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revexrevex
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habla spanish?
To all you dumb bastards who honestly think sexuality is a choice.
MarthaStewart
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Y_Lifter said:
up until then it was all just ass sex with dudes?
Burning_Inside
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Y_Lifter said:
Are you saying you are bi, but you just chose to like girls?
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HighIntensity
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you don't have to make excuses that your gay.
Tiervexx
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http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97jun/burr2.htm
I know that this is way to long for most of you so I will sum it up:
In 1959, at the University of California at Los Angeles, the neuroendocrinologist Charles Barraclough found that by manipulating the hormones of in rats at a very early age he could make slight changes in how the brain develops. The major change was in the size of a cluster of cells in the brain. This cluster is up to five times larger in male brains than it is in females.
This research interested many other researchers including Simon LeVay (not to be confused with Anton Szandor LaVey who wrote the satanic bible) who decided to expand this research on humans.
LeVay dissected brain tissue obtained from routine autopsies of forty-one people who had died at hospitals in New York and California. There were nineteen homosexual men, all of whom had died of AIDS; sixteen presumed heterosexual men, six of whom had been intravenous drug abusers and had died of AIDS; and six presumed heterosexual women. No brain tissue from lesbians was available.
LeVay found that a peace of the brain called the INAH 3 was only about half as large in the homosexual men as it is in the heterosexual subjects.
Obviously there is A LOT more to it than that. This is just the idiot version.
I know that this is way to long for most of you so I will sum it up:
In 1959, at the University of California at Los Angeles, the neuroendocrinologist Charles Barraclough found that by manipulating the hormones of in rats at a very early age he could make slight changes in how the brain develops. The major change was in the size of a cluster of cells in the brain. This cluster is up to five times larger in male brains than it is in females.
This research interested many other researchers including Simon LeVay (not to be confused with Anton Szandor LaVey who wrote the satanic bible) who decided to expand this research on humans.
LeVay dissected brain tissue obtained from routine autopsies of forty-one people who had died at hospitals in New York and California. There were nineteen homosexual men, all of whom had died of AIDS; sixteen presumed heterosexual men, six of whom had been intravenous drug abusers and had died of AIDS; and six presumed heterosexual women. No brain tissue from lesbians was available.
LeVay found that a peace of the brain called the INAH 3 was only about half as large in the homosexual men as it is in the heterosexual subjects.
Obviously there is A LOT more to it than that. This is just the idiot version.
Burning_Inside
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tiervexx, I know it's not a chpice. I mean there have been gay subjects documented in many difefrent species of animal and insect and whatnot. I'm sure creatures like that didn't have the ability to choose.
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HighIntensity
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Tiervexx said:
Gay means happy in the Dictionary, smile your gay.
Tiervexx
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Another part of the article that I found interesting
"Kinsey and his co-workers for many years attempted to find patients who had been converted from homosexuality to heterosexuality during therapy, and were surprised that they could not find one whose sexual orientation had been changed. When they interviewed persons who claimed they had been homosexuals but were now functioning heterosexually, they found that all these men were simply suppressing homosexual behavior. . . and that they used homosexual fantasies to maintain potency when they attempted intercourse. One man claimed that, although he had once been actively homosexual, he had now "cut out all of that and don't even think of men -- except when I masturbate."
"Kinsey and his co-workers for many years attempted to find patients who had been converted from homosexuality to heterosexuality during therapy, and were surprised that they could not find one whose sexual orientation had been changed. When they interviewed persons who claimed they had been homosexuals but were now functioning heterosexually, they found that all these men were simply suppressing homosexual behavior. . . and that they used homosexual fantasies to maintain potency when they attempted intercourse. One man claimed that, although he had once been actively homosexual, he had now "cut out all of that and don't even think of men -- except when I masturbate."
dude.. curling = tard (when it comes to that shit anyway)
c'mon.. tell me you didn't know that by now..
there are many such tards in the world..
just like there are tards that think that deadlifting is good for you..
one thing though.. if you're going to come out (pardon the pun) and try to make an irrefutable argument to put an issue to rest once and for all.... you're gonna need to use more than one source to strengthen said argument
c'mon.. tell me you didn't know that by now..
there are many such tards in the world..
just like there are tards that think that deadlifting is good for you..
one thing though.. if you're going to come out (pardon the pun) and try to make an irrefutable argument to put an issue to rest once and for all.... you're gonna need to use more than one source to strengthen said argument
the nature boy
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Tiervexx said:
dude, who cares what they think?
