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The new Post Cycle Therapy for 2008

Post Cycle Therapy
Elite members,

I’d like to present to you an all new protocol that will allow you to cycle your anabolic androgenic steroids, get clean, and maintain your gains and youthful sex life. This feature will present the proper way to use h.C.G for optimum recovery, as well as provide you with the perfect supplement stack for P.C.T. (Marketing propaganda? Sure, but if the products work, they work.)

If you’ve been studying the current P.C.T protocols you’ve probably read about taking anti-estrogens to protect against bitch tits and fat gain, while taking SERMS such as Clomid or Nolvaldex trying to jump start your Testosterone production (meanwhile crossing your fingers and preparing for months of depression, deflating muscles and a pitiful sex life). But today, we’ve got something new for you, and if you read this article you can say goodbye to depressing, weak P.C.T periods, and change P.C.T into a time when you continue to make tremendous gains while maintaining the sexual power of a porn star.

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Looking at the current P.C.T approach we can see it is really a two steps forward, one step back approach. We try to stimulate testosterone by reducing estrogen, but then we hurt our cholesterol values and sex drive at the same time. What we need is a protocol to get our natural Testosterone levels back, without compromising our health. So, lets first take a look at the major pitfalls in currently popular P.C.T regimens.

Current P.C.T Problems...

Mega-Dosing of S.E.R.M.s: There is no doubt that S.E.R.M.s (Selective Estrogen Receptor modulators) such as Clomid and Nolvadex can help us recover by increasing Testosterone, however some parts of the body mistake these drugs as estrogen. That’s right folks, these “recovery” drugs can actually rob you of your masculinity in a very devastating way. For instance, many guys mega-dose Clomid at 100-200mg/day which makes your brain think you have the estrogen of a pregnant women, and you get all the emotional issues that go along with it. It’s not uncommon to see men on Clomid, spending days crying over old breakup’s and love songs while becoming completely unable to perform sexually. People usually associate these symptoms with suppression of their hormones from their cycle; not realizing that the very drugs they are taking to increase their Testosterone are also contributing to the symptoms they are trying to avoid! What’s worse is that these selective estrogen receptor modulator’s can actually hurt our vision and cause your eyesight to become blurred by ocular tracers, while putting additional stress on our livers (No thanks!). Besides, if these drugs actually worked that well you wouldn’t hear about guys complaining of a “low libido” or a “limp dick” during P.C.T. Since these SERMs can play a role in a successful P.C.T, we will keep them in our arsenal, but at a much lower dose.

Over Use of Anti-Estrogens: Aromatase inhibitors such as Arimidex, Aromasin, and Formestane are powerful tools that are often used to combat estrogenic side effects from heavily estrogenic drugs such as Testosterone or Dianabol. Many guys use these drugs during cycle, then continue to use them when they are not at all necessary during P.C.T. Remember, it is easy to overuse aromatase inhibitor’s and overuse has very serious side effects. Extremely low estrogen will give you joint pain, make your prone to heart disease, and make your sex drive plummet. This hurts your long and short term recovery and does not benefit you. Don’t forget, normal levels of estrogen are necessary to repair your muscles, and support a strong libido.

Improper use of h.C.G: When you start a steroid cycle you are suppressing your natural Testosterone production. Your brain detects the massive levels of Testosterone and cuts off the signal to the testes. When this happens, the testes stop producing Testosterone and they start to think they have no importance, so they degenerate. Think of it this way, if you ignored your girlfriend for 12 weeks, do you think she would still be there at the end? She would be long gone, with a new dude, and you would be high and dry!

Right now you’re probably thinking, “Well I can just shoot h.C.G to kick start my T production…” Sorry, but once your testes are neglected, they don’t like to come back full strength no matter how much h.C.G you take. Do you think getting on your knees and crying for your girlfriend to come back after 12 weeks of neglect will work? Probably not, so why not just make a small effort to keep your testes active and in the game during cycle?

We need to help keep “our boys” running as normal as possible during cycle, so they can jump back on track when we come clean. This is easier than you think, so hold in there and keep reading…

Getting down to business

So, if you shouldn’t use mega doses of S.E.R.Ms, powerful aromatase inhibitor’s or h.C.G for P.C.T. then what should you use?

