The old boxing v MMA debate

[jd_uk]

dont know haye or khan but cotto, margarito, mosley and hopkins are washed up.. Didnt cotto just lose again? mosley wont get another shot and hopkins is a nobody now. hes old as hell and since he lost to calzaghe no one cares anymore. who was that black guy from america that lost a decision to froch. that was straight rigged. i guess you have to beat the champ to be the champ but in a normal bout froch lost.

Hopkins is a 'nobody' who still has all the tricks and schooled a younger Kelly Pavlik a while back. He's not got the fitness anymore but knows how to win.

Cotto lost yeah...to Pacquiao! His only losses are to a guy who pretty much had plaster of Paris in his gloves. It's way too early to say if he is washed up. Still a very exciting fighter.

Mosley, again his loss is to Mayweather. Yes he looked shattered after round 3 but part of me thinks that it is because Mayweather is so damn good.

Re Froch, I think you're talking about Dirrell and yeah it was close. Kesller exposed his defence recently.

 

[twenty47]

i heard cotto just lost again in an undercard at mayweather mosley. I was drunk so you tell me lol.

and yeah it was dirrell. I am a froch fan but after that fight i was scratching my head.

 

[jd_uk]

i heard cotto just lost again in an undercard at mayweather mosley. I was drunk so you tell me lol.

and yeah it was dirrell. I am a froch fan but after that fight i was scratching my head.

That was his bro

 

[jd_uk]

you arent in america..

I suppose. I do speak to a lot of guys from America about boxing though and they seemm pretty keen. Guess it depends how much interest you show in the sport. Typical names become big names if you follow them. All I can say is that Mayweather and Mosley obviously pull in a big crowd.

 

[twenty47]

I suppose. I do speak to a lot of guys from America about boxing though and they seemm pretty keen. Guess it depends how much interest you show in the sport. Typical names become big names if you follow them. All I can say is that Mayweather and Mosley obviously pull in a big crowd.

yeah fans will obviously know. its like bodybuilding. big names are big names if you follow them but normal people know arnold,cutler and coleman. thatd be it. but UFC has a lot of names people know. they market their fights very well. the list of big names is huge if you ask me.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Boxing IS dead, wtf are you talking about? Just because some of the FEW headlines make BANK doesn't mean anything. Do you know HOW MANY belts their are? The average fan has NO clue about the set up, most of the belt are meaningless, and UNLESS its a HEADLINE fight, no one gives a fuck. They are boring to watch 8 out of 10 times. So much politicing and other BS goes on just to gt a decent fight signed, that no one cares.

Seriously, MMA is where it's at, period.

Boxing is Punch, Block, Move...The training for MMA fighters is SOOO much more brutal. They lean MANY different styles and skills...WTF are you talking about?

-Legacy

It's kinda ironic then how a boring as fuck boxer with 2 years under his belt could probably take any MMA fighter with 5x the years of practice. Even Bruce Lee admitted that. Same with wrestling, as homo erotic as it is.

 

[jd_uk]

It's kinda ironic then how a boring as fuck boxer with 2 years under his belt could probably take any MMA fighter with 5x the years of practice. Even Bruce Lee admitted that. Same with wrestling, as homo erotic as it is.

I still just don't get the whole 'who would win in a street fight' debates. The two are just SPORTS.

Anything goes in a street fight. It's just about how much of a nutter you are. Tyson would have ripped people apart with his teeth, besides the killer punches.

 

[twenty47]

It's kinda ironic then how a boring as fuck boxer with 2 years under his belt could probably take any MMA fighter with 5x the years of practice. Even Bruce Lee admitted that. Same with wrestling, as homo erotic as it is.

Im not sure what you are saying. are you saying a boxer with 2 years of training could beat an mma fighter in boxing or mma?

 

[Daeo]

It's kinda ironic then how a boring as fuck boxer with 2 years under his belt could probably take any MMA fighter with 5x the years of practice. Even Bruce Lee admitted that. Same with wrestling, as homo erotic as it is.

Umm...MMA wasn't around when Bruce Lee was alive though...

 

[AztecWarrior]

yeah fans will obviously know. its like bodybuilding. big names are big names if you follow them but normal people know arnold,cutler and coleman. thatd be it. but UFC has a lot of names people know. they market their fights very well. the list of big names is huge if you ask me.

