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the seious body fat shredder cycle?

showmeyourtints

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Ok, so im 5'11", 223lbs, and 25.9% body fat. Ive been taking 4iu jintropin a day for last 25 or so days, two in morning and two at night. I just recently started this cycle: im continuing my growth of 4 i.u. a day,front loading boldenone(e.q.) at 600 mg for first three weeks, 400mg for remainder of 10 week cycle, trenbolone 1cc every other day(until i run out, prolly6-8weeks), clen and cytomel on a pyramid cycle for 40 days. Can anyone tell me what i should expect, whether or not this cycle is worthwhile, and if anything should be continued longer or cut shorter. I plan to acquire more growth, at least two kits...
 
Dude, I don't know where to start. You shouldn't have done the cycle yet. 25.9% bf is astronmical and you should have gotten down to mid-teens bf at the very least. :Chef: :tuc:
 
You are aware that none of what your doing could be considered "cutting" and such if your not spot on with the diet.
 
showmeyourtints said:
Ok, so im 5'11", 223lbs, and 25.9% body fat. Ive been taking 4iu jintropin a day for last 25 or so days, two in morning and two at night. I just recently started this cycle: im continuing my growth of 4 i.u. a day,front loading boldenone(e.q.) at 600 mg for first three weeks, 400mg for remainder of 10 week cycle, trenbolone 1cc every other day(until i run out, prolly6-8weeks), clen and cytomel on a pyramid cycle for 40 days. Can anyone tell me what i should expect, whether or not this cycle is worthwhile, and if anything should be continued longer or cut shorter. I plan to acquire more growth, at least two kits...

have you dont cycles in the past? the only seriouse body fat shredder is diet/cardio...how is your diet?
 
showmeyourtints said:
Ok, so im 5'11", 223lbs, and 25.9% body fat. Ive been taking 4iu jintropin a day for last 25 or so days, two in morning and two at night. I just recently started this cycle: im continuing my growth of 4 i.u. a day,front loading boldenone(e.q.) at 600 mg for first three weeks, 400mg for remainder of 10 week cycle, trenbolone 1cc every other day(until i run out, prolly6-8weeks), clen and cytomel on a pyramid cycle for 40 days. Can anyone tell me what i should expect, whether or not this cycle is worthwhile, and if anything should be continued longer or cut shorter. I plan to acquire more growth, at least two kits...

lol...where's Term on this post??? this isn't your alter and you're just fucking with me is it???
:worried: :verygood:
VW
 
well i appreciate everyone calling me a fat ass in more or less words, but i have started this cycle and ill let all you doubters know what my final body fat measurement is in about two months....and speak english vw, i have no idea what your talking about...
 
and diet and cardio are:1500 or so calories a day, mainly protein, and cardio twice a day, in morning b-4 eating for 45 mins, and after weight training at night for 30-45 mins
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyone calling me a fat ass in more or less words, but i have started this cycle and ill let all you doubters know what my final body fat measurement is in about two months....and speak english vw, i have no idea what your talking about...

bro, no one called you a fat ass....we are just saying that before you started you should have gotten your BF down...being on a cycle isnt going to ensure your going to loose body fat...you have to have the diet down on point..and i mean on point....and your cardio.....so tell us..what does your diet consist of...
 
showmeyourtints said:
and diet and cardio are:1500 or so calories a day, mainly protein, and cardio twice a day, in morning b-4 eating for 45 mins, and after weight training at night for 30-45 mins
That sounds okay. You would have been a lot happier with the results if you waited though. :Chef: :tuc:
 
showmeyourtints said:
and diet and cardio are:1500 or so calories a day, mainly protein, and cardio twice a day, in morning b-4 eating for 45 mins, and after weight training at night for 30-45 mins

1500 calls a day...and you weigh 223? damn man i know your starvin...so show us a typical day...
 
chefbone said:
That sounds okay. You would have been a lot happier with the results if you waited though. :Chef: :tuc:
Not to mention he would yield the best results for the $$$$ he is spending wich I am sure is not cheap.Always try to go the natural route for a while before turning to the chemicals bro.Its a win win situation if your patient.
 
protein shake in morning or isopure, doublemeat sandwich(no cheese/mayo) for lunch and some fruit, salad with chicken breast x2 for dinner, fat free low calorie dressing on salad, and p.s., my bodyfat was measured in a bodypod, not by calipers...everyone in my gym says that the machine is at least 5-7% off, i.e. their caliper measurements were always less. im not making excuses though, im just ready to see some abs and some friggin veins!!!
 