Tiervexx
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The Nature Boy said:
I don't care all that much. More than anything I posted that because I though someone else might find it interesting. I am kind of a science buff so I actually read that whole thing.
And part of it is that I am in a hostile mood right now so I wanted to make those people look as dumb as possible.
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gymtime, I don't recall having read that in the Bible. Could you site the book, chapter and verse for us?
FreeballinDC
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The Nature Boy said:
Tier...live life, be happy, ignore (if you can) the stupidity. You are going to run into idiots all your life, no matter where you are, or what the subject is about. Don't get wrapped up in the stupid shit, go out and get laid!!
This message brought to you by the anti-depressant Lexpro by Forest Pharmaceuticals.
Lift Chief
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Tiervexx said:
2 of those 3 are some of the biggest morons on the boards. I wouldn't even sweat it- anyone with an ounce of intelligence understands that it's not a choice.
gymtime
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BodyByFinaplix said:
Leviticus 20, verse 13
" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. "
Leviticus 18, verse 22
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. "
Romans 1, verse 26
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. "
I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!
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HighIntensity
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just fuck girls in the ass, god it's so simple, best of both worlds.
DeepZenPill
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And criminal behavior used to be proven to be a linked to certain head measurements/proportions. We know a little better now in that regard.
If I cared enough, I would dig up a few studies that suggest that homosexuality is a result of different childhood circumstances.
I'll also point out that the human genome project has NOT found a gay gene.
No single study we have proves beyond a doubt whether it is hereditary, environmentally ingrained, or a choice.
What I don't get is why gays must harp on this "It's not a choice" shit. If it was in fact proven to be a choice, would that alter your sexual preference? I doubt it.
I like redheads and girls with callipygous asses. I firmly believe that's my choice because it's what I like most. I don't really think it's hereditary. Just my preference. I don't need any scientific evidence to defend my preference.
If I cared enough, I would dig up a few studies that suggest that homosexuality is a result of different childhood circumstances.
I'll also point out that the human genome project has NOT found a gay gene.
No single study we have proves beyond a doubt whether it is hereditary, environmentally ingrained, or a choice.
What I don't get is why gays must harp on this "It's not a choice" shit. If it was in fact proven to be a choice, would that alter your sexual preference? I doubt it.
I like redheads and girls with callipygous asses. I firmly believe that's my choice because it's what I like most. I don't really think it's hereditary. Just my preference. I don't need any scientific evidence to defend my preference.
Tiervexx
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FreeballinDC said:
Speaking of getting laid my gym locker is right next to a guy that I have had a crush on for a long time! I am actuly in a good mood right now. More than anything I posted this because I thought some people might find it intresting. And even when I am happy I still like to argue from time to time.
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HighIntensity
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Tiervexx said:
stop.
FreeballinDC
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gymtime said:
Thanks curling. Your prayers and donations are gladly accepted.
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revexrevex
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YEA SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SQUAT...... BUT NOT NEAR MY SQUAT RACK PLEASE
FreeballinDC
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gymtime said:
I see Pat Robertson has a temper! The Golden Rule, big boy, the Golden Rule!
FreeballinDC
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gymtime said:
Dude....you called me "curling."
Sorry bud, but anytime somebody drags out that tired ole Bible and starts to thump it against homos, it's time for some good old fashioned hell fire and brimstone....or curling.
Take your pick.
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Come on guys, do you think anyone would actually chose to be persicuted and an outcast with no benefit to be gained by this? I find it difficult to believe that anyone would chose to be gay. It clearly isn't a choice.
Monkey Pox
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What's really funny is when some people get so threatened by the fact that someone is gay whether it's a choice or a major they picked at school. How weak do you have to be to be all scared of some gay guy or a bunch of gay guys or whatever.