On cycle Maintenance: The biggest component of a fast recovery is keeping the testes active during the cycle. This is accomplished by taking h.C.G. during cycle, not after like many people think. On cycle h.C.G. forces your testes to continue to produce testosterone as they normally would. For this, I recommend 250 iu’s of h.C.G. taken twice a week from the start of your 3rd week of the cycle until two weeks before the steroids or pro-hormones clear your system (be sure to check the half lives and clearance time of the Steroids / Pro-Hormones you use, as these widely vary). Take a moderate dose of an Anti-Estrogen as needed, but remember, too much or too little are both detrimental. While using h.C.G. on cycle I recommend 25mg EOD of Aromasin or 1mg EOD of Arimidex to keep estrogen in control and avoid a post cycle estrogen spike.

Transition Phase: As the anabolic androgenic steroids’s begin to clear the system you enter the transition phase. During this time, you cease h.C.G. use, and begin tapering down the dose of your anti-estrogens. If you are using a drug with a long acting ester, like enanthate, then you would take your last shot of h.C.G. during your last shot of enanthate, since it has about a 2 week clearance time. If you’re ending the cycle with a fast acting oral steroid, then you would stop the h.C.G. about 2 weeks before your last oral dose.

Remember, h.C.G. acts in place of L.H. (leutenizing hormone) which is the hormone sent from the brain to the testes to make the testes produce Testosterone. During the two week period after you discontinue h.C.G. use, your testes are becoming re-sensitized to the body’s L.H. so your testes are ready to start producing naturally as soon as you begin Post Cycle Therapy.

P.C.T.: The steroids or pro-hormones are now completely out of your system and your estrogen should be low if you ran anti-estrogens during the cycle. You don’t need powerful anti-estrogens for P.C.T., since you have nothing in your body that will convert to estrogen. Instead, you should choose compounds that can keep estrogen at a healthy level while encouraging your body’s natural testosterone production. What you need is something that will surge your natural L.H. levels without crushing estrogen to the ground. You also need something to reduce cortisol, which is a nasty hormone that can breakdown your muscle and reduce your testosterone levels.

For suppressing cortisol I suggest supplementing with 800mg of phosphatidylserine. This is a very important phospholipid found within your cells which helps reduce stress related catabolism and cortisol release. As you may know, cortisol levels rapidly increase after exercise, but phosphatidylserine has been shown to blunt this effect and reduce the breakdown of muscle following a workout. Even worse, is that cortisol can lower testosterone by reducing the testes ability to produce Testosterone! This is the last thing a recovering steroid users wants for P.C.T. You can find 800mg of phosphatidylserine in each serving of EndoAmp.

For estrogen control and testosterone stimulation, Clomid and Nolvadex can get the job done, but they can have side effects at higher doses, so we have to keep the dose low to avoid these toxic effects. 10mg/day of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or 25mg/day of Clomid would be the most you would ever want to take, since any more than this has never been proven to work any better for increasing testosterone.

Odds are, if you care about your health and you want the best possible recovery of your natural Testosterone you won’t be satisfied with just running a low dose of Clomid or Nolva. You probably want to keep your gains, while staying healthy and keeping a strong sex drive. For this I recommend supplementing your P.C.T. with a natural S.E.R.M. such as Resveratrol. Hopefully you’ve already heard about Resveratrol and its cardiovascular benefits, anti-estrogenic properties, as well as its potent effect on inducing a strong sexual drive and good erectile function. It’s a must have for a successful P.C.T., but unfortunately it’s not very bio-available when taken orally, so you either have to take it by the boatload or choose to use Resveratrol as a transdermal for enhanced bio-availability, such as with Sustain Alpha which delivers a potent dose of 99% pure grade Resveratrol.
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If you’ve been around the Elite Fitness forums or any of the other online forums you’ve probably already heard about the incredible results obtained from Dermacrine Sustain by Primordial Performance. Well, Sustain Alpha is the all new Dermacrine Sustain. Recently, Primordial Performance added an exciting new element to Sustain, making it even more effective. Here is an exciting quote from our Primordial Performance R&D team -

“We’ve added a proprietary blend of naturally extracted volatile oils which immediately evaporate upon topical application and become naturally drawn up into the nasal cavity. Once these airborne oil molecules dissolve upon the olfactory bulb, they are carried through the nasal mucosa where they reach the hypothalamus and pituitary for direct modulation of hormone production. This is the science behind the medical practices of the ancient civilizations that applied aromatic oils from herbs such as Clary Sage and Sandalwood to heighten a man’s fertility and libido.”

In other words, the new Sustain Alpha is using aromatic essential plant oils to elicit a massive surge of L.H. from the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production from the testes. Primordial Performance took things one step further by making another addition with the ingredient Diallyl Disulfide. This unique little molecule further catalyzes the L.H. pulse and testosterone increase. The combo is nothing short of remarkable, and can easily be touted as the most powerful testosterone booster on the market.