LOL! Of course, if you are talking to mma fans, why wouldn't they know. Most mma fans weren't into boxing to begin with, so there understanding of a sport will be non exsistent so speak. If you are talking to people of american or canadian locations where mma has a good following that's what you'll get. Go to parts of europe, most parts of asia, all of southern south america, middle east, africa, and islander countries, they won't speak so passionately or even know what mma is. You have to factor that in, when determining how much of a popularity a sport is.

Look most of Mayweather's recent fights crushed any ppv the UFC has ever done, in buy numbers.

"The UFC had a rumored 1.5 million household rate for UFC 100, which was due in majority part to the considerable drawing power of Brock Lesnar. Boxing still holds the record for purchases with a 2007 bout between Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya: 2.4 million."

The ppv buy numbers would be 3mil+ for Pacman/Mayweather projected easyly. Boxing sells.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

LOL! Of course, if you are talking to mma fans, why wouldn't they know. Most mma fans weren't into boxing to begin with, so there understanding of a sport will be non exsistent so speak. If you are talking to people of american or canadian locations where mma has a good following that's what you'll get. Go to parts of europe, most parts of asia, all of southern south america, middle east, africa, and islander countries, they won't speak so passionately or even know what mma is. You have to factor that in, when determining how much of a popularity a sport is.

Look most of Mayweather's recent fights crushed any ppv the UFC has ever done, in buy numbers.

"The UFC had a rumored 1.5 million household rate for UFC 100, which was due in majority part to the considerable drawing power of Brock Lesnar. Boxing still holds the record for purchases with a 2007 bout between Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya: 2.4 million."

The ppv buy numbers would be 3mil+ for Pacman/Mayweather projected easyly. Boxing sells.

LMAO, Boxing DOESNT sell, people watch MAYWEATHER because of his personality OUT of the ring as much as they want to watch him fight someone. If he said, I QUIT BOXING IM GOING TO MMA, boxings number would fall off DRAMATICALLY. The drama of Mayweather talking shit, the out of ring "drama" leading up to the fight, is what sells AS MUCH as the event does. If Mayweather didn't run his MOUTH 24/7 the average public wouldnt give a damn, youd only have the BOXING fans, people pay for his celebrity.

He could say he was never going to box again and was going to become a wrestler and wrestling numbers would go up...not to watch wrestling, but to watch what happens to floyd.

Boxing has been around for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS to promote their events, MMA hasnt been PUSHED mainstream for that long and it is already chipping into Boxings fan base at a FAST rate.

What is LEFT of boxing will be dead, crushed, stomped on, spit upon, and laughed at MORE than it is now within 5 years. Only the DIE hards that don't know when to let go will be left.

Boxing analysts already think the 100000 belts are a joke, fights are mainly a joke other than the ONE or TWO main draws each year...the sport can't even keep these people happy. ROME's biggest draw was brutal games in the ARENA, fighting to the death, no one wants to watch guys with 12in thick gloves jabbing and hugging for 12 rounds mixed with dancing around in circles. Sure MMA has bad fights, its impossible to have 100% perfect fights, but MMA has more memorable moments per year than boxing. This mainly due to the fact that boxing has a hard time even getting 2 BIG names that one cares about in the ring at the same time.

MMA's marketing will crush boxing VERY soon...So enjoy the LITTLE bit of exposure it has left.

 

[AztecWarrior]

I still just don't get the whole 'who would win in a street fight' debates. The two are just SPORTS.

Anything goes in a street fight. It's just about how much of a nutter you are. Tyson would have ripped people apart with his teeth, besides the killer punches.

Any train combat fighter has a great chance but all forms of fighting either it be mma or boxing can fail in street fighting. It's way different that it has no rules. No one there to tell you to not elbow behind the head, grab an object to stick it through your neck, bite your flesh off, stick a thumb up your eye, crack your knee out with a direct hit to the front, and so much more. To show an example, two friends of mine got into a fight at a bbq 2 yrs ago. One of them wrestled in hs and does bjj, the other dude dosen't even care about mma cause he plays college baseball. The wrestler locks up with my friend, throws him over a table, the wrestler gets his back, the baseball player jams his fingers with force through his neck while he was trying to get him in a choke, the wrestler turns over from the pain, the baseball player trys to get to his feet but the wrestler trys to grab his legs to get him down, and thats when he grabs a heavy ash tray from the table to hit him in the back of his neck, while kicking him repeatedly to the side of the head. The trained dude ended up with whiplash to the neck and his rigth ear drum was fractured from the kicks to the side of the head. Anything and anyone can win in a street fight. Fights in the streets most often even one on one to begin with and weapons change everything. Chances to lose outside of a no rules enviroment come at a great price and unpredictable. It's whole different situation with much worse outcomes.

