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Time to go get a pro card - LOG

No man I'd say cut the dbol out alltogether and just run test+var the whole time. Problem solved :)

And don't think I have anything against dianabol, clearly not, I just think it ain't worth the sides as test will do the job even better at a reasonable dose. If you're mainly looking for strenght increase you should try test suspension and you will try no other I promise you that. 50mgs shot 3-4 hrs pre-workout. Works like magic. Ofcourse make sure you add some esterified test in there to prevent your T levels from fluctuating too much. I found that 50-100mgs of suspension + 50-100mgs of prop is the killer combo for me, more than that and I get no additional benefits but grossly increased sides. 50 + 50 should be more than enough for you .
 
the small soldier said:
So I'll replace the dbol with the anavar on that same protocol and you think that's a good recipe for some muscle gain/fat loss?
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Well what you must understand is that anavar (at least at reasonable doses) is nowhere near as good a bulker as dianabol is. But it is much safer and can be used for longer periods of time without risk of serious side effects. I have ran it for 20 weeks straight without any issues.

So I would say yeah go with the test + var combo. Testosterone is the ultimate AAS and should be used by any beginner. In fact I always tell all of my clients to start of with test only cycles. IMHO the best way to go for a beginner is to keep doing test only cycles UNTIL they feel they are not progressing with it anymore OR they decide to step on stage. That's when other drugs come in as very useful. But nowadays (this forum is a great example) I see too many newbies without basic knowledge of training and nutrition posting their test/mast/tren cycles and I'm always thinking "what the hell" . Testosterone is what your body produces naturally. If the user knows what he is doing a test cycle can be virtually side-effect free, recovery can be relatively easy and results will be in most cases much better than with a coctail of other exotic drugs (which most users don't know shit about - they just wanna look ripped for the beach and the guy at the gym told them thats what winstrol does - so they go on a 6wk winstrol cycle. Then they come on the forums complaining about libido issues and achy joints. And the worst part of it... Sure they may have looked "ripped" on that beach but they haven't gained any muscle mass in the process but what they did get is some serious shutdown ---> so they end up actually looking much worse after PCT than they did prior to their cycle. This is so wrong my head hurts and this is why steroids are a banned substance
 
Great info in this log man. I am really learning a lot in here. I will definitely head over when you set up your online consultations. I have a few questions for you related to setting up my IF diet the best way for muscle gain without adding the fat since I'm about to start a cycle in a couple weeks. I have been doing IF for a long time, and I know that things have to be changed to tailor to your specific goal at the time when doing it to get the most out of it. With that said, my plan is to do 4 days of weights each week and 3 days of just cardio (I typically keep them on different days and eat for the goal that day). My plan was to go with just a 12 hour fast on weight training days so that I have a meal immediately post workout and cals for the day will be around 20-30% over maintenance. The cardio days will be the typical 16/8 IF setup with BCAAs before and after training and every couple hours before breaking fast. My cals will be around 20% under maintenance with lower carb amounts (probably under 50g) per day. The plan of mine is to add as much muscle as possible with no fat gain. It is going into the nice weather and staying at my current bodyfat (6%) is top priority while adding as much muscle as I can. The cycle will be Test/NPP/Masteron. Would appreciate your thoughts on it if you have the time, but I dont want to hijack your log either...lol
 
RickRock13 said:
Great info in this log man. I am really learning a lot in here. I will definitely head over when you set up your online consultations. I have a few questions for you related to setting up my IF diet the best way for muscle gain without adding the fat since I'm about to start a cycle in a couple weeks. I have been doing IF for a long time, and I know that things have to be changed to tailor to your specific goal at the time when doing it to get the most out of it. With that said, my plan is to do 4 days of weights each week and 3 days of just cardio (I typically keep them on different days and eat for the goal that day). My plan was to go with just a 12 hour fast on weight training days so that I have a meal immediately post workout and cals for the day will be around 20-30% over maintenance. The cardio days will be the typical 16/8 IF setup with BCAAs before and after training and every couple hours before breaking fast. My cals will be around 20% under maintenance with lower carb amounts (probably under 50g) per day. The plan of mine is to add as much muscle as possible with no fat gain. It is going into the nice weather and staying at my current bodyfat (6%) is top priority while adding as much muscle as I can. The cycle will be Test/NPP/Masteron. Would appreciate your thoughts on it if you have the time, but I dont want to hijack your log either...lol
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Sounds to me like an awesome plan. How much cardio you planning to do on those 3 days? If money isn't an issue I'd throw in some albuterol in there. Works like magic for me. Take it on your cardio days only which will also almost completely prevent receptor downregulation. And personally I'd dump the NPP and up the test dose. From my experience you'll get same or even better results with much easier recovery and less sides. What doses were you planning to run those at anyway?
 
The only reason I'm even using anavar or Dbol is because all my test is E and I like a little jump start. I don't plan on running the anavar or Dbol the whole time. My concern is recovery. I'd be blasting and cruisng (modestly) for nearly a year before coming off. Should I run Hcg or anything to keep nuts going during the year, or just let them shrivel and hit hcg hard when its time to come off?
 
Keep the HCG for PCT. And keep your dosages controlled. Do not run it for more than 2-3 weeks. It can do more harm than good. So you don't have to hit it "hard" as this can further suppress your gonadotrophin release.

Funny thing is I've been blasting and cruising for several years and never used any HCG and my average testicular volume when crusing is around 15cc, which is not far from normal (avg for adults is 18-20). Don't really know how this is possible but hey I won't complain :)
 
insanityapproved said:
Sounds to me like an awesome plan. How much cardio you planning to do on those 3 days? If money isn't an issue I'd throw in some albuterol in there. Works like magic for me. Take it on your cardio days only which will also almost completely prevent receptor downregulation. And personally I'd dump the NPP and up the test dose. From my experience you'll get same or even better results with much easier recovery and less sides. What doses were you planning to run those at anyway?
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Thanks for the reply. I generally do 60-75 minutes of cardio in the AM in the fasted state (BCAA before and after)

I will take your recommendations seriously, specifically adding in the albuterol, and I may drop the NPP too. I have plenty of test if I want to up the dosage if I choose to go that route.

