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This is whats WRONG with AAS usage to me

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Does it look like this guy should be injecting anything besides himself under a squat bar for a couple of years? I just have a hard time with those that apparently havent put any time in and just go right to all of the "helpers" without any foundation built.

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i agree. I looked at the site in the past and it struck me that the person in all the photos does not even look like they workout. But hey, who am i to judge.
 
Remember though that there are guys on here who eat 6000-7000 calories a day (with AS) and are still only 180-185 lbs...Some grow from just looking at food, others have to make eating a job. I have friends who are 6' 240 and eat a paltry 3000 calories a day (if that), while others have to eat 6,000 just to maintain 185 lbs. :( ...

I don't know about this paticular guy but I do see a BIG difference in people on a daily basis
 
The Terminator said:
Remember though that there are guys on here who eat 6000-7000 calories a day (with AS) and are still only 180-185 lbs...Some grow from just looking at food, others have to make eating a job. I have friends who are 6' 240 and eat a paltry 3000 calories a day (if that), while others have to eat 6,000 just to maintain 185 lbs. :( ...

I don't know about this paticular guy but I do see a BIG difference in people on a daily basis
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very very true, everyone is different.
 
I have already complained about this. No problem for the guy, but I want to know the exact muscle bundles in which to inject, and it would help if his were seen. He could loose some fat, so that his pics would be more educational.
 
the guy actually is pretty solid.

i checked out his pics and he's by no means small or outta shape.
give him a break!
 
well...

his legs dont look too impressive at all, but then again, he could be holding some fat after a bulking cycle, it could just the unflattering way the picture came out, then again, why would he be flexing and trying to show off the sweep of his quads when he has a needle in his leg?

people use gear for lots of diff reasons and not everyone cares about being huge and or cut, and like terminator says, not all of them are 200+lbs. my 2cents
 
He may be big, and I am glad he has decided to make an educational site, but it would be nice to have someone more defined to actually see the muscle heads he is hitting. They seem to have pics of a new dude who is actually much leaner so those are the places I try. I shot triceps the other day using their directions with no problem.
 
i will agree that his quads certainly not proportional to the upper body.
 
Well, i tend to disagree a bit. First off I'm one of those guys that could gain some more naturally. I've learned how to gain weight without AAS', and it's much the same as being on AAS to me. I have to work my ass off at the gym, eat like a mofo and get plenty of rest. Those are some of the constants that everyone mentions on this site. My logic is like this: If I'm going to pound 4000-6000 calories, 250g of protein per day and bust my ass at the gym... then why not do the juice because I'll gain a lot more, and a lot faster. i plan on lifting for the rest of my life, but my goal is to hit about 5'8" 185-190lbs cut, and I'm almost at 170 now. If I try to get there naturally, I'm looking at a couple years at least. If I juice I can cut that time in half and once i reach it... well hell, once I reach it I think maintaining will be a lot easier than eating 7 meals a day and lifting like it's going out of style. Shit, i hope that made sense, I'm all fucked up here. Had a turkey sandwich at subway yesterday and I've been pissin out my ass for 12 hours, and violently vomiting. I'm just now eating for the first time, an english muffin. I don't even want to think about what I weigh in at right now.
 
well bodybuilding, at age 24 I weighed about 127lbs and started lifting and went naturally to about 145 in a years time. Since then I've been involved in a lot of sports and activities so my weight lifting was on and off and when I was training regularly, it wasn't really to gain so much size, just to look good. besides, it's fuckin hard to gain size in the gym if I'm playing basketball 4-5 days a week (2-3 hours each time) and surfing a couple days, and mountain biking. So now i'm 32 and I got into bodybuilding more seriously the past year and a half and went from 150lbs to 164lbs before I started my first sust/dbol cycle earlier this year. I ballooned to 181lbs and ended up at about 172lbs before I ate shit on my dirtbike and couldn't lift for several months immediately following my cycle. So I dropped to a measly 160lbs and in the past 2 months I've gotten back up to a solid 168lbs and plan on being 170 before I start my next test/eq cycle in 2-4 weeks, depending on how my back is feeling. I hear what you're saying though about guys that CAN'T and DON'T KNOW HOW to gain naturally, but I'm not one of those guys. I can do it, I'm just not the most patient man on the planet.
 
