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Fuck abortion hard in the ass with a 3 foot razor studded dildo.
it's such a mess, specially because of these paragraphs:
She has a birth defect called holoprosencephaly, where the brain fails to completely divide into distinct hemispheres. She has heterotaxy, which means many of her internal organs, such as her liver and stomach, are in the wrong places. She has at least two spleens, neither of which works properly. Her head is very small, her right ear is misshapen, she has a cleft lip and a cleft palate, and a long list of complex heart defects, among other problems.
Baby S. -- her adoptive parents are comfortable using her first initial -- has a long road in front of her. She's already had one open-heart surgery and surgery on her intestines, and in the next year she'll need one or two more cardiac surgeries in addition to procedures to repair her cleft lip and palate. Later in childhood she'll need surgeries on her jaw and ear and more heart surgeries.
Her adoptive parents, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their family's privacy, know Baby S. might not be with them for long. The cardiac procedures she needs are risky, and her heterotaxy and holoprosencephaly, though mild, carry a risk of early death, according to doctors.
If Baby S. does survive, there's a 50% chance she won't be able to walk, talk or use her hands normally.
She has a birth defect called holoprosencephaly, where the brain fails to completely divide into distinct hemispheres. She has heterotaxy, which means many of her internal organs, such as her liver and stomach, are in the wrong places. She has at least two spleens, neither of which works properly. Her head is very small, her right ear is misshapen, she has a cleft lip and a cleft palate, and a long list of complex heart defects, among other problems.
Baby S. -- her adoptive parents are comfortable using her first initial -- has a long road in front of her. She's already had one open-heart surgery and surgery on her intestines, and in the next year she'll need one or two more cardiac surgeries in addition to procedures to repair her cleft lip and palate. Later in childhood she'll need surgeries on her jaw and ear and more heart surgeries.
Her adoptive parents, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their family's privacy, know Baby S. might not be with them for long. The cardiac procedures she needs are risky, and her heterotaxy and holoprosencephaly, though mild, carry a risk of early death, according to doctors.
If Baby S. does survive, there's a 50% chance she won't be able to walk, talk or use her hands normally.
but then there is this:
They see a little girl who's defied the odds, who constantly surprises her doctors with what she's able to do -- make eye contact, giggle at her siblings, grab toys, eye strangers warily.
They see a little girl who's defied the odds, who constantly surprises her doctors with what she's able to do -- make eye contact, giggle at her siblings, grab toys, eye strangers warily.
I don't give a fuck what the circumstances are, you can't justify murder
Yes but youre actually a principled human being. Everyone else wants their "rights" how they want them, but when someone else uses the same right in a slightly different manner then oh no its bad.
Its my gutdamn right!!!!!1
'we want abortion! ....well, except when it's gonna sound fucked up on the news....we don't want it then...'
We want gun control, except when i really need a gun, then i dont want it
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noone should have guns, and noone should have private security guards who carry guns! Except for me, I want security guards with guns...
redsamurai
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my god what an intelligent statement. Did you come up with that one while you were perched on the toilet squeezing out a deuce? If I have as little IQ points as plunkey claims it's gotta be in the negative now after reading that. Dumb and lame don't hardly do a cent of justice to this brain damaged post.
There isn't any circumstance you can think of that would justify murder?
I'm reading the story now. This is actually very interesting. her lawyer states she can't be forced to have an abortion. however the contract states she is legally obligated to an abortion. if the contract is nullified should she has to give all the money back.
if she has the baby nobody will adopt it so the public will pick up the cost of taking care of it
if she has the baby nobody will adopt it so the public will pick up the cost of taking care of it
Define murder
Causing someone that is alive and breathing to cease doing both.
Well shit head if you have the only acceptable definition then spit it out rather than ask
There is a MASSIVE difference between killing and murdering.
You were the one that applied murder in the lawful instance of a baby that hadn't been born yet, so I figured you meant the killing of any human being under any circumstance, lawful or unlawful.
Lawful doesn't equal right.
I meant the MURDER of an innocent child who has done nothing wrong and has no choice. Life begins at conception.
Killing is different.
So you think an abortion at 6 weeks should be treated as a capital offense?