Dosages I had planned were..

Test E 500mg/wk 1-12 (250mg 2x)
Masteron E 500mg/wk 1-12 (250mg 2x)
NPP 200mg/wk 1-10 (100mg 2x)

I might also add I considered adding Var in, but I have a lot of other orals on hand that I wanted to use, so I'm using EPI as a kickstart for the first 6 weeks. I respond very well to it. I can still get Var if I want but this is what i had planned
 
That is going to be one helluva great cycle bro. The choice about the nandrolone is yours ofcourse. That was just my opinion. I never use any nandrolones and neither do any of my clients. For the obvious reasons.

Here's what I would do:

Test E 500mg 1-12
Mast E 500mg 1-12
Anavar 80mg 1-4
Anavar 40mg 4-12 OR Primobolan depot 500mg 1-12
 
insanityapproved said:
That is going to be one helluva great cycle bro. The choice about the nandrolone is yours ofcourse. That was just my opinion. I never use any nandrolones and neither do any of my clients. For the obvious reasons.

Here's what I would do:

Test E 500mg 1-12
Mast E 500mg 1-12
Anavar 80mg 1-4
Anavar 40mg 4-12 OR Primobolan depot 500mg 1-12
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Awesome. You have me thinking I might order some Var this weekend ;)
 
you mentioned you dont use any nandrolones. You dont use tren???

I can see deca. That stuff is just crap. With the exception of those very very few people who get huge and stay really lean and dont bloat on it.
Even at 125mg wk I can feel the positive joint effects of deca 3 days after my first pin. But even at .5ml a week i can see additional water. My dick still works but sensitivity is gone.
I have washed my hands of it forever.
 
nandrolone and trenbolone and two differnent compounds. The differnt froms of nandrolone come from the esters and their half life, but nandrolone decanoate is just the generic of deca durabolin.
 
the small soldier said:
nandrolone and trenbolone and two differnent compounds. The differnt froms of nandrolone come from the esters and their half life, but nandrolone decanoate is just the generic of deca durabolin.
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Deca durabolin is a registered name by a pharmaceutical company for the medication containing nandrolone decanoate .. That's where "deca" comes from, and that's why I don't really like using those names.
 
insanityapproved said:
Deca durabolin is a registered name by a pharmaceutical company for the medication containing nandrolone decanoate .. That's where "deca" comes from, and that's why I don't really like using those names.
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agreed. it's confusing. Some people actually think Sustanon is a differnt compound than test for same the reason.
 
What u think insanity?
Age 25
Height 6'
Weight 234
Bf:13-15%

Past cycles
1) test c 500 a week
2) dbol 40mg. Test E 500mg
3) test & deca

I started when I was 21, so back then all there were was nolva& clomid for pct. :(

Lets get to it
Diet about 3200k tapering down per week
Starting May 14th
Sustanon 250. 0.75cc m/w/f. = 562.5mg. Weeks 1-12
Winstrol 9-12 50 mg
aromasin 12.5 mg e3d starting week 3-12
N2guard. 7 caps 9-12
*i might run winny 1-4 to jump start cycle or something else. What u guys think?

Hcgenerate weeks 7-9 4 caps per day
Weeks 10-12 2 caps per day
PCT
Forma. 13-18 5 pumps am/ 5 pumps pm
Unleashed 15-18
Post cycle15-18
Erase 15-18

My goal is to do acut due to my calorie deficit diet, I want to get down to about 220 10%bf
Cardio 4x a week
Workout 5x a week. Bodybuilding split

What you guys think after about 2 years from gear?
 
Lol bro you should make a thread that says "ask me questions here* so you don't clutter up your log here, or "any questions send me a PM" haha it really good to have someone like you on this board who takes the time to answer someone's questions, and the experience shows in your figure.
 
I've been reading this thread from day one and just wanted to say thanks insanityapproved for taking the time out of your schedule to give very great insight into the bodybuilding world. I've learned a lot so far and your doing an awesome job. You definitely have inspired me to keep going.
 
Gymhero24 said:
What u think insanity?
Age 25
Height 6'
Weight 234
Bf:13-15%

Past cycles
1) test c 500 a week
2) dbol 40mg. Test E 500mg
3) test & deca

I started when I was 21, so back then all there were was nolva& clomid for pct. :(

Lets get to it
Diet about 3200k tapering down per week
Starting May 14th
Sustanon 250. 0.75cc m/w/f. = 562.5mg. Weeks 1-12
Winstrol 9-12 50 mg
aromasin 12.5 mg e3d starting week 3-12
N2guard. 7 caps 9-12
*i might run winny 1-4 to jump start cycle or something else. What u guys think?

Hcgenerate weeks 7-9 4 caps per day
Weeks 10-12 2 caps per day
PCT
Forma. 13-18 5 pumps am/ 5 pumps pm
Unleashed 15-18
Post cycle15-18
Erase 15-18

My goal is to do acut due to my calorie deficit diet, I want to get down to about 220 10%bf
Cardio 4x a week
Workout 5x a week. Bodybuilding split

What you guys think after about 2 years from gear?
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Leave the winny bro.