BigGunsInc. said:
cardio+diet=abs and veins.....NOT ASS

I dont know bro..ASS gives me a good workout..and makes my veins in my abs pop out..especially if im hitting the ASS hard...lol..sorry couldnt resist.
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyone calling me a fat ass in more or less words, but i have started this cycle and ill let all you doubters know what my final body fat measurement is in about two months....and speak english vw, i have no idea what your talking about...

in plain english i think you need to drop the AAS, and figure out how to diet and cardio properly first because you do not know how to do those properly. without proper diet and cardio and training, the drugs may help you drop a few lbs... but what then? more drugs? i don't even know why i posted this because i know you won't take that advice.... i know why you posted here: to hear people say "way to go!" and "you're on the right track".... so if thats what you want to hear then i agree, i say stop wasting money on food and a gym membership, save up for more gear!
VW
 
swordfish151 said:
I dont know bro..ASS gives me a good workout..and makes my veins in my abs pop out..especially if im hitting the ASS hard...lol..sorry couldnt resist.



LOL. gotta admit hitting the ASS sure does help!!! That is too funny. I know you know where i am going with that.. :)

BGI
 
well i appreciate everyones advice, and i understand the argument to go natural...but why?why not use chemicals for what their designed for?i dont know about you, but when i was in school and had a test i didnt study for, i cheated my ass off...so now, i cheat in my ass...sorry, that wasnt very punny
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyones advice, and i understand the argument to go natural...but why?why not use chemicals for what their designed for?i dont know about you, but when i was in school and had a test i didnt study for, i cheated my ass off...so now, i cheat in my ass...sorry, that wasnt very punny

you're 100% correct here... if you're gonna cheat why not cheat all the way? I say double all of the doses in your first post... or fuck... why not triple them??? that way you'll get the same results in a third of the time with less effort!
:rolleyes:
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyones advice, and i understand the argument to go natural...but why?why not use chemicals for what their designed for?i dont know about you, but when i was in school and had a test i didnt study for, i cheated my ass off...so now, i cheat in my ass...sorry, that wasnt very punny

this isnt a test in high school my friend..its your body and well you can do some seriouse shit to it if YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING.....the problem is that Steriods isnt as simple as 1+1=2 its alot more complex then that...you have to have alot of key components down like diet/training/rest...
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyones advice, and i understand the argument to go natural...but why?why not use chemicals for what their designed for?i dont know about you, but when i was in school and had a test i didnt study for, i cheated my ass off...so now, i cheat in my ass...sorry, that wasnt very punny

1. it's already been said....but without proper diet and training all the drugs in the world will not help you...

2. you started without a decent base... it will take you more and more gear to get to where you want to be ie. abs and veins

3. those large amounts of gear are not good for your health

4. the consequences of AAS catching up with you are a lot worse than getting caught cheating at school

5. if you haven't done your research into diet and training, i can guarantee you haven't researched the drugs you are putting into your body which are very dangerous

there are many more reasons i could list here but you won't take the advice so why bother...just refer to my last point above this one. how old are you by the way... judging by the quality of your posts i'm assuming 16-18? in that case i'm glad you've loaded up on the GH!
 
wilder, you dont have to be a dick...im 27, and i always research what i do before i do it...ive done a few cycles before, that left me big and puffy, so now i want to be a little leaner..im sorry that not all of us were blessed with your awesomw fat shredding metabolism or your natural ability to get the gains that aas gives you without having to do anything illegal. god bless you and good luck in your natural bodybuilding competitions
 
showmeyourtints said:
wilder, you dont have to be a dick...im 27, and i always research what i do before i do it...ive done a few cycles before, that left me big and puffy, so now i want to be a little leaner..im sorry that not all of us were blessed with your awesomw fat shredding metabolism or your natural ability to get the gains that aas gives you without having to do anything illegal. god bless you and good luck in your natural bodybuilding competitions

not trying to be a dick... but you post asking for help... and then tell us you're not willing to do anywork because it's a lot wasier to cheat... what type of response did you think that would garner?

you've done cycles before and you're only 223 at 26%BF??? tells me you're not doing something right. spend some time on the diet and training boards.

hahahahaha...and that's my whole point! i am by no means genetically gifted! i started out as the skinniest fat kid ever.. but have managed to change my genetically challenged physique into an acecptable one through the following:

1. Time
2. Hard work
3. Research
4. Hard work

So I'm trying to give you the advice you asked for without pussy footing around... saying it any other way and you wouldn't have even looked at any of my posts.
Besides, I'm not sure if you were trying to insult me there but you did a horrible job at it.. I'm proud of what I have acheived naturally and i'm pretty sure it's a lot more than you've acheived without spending all that money on gear.
 
