The pros and cons of never coming "off"

[c3bodybuilding]

I've been 'on' for about 2 years now. I had low test levels, and the doc sent me to an endo. He prescribed me test, 200mgs weekly. My new insurance plan no longer covers the test, but I do get a HUGE (LOL) 10% discount. Needless to say, I buy it at other venues now. But if I was never prescribed this in the first place, I wouldn't have stayed on like this at all. Anyone considering hrt should first consult with a doctor in real life. If the doctor you are seeing is not able to answer all your questions, then I would see a new doctor.

I still cycle of course, but in between cycles I use my hrt. I feel personally, that the 200mgs was great, but felt just as good on 150mgs. I came completely clean for nearly 3 months and I felt like crap! Depression. I even had to start taking zoloft. It's exactly how I felt before hrt and talking to the doctors! Needless to say, I'm back on my therapy, and the zoloft is no longer needed. Although I still use P7, but that's just because it's a great product and helps me sleep, nothing to do with anxiety or depression.

 

[c gheller]

Gunner, What are the dosages of the current Eq,Deca,Test,Anavar cycle?

C3, Top info. What has happened in regards to muscle and weight gain in the last two years.

 

[bigdho]

No it doesn't matter if you are always on. Which is why I don't see the point of taking clomid and HCG in an attempt to recover HPTA...while still on 250mg test.

Your right it doesnt fully recover but my nuts maintain there size and my blood work says my other blood levels are are close enough to stay on. Plus I dont crash like someone who comes clear off. I dont plan on running gear like this forever, Im competing so when I stop and or reach my LBM goals Ill be doing the regular 12 week cycle with PCT and will do the time on time off thing. Im to the point right now that if I come off I will drop a lot of size. Im about 230 naturally and right now Im 304 @ 13% .

 

[c gheller]

Bigho, This is what im trying to get at. You made a choice to run a base of 250mg/week and cycle from this right? What was your weight/muscle mass when you began doing this? You are WAAAY up there so i presume this has worked for you. I also presume for a person such as myself that needs HRT to do the same thing, would be successful. Im yet to try it yet though. What do you think?

 

[mendo]

Your right it doesnt fully recover but my nuts maintain there size and my blood work says my other blood levels are are close enough to stay on. Plus I dont crash like someone who comes clear off. I dont plan on running gear like this forever, Im competing so when I stop and or reach my LBM goals Ill be doing the regular 12 week cycle with PCT and will do the time on time off thing. Im to the point right now that if I come off I will drop a lot of size. Im about 230 naturally and right now Im 304 @ 13% .

Yeah it makes more sense if you think you might come off at some point. If I ever decide stay on, it'll be till the very end, so I'm not sure if I'll bother with the HCG or not.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

It helps me maintain weight between cycles. When I came off from the hrt, I got the flu and lost a ton of weight. I'm just getting better now. I think my immune system was weak from stopping it. Foolish thing. When I amp up the dose and actually do a cycle, of course the higher test dose kicks in quicker, but not only that, I gain big time. I'm only 24 about to turn 25 and I think age has nothing to do with it. If you need it, you need it.

 

[c gheller]

C3, What do you up the dosages to? Im going to try one more PCT after this cycle and if i do not recover (been trying to recover since 2000), then obviously i have nothing to recover, which is what Docs have been telling me all that time. One last try for piece of mind i guess. I hope i grow like you Bro.

 

[phatrr]

Yeah it makes more sense if you think you might come off at some point. If I ever decide stay on, it'll be till the very end, so I'm not sure if I'll bother with the HCG or not.

Mendo, take a look at the paper I linked to earlier in this thread by one of the leading HRT/TRT docs around. There's good reason to incorporate hcg into lifelong therapy, if nothing else than it's nice to have big balls. I also think that (comparatively) the hcg is so cheap/easy to inject that there's little drawback.

 

[bigdho]

Bigho, This is what im trying to get at. You made a choice to run a base of 250mg/week and cycle from this right? What was your weight/muscle mass when you began doing this? You are WAAAY up there so i presume this has worked for you. I also presume for a person such as myself that needs HRT to do the same thing, would be successful. Im yet to try it yet though. What do you think?

Hey bro,
When I began this I was 265 @ 11% b.f. so Ive gained alot in the past 12 months.

 

[c gheller]

Hey bro,
When I began this I was 265 @ 11% b.f. so Ive gained alot in the past 12 months.

Good work. What do your "Cycles" include and what dosages are you running?