Can we please stop knocking other people. Not everyone can be 220lbs with 8% bf prior to juicing...most don't even come close. It all comes down to genetics and the effort put into training and eating. Who is to judge how much a person should weigh or look before starting to use anabolics? I find it very hypocritical to deem a person worthy or unworthy of using AAS, when we use them ourselves to our heart's content, and many of us before reaching the proverbial "genetic limit." It is a person's choice to put what they wish into their own bodies, and if they feel they are ready to take the next step, so be it (providing they are of age of course).
 
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nighthawkk, that's kind of the point I was trying to make in a non-confrontational manner. I agree with you. I'll bet 80% of the guys taking juice weren't 220lbs with 8%BF when they did there first cycle. However, there are a lot of guys that go into AAS without enough knowledge and experience and those guys are usually either idiots or too young and inexperienced to know better. Ok guys, I gotto go drop off the kids at the pool.
 
its an UNFLEXED leg..

give the guy a fucking break...

I look at my leg unflexed and its not much better...

I bet shaved, with a pump, and flexed up he's got plenty of muscle.
 
well i like his site that he made up.......even though his legs are not big or lean......he has set up a site where he helps ppl injecting...
 
That's XBiker. Not all the pics on the site are his though, a few other people voluntered. You can see by looking at the strict differences in size and shape from person to person.

One thing though, why not just worry about yourself? Who cares what other people do?

People take things for different purposes, who are you or me to judge them?

-sk
 
sk* said:
One thing though, why not just worry about yourself? Who cares what other people do?

People take things for different purposes, who are you or me to judge them?

-sk
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what more is there to say?
 
I don't see it as judgemental thing. But the original point is valid.

The most hard-ass bunch of bros I ever trained with was at a Ballys on Long Island. I doubt if ANYBODY was juicing and there were a dozen guys with better legs than that -- even mine, and I started with sticks.
Meanwhile, I've since trained in hardcore gyms where guys were juicing like pros but they didn't train nearly as hard or look half as good.

And the reason, I believe, is this.

Steroids will help. But if a gram of gear doesn't make you look any better than a natural athlete, the answer isn't more gear -- it's more lifting. Now suck it up and start squatting!
 
The bottom line is some people are quick to think they are "hardgainers". The truth is you have as much of a chance of being an Elite level athlete as you do of being a hardgainer. We all hit plateaus; some people will look at there diets, modify there routines, get more sleep, try different training approaches...others will go buy the latest scam supplement or stick a needle in themselves. If you are in your early twenties, there is no excuse, you have plenty of test flowing in you to make gains.
 
I've seen that pic before and thought the same thing, but it just helps prove what I've thought all along, the vast majority of guys that jump on juice are using it as a crutch, an easy way out to avoid the years of pounding the iron that the dedicated ones put in first
 
you are right bodybuilding universe, but remember that in forums like this, we try to find the perfection in the use of steroids. Thanks to all the valuable knowledge of many good bros, including you, we try to train well, eat well, and use steroids in a safe and good form. But besides this forums, there are thousands of kids and guys that are using roids without any research of it. Just hearing comments on the gym or who knows what.
 
sk: "One thing though, why not just worry about yourself? Who cares what other people do?"

Talking about using the drugs as a crutch like needsize said dude, and I'm sure you never worry about anyone elses business, right? :rolleyes:

Not saying one of the the guys doesnt have big arms, that the site isnt helpful, that the dude isn't flexing his leg...blah blah blah

bottomline, my opinion, if you find yourself sticking a needle in your quad and you can't bench 225 and don't squat you may be jumping the gun a hair.