1-4 and 9-12 should be test prop 50mg ED :)
Other than that it seems quite OK but you didn't give enough details for me to be able to tell you more
 
sterolizer said:
Lol bro you should make a thread that says "ask me questions here* so you don't clutter up your log here, or "any questions send me a PM" haha it really good to have someone like you on this board who takes the time to answer someone's questions, and the experience shows in your figure.
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To be honest with you this was what I was planning this thread to be anyway :)

And yeah I def. didn't expect such a quick response from anyone... Anytime I log onto the forums I have like 15 PM's waiting lol.
 
insanityapproved said:
Leave the winny bro.

1-4 and 9-12 should be test prop 50mg ED :)
Other than that it seems quite OK but you didn't give enough details for me to be able to tell you more
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What else would u like to know?
I will go with test prop and drop the winny
I have sustanon already on hand but everything else can be subject to change
 
insanityapproved said:
- macros for your diet
- supplementation
- some pics
- cardio and weights workout intensity, duration
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I will post pics on Sunday

Macros
Workout days
3700cal, 335p/340c/110f

Non workout days
3100cal.265p/260c/110fats

Supplements
Mp combat powder
Fish oil
Taurine
Hawthorne berry
Xtend
Cytosport on workout days

-am fasting cardio 40 mins 65% heart rate. I will do this 4x a week depending on my days off, usually depends on what day
Split
Chest
Legs & abs
Shoulders & calves
Off
Back & abs
Arms & forearms
I workout 5 days a week but the days i workout or what I workout all depends on how I work.

Hope this helps
 
did some "real" weights after a long time today :) Me and my good friend played this game we haven't done in a few years now lol so funny because I remember how we were doing it in college years all the time :D

If I would translate it into english it would be called something like "sissy pays dinner" lmao. So the one who gives up first at workout or the one who lifts less at most lifts pays dinner at the restaurant for both :D

I won again ofcourse :D We did squats and DL's. Topped squat @ 1x625 and deadlift @ 1x680.

But TBH I'm glad it's over .. If I did this more often my joints would be destroyed by now. But hey I did get a free 3lb steak :)
 
Tired of that eat every 3 hour crap and its nice to see other people following other meal plans. I've yet to dive into IF myself but after doing a little reading I noticed that a very high protein intake is recommended. This is another thing I'm quite over atm and I feel it simply is not needed especially when running a very high amount of AAS.

Do you really feel its necessary for this specific diet plan insanity?

And do you count incomplete proteins from grains and such?
 
Wrong buddy. High protein intake is even much more important when running AAS. It should be MUCH higher than when not running them.

I do count protein from all sources. It might be low in some aminos but it's still protein and has the same caloric value.
 
insanityapproved said:
Wrong buddy. High protein intake is even much more important when running AAS. It should be MUCH higher than when not running them.

I do count protein from all sources. It might be low in some aminos but it's still protein and has the same caloric value.
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Protein synthesis does increase with ped's but I would think that means the body actually utilises every bit you consume more efficiently.

Have you tried eating a lower amount of protein (1g/lb) and noticed a difference by consuming double?
 
insanityapproved said:
I'll be attending the Arnold Classic Europe which will be held in Madrid on Oct. 12-14th :)

Too bad I don't live in the US, would love to tho ... A friend of mine who is often there tells me about all those crazy gyms you have there .. Well not that that's the most important thing, as I always say: you don't need fancy equipment to bust your ass . All I have available in my gym is about 8 useful machines, a squat rack, a bench and a bunch of dumbells. And that's all you need to train, no matter what your goals and at what level you are. :)

I base my workouts on compound movements and let the girls who are trying to "tone up" sit on those machines, texting someone on their cell phones while trying to exercise :D
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Im actually considering to go over there and watch u compete.
 
I would NEVER claim something without trying it on myself first.

I've tried different protein intakes and I notice a tremendous difference in ability to gain and retain muscle, stamina and energy levels and fullness when taking upping my intake. Preferably over 2g per lbs of weight.
 
insanityapproved said:
I would NEVER claim something without trying it on myself first.

I've tried different protein intakes and I notice a tremendous difference in ability to gain and retain muscle, stamina and energy levels and fullness when taking upping my intake. Preferably over 2g per lbs of weight.
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Fair enough.

Will be keeping tabs on this thread...all the best!
 
Got a bunch of people PM-ing me asking me about how come I don't use HGH.

Here's a good read for anyone on that particular subject:

Growth hormone and the heart. [Endocr Rev. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/koert/anabolic-steroids-gh-and-the-heart.htm

Since I have been diagnosed with pretty severe left ventricular hypertrophy several years ago, I do not wish to take this risk any further. Getting into the hall of fame by 50 is not exactly what I'm planning with my life
 
Where in europe are you from?
What do you think about light weights (higher rep range)to get the proper contact with muscles u struggle to reach?
 
underattack said:
Where in europe are you from?
What do you think about light weights (higher rep range)to get the proper contact with muscles u struggle to reach?
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That's what I always do. It's not the weight that matters most but the way you're able to hit the muscle. Proper contact along with good brain-muscle connection is crucial to properly stimulate that muscle to grow.

I used to be the "just lift heavy" dude in my early years of training. I would put on as much weight as I could lift and just PUUUUSH !!! :D --> Progress was shitty, all I got from it were continous injuries.
 
insanityapproved said:
That's what I always do. It's not the weight that matters most but the way you're able to hit the muscle. Proper contact along with good brain-muscle connection is crucial to properly stimulate that muscle to grow.

I used to be the "just lift heavy" dude in my early years of training. I would put on as much weight as I could lift and just PUUUUSH !!! :D --> Progress was shitty, all I got from it were continous injuries.
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Hehe i learned the same last year. So finaly my training is giving better results.

But im gonna follow up with one more q. What do you think about time under tention?
 
underattack said:
Hehe i learned the same last year. So finaly my training is giving better results.