25% bf?

your caloric intake is way off. not sure what your eating but the #'s are straight garbage. post the complete diet for some help.

not going to comment on the cycle, do what you want. with your starting numbers the end result will not be what you think, should've started in much better shape.

post the diet.
 
It takes real effort to get over 20% bodyfat. You must be eating everything that isn't nailed down.
 
one thing that isnt being considered here, is who tested his bodyfat. At my gym I've seen guys 5'9", maybe 170lbs with a flat stomach, being tested at over 20%
 
van_wilder said:
not trying to be a dick... but you post asking for help... and then tell us you're not willing to do anywork because it's a lot wasier to cheat... what type of response did you think that would garner?

you've done cycles before and you're only 223 at 26%BF??? tells me you're not doing something right. spend some time on the diet and training boards.

hahahahaha...and that's my whole point! i am by no means genetically gifted! i started out as the skinniest fat kid ever.. but have managed to change my genetically challenged physique into an acecptable one through the following:

1. Time
2. Hard work
3. Research
4. Hard work

So I'm trying to give you the advice you asked for without pussy footing around... saying it any other way and you wouldn't have even looked at any of my posts.
Besides, I'm not sure if you were trying to insult me there but you did a horrible job at it.. I'm proud of what I have acheived naturally and i'm pretty sure it's a lot more than you've acheived without spending all that money on gear.
wilder, your a living oxymoron...skinniest fat kid?all b.s. aside, i know that it takes hard work and a proper diet, and i do appreciate your responses, eventhough they seem insulting. im doing my best to keep my diet in line, and as far as training, im in every day for at least two hours a day, so i have put in my time....
 
showmeyourtints said:
wilder, your a living oxymoron...skinniest fat kid?all b.s. aside, i know that it takes hard work and a proper diet, and i do appreciate your responses, eventhough they seem insulting. im doing my best to keep my diet in line, and as far as training, im in every day for at least two hours a day, so i have put in my time....

again.. my posts weren't meant to be insulting to you... how is that an oxymoron? I was very small but still had significant bodyfat. and by time i meant years training... not the time you've spent in the gym this week. Anyhow.. this post is out of hand... i'm always available for diet and training help (at least to pass on what has helped me).. other than that good luck. i'm out.
VW
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyones advice, and i understand the argument to go natural...but why?why not use chemicals for what their designed for?i dont know about you, but when i was in school and had a test i didnt study for, i cheated my ass off...so now, i cheat in my ass...sorry, that wasnt very punny


First of all, I cant believe none of these guys arent trying to help you...(with the exception of a good bro NEEDSIZE--good point too)........ Van Wilder--you have not offered this guy one bit of advice except for being a clear pain in the ass.........I've seen you do this same shit in other threads too.....You should try to be a little more helpful.......

Secondly, you cant take CLEN for 40 days straight---It must be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.....Make sure you get your supplements, anti-oxidants-liver protectants--protein shakes--taurine, Glutamine, R-ALA, multi, milk thistle, etc..etc...etc...

Lastly, BODYFAT DOESNT MATTER WHEN TAKING AAS!!!!!!!!!

I PERSONALLY KNOW BODYBUILDING NATIONAL COMPETITORS WHO ARE 65 POUNDS ABOVE THEIR COMPETITION WEIGHT AND ARE RUNNING TONS OF AAS WHILE BEING HUGE, AT LEAST 25% BODYFAT!!!!!!

THIS IS EXTEMELY COMMON AND IS CALLED THE BULKING SEASON-----USUALLY 6-8 MONTHS A YEAR!!!!!!!!


BODYFAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; However---IF HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO DIET/TRAIN/ETC.....THEN THAT IS DIFFERENT>....



I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW THIS CYCLE GOES-------Personally, I think you should lighten the AAS a little especially with already running HGH, CLEN, T3--Your really only need one AAS compound to go with that --- Like Test E.........

Make sure to get your PCT on point too.........




Thats it.....Just wanted to set you straight without all of the bull shit..........

Feel free to shoot me a PM or anything for any questions..........
 
showmeyourtints said:
protein shake in morning or isopure, doublemeat sandwich(no cheese/mayo) for lunch and some fruit, salad with chicken breast x2 for dinner, fat free low calorie dressing on salad, and p.s., my bodyfat was measured in a bodypod, not by calipers...everyone in my gym says that the machine is at least 5-7% off, i.e. their caliper measurements were always less. im not making excuses though, im just ready to see some abs and some friggin veins!!!

