The Reason For Not Making Gains on Tren/Prop??

[Catch Wrestler]

I am an advanced steroid user(having used them for about 15 years now),but have never used trenbolone before until now.I started off my cycle using 200mg of anadrol/day,1750mg/week sust.,plus 600mg/week of deca.To be honest with you,I pretty much think that the gear I had was fake or conterfeit,as I didn't gain much size or strength.I used the sust for 14 days and the abombs for eight days.Then I switched to using dbol at 80mg/dayfrom day nine,along with 75mg/day of tren acetate plus 100mg/day of prop.Also,on day 19 I started using 600mg/week of eq.Now I'm pretty sure that the tren/prop and eq is genuine,so that's not really an issue.The thing is,I've been using tren/prop for 21 days,and I've only had a slight reduction in bf but not much gains in strength(certainly not like i've heard).Because I've been using steroids for quite some time(although there have been periods where I haven't used anything),I usually need at least a gram of test/week to get good gains,but when I started using the tren/prop,I was only using 700mg/week of prop,and 525mg/week of tren.Now even though the amount of prop is quite low(for me),I'm wondering if this is the reason why I haven't made the sort of gains I've heard of regarding gains on tren(particularly strength gains),or do you think that the amount of prop used doesn't matter because of the fact that I've used 75mg/day of tren.Also,do you think I'd be better off ending this cycle early,and waiting till after pct to try it again,but with a higher amount of prop on the next cycle??
Any help is appreciated.

 

[BOOEY]

Little confused ... you think your previous cycle was bunk? Did you order your tren/prop from the same source then? Any sides?

 

[Catch Wrestler]

It is all part of the same cycle.The sust and anadrol I got was from a different place to where I got the tren/prop and eq from.
Also forgot to mention that I know that I've only been on for about 30 days(or 21 days if you just include the time of starting the tren/prop,eq),which I know isn't long,but I would have thought that things would have started happeneing by now.The strange thing is,in the second week,my strength went up by about 110lbs on barbell shrugs,and then the following week,I really struggled with the same weight.Also,I put over thirty pounds on chins(extra weight)and was really strong,and then the following week the same thing happened - struggled with just an extra fifteen pounds.
I'm pretty sure the tren/prop and eq is genuine,'cos since using the tren,I've been very tired everyday,needing to have a sleep every afternoon,but today,I haven't used any tren,and I haven't needed to sleep this afternoonand I don't feel tired at all!!!!

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Tren and prop is the bomb man, you should be thru the roof on strength...tren is a wierd compound as you can use to cut or bulk, just adjust your diet and then hold on...it's the compound that literaly changes your body...I say you should already be seeing results. Even at tren 75mg/prop 100mg EOD

 

[AMGETR]

IF you've been using gear for 15 years, how can you not have a source that you can trust? As well, you should know by now how your body works, and if the gear was fake or not.

My two cents.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

First of all,I do have a source that I can trust(now).And I do know how my body works.I'm not trying to find out how it works,but if the prop is too low a dose for me personally to make gains,and if this is the reason the tren isn't giving me the freakish strength gains that I'm expecting!!

 

[PantherG45]

Are you over your natural genetic limitations for size and strength? When was your last cycle?

 

[Catch Wrestler]

My last cycle was about three months ago.

 

[trenfan2]

at three weeks into your tren at 75mg/d, with or w/o the prop I would think you should be seeing some nice strength gains. I can think of a few things to check. first is protein intake, in my experience I need tons to make gains with tren, however strength always comes on quickly. The second would be to check your routine, all the gear in the world won't help without a routine that works for "your" body.(well, I take that back, all the gear in the world may help a bit).
And lastly, If diet and routine are solid and still nada, then you may not have what you think you do, or it may not be the strength you think it is.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Thanks for the replies bro's.Anybody else got any ideas of what could be up??What could be the reason for the strength gains one week and then strength dropping the week after?? Surely with tren,the strength should be increasing each week til it reaches the maximum??