But im gonna follow up with one more q. What do you think about time under tention?
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I do mixed workouts. The point is to never allow your body to adapt to a specific lifting routine / technique. So sometimes I will use slower movements and sometimes faster. But in general, I start my workout with 2-3 exercises at which I do higher TUT (ie slow movements - say 1-2s up and 3-4s down) and the remaining of my workout I do a few exercises with faster movements and more reps. ("pump sets")
 
insanityapproved said:
I do mixed workouts. The point is to never allow your body to adapt to a specific lifting routine / technique. So sometimes I will use slower movements and sometimes faster. But in general, I start my workout with 2-3 exercises at which I do higher TUT (ie slow movements - say 1-2s up and 3-4s down) and the remaining of my workout I do a few exercises with faster movements and more reps. ("pump sets")
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Thx bro
 
insanityapproved said:
That's what I always do. It's not the weight that matters most but the way you're able to hit the muscle. Proper contact along with good brain-muscle connection is crucial to properly stimulate that muscle to grow.

I used to be the "just lift heavy" dude in my early years of training. I would put on as much weight as I could lift and just PUUUUSH !!! :D --> Progress was shitty, all I got from it were continous injuries.
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Even as a powerlifter we don't push Heavy weight week after week. Even though though I do max weights once a week It's only for 3-5 sets of 1-3 reps and the other workouts are about 50-60% of 1RM for9-12 sets of 2-3 reps for speed. The rest of my lifts are accesory lifts and are done in a 5-20 rep range for 2-5 sets. So the "lift heavy all the time" mentality doesn't even apply to powerlifters. Most bodybuilders than I know perform what I would consider "moderate weight" and just to a high volume and most of them are VERY large guys.
 
Gymhero24 said:
I will post pics on Sunday

Macros
Workout days
3700cal, 335p/340c/110f

Non workout days
3100cal.265p/260c/110fats

Supplements
Mp combat powder
Fish oil
Taurine
Hawthorne berry
Xtend
Cytosport on workout days

-am fasting cardio 40 mins 65% heart rate. I will do this 4x a week depending on my days off, usually depends on what day
Split
Chest
Legs & abs
Shoulders & calves
Off
Back & abs
Arms & forearms
I workout 5 days a week but the days i workout or what I workout all depends on how I work.

Hope this helps
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Here's what I would change:

- keep your protein at 2g/lb of BW on all days, no matter if you workout or not
- you aren't supplementing with any vits/mins? throw in a strong multi

I think your macro split is not OK. If I did that I know i'd feel like crap.
You should either increase prot and carbs and decrease fats, or cut out the carbs and increase both fats and protein. Depends on what makes you feel better. I've tried both ways and find the results to be pretty much the same, but the low-carb, higher fat option kills my appetite completely and therefore IMO it is a bit more useful when trying to get to really low BF levels when hunger can become a real issue.
 
insanityapproved said:
I do mixed workouts. The point is to never allow your body to adapt to a specific lifting routine / technique. So sometimes I will use slower movements and sometimes faster. But in general, I start my workout with 2-3 exercises at which I do higher TUT (ie slow movements - say 1-2s up and 3-4s down) and the remaining of my workout I do a few exercises with faster movements and more reps. ("pump sets")
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I like to always mix up my workouts too. That certainly seems to be the most efficient and effective way of making progress and stimulating growth. I also seem to get the most growth at a higher rep range of 12-15 vs 9-11 reps, but I will do the lower rep ranges when trying to concentrate more on strength gains

Great info here man. Certainly appreciate all your contributions so far
 
insanityapproved said:
That's what I always do. It's not the weight that matters most but the way you're able to hit the muscle. Proper contact along with good brain-muscle connection is crucial to properly stimulate that muscle to grow.

I used to be the "just lift heavy" dude in my early years of training. I would put on as much weight as I could lift and just PUUUUSH !!! :D --> Progress was shitty, all I got from it were continous injuries.
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Bro this so true! My trainer has his pro card and when i first started with him i thought he was crazy. He said that all these people trying to go as heavy as possible were the ones who's physique never changes much. He said us pro's dont train like that. I thought really he was insane. He said exactly what insanity said and that pros work out for maximum intensity and maximum mind muscle concentration. Since i have adapted that training method i am actually seeing alot better results. All that to say that insanity has his shit together. Great thread bro and thank you.

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WOW!
I just finished with all 15 pages of this thread. My hat off to insanity and to all you other posters as well. This is one of the very best threads that I have ever read on here.
I def will keep up with this one.
Thanks insanity for your time and effort in here.
Regards bro.
 
DAYM bro!
You should put up a pic of your wheels man.
 
insanityapproved said:
Got a bunch of people PM-ing me asking me about how come I don't use HGH.

Here's a good read for anyone on that particular subject:

Growth hormone and the heart. [Endocr Rev. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

Anabolic Steroids, Growth Hormone, and Hypertrophy of the Heart by Willem Koert

Since I have been diagnosed with pretty severe left ventricular hypertrophy several years ago, I do not wish to take this risk any further. Getting into the hall of fame by 50 is not exactly what I'm planning with my life
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This is usually 100% reversible with lots of cardio etc. You're carrying too much weight/mass for your size is whats causing it. You remember what the measurement was for the wall thickness? I think I recall <12mm being in the normal range
 
Yes but that year when I was experimenting with HGH it progressed much quicker than before. Mine is well over 12mm, closer to 13.

Now I am no doctor but my cardiologist told me this is a pretty much irreversable thing. So now I just do regular check ups to ensure it's not progressing, keep my BP in check and take a low dose aspirin every day ...
 
insanityapproved said:
That's what I always do. It's not the weight that matters most but the way you're able to hit the muscle. Proper contact along with good brain-muscle connection is crucial to properly stimulate that muscle to grow.

I used to be the "just lift heavy" dude in my early years of training. I would put on as much weight as I could lift and just PUUUUSH !!! :D --> Progress was shitty, all I got from it were continous injuries.
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Exactally! I made a post about this a few months back.