If you are serious about shredding fat you should drop as much carbs from your diet as possible. Also are taking some healthy fats with every meal? ie Flax seed/ANB/Almonds?
 
will b huge said:
First of all, I cant believe none of these guys arent trying to help you...(with the exception of a good bro NEEDSIZE--good point too)........ Van Wilder--you have not offered this guy one bit of advice except for being a clear pain in the ass.........I've seen you do this same shit in other threads too.....You should try to be a little more helpful.......

Secondly, you cant take CLEN for 40 days straight---It must be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.....Make sure you get your supplements, anti-oxidants-liver protectants--protein shakes--taurine, Glutamine, R-ALA, multi, milk thistle, etc..etc...etc...

Lastly, BODYFAT DOESNT MATTER WHEN TAKING AAS!!!!!!!!!

I PERSONALLY KNOW BODYBUILDING NATIONAL COMPETITORS WHO ARE 65 POUNDS ABOVE THEIR COMPETITION WEIGHT AND ARE RUNNING TONS OF AAS WHILE BEING HUGE, AT LEAST 25% BODYFAT!!!!!!

THIS IS EXTEMELY COMMON AND IS CALLED THE BULKING SEASON-----USUALLY 6-8 MONTHS A YEAR!!!!!!!!


BODYFAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; However---IF HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO DIET/TRAIN/ETC.....THEN THAT IS DIFFERENT>....



I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW THIS CYCLE GOES-------Personally, I think you should lighten the AAS a little especially with already running HGH, CLEN, T3--Your really only need one AAS compound to go with that --- Like Test E.........

Make sure to get your PCT on point too.........




Thats it.....Just wanted to set you straight without all of the bull shit..........

Feel free to shoot me a PM or anything for any questions..........

Let it be clear newbies...he said national competitors, that doesnt mean that because your over 20%+ its ok...he also stated you must KNOW HOW TO TRAIN/DIET.....sorry will b huge..scared me there for a moment.. :)
 
Good post Black......

Yes absolutely---Omega 3's....salmon, flax seed, etc......high protein, lower carb and complex carbs at that too.......

Here let me get you info on CLEN:

This is the updated version found on www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.
 
will b huge said:
First of all, I cant believe none of these guys arent trying to help you...(with the exception of a good bro NEEDSIZE--good point too)........ Van Wilder--you have not offered this guy one bit of advice except for being a clear pain in the ass.........I've seen you do this same shit in other threads too.....You should try to be a little more helpful.......

Secondly, you cant take CLEN for 40 days straight---It must be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.....Make sure you get your supplements, anti-oxidants-liver protectants--protein shakes--taurine, Glutamine, R-ALA, multi, milk thistle, etc..etc...etc...

Lastly, BODYFAT DOESNT MATTER WHEN TAKING AAS!!!!!!!!!

I PERSONALLY KNOW BODYBUILDING NATIONAL COMPETITORS WHO ARE 65 POUNDS ABOVE THEIR COMPETITION WEIGHT AND ARE RUNNING TONS OF AAS WHILE BEING HUGE, AT LEAST 25% BODYFAT!!!!!!

THIS IS EXTEMELY COMMON AND IS CALLED THE BULKING SEASON-----USUALLY 6-8 MONTHS A YEAR!!!!!!!!


BODYFAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; However---IF HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO DIET/TRAIN/ETC.....THEN THAT IS DIFFERENT>....



I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW THIS CYCLE GOES-------Personally, I think you should lighten the AAS a little especially with already running HGH, CLEN, T3--Your really only need one AAS compound to go with that --- Like Test E.........

Make sure to get your PCT on point too.........




Thats it.....Just wanted to set you straight without all of the bull shit..........

Feel free to shoot me a PM or anything for any questions..........


Well said, I am glad you said that cause its just what im thinking. Who came up with this bodyfat steroid rule.
 
Borg4902 said:
Well said, I am glad you said that cause its just what im thinking. Who came up with this bodyfat steroid rule.

yeah..but like he said though..you must know how to diet and train..alot of newbies on here will be over 20% and wont know squat...hence just get fat..do you agree?
 
Yea I agree with that, but some people could give a shit how much fat they gain and even welcome it. Especially in sports. They know how to lift and eat for their goals. Just sick of the bf laws was all. Didnt mean to strike out if I did.
 