With Sustain Alpha, you have a strong stimulation of L.H. from the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production from the Testes. However, if you’re like most men, you could probably use a bit more testicular sensitivity, to maximize the testosterone response from L.H. stimulation. For this, Primordial Performance has developed a natural leydig cell sensitizer, known as Toco-8. This product has an endless list of health benefits for the heart, hair growth and brain health. But for this article we are interested in its ability increase the efficiency of the testes for creating Testosterone. Toco-8 is the perfect item to stack with Sustain Alpha for a powerful initiation of your body’s natural testosterone production.
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For a recap: For the fastest possible recovery, you use 250iu of h.C.G. during the cycle. After the cycle, for the ultimate P.C.T., you block cortisol with 800mg of phosphatidylserine fromEndoAmp. Then, to safely block & control estrogen you stack a low dose of Nolva or Clomid (10mg or 25mg ED) with a natural testosterone stimulator such as the new Sustain Alpha & Toco-8. This synergistic combo is no doubtingly the single most powerful protocol for a truly successful P.C.T. Just follow the table below for the proper use of these supplements according to your cycle –

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As an exclusive deal for Elite Fitness members only, Primordial Performance is extending $10 off AND free 3-day shipping on your order of $100 or more! To take $10 off your order just enter MVC10 into the promotional code field during the final checkout page.

Feel free to post your comments and questions on here, and stay in good health and strength for 2008!

-Pp

BTW, for those who need proof that Sustain is a PCT wonder supplement, just take a look at these results from satisfied EF members -

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7488453-post1.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7664511-post17.html
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7813787-post1.html
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7322607-post1.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7324173-post7.html
 
Eric,

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation... for those who are on doctor-regulated HRT programs...and get tested every 3-4 months or so... if they choose to run a short (8-week) cycle then have a 1-2 month "down-time" to allow test levels to come back down before getting re-tested, is there any particular benefit of running Sustain during that "down-time"? Obviously, they're not going to get their natural test levels fully kickstarted, but will Sustain help at all with the rest of the body's recovery process? Any *harm* in using Sustain during this time? Should these people run a different sort of P C T?
 
By the way, I had posted another question in several other threads for you (Eric) and Nelson... regarding estrogen levels... didn't see a response.... I've seen you guys recommend that estrogen levels should be in the 10-20 range....when people posted that their E2 levels were in the 30's, you guys recommended that it should be a little lower.... I believe the "normal" range listed as a standard on blood-work is 3-70... can you tell us where you got that range from? Is it based on some sort of medical study? Just curious....thanks
 
Are there any recommended supplements for phosphatidylserine. I was looking around and only found phosphatidylserine complex which said it was 500mg per gelcap but that was 500mg of "complex" but only 100mg of actual phosphatidylserine. I don't want to have to eat 10 of them a day lol
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Are there any recommended supplements for phosphatidylserine. I was looking around and only found phosphatidylserine complex which said it was 500mg per gelcap but that was 500mg of "complex" but only 100mg of actual phosphatidylserine. I don't want to have to eat 10 of them a day lol

Check out International Antiaging Systems...I think they have pure phosphatidylserine... little pricey though.
 
I just checked there and it looks like there's is only 100mg per cap as well. If no one sells it over that amount where did the 1000mg a day number come from? Is that much really necessary?
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I just checked there and it looks like there's is only 100mg per cap as well. If no one sells it over that amount where did the 1000mg a day number come from? Is that much really necessary?

800-1000mg is where you want to be on the PS.

-Pp
 
njmuscleguy said:
By the way, I had posted another question in several other threads for you (Eric) and Nelson... regarding estrogen levels... didn't see a response.... I've seen you guys recommend that estrogen levels should be in the 10-20 range....when people posted that their E2 levels were in the 30's, you guys recommended that it should be a little lower.... I believe the "normal" range listed as a standard on blood-work is 3-70... can you tell us where you got that range from? Is it based on some sort of medical study? Just curious....thanks


I would generally recommend E2 being in the 15-30 range. It’s just the lower range of the average based on thousands of Quest blood draws. The bottom line is if your at 40 and you feel good then there is no reason to try and reduce it.

It sounds like your sort of asking about a “bridge” for your TRT NJ… which I would be more inclined to suggest Dermacrine for so you don’t completely let your hormonal platform fall from under you. I know you have tried various PCT protocols in the past without much success so your situation if a bit different than other guys where I would obviously suggest Sustain Alpha for PCT.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
I would generally recommend E2 being in the 15-30 range. It’s just the lower range of the average based on thousands of Quest blood draws. The bottom line is if your at 40 and you feel good then there is no reason to try and reduce it.