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BodybuildingUniverse said:
sk: "One thing though, why not just worry about yourself? Who cares what other people do?"

Talking about using the drugs as a crutch like needsize said dude, and I'm sure you never worry about anyone elses business, right? :rolleyes:

Not saying one of the the guys doesnt have big arms, that the site isnt helpful, that the dude isn't flexing his leg...blah blah blah

bottomline, my opinion, if you find yourself sticking a needle in your quad and you can't bench 225 and don't squat you may be jumping the gun a hair.

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Remember, Ronnie Coleman shits at your bench, than on your pathetic squat. He also did this way before touching a steroid.

Mind your own business. Not being a dick, but it really is none of your concern why anyone else injects. You do it right?

EDITED TO ADD: You have every right to give your opinion on the matter, but it's your attidute about it that I don't like. Why are there strict numbers like a 225bench? 225 is really shit, why not 405? You get the picture.

-sk
 
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Lestat said:

I bet shaved, with a pump, and flexed up he's got plenty of muscle.
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umm no. I am 17 and have never touched juice, but my quads are still bigger even when cold and relaxed.

It is his decision to take juice but no one can argue that he would get more results if he just worked harder.
 
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no disrespect to the veterans here but its really not your problem who's on and whos not. I do this stuff just to look good. I could care less about bodybuilding. I want to be able do this shit, eat right, and look great for a summer.......after that i dont really care. I will lose some of my gains and not really maintain my diet well. Why does that bother you? It really shouldn't! Theres not an elite group thats "allowed" to do this stuff. Anyone can do it. The Only thing i would hope for is that they have done their research and know what they are getting into.
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He is a skinny ass little burnt out E addict with no business using AAS at this point.

A pathetic little person. Also, the other (bigger) person in the website is Nautica. The rest is XBiker. A sorry lifter, who - like some of you have said - is relying on steroids when he needs to be inside a gym. That tricep pic on his website is utterly pathetic.

The rest of what needs to be said is right here...

http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...hreadid=217916&highlight=XBiker+just+you+step
 
Jesus, I have to use gear to get to 190 lbs at 5'9". I lifted hard for 12 years before touching any gear. The most I've ever weighed was a bloated 198 lbs (with a 405 bench and 515 squat). Yes I do squats like a motherfucker too, I even deadlift which is more than a lot of bodybuilders can claim. Some of us just don't have the athletic genes. I started as a skinny ass kid with ribs poking through my skin. This dude looks to be pretty damn big to me. That pic is a relaxed sitting quad shot as well. You can't tell shit from a relaxed quad, they just don't take shape until they are flexed or standing. Damn some of you motherfuckers are harsh. I'll bet the pro bodybuilders could bash you guys for the same reason, I mean hell there are guys on this board that use year round like a pro but probably would have a hard time taking 3rd place at a local BB show. That would probably seem pathetic to a pro.
 
Does this look like someone who has even worked out before resorting to the juice?

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Looks like a scrawny dude with some babyfat to me.
 
My question is..............who the fuq cares??? Man, if he is not one of the idiots having a heart attack or high cholesterol let him be. Everyone who thinks that aas will get them somewhere without working hard will find out the hard way. My first cycle was test and anavar I put on a lot and only lost water weight. It was incredible. My second cycle of deca and test was a nightmare. Post motorcycle accident recovery. I didn't eat good and couldn't lift heavy at all. Do I think it helped me recover???? Yes. Did it help me build like my first cycle??? No and the doses were doubled compared to the first cycle. I put on like 6 lbs. I kept everything, but there wasn't much to keep. I wouldn't judge by pics (lol except for the arm pic) that is kinda sad. I am happy to see sights like that though. I wondered the same thing as everyone else, but I could give a shit. WTF. There are people out there who juice for power or endurance. People who try not to put on more size. Just can't figure out why everyone makes a big deal out of this. Although the arm pic doesn't look like anything of power or endurance, or bulk. Its funny to look at, but thats it for me. I could give a shit.
 
bicepts101 said:
BOTTOM LINE:this should be bigger
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Yes, he should be. You would figure someone with multiple cycles and GH experience would at least have a lump of muscle SOMEWHERE on their body.
 