 

[AztecWarrior]

LMAO, Boxing DOESNT sell, people watch MAYWEATHER because of his personality OUT of the ring as much as they want to watch him fight someone. If he said, I QUIT BOXING IM GOING TO MMA, boxings number would fall off DRAMATICALLY. The drama of Mayweather talking shit, the out of ring "drama" leading up to the fight, is what sells AS MUCH as the event does. If Mayweather didn't run his MOUTH 24/7 the average public wouldnt give a damn, youd only have the BOXING fans, people pay for his celebrity.

He could say he was never going to box again and was going to become a wrestler and wrestling numbers would go up...not to watch wrestling, but to watch what happens to floyd.

Boxing has been around for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS to promote their events, MMA hasnt been PUSHED mainstream for that long and it is already chipping into Boxings fan base at a FAST rate.

What is LEFT of boxing will be dead, crushed, stomped on, spit upon, and laughed at MORE than it is now within 5 years. Only the DIE hards that don't know when to let go will be left.

Boxing analysts already think the 100000 belts are a joke, fights are mainly a joke other than the ONE or TWO main draws each year...the sport can't even keep these people happy. ROME's biggest draw was brutal games in the ARENA, fighting to the death, no one wants to watch guys with 12in thick gloves jabbing and hugging for 12 rounds mixed with dancing around in circles. Sure MMA has bad fights, its impossible to have 100% perfect fights, but MMA has more memorable moments per year than boxing. This mainly due to the fact that boxing has a hard time even getting 2 BIG names that one cares about in the ring at the same time.

MMA's marketing will crush boxing VERY soon...So enjoy the LITTLE bit of exposure it has left.

Cotto, margarito, marquez, and even palvik still draw heavy crowds. Cotto only lost to 2 top ww in one possible being the best of are area in Manny. Nothing to be ashamed of in losing to the top of the food chain in boxing. When you fight the best you will lose sometimes. Just like in mma. How many people have undfeated records in mma facing the top 1 through 3 guys in there class??? Many of them. Does that make shogun, overeem, couture, and silva washed up??? They bounced back with time just like all great contenders in other sports. No one can be on top forever, even the great fall sometimes.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

That's kind of the point, the popularity is swinging to MMA because even the lower level fights have more entertainment potential, than the "friday night fights" and lower level cards in boxing. Boxing can only draw numbers with the HUGE fights, MMA is getting rating with "reality" shows like The Ultimate Fighter. Retard Kimbo Slice gets huge rating online and on TV and the guy is a horrible fighter in a ring, but was a great street fighter, does this mean since people watch him he's great? No...Just like boxing Floyd and Paq get tons of numbers from being "names" that people know, not for the fight itself. This in itself if why MMA is taking over. People see the people fight more, fighters aren't taking A YEAR or so off before they fight, people see their faces more than once a year. Boxing is HORRIBLE at marketing more than 2-3 people, right now the ONLY talk is about Floyd and Paq, without the drama of that fight the general public would have no interest. It's not the diehard boxing fans we are talking about, its the Gen Pop that will determine if boxing will fall...and they have been losing interest FAST over the last decade.

-Legacy

 

[AztecWarrior]

That's kind of the point, the popularity is swinging to MMA because even the lower level fights have more entertainment potential, than the "friday night fights" and lower level cards in boxing. Boxing can only draw numbers with the HUGE fights, MMA is getting rating with "reality" shows like The Ultimate Fighter. Retard Kimbo Slice gets huge rating online and on TV and the guy is a horrible fighter in a ring, but was a great street fighter, does this mean since people watch him he's great? No...Just like boxing Floyd and Paq get tons of numbers from being "names" that people know, not for the fight itself. This in itself if why MMA is taking over. People see the people fight more, fighters aren't taking A YEAR or so off before they fight, people see their faces more than once a year. Boxing is HORRIBLE at marketing more than 2-3 people, right now the ONLY talk is about Floyd and Paq, without the drama of that fight the general public would have no interest. It's not the diehard boxing fans we are talking about, its the Gen Pop that will determine if boxing will fall...and they have been losing interest FAST over the last decade.