Everything you have posted have been along the lines about what i've been saying.

Great Thread.
 
zedhed said:
WOW!
I just finished with all 15 pages of this thread. My hat off to insanity and to all you other posters as well. This is one of the very best threads that I have ever read on here.
I def will keep up with this one.
Thanks insanity for your time and effort in here.
Regards bro.
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No doubt one of the best posts in years here.


@ Insanity....The 2 links to HGH and heart health you posted were very interesting. i was planning a year of 4 iu 5 on 2 off. But now im thinking more of just a HRT dose of 2 iu instead. Basically for me just for recovery and soft tissue/tendon/joint HRT especially. I cant see a normal "replacement" dose like 2iu doing any damage no?
 
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insanityapproved said:
Yes but that year when I was experimenting with HGH it progressed much quicker than before. Mine is well over 12mm, closer to 13.

Now I am no doctor but my cardiologist told me this is a pretty much irreversable thing. So now I just do regular check ups to ensure it's not progressing, keep my BP in check and take a low dose aspirin every day ...
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Mine is also in the 12-13mm range. 13mm for a measurement is not *that* bad - it's not a sole indicator of heart function. It really means that its probably working too hard.

There's two camps of thoughts on the issue, obese people who completely turn their lifestyle around will see the LV atrophy. While some others say it is irreversible.

My cardiologist is a research doc at a major medical university, he told me it could be reversed with lifestyle changes.

Gotta love doctors, always telling you conflicting stories.
 
Hi Bro :).
Im new on the board and I'll enjoy to read your blog (Thums up).
I'll beginning on my diet in June for the National Championship (DM), that my second competition. I started to planning my meal plan with supplement and that stuff.
Maybe you could show us how your meal plan looks like? Then I could compare it with my own.. I would really like to get my one revised :-)
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
No doubt one of the best posts in years here.


@ Insanity....The 2 links to HGH and heart health you posted were very interesting. i was planning a year of 4 iu 5 on 2 off. But now im thinking more of just a HRT dose of 2 iu instead. Basically for me just for recovery and soft tissue/tendon/joint HRT especially. I cant see a normal "replacement" dose like 2iu doing any damage no?
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one thing people don't realize is like peptides and hgh , if you have a high risk of cancer in your family ,you may want to take into consideration that this will activate any dormant pre cancerous cells in your body,lower dosagess you should be fine.

too much peptides and hgh to me is a no no.
For the record I became diabetic messing with peptides, so take that also into consideration.
 
so if you fast 16 hours, that means you eat between what times and how many meals
 
RADAR said:
one thing people don't realize is like peptides and hgh , if you have a high risk of cancer in your family ,you may want to take into consideration that this will activate any dormant pre cancerous cells in your body,lower dosagess you should be fine.

too much peptides and hgh to me is a no no.
For the record I became diabetic messing with peptides, so take that also into consideration.
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Yes, I didnt like the way peptides played with my blood sugar. I'm hoping HGH wont do the same thing. Definatley going to stick with 2iu when I give it a go. Mainly interested in tissue healing/recovery ect...
 
RADAR said:
one thing people don't realize is like peptides and hgh , if you have a high risk of cancer in your family ,you may want to take into consideration that this will activate any dormant pre cancerous cells in your body,lower dosagess you should be fine.

too much peptides and hgh to me is a no no.
For the record I became diabetic messing with peptides, so take that also into consideration.
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Good info RADAR. These are things that people should be aware of before jumping in
 
I really can't understand some people.

I've been getting tons of PM's with different questions in the past days and normally I always answer and try to help everyone .. But some guys really go over with it. I try to help and give them a long, detailed description and that turns into an endless questioning, several PM's in a row every day, if I don't instantly reply I get another PM saying, "hey bro didn't you get my last PM?" - stupid shit like some guy wanting to take HGH but can't divide 2cc with 10 and wanting me to tell him how much he has to take and such lol. I always answer every question as detailed as possible but to be perfectly honest it seems like some guys don't even have the IQ of a sheep and have a hard time understanding anything. I may be living in what you call the "3rd world" but TBH over here I have never experienced such stupidity as I often do with guys from the US

sorry for the rant but this time it really pissed me off
 
insanityapproved said:
I really can't understand some people.

I've been getting tons of PM's with different questions in the past days and normally I always answer and try to help everyone .. But some guys really go over with it. I try to help and give them a long, detailed description and that turns into an endless questioning, several PM's in a row every day, if I don't instantly reply I get another PM saying, "hey bro didn't you get my last PM?" - stupid shit like some guy wanting to take HGH but can't divide 2cc with 10 and wanting me to tell him how much he has to take and such lol. I always answer every question as detailed as possible but to be perfectly honest it seems like some guys don't even have the IQ of a sheep and have a hard time understanding anything. I may be living in what you call the "3rd world" but TBH over here I have never experienced such stupidity as I often do with guys from the US

sorry for the rant but this time it really pissed me off
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I hear you , I get the same thing, actually i'm surprised how i have made it all these years modding this site!
 
Something I felt like I needed to post.

Here's a pic of me 1 week out of my first real show. At that time I was all natural, didn't use any kind of drugs in the process of dieting. This was after 5-6 years of consistent hard work and strict, clean bulking diet. (and the process of pre-contest dieting ofcourse). All I did was occasional ECA ... And too much cigarettes :D Glad I kicked that habit tho

Sadly many guys don't get to that level even after several strong cycles. Now I won't tell anyone what to do but fact is that those are the guys who will never ever get to the top level, no matter how much they increase their dosages
 
insanityapproved said:
I really can't understand some people.