I'll probably get flamed for this but think its better to be honest.

I was one of those guys who started out at 5'10" 160lbs. I had been training for 3-4 years but not really hard enough and my daily protein intake was probably a bit of a joke.

Anyway, when I decided to do my first cycle, I was on here all the time as well as training and diet boards (been here long time, different user name). Whilst I was on the cycle I ate awesome; 200+lbs protein ED, ate very clean and trained out of my skin with adequate rest. As you'd expect I blew up to 185lbs.

I now wish I had just revamped my training and diet naturally to see what I would have gained. Never the less, being on my first cycle, taught me to research and train/eat properly. At the end of my cycle I was still making gains of around a lb a month whilst dropping bf.

What I'm saying is, Yes I should have waited but now I know lots and can make good gains naturally. AAS gave me the inspiration and now I'm sticking with it.

I went from eating mcdonalds and full fat milk to all the proper things like skimmed milk, chicken, lean meat, flaxseed oil, green tea etc.
 
Im with B.B.U, Nelson, and AAP on this. This site is dedicated to educating people about the PROPER way to use AAS. Having a decent base to work with before you start is a given. Those who complained must look similar in physique...these havent been personal attacks, so why else stick up for what you know is wrong??
By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

-DNIndustry
 
DNIndustry said:
By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

-DNIndustry
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Amen brother. Too many people use AAS as a crutch for being lazy. No wonder they still look like shit after cycles.
 
DNIndustry said:

By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

-DNIndustry
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Best post ever!
 
DNIndustry said:
By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

-DNIndustry
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So were the shredded "turds" when they cut up?
He he JK very good post...genetics is piss poor excuse especially for those who claim they are a "hardgainer" because they over or undertrain don't eat right chase skirts miss meals stay out late drink and juice and wonder why they can't gain.
Get it all in order or NOT!!!:mix: :anon:
 
DNIndustry said:
Im with B.B.U, Nelson, and AAP on this. This site is dedicated to educating people about the PROPER way to use AAS. Having a decent base to work with before you start is a given. Those who complained must look similar in physique...these havent been personal attacks, so why else stick up for what you know is wrong??
By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

-DNIndustry
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Amazing post
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
I think some people here need to start posting their pics for everyone to bash
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Agreed. Everyone is a critic. There are certainly some very impressive people on EF, but I've had guys who have been training and juicing ALOT longer than I have tell me I look like shit, then I see their pics or see them type their stats later and its like WTF? Maybe I'm not sporting one of the top ten physiques on here, but you should be at least have a better one that I do if your going to tell me I look like shit or have a mediocre body.

Too many people are so quick to jump on everyone for how they look, when they haven't come as far themselves. Unless someone ask for brutal honesty, its just rude, and mean spirited to rip someones physique apart when they are actually trying. Not everyone can look like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler after 3 or 4 cycles.

We all juice for our own reasons, and it is just as wrong for us to say that someone should or shouldn't do to their own bodies as it is for the government to do so, and make it illegal for us to use the drugs that so many of us do.
 
agreed....

you wanna bash some dude?

thats fine... but post your pics first!
 
I think I have posted enough pics to earn the right to bash whoever I want.

I was 231lb and under 6% BF before I ever touched roids. If I were like this scrawny ass in the pics, and had done several cycles and GH along with it... I would certainly be over 260 now instead of 242. He ain't even over 190 yet.
 
steroids are used for improvment bottom line. we all started them because we weren't happy with out current physique or strength point. That is like saying that you must date all the blondes in the world first before you touch a brunnett. What if you just like brown hair better? who are any of you to say what I should and should not do? that is the beauty of juicing, it is a personal choice, whether right or wrong. In our world where personal choice is almost gone, everything is regulated and most people just follow the crowd I would rather see a 5'10" 160 pound guy say "F--K all of you, I can do what I want with my body, good or bad" this site is for education not "My dad can beat up your dad or my leg is bigger than my leg" you know who you can thank for being 240 at 6% bodyfat- YOUR PARENTS. don't even tell me that shit about genetics not being a factor, you know who says that-PEOPLE WITH GOOD GENETICS.
 