That is so freakin' gay of all these insecure losers. Bet they have small dicks too.
That is so freakin' gay of all these insecure losers. Bet they have small dicks too.
The_Eviscerator
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Yeah... I knew I liked Pussy at about 4 years old... sitting in the sandbox with this fine mulatto 3 year old... I knew I wanted to hit it... but I didn't know how to hit it... so I hit her over the head with my Tonka Truck.
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The_Eviscerator said:
Haha, when I was 6, I remember I and a friend of mine from school (a girl) wanted to see the other's "private parts" when she was over playing at my house so we took our cloths off to check it out. Until I read your story I totally forgot about that. Kids do cute stuff like that.
collegiateLifter
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interesting article. However, you've got to always remember a given correlation does NOT in itself ever establish causation.
I honestly think it depends on your meaning of choice. It is certainly not a hey i think ill be gay choice. Similarly, but in a total different way, i dont think people say hey i'm goin to hate life and be depressed as hell. And in most of the cases of depression I do not think it is a 100% chemical thing it is in part a psychological thing that there is some control over.
I currently think that someones genetic makeup + their choices in life + the resulting experiences and their reactions to said things = who they are (and that manifests itself in sexuality, personality, etc, etc.) That being said I dont see sexuality as a conscious direct choice.
BodyByFinaplix said:
I honestly think it depends on your meaning of choice. It is certainly not a hey i think ill be gay choice. Similarly, but in a total different way, i dont think people say hey i'm goin to hate life and be depressed as hell. And in most of the cases of depression I do not think it is a 100% chemical thing it is in part a psychological thing that there is some control over.
I currently think that someones genetic makeup + their choices in life + the resulting experiences and their reactions to said things = who they are (and that manifests itself in sexuality, personality, etc, etc.) That being said I dont see sexuality as a conscious direct choice.
atlantabiolab
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BodyByFinaplix said:
This argument, no matter what it is used for, is not based in reality. If you believe that only genetic defects causes irrational behaviour or behaviour that does not promote the self-good, then how do you account for theft, murder, prostitution, drug use, etc.?
You would have to claim that each of these individuals does not chose to be this way and their actions are therefore out of their control, since it is their genes acting and not them. Thus legal punishments would be irrational for how is a fine or jail sentence going to alter one's genes?
For a non-criminal example, how would you account for kids who shave one side of their head and dye the remaining hair blue, or shave their hair into mohawks and pierce their faces or tatoo their bodies till every square inch is covered? None of these situations promotes normalcy, instead it promotes their idea of individuality, yet ostracizing them from society.
Silent Method
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Originally posted by BodyByFinaplix
gymtime, I don't recall having read that in the Bible. Could you site the book, chapter and verse for us?
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Originally posted by gymtime
Leviticus 20, verse 13
" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. "
Leviticus 18, verse 22
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. "
Romans 1, verse 26
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. "
I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!
Hey gymtime, your comment "I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!" Ummm, yeah, way to hate. I believe that homosexual acts are sinful - BUT, I have yet to meet a human being who is without sin, choosing sin over God over and over again. Jesus died and rose for us, for all of our sins. If you wish to warn people of their sin, fine. But do it with a loving heart - not a hate filled soul.
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Originally posted by BodyByFinaplix
gymtime, I don't recall having read that in the Bible. Could you site the book, chapter and verse for us?
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Originally posted by gymtime
Leviticus 20, verse 13
" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. "
Leviticus 18, verse 22
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. "
Romans 1, verse 26
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. "
I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!
Bingo. The sexual orientation is not a choice (speaking on men, who the hell would CHOOSE another man over a woman?!?!) The sexual behavior is.Tiervexx said:
Hey gymtime, your comment "I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!" Ummm, yeah, way to hate. I believe that homosexual acts are sinful - BUT, I have yet to meet a human being who is without sin, choosing sin over God over and over again. Jesus died and rose for us, for all of our sins. If you wish to warn people of their sin, fine. But do it with a loving heart - not a hate filled soul.