It sounds like your sort of asking about a “bridge” for your TRT NJ… which I would be more inclined to suggest Dermacrine for so you don’t completely let your hormonal platform fall from under you. I know you have tried various PCT - post cycle therapy - protocols in the past without much success so your situation if a bit different than other guys where I would obviously suggest Sustain Alpha for PCT.

-Pp

Thanks for the clarification... as for the Sustain, not looking for a "bridge" actually... I see Derma as a "building" tool, one that also makes you feel better all around.... I see Sustain as a "recovery" tool... so just wondering if there is any point in running Sustain during the let-down period after a cycle, and before getting bloodwork, for those on HRT... obviously only time will bring test levels down... I'm not sure Sustain will do anything to recover liver enzymes and lipids... the only other thing is regulating estrogen, which Sustain also does... so if only for that aspect of P C T, I guess I'm wondering if it's worth using.... since at that point you may not be running an A I anymore.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Thanks for the clarification... as for the Sustain, not looking for a "bridge" actually... I see Derma as a "building" tool, one that also makes you feel better all around.... I see Sustain as a "recovery" tool... so just wondering if there is any point in running Sustain during the let-down period after a cycle, and before getting bloodwork, for those on HRT... obviously only time will bring test levels down... I'm not sure Sustain will do anything to recover liver enzymes and lipids... the only other thing is regulating estrogen, which Sustain also does... so if only for that aspect of P C T, I guess I'm wondering if it's worth using.... since at that point you may not be running an A I anymore.

It would probably be worth it just for its libido and mood boosting benefits, plus the Sustain will still have the Resveratrol/benzoflavone based cardiovascular benefits, but if your looking to improve your lipid profile (HDL/LDL) then Toco-8 would be a more powerful choice for this.

-Pp
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Are there any recommended supplements for phosphatidylserine. I was looking around and only found phosphatidylserine complex which said it was 500mg per gelcap but that was 500mg of "complex" but only 100mg of actual phosphatidylserine. I don't want to have to eat 10 of them a day lol

100mg of actual Phosphatidylserine (PS) is what you'll find in most supps (even though it may have 500mg of Phospholipid Complex). Most of the studies done with PS have it used in the treatment of ADD and Alzheimer's disease (at a lower dose).

Here are a couple of athletic studies from PubMed done with emphasis on PS' ability to reduce cortisol. Both of these studies are using a dose of 800mg/day.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
 
Leprechaun said:
"For suppressing cortisol I suggest supplementing with 1000mg of phosphatidylserine"


Would that be a per day?

Yes, per day. Although the studies I posted were using 800 mg/day. And PP's upcoming PS supp will be dosed at 800mg.

Outside factors excluded, our cortisol levels are naturally higher in the morning and decrease throughout the day.

I would probably take it in the morning.
 
Primordial Performance said:
As an exclusive deal for Elite Fitness members only, Primordial Performance is extending $10 off AND free 3-day shipping on your order of $100 or more! To take $10 off your order just enter MVC10 into the promotional code field during the final checkout page.
Damn, I just orderd Alpha & Toco a few minutes ago then came to EF to read more reviews on it and found this! I really need to start paying attention to the stickies. Oh well, my order total was only ~$96 so not quite enough for the discount..

Looking forward to trying it out!
 
Who thinks this is real and who thinks this is BS ? I don't know but I have been in and out of the bodybuilding game for 17 years and I have seen sSOOOOO many products that were supposed to be amazing and 99% were later proved to do practically nothing. So I am a little skeptical.
 
joefitt said:
Who thinks this is real and who thinks this is BS ? I don't know but I have been in and out of the bodybuilding game for 17 years and I have seen sSOOOOO many products that were supposed to be amazing and 99% were later proved to do practically nothing. So I am a little skeptical.

Phosphatidylserine (PS) has been used in numerous studies and proven to reduce cortisol. Take a look at the 2 I posted earlier in the thread. They were specifically targeted as athletic studies with the desired effect being cortisol reduction.

Problem is it (PS) has usually been expensive. Something like $4.00 per serving of 800mg of actual PS. PP's PS is priced around $1.60 per serving of 800mg of actual PS. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

So, in short...YES, science has proven PS to be effective in reducing cortisol.
 