-Legacy

Are you kidding me? Manny got his fame for his aggressive fight style, his speed, his class in & out of the ring, his humbleness, his accomplishments he's obtain in his sport, the pride he brings to his country, and for beating the best. Manny is a national treasure in his country for god sake. No mma fighter has obtain that kind of status in there country. People watch Manny and cotto among other's because even in a loss they display heart and excitement. People hold them high around the world and espeacially in thier native country. Not everyone is as technical as mayweather. FNF displays great upcoming talent and it wouldn't be running all these years if no viewers weren't watching. Like I said, boxing in America is sloped downwards because right now many top fighter's aren't from the states right now. Eroupe, asia, and south america have tremdous talent right now. The cubans and russian's right now are repersenting well in boxing presently.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Are you kidding me? Manny got his fame for his aggressive fight style, his speed, his class in & out of the ring, his humbleness, his accomplishments he's obtain in his sport, the pride he brings to his country, and for beating the best. Manny is a national treasure in his country for god sake. No mma fighter has obtain that kind of status in there country. People watch Manny and cotto among other's because even in a loss they display heart and excitement. People hold them high around the world and espeacially in thier native country. Not everyone is as technical as mayweather. FNF displays great upcoming talent and it wouldn't be running all these years if no viewers weren't watching. Like I said, boxing in America is sloped downwards because right now many top fighter's aren't from the states right now. Eroupe, asia, and south america have tremdous talent right now. The cubans and russian's right now are repersenting well in boxing presently.

LOL...once floyd and paq' are gone, boxing will do less numbers than the monthly WWE PPV's, keep holding on to the dream though...Its good to see boxing will always have the SMALL dreamer side of their fans till death, no matter how blindly the sport is followed.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I remember me and some friends a couple years ago would turn on FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS to see HOW BAD the fighters were and how much of a joke it was...not because of "great talent". The fights had most of the crowds boo'ing them several rounds in...but yeah, maybe if i dig REAL REAL REAL deep into some stats I can learn about some 13 year old that's boxing in Romania or something, that might be big....never.

 

[AztecWarrior]

LOL...once floyd and paq' are gone, boxing will do less numbers than the monthly WWE PPV's, keep holding on to the dream though...Its good to see boxing will always have the SMALL dreamer side of their fans till death, no matter how blindly the sport is followed.

MMA is small boxing is big. Don't know how mma fans can keep ignoring facts. The numbers and popularity of boxing around the world does not lie. People like you let your own pesonal preference get in the way of acknowledging other's great accomplishment's just cause you don't care. Boxing is a cycle that just keeps on going. When one star moves on another takes it's place.

 

[jd_uk]

I remember me and some friends a couple years ago would turn on FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS to see HOW BAD the fighters were and how much of a joke it was...not because of "great talent". The fights had most of the crowds boo'ing them several rounds in...but yeah, maybe if i dig REAL REAL REAL deep into some stats I can learn about some 13 year old that's boxing in Romania or something, that might be big....never.

From what I've briefly read of your posts, you are just recycling exactly the same pathetic stuff that Joe Rogan was saying. I've just been reading an article from around 2007 about how years earlier the MMA has been predicting that boxing was dead only for De La Hoya v Mayweather to completely smash any PPV figures ever.

The figures and the money do not lie. Neither do the fact that up and coming fighters lie Amir Khan are already multi millionaires despite being barely known in some parts yet. MMA just doesn't compare yet and I don't think it ever will. The only way that MMA will be taken seriously by a mainstream audience is if has oficial governing bodies ruling the fights (i.e. fights not simply run by one or two private companies) and if people like Dana White are not in control. Also there would have to be much more respect in the sport in general in my opinion.

Btw, even though UFC numbers can't compare with boxing - I bet that even they are inflated by Mr White. Remember, UFC is JUST a private company and nobody can check whether the numbers which they release are correct or not. Bob Arum believes they are actually even lower than released and I'd be more inclined to believe him than Dana White who has tried to trash talk boxing for the good of his business many times.

 

[jd_uk]

LOL...once floyd and paq' are gone, boxing will do less numbers than the monthly WWE PPV's, keep holding on to the dream though...Its good to see boxing will always have the SMALL dreamer side of their fans till death, no matter how blindly the sport is followed.