Silent Method
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Thank you, I'm glad you feel that way.The Nature Boy said:
the nature boy
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Silent Method said:
wow. that's refreshing to read. I wish more people were like that. there might be more converts to your religion if people followed your post.
Silent Method
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Not necessarily will we know then. Look at genetically identical twins. They develop different brain physiology based on environmental factor. The answer to the age old "nature vs. nurture" question is simple - both are key to human development.p0ink said:
Lift Chief
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atlantabiolab said:
First of all- theft, murder, prostitution, and drug use all have negative effects in the long term, but at the time it obviously had some benefit for the person OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T DO IT.
Drugs make you feel great when you take them... you could get off on murder or do it out of necessity... etc.
The point here is that these behaviors, while detremental in the long term, have strong short term benefit. Being gay has no strong short term benefit. It doesn't make someone feel good in any way shape or form to come to the realization that they're gay. How do you think it'd make you feel?
In your other example- freaks like you mentioned do not face near the persecution gays do. And again, you seem to assume everyone who does something you would consider bad is hurting themselves. If you'd look at it more objectively you'd realize that again in this case there is short term benefit. They feel as though they're going against society, or whatever.
They've made this choice because they feel there is some benefit. Ask any gay person about how they began to realize they're gay and it's often times a very painful experience... one that can make them miserable or even turn to suicide. There is no benefit here.
Your amatueristic psychoanalysis is off base.
the nature boy
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Silent Method said:
yeah, and I'm an athiest.
It's obviously not a conscious choice, a kid doesn't think to himself "hmmm I'm gonna be gay because it's cool".
But, I very much doubt it'd anything to do with genetics either. In fact I'm almost certain that it's due to phsycological factors and comparible to other mental 'disorders'.
But, I very much doubt it'd anything to do with genetics either. In fact I'm almost certain that it's due to phsycological factors and comparible to other mental 'disorders'.
Silent Method
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You won't be forever.The Nature Boy said:
Robert Jan
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Its so tiring that some people still didn`t get over the bible.
FreeballinDC
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AAP said:
WERD!
powerforward
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"If you wish to warn people of their sin, fine. But do it with a loving heart - not a hate filled soul."- Silent Method
this is how a christian should think, and talk with others. too many people that bash homosexuals under the guise of Christianity aren't true Christians, or else they wouldn't be so quick to to laugh at the thought of people "frying in hell".
sin is sin. all sin seperates us from God. Care for people, all people, regardless of their sin. Jesus does.
sorry to rant, and i know alot of you guys don't believe what I believe, and i'm not trying to push my beliefs on anybody, but just know that not all Christians have hate in their heart. I may not agree with people's lifestyles, but i can still show respect and care for people.
this is how a christian should think, and talk with others. too many people that bash homosexuals under the guise of Christianity aren't true Christians, or else they wouldn't be so quick to to laugh at the thought of people "frying in hell".
sin is sin. all sin seperates us from God. Care for people, all people, regardless of their sin. Jesus does.
sorry to rant, and i know alot of you guys don't believe what I believe, and i'm not trying to push my beliefs on anybody, but just know that not all Christians have hate in their heart. I may not agree with people's lifestyles, but i can still show respect and care for people.
Yes, I banged girls throughout college. At least 2 different ones a week.
However, don't confuse sex with sexuality. An orgasm is an orgasm no matter how you have it.... What it came down to was not who I wanted to fuck, but rather who I wanted to wake up to the next morning.
However, don't confuse sex with sexuality. An orgasm is an orgasm no matter how you have it.... What it came down to was not who I wanted to fuck, but rather who I wanted to wake up to the next morning.
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powerforward said:
Agreed, I do not go to church because most churches I've been too are filled with the "holier than though" types. These people are not true Christians. No true Christian would judge other people's sins and condemn them because of their actions. This is not what Christ taught. He walked among the sinners, sat and ate with them, talked to them. He did not condemn them, nor should we, but rather we should treat them as equals (becuase we too are sinners) and let them know that they can be forgiven, just as we have.
