you can your not going to get fat!!! Good luck and keep your head high! You need any help you just Pm me....
I feel your pain bro! Its hard to be small when your young but it all comes in time! Gear isnt the way to go at your age,its hard mentally i know.But look around there skinny ppl everywere..If you just keep training and trying new things you will find what works for you..But if you got toothpick legs start working them now,do squats and lunges event if you dont use weights..
I have been battleing to get my legs caught with top for years..So work everthing and you will be ahead of the game..I never started gain weight till i was well over 30 and to this day i have to work hard to get my gains and keep them. Point is rome wasnt built in a day bro.If your a hardgainer your going to have to eat eat eat and work your ass off more then the next guy does.Its going to sux your going to want to give up..But if you want it bad enough you will get there.Remember weak mind weak body! This is true i have been there.When your down your not going to gain shit..Pump it in your head your going to make it,your going to get big and when your mind becomes strong so will your body!Have some faith in yourself and buy a shit load of meal replacements take 3 a day and eat everything you can your not going to get fat!!! Good luck and keep your head high! You need any help you just Pm me....
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You're 19. I'm 19 and not even considering it yet. I'm 5'8" at 217. Gained over 30lbs. In the last year due to diet and 5x5. I honestly think diet is about 70% of what has gotten me to where I am. Don't give up. Post up your current diet. You'll need to bulk most likely if you want to make faster gains.
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I'd like to add that it might do you more harm than good to do AS this young. You should have plenty of Testosterone.
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I'd like to add that it might do you more harm than good to do AS this young. You should have plenty of Testosterone.
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