See above post, but on this point did you know that there is MUCH MORE crossover between WWE fans and UFC fans than there is between WWE and boxing fans? It's not hard to see why.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

My friends used to order every major boxing fight, we would have parties to watch the ppv's...not one single person I know cares at all anymore, unless they can gt it for free online. Bars and clubs here used to pay for boxing PPVs, now they say its not worth it at all but they order and show all the UFC and MMA fights...I guess you guys are right (rolls eyes). I'll stick with my boxing analysts on ESPN that over the last few weeks are admitting how horrible the sport is right now, which I completely agree with.

 

[jd_uk]

My friends used to order every major boxing fight, we would have parties to watch the ppv's...not one single person I know cares at all anymore, unless they can gt it for free online. Bars and clubs here used to pay for boxing PPVs, now they say its not worth it at all but they order and show all the UFC and MMA fights...I guess you guys are right (rolls eyes). I'll stick with my boxing analysts on ESPN that over the last few weeks are admitting how horrible the sport is right now, which I completely agree with.

Maybe you need to look outside the box though? Every sport criticises itself. Every reputable sport anyway. I even agree that there are faults with boxing, but to claim it is dying or even dead is just nonsense.

 

[PICK3]

MMA > boxing

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[DJLegacy2k1]

MMA > boxing

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+infinity

 

[AztecWarrior]

My friends used to order every major boxing fight, we would have parties to watch the ppv's...not one single person I know cares at all anymore, unless they can gt it for free online. Bars and clubs here used to pay for boxing PPVs, now they say its not worth it at all but they order and show all the UFC and MMA fights...I guess you guys are right (rolls eyes). I'll stick with my boxing analysts on ESPN that over the last few weeks are admitting how horrible the sport is right now, which I completely agree with.

Are your friends some kind of high end individuals who determine what is popular and what isn't? Excuse us. LOL! Some fights haven't lived up to expectations but other's exceed it. You and your friends can roll your eyes all you want. Go nuts. Nothings gonna change and boxing will continue to grow with it's globalization of success. Don't be mad for the fact boxing is much greatly established in the world. Be happy and enjoy what you like, no need to get all worked up over nothing that pretains to your own agenda. It's all good.

 

[twenty47]

boxing has 1-2 fights a year. how many has just UFC had? they have been popular since like UFC 70. they just did 113.

the point is dumb to argue. UFC just got popular. just wait a few more years. mark my words. after pac and mayweather fight its down hill after that. no one is following anymore so the new guys wont matter. but i will be paying to see that fight. i am still a fan of them. after that idgaf.

 

[AztecWarrior]

boxing has 1-2 fights a year. how many has just UFC had? they have been popular since like UFC 70. they just did 113.

the point is dumb to argue. UFC just got popular. just wait a few more years. mark my words. after pac and mayweather fight its down hill after that. no one is following anymore so the new guys wont matter. but i will be paying to see that fight. i am still a fan of them. after that idgaf.

Main events every week around the world show casing the best around from their country. There are big name figthers just waiting to break out all over. The money is there to motivate the best to enter. I remember seeing manny back in early 2003 fighting at the Olympic Auditorium, in Los Angeles to win his 1st major championship fight. Told myself he was good, but didn't know he'd get as big as he was going to be. No one knew him then and no one can know until they continue establish themeselves and grow into an icon they worked so hard to obtain from such a young age. In time things become great. Not all of a sudden. Cool it now, you are gonna lose control pal. LOL!

 

[twenty47]

the money is where? besides the huge fights they arent making shit per fight. less then mma fyi. thats easy to google.

 

[Daeo]

MMA is small boxing is big. Don't know how mma fans can keep ignoring facts. The numbers and popularity of boxing around the world does not lie. People like you let your own pesonal preference get in the way of acknowledging other's great accomplishment's just cause you don't care. Boxing is a cycle that just keeps on going. When one star moves on another takes it's place.

How many ppv fights in boxing are there compared to MMA fights annually? Maybe a few in boxing will bring in money. There's a lot more people willing to pay for MMA fights on a monthly basis than there is in boxing though. If you put some of the fighters you stated the takes would be extremely low. And I'm willing to say none of the promoters or fighters in MMA are crying.

Also you said star(singular). Honestly there aren't any big names anymore in boxing besides the latter stated. You can't say honestly say you believe that there's more attention being brought to boxing over MMA. No one gets excited about boxing anymore besides names they recognize. There's tons of dumbfucks willing to pay for fights just because of names...