Testosterone boy
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Try SAM-e..............you may feel better.
crew9
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gymtime said:
Leviticus 20, verse 13
" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. "
Leviticus 18, verse 22
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. "
Romans 1, verse 26
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. "
I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!
Quote do you have sex before marriage? Do you get drunk? Do live your life as the bible says to? If you answered no to any of those have fun frying with your "heathens"
gymtime
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I prayed about this yesterday for an hour and 19 minutes.
The following names are going straight to hell wearing party dresses, linen blouses, and sensible pumps of course. And remember, this is straight from the Big Guy's mouth!!
Silent Method
crew9
decem
AAP
Nature Boy - not so much for being gay, but for the athiest thing (sorry bro, tough break)
Bullit
I'll probably get a new list next week.
That is all.
atlantabiolab
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Lift Chief said:
Correct. Man has free-will, but the will is not free to act in any manner that man BELIEVES (take note of 'believe') is "bad". No matter how he acts it is always in the promotion of what he deems "good". Since the "good" has the caveat of "belief" attached to it, this explains why many can act in manners that are obviously not "good".
Wrong. First, many actions are detrimental in the immediate, such as suicide, yet people commit suicide every day. Why? Because they deem suicide as "better" than living. For whatever reason, they believe that death is better than life. Their belief is that death will solve their problems in life. Can any rational person accept this argument? No, but this belief is acted upon daily.
Second, pleading with my emotions by asking "how would I feel" is not objective, since I am not in that situation, where I am unhappy with my sexual situation, thus questioning "what is my role in this world?".
Why don't you ask any of the many homosexual members of this board if they explored homosexuality to solve their uncertainty of sexual preference and possible dissatisfaction of heterosexuality? I assume that people do not act in ways that they believe is going to hurt them, so I must assume that many homosexual individuals contemplated and acted upon their ideas in order to seek out happiness or satisfaction.
I explained this above. I have looked at this objectively, you are looking at this emotionaly.
So you are saying that no person who is gay has received any benefit from his/her decision to act in an exclusively homosexual manner? So, every gay person is hating their lover, hating their life, and wishing for death? So gay people derive no happiness from their sexual and emotional experiences with their partners?
Your argument would claim that inter-racial relationships, in the south, circa 1950s, would not be by choice, for who would ever consciously wish to live under the persecution of said society.
I see. You have reasoned your points so successfully.
What you failed to read into my original post is not that I was arguing against a genetic component of sexuality, but the irrationality of the argument that people never act in manners that cause them hardship.
Tiervexx
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Silent Method said:
Your approach is much more pleasant than many others, but what I want to know is how can you justify calling homosexuality a sin?
I have proved that sexuality is not a choice. So if god made me gay than he decided that I should not even have a chance for heaven. I was damned from birth. How can you possibly say that a just god would do this?
Tiervexx said:
That study that you posted was certaintly not proof, as someone else said, there's also studies (which I'm personally not going to bother looking for) to counter that evidence.
Just because part of the brain was enlarged after death means absolutely nothing. Environmental factors can affect the brain.
As an example, someone who suffers a lot of stress may develop depression causing changes in the whole functioning of the brain to occur. This is obviously a very simple example, but I'm sure you can see my point.
I've answered your exact same question before and this way my reply: -
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Well, the way I see it is that being gay/bi is almost like a 'fetish' towards liking men. In fact I think everyone in the world is/could be bi-sexual, just the vast majority of people dont even think about going there for obvious reasons. (So in one way, it is a choice)
If a guy has a fetish for a woman in knee high boots, a whip...etc do you think that's built into a persons genetics?
Basically I think any form of attraction is all psychological and nothing to do with genetics.
If a person can be hypnotised to find a brush or a chair attractive (like stage hypnotists do) then I see no reason why in theory, a straight person couldn't be hypnotised to be gay or vice versa as long as the subject was willing.
I think we are all inclined to find women attractive for the sake of reproduction. But, homosexual people have had some sort of psychological change/disorder (deviation from the normal) to literally over-power their genetic inclination.
My homosexual friend agrees with me, he thinks the reason he was gay was probably due to the way his mother brought him up. (i.e. an environmental factor that caused some psychological change in him)
Tiervexx
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gainer_uk said:
Don't bash the study until you read the whole thing. Not just my condensed/simplified "idiot version".