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I think I have posted enough pics to earn the right to bash whoever I want.

I was 231lb and under 6% BF before I ever touched roids. If I were like this scrawny ass in the pics, and had done several cycles and GH along with it... I would certainly be over 260 now instead of 242. He ain't even over 190 yet.
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I was a strapping 173 lbs. LOL
 
Thing is.... after these cycles and all this training, the little sissy still looks like shit. Now THAT is pathetic... if you use roids, at least get something out of it.

As we can see by the pics... obviously he never learned jack shit about training or diet. Which is why he STILL looks pathetic now.
 
AAP said:
I was 231lb and under 6% BF before I ever touched roids. If I were like this scrawny ass in the pics, and had done several cycles and GH along with it... I would certainly be over 260 now instead of 242. He ain't even over 190 yet.
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OK, well we can see there is some animosity between you and the pic poster (XBiker I assume...) But realistically you know that most people would never even come close tho where you were naturally (even while juicing). Most guys are lucky to get to 180 @6% bf, much less 231. You got lucky (genetically speaking :) )
 
The Terminator said:


OK, well we can see there is some animosity between you and the pic poster (XBiker I assume...) But realistically you know that most people would never even come close tho where you were naturally (even while juicing). Most guys are lucky to get to 180 @6% bf, much less 231. You got lucky (genetically speaking :) )
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did you miss DNIndustry's post?

By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

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I did, and I can't say I agree with it. But genetics are in the eye of the beholder. I think a guy @200 lbs. 6% looks really good (and therefore I may think he has good genetics)...but he may strive to be 240 @6% and thus thinks he has poor lacking genetics and can not get there...
I rarely go over 190 lbs. but do I think I have poor genetics, no...I have a 27-28" waist :D
 
The genetics excuse makes me sick.

I have been the strongest guy in my school for the last several months and when ever people talk to me about how much mass and strength I gained something along the lines of “you must have good genetics” ALWAYS pops up! It is such bullshit.

I am the strongest in my school because everyone else will do one of the following:

1) They don’t eat much because they are afraid of getting fat.
2) They are not in the weight room consistently.
3) They don’t know how to push themselves.
4) Their form sucks.

All of them are either total unaware of what they are doing wrong or they just keep telling themselves “I will get serious starting [insert nonexistent date, or date that is soon to be pushed back indefinitely here]”

Bottom line is if you do not notice a significant change in your body every couple months or so you need to ask yourself if you are absolutely sure you are doing EVERYTHING you could be doing. If you really are then you might just need a new way of training.
 
Genetics definitely plays some factor (muscle bellies and tie ins can be tough to overcome). I have seen guys train their calves like madmen and still have calves that look like Olive Oil's, while I do mine twice a week (though pretty intensely), and mine look pretty damn good. Genetically gifted, yeah probably (my dad has enormous calves). I think we all know that genetics plays some role (whether you think it is a significant role or not is your own opinion...I think it plays a pretty significant role...)
 
I love it when everybody says "wow, you have great genetics" well, if they would have seen me 6 years ago when I was 170lbs, with no muscle, with 2 double chins on top of each other and layers of fat hanging over the sides of my pants, they never once said "hey! you have great genetics!" to this day, if I eat a donut, I will literally lose all my abs for at least a week, it's insane, I have like the worst genetics I could possibly imagine :) but yet, I can build my body up because of my "great genetics", it cracks me up :) It's simply amazing that the harder I work, the better my genetics get :)
 
I WANNA BE WITH BRICKGIRL TOO!