Borg4902 said:
Yea I agree with that, but some people could give a shit how much fat they gain and even welcome it. Especially in sports. They know how to lift and eat for their goals. Just sick of the bf laws was all. Didnt mean to strike out if I did.

yeah i understand bro, but how many pro athletes you think are on here...
 
will b huge said:
First of all, I cant believe none of these guys arent trying to help you...(with the exception of a good bro NEEDSIZE--good point too)........ Van Wilder--you have not offered this guy one bit of advice except for being a clear pain in the ass.........I've seen you do this same shit in other threads too.....You should try to be a little more helpful.......

Secondly, you cant take CLEN for 40 days straight---It must be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.....Make sure you get your supplements, anti-oxidants-liver protectants--protein shakes--taurine, Glutamine, R-ALA, multi, milk thistle, etc..etc...etc...

Lastly, BODYFAT DOESNT MATTER WHEN TAKING AAS!!!!!!!!!

I PERSONALLY KNOW BODYBUILDING NATIONAL COMPETITORS WHO ARE 65 POUNDS ABOVE THEIR COMPETITION WEIGHT AND ARE RUNNING TONS OF AAS WHILE BEING HUGE, AT LEAST 25% BODYFAT!!!!!!

THIS IS EXTEMELY COMMON AND IS CALLED THE BULKING SEASON-----USUALLY 6-8 MONTHS A YEAR!!!!!!!!


BODYFAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; However---IF HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO DIET/TRAIN/ETC.....THEN THAT IS DIFFERENT>....



I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW THIS CYCLE GOES-------Personally, I think you should lighten the AAS a little especially with already running HGH, CLEN, T3--Your really only need one AAS compound to go with that --- Like Test E.........

Make sure to get your PCT on point too.........




Thats it.....Just wanted to set you straight without all of the bull shit..........

Feel free to shoot me a PM or anything for any questions..........

You are right, almost. BF% doesn't mean shit to a PRO in the off-season. But it does mean something to a guy that just lifts. :Chef: :tuc:
 
will b huge said:
First of all, I cant believe none of these guys arent trying to help you...(with the exception of a good bro NEEDSIZE--good point too)........ Van Wilder--you have not offered this guy one bit of advice except for being a clear pain in the ass.........I've seen you do this same shit in other threads too.....You should try to be a little more helpful.......

I've offered help numerous times to people on threads and via PM... and yes i'm being a pain in the ass on this thread for a reason... too many people on here jumping on gear on this board without being ready for it. You're right though..i'll keep my mouth shut from now on about it.
 
my diet varies, but mainly consists of:morning protein shake after cardio, lunch(either a sandwich on reg. bread with double meat/no condiments or rotisserie chicken with skin peeled off, and fruit like kiwi, strawberries, and pineapple, then dinner time a protein shake after weight training, and then a salad with 2 chicken breasts,low fat/no fat dressing(light) or a steak with a plain baked potato...the protein shakes are ultramet regulars
 
chefbone said:
You are right, almost. BF% doesn't mean shit to a PRO in the off-season. But it does mean something to a guy that just lifts. :Chef: :tuc:


DONT HAVE TO BE A PRO---LOL

Anyone who is trying to gain lots of muscle....(anyone doing a bulker)----

Half of the guys I know get fat every offseason while pounding the weights (called a bulker) and then diet down hard for 12 weeks or so and BOOM!!!! THEY HAVE A HUGE NEW LAYER OF MUSCLE ADDED ON TO THEM-----that they could NOT have achieved without getting fat.........

Let me find a post for you real quick........Ah, here ya go...here's one from RADAR (elite MOD here)---also 49 years old in this pic...

"at 19 i weighed 115 pounds, i reached my heaviest 280 after i turned 50.

Heres some important info.What is the most anabolic substance known to man? If you said food then you are 100 percent correct. It is absolutely impossible to put muscle on without enough nutrients to support the process. You can train day after day, month after month, and still see absolutely nothing new in the mirror if you are not eating enough.

Taking this into consideration, it would stand to reason that the more food you consume, the higher an anabolic response your body will have after a brutal workout. So if you were looking for a muscle building magic bullet then you have no further to look than your refrigerator! Go stand in your kitchen for a minute. Look around, you are completely surrounded by the most anabolic substance in the world! You can almost feel its power as if the cabinets were about to explode. For if you consume the correct amount of macronutrients you will undoubtedly experience a surge of muscle growth that you never imagined possible!

Everything I have ever done has been to the extreme. Whether at work or play I have always attempted to break barriers. I believe that this is the mentality a bodybuilder must have if he/she is to succeed! Therefore, you can imagine what transpired when I first discovered the anabolic power of food. I stuffed myself with it!