I've been getting tons of PM's with different questions in the past days and normally I always answer and try to help everyone .. But some guys really go over with it. I try to help and give them a long, detailed description and that turns into an endless questioning, several PM's in a row every day, if I don't instantly reply I get another PM saying, "hey bro didn't you get my last PM?" - stupid shit like some guy wanting to take HGH but can't divide 2cc with 10 and wanting me to tell him how much he has to take and such lol. I always answer every question as detailed as possible but to be perfectly honest it seems like some guys don't even have the IQ of a sheep and have a hard time understanding anything. I may be living in what you call the "3rd world" but TBH over here I have never experienced such stupidity as I often do with guys from the US

sorry for the rant but this time it really pissed me off
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there are a lot of dumb fucks living in the US trust me.. i deal with them all the time. but we also have the smartest in the world.. its just in the AAS world you are dealing with people too lazy to do their own research and figure out simple shit out, so they want others to do it for them. its the under 25 crowd who want to turn pro's without knowing the difference between a 25gauge needle and a 25gauge shotgun.
 
insanityapproved said:
Something I felt like I needed to post.

Here's a pic of me 1 week out of my first real show. At that time I was all natural, didn't use any kind of drugs in the process of dieting. This was after 5-6 years of consistent hard work and strict, clean bulking diet. (and the process of pre-contest dieting ofcourse). All I did was occasional ECA ... And too much cigarettes :D Glad I kicked that habit tho

Sadly many guys don't get to that level even after several strong cycles. Now I won't tell anyone what to do but fact is that those are the guys who will never ever get to the top level, no matter how much they increase their dosages
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Nice man. U are lookin fuckin HARD in that pic man. Au natural? nice man my hat is off to you.

Mind if I ask how long after this pic did you take your AVI pic?
 
lol, i hope this doesn't piss you off. but can you tell me when you eat your meals during IF. like if your feeding time is between 12 pm and 8 pm, how many meals would you fit in there?

So I want to eat 2600 cals a day to lose weight and keep muscle. i'd like to do the IF and have been doing it.
 
EarthRider said:
lol, i hope this doesn't piss you off. but can you tell me when you eat your meals during IF. like if your feeding time is between 12 pm and 8 pm, how many meals would you fit in there?

So I want to eat 2600 cals a day to lose weight and keep muscle. i'd like to do the IF and have been doing it.
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I don't have a specific meal plan, I just make sure I get in my planned macros.

Here's an example of what I had yesterday:

1. pre+intra workout (make sure you space that throughout your workout - slamming 20g of free aminos will not give you any benefit. Those are digested super quickly and you will want a continous intake of tiny quantities. This can aid in sparing muscle mass when you train fasted. It's all about finding just the right amount - enough for your body to spare it's own aminos but not enough for them to elevate insulin significantly as they are very glucogenic)
- 10g BCAA
- 10g leucine

2. post workout
- 2 lbs grilled chicken breast
- 6oz white rice
- lots of veggies

in the PWO you will want to avoid fatty stuff as this will slow down digestion and you will not get the 100% anabolic benefit of the protein and carbs. Keep it high in carbs and protein, you will need lots of both no matter what your goal. The carbs serve as your "slin shot" to shuttle that protein into your muscles. Remember that insulin is the single most anabolic hormone in the body and the only way to elevate it significantly is by eating lots of carbohydrates. Also you will want to avoid fructose in that meal, so keep your fruit for later. If you're having a hard time getting enough "solid" protein down (I often do) you can have a whey protein shake with that meal

3. Second meal
- 2lbs nonfat curd cheese
- 3lbs lowfat plain yogurt
- 50g whey protein
- 6oz rolled oats
- 1tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil

4. Pre-bed meal
- 80g casein protein
- 2 bananas
- 2tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil
 
insanityapproved said:
I don't have a specific meal plan, I just make sure I get in my planned macros.

Here's an example of what I had yesterday:

1. pre+intra workout (make sure you space that throughout your workout - slamming 20g of free aminos will not give you any benefit. Those are digested super quickly and you will want a continous intake of tiny quantities. This can aid in sparing muscle mass when you train fasted. It's all about finding just the right amount - enough for your body to spare it's own aminos but not enough for them to elevate insulin significantly as they are very glucogenic)
- 10g BCAA
- 10g leucine

2. post workout
- 2 lbs grilled chicken breast
- 6oz white rice
- lots of veggies

in the PWO you will want to avoid fatty stuff as this will slow down digestion and you will not get the 100% anabolic benefit of the protein and carbs. Keep it high in carbs and protein, you will need lots of both no matter what your goal. The carbs serve as your "slin shot" to shuttle that protein into your muscles. Remember that insulin is the single most anabolic hormone in the body and the only way to elevate it significantly is by eating lots of carbohydrates. Also you will want to avoid fructose in that meal, so keep your fruit for later. If you're having a hard time getting enough "solid" protein down (I often do) you can have a whey protein shake with that meal

3. Second meal
- 2lbs nonfat curd cheese
- 3lbs lowfat plain yogurt
- 50g whey protein
- 6oz rolled oats
- 1tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil

4. Pre-bed meal
- 80g casein protein
- 2 bananas
- 2tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil
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2lbs grilled chicken, holy ****...what's that, like 250+grams of protein? Guess that throws the myth that body can't use any more than 50g protein per serving out the window
 
stevesmi said:
there are a lot of dumb fucks living in the US trust me.. i deal with them all the time. but we also have the smartest in the world.. its just in the AAS world you are dealing with people too lazy to do their own research and figure out simple shit out, so they want others to do it for them. its the under 25 crowd who want to turn pro's without knowing the difference between a 25gauge needle and a 25gauge shotgun.
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I agree with this comment, everyone wants a hard beach body but no one wants to lift any heavy ass weight.
 
gymjunkie09 said:
2lbs grilled chicken, holy ****...what's that, like 250+grams of protein? Guess that throws the myth that body can't use any more than 50g protein per serving out the window
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was that ever a question? :D lol, such nonsense

I call it the 30/50g protein per meal myth.