:(
 
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Genetics definitely plays some factor (muscle bellies and tie ins can be tough to overcome). I have seen guys train their calves like madmen and still have calves that look like Olive Oil's, while I do mine twice a week (though pretty intensely), and mine look pretty damn good. Genetically gifted, yeah probably (my dad has enormous calves). I think we all know that genetics plays some role (whether you think it is a significant role or not is your own opinion...I think it plays a pretty significant role...)
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Training hard does not always mean they are training right.

There are many different calve exercises and several ways to modify each of them in addition to varying sets and reps. And even if they are doing everything else right they still might be over training. Are you sure they have tried as many methods as they could?

I know that genetics do play a role. I am not saying they are totally irrelevant, but knowledge and determination can make up for a lot.
 
i got one thing to say about calves..

JUMP ROPE!

my calves are massive and thats the only exercise i do for em.
 
AAP is correct, this dude has no business touching the juice

satchboogie: i'm going to try the jump roping after my next calve workout, never thought of that
 
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DNIndustry said:
Im with B.B.U, Nelson, and AAP on this. This site is dedicated to educating people about the PROPER way to use AAS. Having a decent base to work with before you start is a given. Those who complained must look similar in physique...these havent been personal attacks, so why else stick up for what you know is wrong??
By the way Genetics is one of the wost f*#king excuses ever. Its a cop out. Ive seen obese turds with terrible bloodlines become shreded despite what they had to work with. IMO The "Bad genetics Excuse" translates to "I dont have the inner strength and drive".

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well fuckin put bro
 
jump rope eh satch?

i may have to try that

although i do agree that genetics is a poor excuse, they definitly are one piece to the puzzle.
 
I could take the person with the "worst genetics" on this entire board and put 20 pounds of muscle on him in three months naturally.

You know something? It is a fucking shame that people turn to AAS to create their physique. AAS is nothing but an enhancer. But people rely on it for 50% or more of their gains. To make matters worse this sissy little Xbitch likes to show up on the ana board dispensing advice... HELLO? He ain't learned how to use it properly yet.

AAS does not make up for sorry training or a piss poor diet. When you hear of pro BB'rs hiring people to take them to the next level... who do you hear of them hiring? Chad, Milos, or Aceto - fucking dieticians... Charles Glass - a trainer.... how many times have you ever heard of a BB jumping up in show placings because he hired So-and-So - a drug guru?
 
AAP said:
I could take the person with the "worst genetics" on this entire board and put 20 pounds of muscle on him in three months naturally.

You know something? It is a fucking shame that people turn to AAS to create their physique. AAS is nothing but an enhancer. But people rely on it for 50% or more of their gains. To make matters worse this sissy little Xbitch likes to show up on the ana board dispensing advice... HELLO? He ain't learned how to use it properly yet.

AAS does not make up for sorry training or a piss poor diet. When you hear of pro BB'rs hiring people to take them to the next level... who do you hear of them hiring? Chad, Milos, or Aceto - fucking dieticians... Charles Glass - a trainer.... how many times have you ever heard of a BB jumping up in show placings because he hired So-and-So - a drug guru?
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Very well said.
 
satchboogie said:
i got one thing to say about calves..

JUMP ROPE!

my calves are massive and thats the only exercise i do for em.
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I believe that would be genetics. That's like me telling guys that if they want 16" calves, just stop training them because mine were 16" untrained. I baby my calves. Hit them with 1-2 sets twice a week (everything else gets more sets, 3 times a week) and are 18 1/2" now. If only my toothpick arms responded the same I'd be doing great.

::waits for satch to say, its easy, all I do for arms is jump rope and inject synthol and they are 19.25"::
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


I believe that would be genetics. That's like me telling guys that if they want 16" calves, just stop training them because mine were 16" untrained. I baby my calves. Hit them with 1-2 sets twice a week (everything else gets more sets, 3 times a week) and are 18 1/2" now. If only my toothpick arms responded the same I'd be doing great.