Make no mistake about it, you will never become huge on 2,500 calories a day! No matter what any sell out magazine tells you. I know that allot of you are thinking, " what about my abs? I don't want to lose sight of them." Have you ever seen pro bodybuilders in the off season? They are tanks! Lee Priest competes at 225 and has gotten up to 300 pounds in the off season. While I am not going to ask you to go to these extremes, you must sacrifice by gaining a small amount of fat if you ever hope to add serious muscle mass. Guess what? When you diet the fat off after a bulk, your abs will still be there, and with them, a whole new layer of lean muscle mass that you can show off at the beach! Remember bodybuilding is a process of building the body up and then chiseling it down again. You must understand that you cannot build anything without the proper materials and that is what "Diet" is all About. Here's what I am going to do, I will post a mass building diet that is meant to build muscle, while keeping fat gain to a minimum. I will accomplish this by sticking with extremely clean eating!
Components :



Protein - I can talk all day long about the importance of protein! But I will sum it up by saying that this macronutrient contains the building blocks of muscle tissue! Without the proper amount of protein you can kiss muscle gains goodbye! I would recommend a minimum of 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight a day from sources such as chicken, fish, turkey, steak, skim milk, egg whites and protein powders. Therefore, if you weigh 200 pounds, you should consume 200 to 300 grams per day. Lastly, I would stay away from foods such as bacon and ribs. All the meat you eat should be lean.

Carbohydrates - Obviously you cannot induce muscle growth without intense workouts. Well, there is no way that you can train at an optimal level without the bodies chief source of fuel. The Carbohydrate. This macronutrient not only fuels us, but it releases one of the body's most anabolic hormones in response to its ingestion. This hormone is called insulin, and it increases the uptake of protein into our muscles tremendously. Carbs also spare protein so that it can be used to build muscle as opposed to being burned as energy (see note). You should consume 2.5 to 3.5 g of carbohydrates a day. That said, a 200 pound man would consume 500 to 700 grams of carbs a day from complex carbohydrates such oatmeal, and wheat bread.

Note: The body has the capability to convert other macros into glucose. Such a process is known as gluconeogenesis. Mr. Knowlden discusses this in The Window Of Opportunity. Here is an excerpt:

Cortisol literally converts muscle tissue to proteins for conversion into glucose. This is your body’s way of producing energy when all readily available energy (glucose) and stored forms (glycogen) of energy have been expended. To compensate for this depletion of energy, your body will go into a process called gluconeogenesis to produce glucose from amino acids in the liver. The end result of this process? Hard earned muscle used as energy, and all potential gains becoming null and void.

Essential Fatty Acids - Fat intake, namely from EFA's, are vital to your progress. Essential Fatty Acids help with countless areas in our bodybuilding lifestyle. For more information on this, refer to, Essential Fatty Acids - An In Depth Analysis.

Calculating Your Calories

I discuss caloric calculation in 13 weeks to burning fat the diet. You can go to the exact section by clicking here. Once there, find the amount of calories it would take to maintain your current bodyweight. Here is what you must understand: even though food is extremely anabolic, a general rule of thumb, is that the higher you raise your caloric intake, the more fat you will store. You can minimize this through clean eating, and slowly raising your calories. For example, say your maintenance is 3, 000 calories per day, you might tack on an additional 250 calories the first week to increase muscular gains. On that low an increase, fat gain will be negligible to non-existent! If weight gain fails, then increase your intake slowly again.

Sample Meal Plan

The following diet is over 4,500 calories, you will of course adjust it to your daily needs as calculated above.

Meal One
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

5 egg whites
60
0
18
0

2 whole eggs
144
0
12
10

1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 medium sized apple
90
23
1
0

Total
594
77
41
16




Meal Two
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

7 oz chicken breast 217 0 45 4
1 cup Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

Total
517 54 55 10



Meal Three
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

6 oz Tuna
186 0 39 3
4 slices wheat. bread 440 104 8 2
Total
626 104 47 5



Meal Four (PW shake)
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
45 Grms Dextrose 180 45 0 0
46 grams of Whey
220 6 46 3
Total
580 96 46
3




Meal Five
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup of Oatmeal 300
54
10
6

1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
2 turkey Burgers 260 2 48 6
Total
710 91 61 13



Meal Six
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
1 Large Sweat Potato 150 35 3 1
Total
408 35 48 10



Meal Seven
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

8 oz fish 258 0 45 9
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
548 6 47 35



Meal Eight
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

1 Cup Cottage Cheese 220 5 45 2
2 or 3:1 ratio N3-N6 EFA'S--2 table spoons 250 0 0 25
Assorted Greens 40 6 2 1
Total
510 11 47 28



Daily Totals
Calories
Carbs
Protein
Fat

Nutrient Grams
4,500
474
392
120


This articles was meant to build a solid foundation. A foundation based on the following fact: " If you want to be one of the Big Boys you've got to eat like the big boys!"