 

[Daeo]

Main events every week around the world show casing the best around from their country. There are big name figthers just waiting to break out all over. The money is there to motivate the best to enter. I remember seeing manny back in early 2003 fighting at the Olympic Auditorium, in Los Angeles to win his 1st major championship fight. Told myself he was good, but didn't know he'd get as big as he was going to be. No one knew him then and no one can know until they continue establish themeselves and grow into an icon they worked so hard to obtain from such a young age. In time things become great. Not all of a sudden. Cool it now, you are gonna lose control pal. LOL!

And how are these break out fighters supposed to peak our interest in the meantime???

 

[jd_uk]

boxing has 1-2 fights a year. how many has just UFC had? they have been popular since like UFC 70. they just did 113.

the point is dumb to argue. UFC just got popular. just wait a few more years. mark my words. after pac and mayweather fight its down hill after that. no one is following anymore so the new guys wont matter. but i will be paying to see that fight. i am still a fan of them. after that idgaf.

Apparently you're no listening....there are 1-3 MEGAFIGHTS per year...i.e. the types which earn the fighters 100 times more than any UFC fighter, but then there are also tens of large fights per year. Then there are obviously many, many fights which less casual fans would be interested in. I think you're ignoring all the facts and all the info about upcoming youngsters simply because you want it to be true. Just like people wanted it to be true back in 2005-6 before De La Hoya v Mayweather happened and Pacquiao became huge.

 

[Daeo]

Apparently you're no listening....there are 1-3 MEGAFIGHTS per year...i.e. the types which earn the fighters 100 times more than any UFC fighter, but then there are also tens of large fights per year. Then there are obviously many, many fights which less casual fans would be interested in. I think you're ignoring all the facts and all the info about upcoming youngsters simply because you want it to be true. Just like people wanted it to be true back in 2005-6 before De La Hoya v Mayweather happened and Pacquiao became huge.

Name the less larger fights that will gain boxing more publicity/money please...

 

[Daeo]

there are 1-3 MEGAFIGHTS per year

MEGAFIGHTS??? Didn't see any MEGA. Maybe you can. All seemed like a belt holder trying to keep it that way...

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

LMAO @ MEGAFIGHTS

I already forgot who Paq' fought in his last fight and didnt even watch Floyd fight because we all knew his was going to win...Yet I watched Ultimate fighter last night and I will watch the new episode tonight, because these no namers have more potential in a 2 round fight to do something I will remember than these MEGAFIGHTS. Let me know when Tyson in his prime comes back to fight Floyd, I will watch that lol

 

[AztecWarrior]

Haha. Just let them believe what they want to believe jd_uk. They can't grasp the reality of what boxing is. They are upset that it's still here and they will be upset in the future that its still number 1 around the world. It's like beating your head on the side of the wall with these guys. You guys have a right to your own opinion but I don't have to time for pointless debates time after time anymore. Goodluck to both mma and boxing. One last thing, I watch both and I enjoy it. I'm Happy.

 

[twenty47]

Haha. Just let them believe what they want to believe jd_uk. They can't grasp the reality of what boxing is. They are upset that it's still here and they will be upset in the future that its still number 1 around the world. It's like beating your head on the side of the wall with these guys. You guys have a right to your own opinion but I don't have to time for pointless debates time after time anymore. Goodluck to both mma and boxing. One last thing, I watch both and I enjoy it. I'm Happy.

Im not upset at all. i dont dis like boxing in anyway. I am calling it like i see it. Let me tell you i think about the pac mayweather fight on a daily basis. i want it to happen so bad. But other then that i couldnt come up with another fight if i wanted to.. I was just watching friday night fights last night. i like boxing but its not as big as mma anymore.

Look at all the mma shit sold at stores now. its insane. all the mma shirts at buckle, affliction, rvca. tapout is everywhere. randy's line. its all over. does boxing have clothing?


I want pac to beat mayweather so bad i would pay 100 dollars to watch the fight. I want to see that more then any UFC fight right now. doesnt mean boxing is bigger.

 

[jd_uk]

Name the less larger fights that will gain boxing more publicity/money please...

I thought I'd already mentioned some names? Any of these guys have big fights and they are only my personal favourites at the moment. Like any sport, there's no point me listing off names that you don't know, especially if you aren't even bothered about the sport anyway. Go to a boxing fan site if you have an interest in up and coming names. Or even just go to a local news site like CBS because I noticed that the boxing sections there are more prominent there than other 'combat sports'.