::waits for satch to say, its easy, all I do for arms is jump rope and inject synthol and they are 19.25"::
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Obviously your genetics determine the best way to train everything. If one body part is not responding to what everything else is it does not mean that you are genetically cursed. You just need to finds something else.
 
Tiervexx said:


Obviously your genetics determine the best way to train everything. If one body part is not responding to what everything else is it does not mean that you are genetically cursed. You just need to finds something else.
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Tiervexx, what I mean is it would be nice if I could do one set for my arms, two times a week, without even pushing them hard during that set, it would be wonderful. Clearly my calves grow easier than my arms. I'm making progress right now on my arms though, its just I have to push them harder than any other body part to keep them on par with my calves, which I barely train.
 
BodybuildingUniverse said:
True. I'm just talking about work ethic and the so-called easy way out. I dont think anyone with seemingly untrained legs like this would benefit much from AS usage because they won't put in the gut-busting work required - PERIOD.

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I agree, pay your dues first. I was natural for 12 years...enough said!

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BodyByFinaplix said:


Tiervexx, what I mean is it would be nice if I could do one set for my arms, two times a week, without even pushing them hard during that set, it would be wonderful. Clearly my calves grow easier than my arms. I'm making progress right now on my arms though, its just I have to push them harder than any other body part to keep them on par with my calves, which I barely train.
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Oh. I misinterpreted your post.

I am in the same boat. If everything grew as easily as my calves I would have set the record for the youngest pro strongman or something by now.
 
"190 lbs at 5'9". I lifted hard for 12 years before touching any gear. The most I've ever weighed was a bloated 198 lbs (with a 405 bench and 515 squat)." BULLSHIT on those numbers. Fuckin bullshit. Even the biggest dudes in the gym (i've lived all over the United States) don't do 405.

AAP- Yep, that guy looks like he trains. I got a kid I train in thai boxing that is about 5'7 140 lbs that would probably hand you your ass in about 5 seconds.

Big muscles are usually just that- for show, no athletic ability whatsoever. In fact, most the big bodybuilders that come in to train muay thai can't even skip rope for 30 seconds without giving up.

In my gym YOU would be the pussy, and you would be looked down upon.

Make sense, toughguy?
 
Ok, this is pissing me off.....
the ones who have said that genetics play a small role or arent really a factor are full of shit. How many black guys have do you know/have seen that are massive and absolutely ripped? Some of these guys have never touched a weight in their lives. I worked out at a mostly black gym for 3 months and alot of the bigger guys had no sense of form and the guys i talked to knew nothign about strict diets... yet most of them looked better than 95% of white guys who train.
now compare that to lets say....an asian guy who busts his ass at the gym, eats properly and does everything he can to grow.
lets be honest, there are many different backgrounds and genetics that come along with those....to say that genetics are not a big factor is absolute bullshit. Do you really think a guy who's italian and a guy who's from india are gonna make the same progress if they both did everything correct to its optimum level? how many massive asian (chinese, japanese, korean) guys do you know?..might have seen one or two, but theres not many.

Yes, genetics can be overcome to an extent but it makes things alot more difficult and lengthens the process considerably, and to say it doesnt heavily factor is just ignorant.
 
rodneyabs said:

AAP- Yep, that guy looks like he trains. I got a kid I train in thai boxing that is about 5'7 140 lbs that would probably hand you your ass in about 5 seconds.

Big muscles are usually just that- for show, no athletic ability whatsoever. In fact, most the big bodybuilders that come in to train muay thai can't even skip rope for 30 seconds without giving up.

In my gym YOU would be the pussy, and you would be looked down upon.

Make sense, toughguy?
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Your making a very foolish assumption. Many big body builders don't give a shit about speed or shape but some do. The wrestling coach at my school is very well muscled and is a judo instructor. I know that you and the people you train could make short work of many of the slow block heads out there regardless of size, but if you ever met a serious weightlifter in comparable shape you would learn the meaning of the word helplessness.
 
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