You think taking an innocent life is ok?
Just wear a mustache disguise
No, I can't honestly say I treat an early term abortion the same as murder.
Even so, I try not to pin things down I can't pin down. Until I know if it's a person at six weeks or 20 weeks I choose to keep my mouth shut and try not to look like a fool, or a hypocrite (I'm both a fool and a hypocrite).
I was just asking if you couldn't possibly think of a circumstance where murder was justified.
Even so, I try not to pin things down I can't pin down. Until I know if it's a person at six weeks or 20 weeks I choose to keep my mouth shut and try not to look like a fool, or a hypocrite (I'm both a fool and a hypocrite).
I was just asking if you couldn't possibly think of a circumstance where murder was justified.
Life begins at conception. Doesn't matter if it's 6 days, 6 weeks, or 6 years, it is a human life. Who the fuck are you or me or anyone else to decide 'we won't keep this one'?
That's murder. Murder is never justified, no matter what way you try and spin it.
Killing? I can name several instances where killing is justified. Hell, I have killed people before. It's just not the same.
smarter people than you don't know that for sure
but if you want to believe that you're free to
No, it's pizza when you add the liquid to the dry ingredients.
How is it even up for debate? You know how a baby is made. If a sperm fertilizes an egg, and it begins to grow, it is a baby. It may not be as developed as you are yet, but did Abby come out of the womb walking and talking? Did she have all her teeth?
Is it ok to snub her life out because she isn't a fully developed specimen yet?
Fuck no.
It's the SAME. A baby in the womb is still a baby, just happens to be not as developed yet as a child like mine, or yours, who happen to not be as developed as the two of us adults.
Trying to pinpoint which stage you get to decide to murder something doesn't take away from the fact that it's still murder.
It's up for debate because if it's a person you can't justify killing it. If it's not you can't justify telling someone else what to do with their body.
It can't be a person at conception or I'd be a half person. If a single, unique cell is a person then an organ transplant is murder. It can't be a person because then cancer would be a person and killing cancer cells is murder.
Still murder to who? You? The majority? Who is the morality rule maker?
What do you do in this scenario? You're in a building that is on fire. You have the option to save a baby, or a several test tubes full of embryos.
What do you do? If they're all people, equal in their personhood like you claim you honestly believe, you must save the test tube embryos and leave the infant to die, right? Is that what you would do?
But I wasn't trying to debate you. I asked you if you couldn't think of one circumstance where murder was justifiable.
but what else could it be (or become)? Could that human sperm and egg turn into a bald eagle? A dog? buffalo? coyote?
I'll donate an organ to you...
I want it back though.
How about a beating heart? That's about 4-5 weeks. Can we agree that is a living being?
but what else could it be (or become)? Could that human sperm and egg turn into a bald eagle? A dog? buffalo? coyote?
I'll donate an organ to you...
I want it back though.
How about a beating heart? That's about 4-5 weeks. Can we agree that is a living being?
Oh yeah, I'd even agree that at conception it is a living being.
In which case it should be viewed as murder
Care to tell me how it's different?
you. would've thought you were pro-life
I am for me. Calling it murder is dramatic as hell, though.
training700
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Fuck that I'm fine with an abortion lol especially if know have that many problems. Didn't read article. I've never dated a girl that said wouldn't have an abortion if for some reason birth control didn't work.
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Trying to force a woman who is currently carrying the child to have an abortion, even if that child is genetically yours, isn't exactly "using pro choice rights."
I find it incredibly ironic that pro-choicers often use the line of, "someone else can't tell me what to do with MY body," and here we have a couple trying to do just that, but with the opposite end result. If people want to argue that women should have the right to make choices about their bodies, that has to extend to them having the right NOT to abort.
Headholio
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Headholio
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Obviously, you should save the embryo's, let them grow to be welfare babies, and then take away their welfare.
Headholio
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Shit it was always obvious to me that Cindy is WAAAY too smart for that.
Murder: only for the intelligent.
So pro-choicers are smarter than pro-lifers?
Headholio
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I don't think anyone can force her to have the baby. She can have it, but she can't have it and get paid under the terms of the contract. That's freedom. Keep the deformed retarded baby and go be happy. She just has to give the money back because thats the deal she made.