It describes how the part of the brain is changed during VERY EARLY child development. This is not something that can happen because of the environment.
The link I posted describes many studies related to sexuality. You will find that there have been no studies that can counter them. If you can than post them and quit making shit up.
Tiervexx
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gainer_uk said:
I will bet you anything that you will be able to find others with similar backgrounds that still ended up strait.
There have been dozens of psychological studies on how someone's background might affect sexuality and it has turned up no conclusive evidence.
Once again the link I posted gives more information on this.
atlantabiolab
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Tiervexx said:
Many people who come to the realization of impending divorce commit suicide or murder their spouse, does this argue a genetic component? They are filled with pain and confusion.
The presence of emotional strife and confusion does not argue for genetics in homosexuality. I am not arguing against genetics, just stating why the above argument is not well founded. All people who act do so to promote what they believe is in their best interest, heterosexuals and homosexuals.
Testosterone boy
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Tiervexx...if ever there was a good time to be gay, this is it. Pay yourself on the back for impecable timing.
Seriously...........I tried to go gay since women are clinically insane. I can not do a man ass, no interest in female ass either. Maybe you are fortunate.
Seriously...........I tried to go gay since women are clinically insane. I can not do a man ass, no interest in female ass either. Maybe you are fortunate.
Tiervexx said:
I'm sure I will be able to. Whats that got to do with anything?
Psychologogical disorders occur for all sorts of reasons, far too complex for us too possibly understand.
Answer this: Why is it that a man might have say a foot fetish? Is it built into his genetics or is it something to do with the way he was brought up?
When you come up with an answer, give me your reasoning and what may have triggered off this fetish.
You also did not adress any of my points about hypnosis which could be called 'proof' that attraction is psychological.
You need to start thinking for yourself from a completely un-biased viewpoint, and not just jump up and down because the latest scientific study suggests you might be correct.
Scientific studies counter each other every day.
Testosterone boy
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STFU.......he was happy for a bit. Why rain on the bros parade?gainer_uk said:
We have ABL and several others to do that.
Testosterone boy said:
Seriously, it seems that a lot of gay people are desperate to make themselevs and others believe that they were 'born that way'. My gay friend is an exception to this, he freely admits that psychological factors were what caused him to turn out the way he is.
I also noticed that the article was written by a gay guy.
Testosterone boy
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So where are you going and what difference does it make?gainer_uk said:
Seriously, it seems that a lot of gay people are desperate to make themselevs and others believe that they were 'born that way'. My gay friend is an exception to this, he freely admits that psychological factors were what caused him to turn out the way he is.
I also noticed that the article was written by a gay guy.
KristopherWalken
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whether youre choosing to like men or choosing to like women, your'e still choosing.
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KristopherWalken said:
The point that alot of people have been trying to make is that it isn't a choice. I'm attracted to certain types of women because I feel an urge that inclines me to be attracted to them, it isn't a choice. Most gay guys I've met claim they were never aroused by looking at a woman, and they find men sexy. They never made a choice, it is just their natural inclination.
Who knows if it is genetic, and determined at conception, or if it is strictly psycological due to environmental factors early in life, however it doesn't appear to be a conscious choice.
Lift Chief
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atlantabiolab said:
Ok it would take me too long to point out all the defunct parts of your post.
To summarize: Human nature is that short term benefit is always given much more weight than long term consequences. I never said people don't act in ways that cause them hardship, of course they do- any moron can see this. The POINT is that the reason they act that way is because they feel there is some SHORT TERM benefit (that is when it is in fact a CHOICE). Could any educated person argue this point?
That is why it is a compelling argument against the fact that homosexuality is a choice. The "choice" to be attracted to men causes absolutely no short term benefit of any kind. Gays realize this will cause them persecution and pain... why would anyone choose this?
How can you not see this... are you truly that caught up in your own convoluted ramblings?
Apparently you think any point not made objectively has no merit... an interesting concept.