 

[Catch Wrestler]

BTW,another reason I know that the tren is real,is because I have a big lump under my nipple,and it is quite painful.Yes I know about using dostinex with tren,but that's another story!!

 

[Catch Wrestler]

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[PantherG45]

asked if you were over your natural genetic limitations because that could be a reason why you aren't seeing the results you want, you are used to a lot of mgs of gear during a cycle, especially test, if you are too far over your natural limitations it becomes very hard to gain, even with gear. But I am guessing that due to your lack of response to that question that that is not the case because with 15 years gear experience if you were extremely huge you would have realized this, plus without being on cycle for 3 months you would have lost enough to gain again. This is not meant to be deroggatory by any means, just curious bro.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Thanks for the response Panther.Not derogatory at all bro.I didn't answer this question specifically as i'm not sure.When I started training at 16 I weighed barely 140lbs and I have gone up to 240lbs at about 13-14% BF(now I'm weighing 225 and about 12%).I was always very skinny when I was growing up,so you could say that I've put on an appreciable amount of muscle(without a doubt).I am certainly much bigger than what I used to be,and one of the biggest guys around here(where I live).I hope that it's not a case of being too far over my natural limits though.

 

[Snarling Force]

Is your tren homebrew or UG lab? I just got done my cycle, where for the first 7 weeks I shot 75mg EOD and to be honest, I didn't get much strength gains like I was expecting. I did more vascular and leaner though. Maybe 75mg EOD was too little, maybe ED would have been better. But I really wasn't that impressed and it was my first experience with tren like yourself. Good luck bro!

 

[PantherG45]

Catch, I think my limit is around 225 natural,where i am at presently, I rarely go under that unless cutting and its been a while since my last cycle, I like to be around 250 or a little less when I am on. I love mass, as long as I am around 10-12% and huge I am happy. Anyways, how tall are you? I am 6'

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Snarling Force,thanks for sharing that with me,good to know I'm not the only one who didn't get much from tren.BTW,it is UG lab.

Panther,I'm 5'8".

I still don't know if the reason why I didn't get good results from my tren use is because my test dosage was too low??If I use it again(tren/prop),am I more likely to get the sort of gains I've heard about if I make sure that my test dosage is over a gram(bearing in mind that a gram of test isn't that huge an amount for me,and that I usually use quite a bit more than a gram)??
Thanks guys.
Also,does tren enanthate make you as tired as acetate does??

 

[Catch Wrestler]

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[PantherG45]

I would think that tren would either make you noticeable stronger by now at least a little either way, if you know your tren is legit I would try it again with your normal levels of test you use. Can't explain the increase in strength for one week and not the next. I have had huge differences in strength for bbell shrugs week to week myself. As for the tiredness, I wouldn't know, tren A didn't make me tired, and I haven't used tren E yet. I have noticed very little sides with tren use. 75mgs of tren/d should have been enough if you have never used it before.

 

[Catch Wrestler]

Ok,
Thanks for the info. panther.Much appreciated!!

 

[BOOEY]

Maybe the gear is underdosed

 

[Catch Wrestler]

I've been thinking that that maybe the case Booey.I'll soon know with my next cycle though,as I'll be using more tren plus the right amount of test,so if I do see the gains that I'm expecting,then I'll know whether it is or not!!
Thanks.

 

[ViperHMS]

With tren I have never experianced tiredness. Actually quite the opposite and depending on the length that I use it, I can get bouts insomnia.

You have not said much about your diet, but I would just try and squeeze in some more protein every day and see if that helps you out. I'm sure you are getting good amount of protein now, but for say a week or so try to get in an extra 50-100 grams, hell it wouldn't hurt.

How often are you working out? How many times a week do you hit each body part? Maybe you could throw a wrench in your workout for a week or two and shock the hell out of it and then get back to your current routine.

Tren for me personally has been a kick ass ride. I've never had better strength gains while on it. I love tren, but right now I'm taking a break from it for a few months.