Khan v Malignaggi this weekend should be an interesting fight, especially with all the words that have been exchanged prior to the fight. I'm looking forward to it - hopeflly Freddie Roach's magic will have rubbed off on Khan and he'll shut Malignaggi up.

 

[jd_uk]

MEGAFIGHTS??? Didn't see any MEGA. Maybe you can. All seemed like a belt holder trying to keep it that way...

I've just heard the phrase thrown around in the press, certainly over here anyway aboiut the Mayweather v Mosley fight and as far as I'm concerned, when it makes that much money then it is a megafight. Any fan of the sport gets very excited about a fight like that.

 

[jd_uk]

Im not upset at all. i dont dis like boxing in anyway. I am calling it like i see it. Let me tell you i think about the pac mayweather fight on a daily basis. i want it to happen so bad. But other then that i couldnt come up with another fight if i wanted to.. I was just watching friday night fights last night. i like boxing but its not as big as mma anymore.

There is just no proof at all that MMA is a bigger sport than boxing. Globally there is no way it is. The figures suggest it also isn't as big (and like i said, nobody knows the true fighures because it is mainly one PRIVATE company). Then to go further and say 'boxing has died' is just ridiculous and I don't even need to repeat why. Some of the comments you've made here make me question how much of a boxing fan youare, or how much you know about the sport. I was speaking to an American friend about this and he just said either you're making some things up or it's very different in your state.

Look at all the mma shit sold at stores now. its insane. all the mma shirts at buckle, affliction, rvca. tapout is everywhere. randy's line. its all over. does boxing have clothing?

So, boxing is dead because MMA has clothing brands linked to it??? I own boxing clothing yes but I wouldn't try to use that as proof that boxing is popular. Boxing has been around for a long time and is a global sport, not a commercial company (or in this case probably associated companies). MMA has clothes like WWE has clothes, so what? I don't think I've seen any MMA clothes in the UK apart from once in a magazine with that Alex Reid (don't ask) wearing a 'tap out' t-shirt.

I want pac to beat mayweather so bad i would pay 100 dollars to watch the fight. I want to see that more then any UFC fight right now. doesnt mean boxing is bigger.

I felt the same until I saw Mayweather's performance against Mosley. Have to give him respect after taking shots like that and coming back to dominate. The guy is just quality - to see them fight each other would be amazing.

YouTube - Incredible Floyd Mayweather Jr Training Tribute

 

[jd_uk]

Haha. Just let them believe what they want to believe jd_uk. They can't grasp the reality of what boxing is. They are upset that it's still here and they will be upset in the future that its still number 1 around the world. It's like beating your head on the side of the wall with these guys. You guys have a right to your own opinion but I don't have to time for pointless debates time after time anymore. Goodluck to both mma and boxing. One last thing, I watch both and I enjoy it. I'm Happy.

yep. the thing is I'm not even claiming that MMA hasn't done well. Like i said, it's been marketed very intelligently. I'm just responding to completely stupid and unsubstantiated comments from people like Joe Rogan who claim 'boxing is dead'. It's just a myth perpetuated by those with a business interest in MMA and then some MMA fans pick up on it with no real clue of the facts.

You seen Khan fight before? Think he'll take out Malignaggi?

 

[twenty47]

idk where your buddy lives but i live in chicago. go into any bar anywhere in the city and atleast one guy will have an afliction tshirt or extreme couture. when i say atleast one i am being very generous. more like atleast 10-15. and most of those guys are mma fans. not to many people spend 50+ dollars for a tshirt and have no idea about it. I personally have randy coutures affliction shirt from his last ufc fight. and vitor belforts RVCA tee. wanted to buy bj penns last shirt but it didnt fit right.

i dont really care about whats going on in the world. in america the norm doesnt care about boxing. when UFC has their ppv events i could probably find 10-20 different houses to go watch it at where 10+ people will be there or go to any sports bar and it will be packed. Bars get packed for fights with mayweather and pac but like many people have said. those fights dont happen every month. or even every couple of months.

