I hope this is not hijacking your thread, but you did mention that you will be using HCG (once you get it).
I need some help understanding why this helps on cycle. My understanding from the info on HCG is that is signals the testes to produce testosterone. That is great, but my confusion is that if you are continually injecting exogenous test, then doesn't this offset the benefits of HCG use on cycle. I also understand that HCG is suppressive itself- so wouldn't it render useless at a certain point anyway?
Wouldn't HCG be best used at the end of a cycle to stimulate the testes to produce and keep it there?
I have only done reading and have no real world experience, just trying to learn and understand.
Oh yeah, OSU - Don't your boys have a big game this weekend?
Lets break this down a bit better I usually advise my AAS Brothers to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind seeing a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if you have been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way ,Then you are all set to simply continue it at the end . alsi i see No need of running clomid and nova at the same time.I also reccommend running a serm an entire month after the last shot of AAS .I also Reccommend Tapering the Serm at the last week of the cycle is better than just stopping cold turkey.
Also It is reccommended to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing the body at all and it realizes this!
In fact i also reccommend an ai like Arimidex during the cycle but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great ,this in turn will drive the libido back into the ground and thats the last thing we want to do.
The entire run of this procedure is to get the boys back into recovery as quickly as possible ,the sooner this is done the better chances of solifying those gains!
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