Huge piece of shit, but your mother still loves you
Headholio
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From my observations, yes.
But as Herman Cain once said, "I don't have facts to back this up"
From my observations, yes.
But as Herman Cain once said, "I don't have facts to back this up"
Redscam also said that
lol did you read the article?
They very much tried to force her hand to have an abortion. They even went so far as to try and sue for custodial rights with the threat that once the baby was born, they would hand it over to the foster care system (thus, trying to guilt her into aborting the child).
She was paid for the months she carried the baby, and that should be hers to keep - she carried their child those months, was asked to carry the child in those months, and fulfilled her end. She never received the "end" fee, so there is nothing to return that goes against the contract. Surrogacy contracts have two portions, one involving payment of living and medical expenses during pregnancy, one for the "delivery" of the baby. Just because the couple doesn't want the baby anymore doesn't mean they get to ask for a refund for the months they did. They only went after the "refund" when she refused to abort, yet another bully tactic to try and convince her to terminate her pregnancy.
bakemeacookie
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good lord. And in all of tihs, the taxpayers are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for all this. I'm sorry, I understand babies are precious - but why should taxpayers pay out a millions for a childs short lifetime when it's clear the child will be born with extensive problems?
It's akin to spending thousands to operate on a 94 y/o. We in America need to have death panels. We only have so much money & resources.
mrplunkey
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I think it's interesting that the federal government will close the gun show loophole before they'll close the partial birth abortion loophole.
Regardless of a person's position on abortion, there's no doubt that partially birthing a viable fetus and killing it in the operating room is murder.
Regardless of a person's position on abortion, there's no doubt that partially birthing a viable fetus and killing it in the operating room is murder.
He's right. There's no way they could have forced her to have a medical procedure no matter how much they tried. That would have never happened. They tried to influence her by asking for their money back and you can call that bullying but technically from what I remember about contracts I think they are entitled to their money back. She signed a contract that said she would abort if there were severe deformities, not that she would be forced to abort but she would have to give the money back.
I do not understand why the parents would petition for custody just to give up the baby when all they had to do was just give up the rights in the first place. I guess they figured if the baby was born they wanted to see the baby, but not raise another special needs baby. What a mess.
They are trying to pick and choose. Fucking pathetic. Guess a special needs baby isn't 'good enough' so they want to return it for a refund.
This is human life we are talking about, and these pieces of shit are treating it like it's a fucking faulty DVD player they want to bring back for an exchange.
It appears now they want some kind of parental rights.
These people need to be beaten to death with something blunt.
Save bullshit like this from happening again.
Save bullshit like this from happening again.
The surrogate didn't want the baby either; she initially said she'd abort for 15k, when they refused she sued the biological parents who didn't want to pay for her to carry the child according to the contract she signed. She fled the state and gave the baby to someone she met on the net. LOL
What a mess.
Everyone invloved is out of their minds....
Everyone invloved is out of their minds....
Woot is a good bro though
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Fucking autocorrect
Racist!
Lolololol
mrplunkey
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I'd still rather pay a million dollars to buy a baby a shot at living as opposed to paying a million dollars so two fatasses can get all new hips, knees, spinal fusions and a lifetime of insulin shots.
The baby didn't get to choose -- the fatasses did.
mistaballoonhands
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I hate 32 people in this thread
They didn't just ask for the money back, they threatened to dump the baby into the foster system if she let it be born. That's sick.
Are you sure her contract included a clause about getting the money back or agreeing to abort? It's been a few days since I read the article, but I don't remember that.
Headholio
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Yes the contract did say that.
The chick was a professional surrogate, meaning she got pregnant for money. The biological parents didn't want a deformed and retarded baby. That's a compassionate attitude IMO.
Ironically, the surrogate who made such a stink about abortion, also didn't want the baby, and took it to term just to give it up.
Also, it is important to note, that the surrogate, when offered 10k to abort, countered for 15k.
When her offer was refused, she decided to become the "no abortion no matter what" - highly moral person.
Sure you can. There are always reasons why people would be pushed that far. Even you.
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