It's so simple. Did you choose to be heterosexual or was this the only possible sexual orientation you could have? Did you choose to like women? Were you equally attracted to both sexes and you just chose which one you would involve yourself with?
The answer to all these questions is no.... so how is it logical to assume that it is any different for homosexuals?
Perhaps you have latent homosexual tendencies which make this thought experiment too painful.
Lift Chief
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Circa 1950 interracial relationships would not be a choice exactly because of the reasons you've mentioned.... maybe you do understand after all.
Since when does one choose to whom they fall in love? Love is not generally a choice... thats why even when it caused pain and distress for interracial couples they still stayed together.
But there is still an aspect of choice to even this as there are many people to fall in love with... but obviously these people's feelings were so strong that they felt in essence that they had no choice.
It is possible to fall in love with someone else... but when has a homosexual man fallen in love with a woman? Homosexuality, unlike love (for the most part), stands the test of tiem... further showing that being gay is not a choice. Since when is a choice permanent for the duration of a person's life?
I love completely off-base analogies.
Since when does one choose to whom they fall in love? Love is not generally a choice... thats why even when it caused pain and distress for interracial couples they still stayed together.
But there is still an aspect of choice to even this as there are many people to fall in love with... but obviously these people's feelings were so strong that they felt in essence that they had no choice.
It is possible to fall in love with someone else... but when has a homosexual man fallen in love with a woman? Homosexuality, unlike love (for the most part), stands the test of tiem... further showing that being gay is not a choice. Since when is a choice permanent for the duration of a person's life?
I love completely off-base analogies.
gymtime said:
Nothing? It's in the Bible Missy!!!
and the dragon comes in the niiiiiiiiiight!!!
although it is interesting to me that individuals who use the Bible as the basis of their argument often ignore that the main part of the new testament dealing with homosexual lust also indicts heterosexual lust as being sin also. ignoring that allows to differentiate between the two and therefore show homosexual lust to be more against the Bible than hetero lust out of wedlock
FreakMonster
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LOL, Damn you are one little desperate gay dude to come on here and try to show everyone that you were not born gay. If being gay is so normal than why the fuck are you trying to justify it?
First off,
I don't give a fuck about whether your gay or whether some gay guy posted some study showing changes in brain size at birth.
Second,
The only thing this study shows is how part of the homosexual brain is half as large as the same part in the heterosexual brain thus reaffirming my belief that this behavior is abnormal.
Third,
You will never EVER convince me that this behavior is normal.
You know I can honestly say I respect alot of the gays on this board but you sure have some fucking nerve coming on here calling us dumb bastards because you think your view of homosexuality is the right one. You are what I call a TINK!!!!
First off,
I don't give a fuck about whether your gay or whether some gay guy posted some study showing changes in brain size at birth.
Second,
The only thing this study shows is how part of the homosexual brain is half as large as the same part in the heterosexual brain thus reaffirming my belief that this behavior is abnormal.
Third,
You will never EVER convince me that this behavior is normal.
You know I can honestly say I respect alot of the gays on this board but you sure have some fucking nerve coming on here calling us dumb bastards because you think your view of homosexuality is the right one. You are what I call a TINK!!!!
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Testosterone boy
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Damn FM............this is a chat board. This thread is more relevant than 96% of the absolute crap posted around here.
Save for some TB threads that is.
Save for some TB threads that is.
Silent Method
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I'm not calling being gay sin. I do, however, believe sex acts with a same sex partner is a sin. I believe it negates the intended nature of sexual intimacy (note you must accept God to accept that sexual intimacy has an intended nature).Tiervexx said:
However, I do not expect you to realize this, given your homosexual nature. This is not a slight, nor an insult. I can claim no monopoly on righteousness. Surely I have sinful aspects of my life that I mistakenly accept whole-heartedly as if good. Given MY nature, I am blind to these.
No one of us is free from such sinful nature.
Not at all. Aspects of my very substance of being, just like yours, are sinful in nature. Again, nobody is without sin.Tiervexx said:
I believe your homosexual acts are sin, right? This does NOT mean your sin is somehow worse than my sin.
God is love. Jesus has paid for your sins just as he did mine.
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