Now its "Time to get big"

RADAR
"
 
i recommend you either educate yourself on proper nutrition or put some of the money you put into cycles into a good nutritionist in your area and get your daily menu prepared. your eating now is not terrible, it's just not good enough. seriously, find a nutritionist if you don't want to do any work.
 
van_wilder said:
lol...where's Term on this post??? this isn't your alter and you're just fucking with me is it???
:worried: :verygood:
VW


I've NEVER posted with any alters here :worried:

But like Dial Tone once said...If you dont have anything nice to say then its best not to say anything...:o

And in this case I better not say anything, as I would just want to roast this guy for his apparent laziness :o
 
The Terminator said:
I've NEVER posted with any alters here :worried:

But like Dial Tone once said...If you dont have anything nice to say then its best not to say anything...:o

And in this case I better not say anything, as I would just want to roast this guy for his apparent laziness :o
:verygood: :evil:
 
showmeyourtints said:
well i appreciate everyone calling me a fat ass in more or less words, but i have started this cycle and ill let all you doubters know what my final body fat measurement is in about two months....and speak english vw, i have no idea what your talking about...

That high of a body fat, taking that cycle.. I'll be surprised if you don't put on more fat... the cardio and diet (if thats what you call what your on) will help.. and if you were running all that without these.. its like saying you want to lose weight by eating McDonald's salads everyday with regular salad dressing.. i don't think your gonna be as happy as you think with your results.. not dissing on you, just know from experience.. I used to be around that body fat two years ago when I began saucin :rolleyes: .. finally i got off and improved my diet and cardio and got my body fat down to lower teens.. Now I know I'm ready to go again :evil: ..
 
van_wilder said:
in plain english i think you need to drop the AAS, and figure out how to diet and cardio properly first because you do not know how to do those properly. without proper diet and cardio and training, the drugs may help you drop a few lbs... but what then? more drugs? i don't even know why i posted this because i know you won't take that advice.... i know why you posted here: to hear people say "way to go!" and "you're on the right track".... so if thats what you want to hear then i agree, i say stop wasting money on food and a gym membership, save up for more gear!
VW
Nail on the head...lost cause though
 
just take thermo and drink milk all day for 2 months (plus the occassional salad or steak). You'll drop tons of weight trust me.
 
you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes
 
showmeyourtints said:
you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes



You know what bro, to some extent you are Right and I agree with you....PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD --- where I posted like the 10th one down (my longer post)!!!!!


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414433


You are honestly correct and personally think you shouldn't have been treated like that and thats why I posted this thread.....I dont care who flames me or what.....
 
swordfish151 said:
1500 calls a day...and you weigh 223? damn man i know your starvin...so show us a typical day...

LOL! I agree! I'm around 240 now and I can't handle it when I only eat about 2500 cals. I have to have at least 3K. :p
 
van_wilder said:
you're 100% correct here... if you're gonna cheat why not cheat all the way? I say double all of the doses in your first post... or fuck... why not triple them??? that way you'll get the same results in a third of the time with less effort!
:rolleyes:

A few things..

1.) High School in America is not difficult so there is no reason to cheat unless you are stupid or lazy.

2.) If you approach AAS with the attitude you have now you are going to either hurt yourself or waste money which is probably what will happen mostly.

3.) If you come here for advice take it. Don't argue with proven methods and facts about diet. These bros on here are educated and well experienced so listen to them.

Sorry about going off guys! :chomp:
 
you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes

I'm in the same boat as you pretty much. I trained hard for aobut 3 years, got good results, then slacked off for about a year and a half. I did alot of traveling and partying and pretty much didn't even glance at a weight. I haven't juiced in 4 years and i did about a months worth of research before I decided on what I wanted to do, diet, gear, training etc. I've been back at the gym for the last few months got on a Gh at 3IU's/day sust 500mg/week, winstrol 50mg's/day and soon t3's for about 5 weeks. My diet is 11 x bodyweight = calories/day all carbs are complex, high protein, fat intake is all from salmon, omega3,6,9 pills, olive oil (cookin). I do cardio at 5x a week AM empty stomach. Weight training 6 x a week, high reps, medium weights. I'm on my 3rd month of training/dieting and on my first month of gear and my progress is crazy. If you have the dedication to your diet and training, the gear will just add on to it 10 fold.