Some guy once read a random study on this topic where they gave people different amounts of whey protein isolate. They concluded that what is over 30g taken in at a time will mostly be converted into glucose and used for energy.

But what are we missing here .. They were taking whey protein isolate! Surely you wouldn't go slam 250 grams of whey would you? Solid foods take time to digest. When you eat 2lbs of chicken the amount of amino acids in your bloodstream will remain elevated for 8+ hours in which time you will probably have had your next meal .. So like I said this is pure 100% bullshit
 
Quote posted by EarthRider
lol, i hope this doesn't piss you off. but can you tell me when you eat your meals during IF. like if your feeding time is between 12 pm and 8 pm, how many meals would you fit in there?

So I want to eat 2600 cals a day to lose weight and keep muscle. i'd like to do the IF and have been doing it.
Click to expand...

I don't have a specific meal plan, I just make sure I get in my planned macros.

Here's an example of what I had yesterday:

1. pre+intra workout (make sure you space that throughout your workout - slamming 20g of free aminos will not give you any benefit. Those are digested super quickly and you will want a continous intake of tiny quantities. This can aid in sparing muscle mass when you train fasted. It's all about finding just the right amount - enough for your body to spare it's own aminos but not enough for them to elevate insulin significantly as they are very glucogenic)
- 10g BCAA
- 10g leucine

2. post workout
- 2 lbs grilled chicken breast
- 6oz white rice
- lots of veggies

in the PWO you will want to avoid fatty stuff as this will slow down digestion and you will not get the 100% anabolic benefit of the protein and carbs. Keep it high in carbs and protein, you will need lots of both no matter what your goal. The carbs serve as your "slin shot" to shuttle that protein into your muscles. Remember that insulin is the single most anabolic hormone in the body and the only way to elevate it significantly is by eating lots of carbohydrates. Also you will want to avoid fructose in that meal, so keep your fruit for later. If you're having a hard time getting enough "solid" protein down (I often do) you can have a whey protein shake with that meal

3. Second meal
- 2lbs nonfat curd cheese
- 3lbs lowfat plain yogurt
- 50g whey protein
- 6oz rolled oats
- 1tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil

4. Pre-bed meal
- 80g casein protein
- 2 bananas
- 2tbsp macadamia nut oil
- 10g omega 3 fish oil
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Why do you recommend low fructose in the pre workout meal?
So bananas are no good?
Can I eat oats with low fat milk as a prework meal? Thanks for posting your diet by the way.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using EliteFitness
 
lovedej said:
Why do you recommend low fructose in the pre workout meal?
So bananas are no good?
Can I eat oats with low fat milk as a prework meal? Thanks for posting your diet by the way.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using EliteFitness
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Hes not eating pre workout, its post workout hes talking about. And my guess is he aint eating fructose because its broken down in the liver and dont work that good as a "slin shot".
 
insanityapproved said:
was that ever a question? :D lol, such nonsense

I call it the 30/50g protein per meal myth.

Some guy once read a random study on this topic where they gave people different amounts of whey protein isolate. They concluded that what is over 30g taken in at a time will mostly be converted into glucose and used for energy.

But what are we missing here .. They were taking whey protein isolate! Surely you wouldn't go slam 250 grams of whey would you? Solid foods take time to digest. When you eat 2lbs of chicken the amount of amino acids in your bloodstream will remain elevated for 8+ hours in which time you will probably have had your next meal .. So like I said this is pure 100% bullshit
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Yes exactly only being able to handle 30-50g protein per meal is bullshit. If that were the case then those that need 400-500 grams of protein would have to eat 10 times a day....lets see, every 2 hrs, so you get to sleep 4 hrs. What bullshit.

I shoot for 60-70g per meal/shake, whatever. That gives me at least 360g.
 
underattack said:
Hes not eating pre workout, its post workout hes talking about. And my guess is he aint eating fructose because its broken down in the liver and dont work that good as a "slin shot".
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My bad, was reading on my way to the gym so I apparently did not pay enough attention.
I know fructose is stored in the liver, but the carbs in banana isnt made up of only fructose.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using EliteFitness
 
insanityapproved said:
was that ever a question? :D lol, such nonsense

I call it the 30/50g protein per meal myth.

Some guy once read a random study on this topic where they gave people different amounts of whey protein isolate. They concluded that what is over 30g taken in at a time will mostly be converted into glucose and used for energy.

But what are we missing here .. They were taking whey protein isolate! Surely you wouldn't go slam 250 grams of whey would you? Solid foods take time to digest. When you eat 2lbs of chicken the amount of amino acids in your bloodstream will remain elevated for 8+ hours in which time you will probably have had your next meal .. So like I said this is pure 100% bullshit
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yeah I never really bought into that myself, there is way to many variables
 
gymjunkie09 said:
2lbs grilled chicken, holy ****...what's that, like 250+grams of protein? Guess that throws the myth that body can't use any more than 50g protein per serving out the window
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let us have some insight on how long it takes to digest from the moment we ingest food up to the last process of digestion. The chewing takes only few seconds as we try to broken up the food in the mouth, moistened with our saliva, and formed into a ball or bolus for easy swallowing. The amylase in our saliva is responsible now to break down the starches and simple sugars in our food before it travels down to the esophagus then down to the stomach. Please take note that the longer we chew, the faster the digestion would take place because the rate of digestion speeds up as the food is broken down and chewed properly.