UFC is everywhere. plain and simple. go to fucking walmart and they have ufc fighter posters. its growing so fast. go to any regular gym and noobs with tapout shirts are kicking the punching bags. I know of like 10 different places i could go watch mma fights every weekend. with big crowds. I know of tons of gyms i could go sign up to take mma classes. I lived right down the street from MTC in schaumburg IL where beybee and clay guida train. I went there and rolled with a friend who fights out of that gym.

its just everywhere and boxing isnt. plain and simple. and im not some retard fan either. i watch it for fun and slightly follow it. my hobby is racing cars. But i cant deny how big mma is. atleast in chicago. pretty good amout of people there.

And i dont hate boxing. I was a wrestler in HS. since then ive trained boxing more then mma. i love physically boxing myself. i hate rolling with jitz guys it boils my blood.

 

[jd_uk]

idk where your buddy lives but i live in chicago. go into any bar anywhere in the city and atleast one guy will have an afliction tshirt or extreme couture. when i say atleast one i am being very generous. more like atleast 10-15. and most of those guys are mma fans. not to many people spend 50+ dollars for a tshirt and have no idea about it. I personally have randy coutures affliction shirt from his last ufc fight. and vitor belforts RVCA tee. wanted to buy bj penns last shirt but it didnt fit right.

i dont really care about whats going on in the world. in america the norm doesnt care about boxing. when UFC has their ppv events i could probably find 10-20 different houses to go watch it at where 10+ people will be there or go to any sports bar and it will be packed. Bars get packed for fights with mayweather and pac but like many people have said. those fights dont happen every month. or even every couple of months.

UFC is everywhere. plain and simple. go to fucking walmart and they have ufc fighter posters. its growing so fast. go to any regular gym and noobs with tapout shirts are kicking the punching bags. I know of like 10 different places i could go watch mma fights every weekend. with big crowds. I know of tons of gyms i could go sign up to take mma classes. I lived right down the street from MTC in schaumburg IL where beybee and clay guida train. I went there and rolled with a friend who fights out of that gym.

its just everywhere and boxing isnt. plain and simple. and im not some retard fan either. i watch it for fun and slightly follow it. my hobby is racing cars. But i cant deny how big mma is. atleast in chicago. pretty good amout of people there.

And i dont hate boxing. I was a wrestler in HS. since then ive trained boxing more then mma. i love physically boxing myself. i hate rolling with jitz guys it boils my blood.

Fair enough, I'm not gonna argue with what you see as I can't see what you see. I'm not even going to argue that MMA hasn't done well. I just will argue when people claim boxing is dead because the figures say different and those are North American figures.

Globally, there is no comparison although again MMA is stil doing well.

Let's hope Pacquiao Mayweather happens.

 

[jd_uk]

btw, lol @ the weigh in for Khan v Malignaggi...Paulie saying Khan must be on drugs too has wounmd Khan up: YouTube - BRAWL at the Khan/Malignaggi Weigh In

 

[twenty47]

btw, lol @ the weigh in for Khan v Malignaggi...Paulie saying Khan must be on drugs too has wounmd Khan up: YouTube - BRAWL at the Khan/Malignaggi Weigh In

i forgot about malignaggi. who is that mexican fellow he lost to and then came back and beat pretty good. i enjoyed that fight and enjoyed his style. when is this fight?

 

[jd_uk]

i forgot about malignaggi. who is that mexican fellow he lost to and then came back and beat pretty good. i enjoyed that fight and enjoyed his style. when is this fight?

DO you mean Juan Diaz? I didn't see that fight but heard about it.

The fight is tonight at Madison Square Gardens. Khan is hoping it will be his 'intoduction to America'. If he gets caught he's in trouble as his chin isn't good but his speed/power is awesome.

 

[twenty47]

malignaggi is a show boat asshole but i like the way he fights. and i dont like newcomers from other countries lol.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Michael Wilbon from PTI on ESPN (today's show while talking about horse racing): "Horse racing right now, although it got some decent ratings during the last few years for triple crown chances, like boxing, is dead. Completely dead."

Just saying...again lol

 

[AztecWarrior]

Goodnight of boxing June 5th. JD you watching it?

 

[jfish2134]

I agree with jd-uk. Boxing is the superior sport. Much more exciting to watch guys hit each other than grapple with each other. And if you're a fighter, boxing is where the money's at. And anyone that says mma training is harder, obviously hasn't boxed. I've competed in both and boxing is a much more demanding sport. In boxing they make you FIGHT the whole time. If you try to hold onto your opponent, they seperate you and make your ass FIGHT, not hug and rest.