Don't even listen to the bullshit posts, there are people out there that weigh in a buck thirty wet and would murder for twenty pounds. Train hard, eat right, and do proper research before you start any gear and you'll be happy with your results...


....and read posts from guys like will b huge, ulter, mods cuz they're the ones who actually give u good info and answers to questions you have.
 
will b huge said:
Good post Black......

Yes absolutely---Omega 3's....salmon, flax seed, etc......high protein, lower carb and complex carbs at that too.......

Here let me get you info on CLEN:

This is the updated version found on www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.


Awesome post will b huge, do you have any info on a clen/t3 cycle?
 
showmeyourtints said:
protein shake in morning or isopure, doublemeat sandwich(no cheese/mayo) for lunch and some fruit, salad with chicken breast x2 for dinner, fat free low calorie dressing on salad, and p.s., my bodyfat was measured in a bodypod, not by calipers...everyone in my gym says that the machine is at least 5-7% off, i.e. their caliper measurements were always less. im not making excuses though, im just ready to see some abs and some friggin veins!!!


Well everything that was said to youis accurate about diet and cardio it has to be dead bang on or pretty close for you to effective in your wanting to cut. As for the abs, until your at LEAST 10% bf they will not appear. Just my $0.02, but if I were you I would cut out the bread all together and have very little fruit if possible, if you have some berries would be best.

As for the salad you should eat something with a little more benefitial like egg whites, 1 cup brown or basmati rice, broccoli tuna or salmon, cottage cheese, the no fat stuff and also cut your carbs off at 4p.m.. I realize this probably seems a little extreme but it works and your going to find it pretty damn bland so don't give up just keep on going and watch your body change don't rely on the scale, the mirror will tell you what is really going on. So keep up what you are eating except for the changes I've mentioned and you should be fine.

Good Luck Bro!
 
brahma_bull said:
Awesome post will b huge, do you have any info on a clen/t3 cycle?


Of course, clen is same as stated above.....

T3 (cytomel) .....some recommend that you dont have to ramp up only slowly ramp down and off....

I recommend---25mcg ED for 5 days or so----50 mcg ED for 5 days or so----62.5 mcg ED for 2-3 weeks----then VERY IMPORTANT---50mcg---for 5-6 days--------37.5 mcg for 5-6 days--------25 mcg for 5-6 days-----12.5 mcg for 5-6 days----OFF

This is considered rather safe and a little on the mild side.........but very effective and MANDATORY TO SLOWLY WEEN OFF OF T3 to NOT SHUT DOWN YOUR NORMAL THYROID PRODUCTION.......

Thats it bro....hope my opinion helps...
 
GUESS said:
Well everything that was said to youis accurate about diet and cardio it has to be dead bang on or pretty close for you to effective in your wanting to cut. As for the abs, until your at LEAST 10% bf they will not appear. Just my $0.02, but if I were you I would cut out the bread all together and have very little fruit if possible, if you have some berries would be best.

As for the salad you should eat something with a little more benefitial like egg whites, 1 cup brown or basmati rice, broccoli tuna or salmon, cottage cheese, the no fat stuff and also cut your carbs off at 4p.m.. I realize this probably seems a little extreme but it works and your going to find it pretty damn bland so don't give up just keep on going and watch your body change don't rely on the scale, the mirror will tell you what is really going on. So keep up what you are eating except for the changes I've mentioned and you should be fine.

Good Luck Bro!
hey man i really appreciate the advice...i will definitely start implementing these changes...thanks again
 
showmeyourtints said:
Ok, so im 5'11", 223lbs, and 25.9% body fat. Ive been taking 4iu jintropin a day for last 25 or so days, two in morning and two at night. I just recently started this cycle: im continuing my growth of 4 i.u. a day,front loading boldenone(e.q.) at 600 mg for first three weeks, 400mg for remainder of 10 week cycle, trenbolone 1cc every other day(until i run out, prolly6-8weeks), clen and cytomel on a pyramid cycle for 40 days. Can anyone tell me what i should expect, whether or not this cycle is worthwhile, and if anything should be continued longer or cut shorter. I plan to acquire more growth, at least two kits...


You are trying to run when you dont even know how to walk yet...:o
Please slow down and take it one step at a time...:)

If you have done a couple of cycles (as you said) and are STILL at 26% bf then something is OBVIOUSLY 'OFF' on your diet and I think THAT should be addressed before thinking of using drugs to fix the problem...

You basically have a gaping flesh wound and are trying to fix it with a band aid :o
 
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