Fish and Sea Food would be my pick of be more rapidly absorbed by the body while steak would be the slowest!
Meat may stay in the intestines for 24-72 hours and still depend on its type. Likewise, red meat in particular takes 1-3 days to complete the digestion process because of fat content and high protein,
Even the quick digesting foods have to wait until the slowest digesting food like meat leave the stomach. This process may take up to 6-8 hours. To be more exact on the digestive time of various proteins, egg yolk digestion time is around 30 minutes; the whole egg is approximately 45 minutes; fish which is less fatty like sole seafood, cod, flounder, and scrod takes 30 minutes to digest; while more fatty fish including salmon, herring, salmon trout can take 45-60 minutes to digest; the chicken without skin can take up 1 1/2 – 2 hours before it leaves the stomach (what more for chicken with skin?); the turkey without skin is much longer to digest because it can stay 2-2 1/4 hours of digestion; the most favorite beef and lamb can really stay 3-4 hours; lastly, the pork which is always part of the meal can take 4 1/2- 5 hours to digest.

Now, if the stomach is full, what happens to other foods ingested together with the meat like carbohydrates, starches, vegetables and fruits? While they are waiting for the stomach to be emptied, they undergo fermentation that produces acid, gas, and the most common indigestion problems.

So in Summary it's best to eat the faster ,waterly digesting foods before meat!
 
RADAR said:
let us have some insight on how long it takes to digest from the moment we ingest food up to the last process of digestion. The chewing takes only few seconds as we try to broken up the food in the mouth, moistened with our saliva, and formed into a ball or bolus for easy swallowing. The amylase in our saliva is responsible now to break down the starches and simple sugars in our food before it travels down to the esophagus then down to the stomach. Please take note that the longer we chew, the faster the digestion would take place because the rate of digestion speeds up as the food is broken down and chewed properly.

Fish and Sea Food would be my pick of be more rapidly absorbed by the body while steak would be the slowest!
Meat may stay in the intestines for 24-72 hours and still depend on its type. Likewise, red meat in particular takes 1-3 days to complete the digestion process because of fat content and high protein,
Even the quick digesting foods have to wait until the slowest digesting food like meat leave the stomach. This process may take up to 6-8 hours. To be more exact on the digestive time of various proteins, egg yolk digestion time is around 30 minutes; the whole egg is approximately 45 minutes; fish which is less fatty like sole seafood, cod, flounder, and scrod takes 30 minutes to digest; while more fatty fish including salmon, herring, salmon trout can take 45-60 minutes to digest; the chicken without skin can take up 1 1/2 – 2 hours before it leaves the stomach (what more for chicken with skin?); the turkey without skin is much longer to digest because it can stay 2-2 1/4 hours of digestion; the most favorite beef and lamb can really stay 3-4 hours; lastly, the pork which is always part of the meal can take 4 1/2- 5 hours to digest.

Now, if the stomach is full, what happens to other foods ingested together with the meat like carbohydrates, starches, vegetables and fruits? While they are waiting for the stomach to be emptied, they undergo fermentation that produces acid, gas, and the most common indigestion problems.

So in Summary it's best to eat the faster ,waterly digesting foods before meat!
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great post, my last girl was a vegan and she always used to tell me to eat my veggies first lol...ever since that's how I eat
 
Good work D, try throwing in some drag curls sometimes for a sweet switch, i guarantee you will be sore.
 
Been getting tons of PM's over the past few days about when my website is going to be up

Sorry guys but this is a super busy part of the year for me so it might take a little longer then i've planned .. Should be up by June atleast I hope so. I'll keep y'all updated.

Also, when I say this everyone starts apologising for sending me questions via PM - don't! No problem about that at all, a pm takes me 2-3 mins to answer and I can always take time to help
 
A little update

weight gone down 2lbs so far which isn't exactly what I have planned but so far I'm not worried much about it. I've upped my dose of prop to 150mg ED and the joint pains I get from the winstrol+anavar combo were gone the next day.

Here's how things should go from now on:
- 1-2 weeks for optimal delts striations and defined triceps
- 2-3 weeks for all lower ab veins and defined side abs
- 4-5 weeks for optimal chest and quads striations and veins
- 5-6 weeks for defined glutes
 
gymjunkie09 said:
2lbs grilled chicken, holy ****...what's that, like 250+grams of protein? Guess that throws the myth that body can't use any more than 50g protein per serving out the window
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Yes....that is a myth my friend. I've been doing IF for a long time myself, and my meals are always 125-150g protein minimum, particularly the post workout meal which should be the largest of the day. Your body can digest the aminos from protein ingested for 16 hours or even longer.

Eating every 2-3 hours of 30-50g protein is a thing of the past for me ;)
 
insanityapproved said:
A little update

weight gone down 2lbs so far which isn't exactly what I have planned but so far I'm not worried much about it. I've upped my dose of prop to 150mg ED and the joint pains I get from the winstrol+anavar combo were gone the next day.

Here's how things should go from now on:
- 1-2 weeks for optimal delts striations and defined triceps
- 2-3 weeks for all lower ab veins and defined side abs
- 4-5 weeks for optimal chest and quads striations and veins
- 5-6 weeks for defined glutes
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Bro you look absolutely incredible. Very nice work.
 
insanityapproved said:
A little update

weight gone down 2lbs so far which isn't exactly what I have planned but so far I'm not worried much about it. I've upped my dose of prop to 150mg ED and the joint pains I get from the winstrol+anavar combo were gone the next day.

Here's how things should go from now on:
- 1-2 weeks for optimal delts striations and defined triceps
- 2-3 weeks for all lower ab veins and defined side abs
- 4-5 weeks for optimal chest and quads striations and veins
- 5-6 weeks for defined glutes
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Holy shit! looking thick as i dunno what bro! Massive
 
Let me just mention this pic was taken fasted so I don't really find myself looking all that thick ( I mean compared to the fullness I get after eating my carbs :)
 
Hoy Shit bro...its all been said but you look OUTSTANDING!
 
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