Are these supplements legal??? im in australia and want to know if I could get the sustain alpha etc. I knw of course I cant get the clomid and nolva. Any help would be great!:)
 
HDPT said:
Are these supplements legal??? im in australia and want to know if I could get the sustain alpha etc. I knw of course I cant get the clomid and nolva. Any help would be great!:)

Yes, all the products are legal, but we cant ship Dermacrine to AUS -- because of the DHEA.

Sustain Alpha is good to go though.

-Pp
 
I have yet to see ANY solid proof that This Dermacrine stuff does ANYTHING or that it's not packed w/ other hormones/ prohormones to mimic the effects it claims to produce. Where are the independant studies ? Who regulates this stuff ? What about lab numbers from NON paid posters ???
 
MADBALL99 said:
I have yet to see ANY solid proof that This Dermacrine stuff does ANYTHING or that it's not packed w/ other hormones/ prohormones to mimic the effects it claims to produce. Where are the independant studies ? Who regulates this stuff ? What about lab numbers from NON paid posters ???


Im sorry, but Dermcrine is packed with hormones/prohormones. Thats what makes it so effective.

BTW, none of the posters are paid.

-Eric
 
Primordial Performance said:
Im sorry, but Dermcrine is packed with hormones/prohormones. Thats what makes it so effective.

BTW, none of the poster are paid.

-Eric

Did you mail out checks yet? Mine must be late! Did you get that direct deposit setup yet?
 
It there a post cycle therapy method if you do not want to use HCG. All of the legit sources I know don't have that and I don't want to send a lot of money to a place that I don't know it's legit and plus I wouldn't want to inject anything im not sure is legit.
 
black_market said:
It there a post cycle therapy method if you do not want to use HCG. All of the legit sources I know don't have that and I don't want to send a lot of money to a place that I don't know it's legit and plus I wouldn't want to inject anything im not sure is legit.


If you dont want to use hCG, then keep your cycles short and sweet.

You can get away with not using hCG with cycles less than 6 weeks, but you have to use shorter acting esters for this, and/or orals.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
If you dont want to use hCG, then keep your cycles short and sweet.

You can get away with not using hCG with cycles less than 6 weeks, but you have to use shorter acting esters for this, and/or orals.

-Pp
Ok this is probably going to be "The stupid question of the day" but I was wondering if there was a sure way to tell if the hcg was real. For example testing the ph levels with litmus paper or something. I know it's a horrible question but there's that 1% chance that it isn't. Also is there another common name for this product that companies might call it? Thank you for your help.
 
black_market said:
Ok this is probably going to be "The stupid question of the day" but I was wondering if there was a sure way to tell if the hcg was real. For example testing the ph levels with litmus paper or something. I know it's a horrible question but there's that 1% chance that it isn't. Also is there another common name for this product that companies might call it? Thank you for your help.

If the reconstituted hCG makes a urine pregnancy test 'positive' then your hCG is good.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
If the reconstituted hCG makes a urine pregnancy test 'positive' then your hCG is good.

-Pp
Thanks a lot i guess it really wasn't a stupid question. I really appreciate your help.
 
Question. Haven't studies shown that prohormones actually can cause gyno? That being said, isn't PCT the wrong time to want to increase that chance? is the possiblitiy increased during PCT if using something like sustain alpha? or is it counter acted with the combo of clomid/nolva?
 
Sustain alpha doesn't have hormones in it. That is regular derma.
 
str8cubano said:
Question. Haven't studies shown that prohormones actually can cause gyno? That being said, isn't PCT the wrong time to want to increase that chance? is the possiblitiy increased during PCT if using something like sustain alpha? or is it counter acted with the combo of clomid/nolva?


We arnt suggesting the use of any prohormones for PCT. Our product Dermacrine contains prohormones, but we arnt suggesting its use for PCT.

Sustain Alpha(formerly known as Dermacrine Sustain) is the product we suggest for PCT. It controls estrogen and increases LH & FSH. It helps boost your natural testosterone production.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
We arnt suggesting the use of any prohormones for PCT. Our product Dermacrine contains prohormones, but we arnt suggesting its use for PCT.

Sustain Alpha(formerly known as Dermacrine Sustain) is the product we suggest for PCT. It controls estrogen and increases LH & FSH. It helps boost your natural testosterone production.

-Pp
cool. Thanks for the correction. Sounds good :)
 
02gixxersix said:
Are there any studies proving that this approach is better than HCG and Nolva?

Peer reviewed, placebo controled scientific studies? No, and you wont find any like that for an HCG/nolva PCT for steroid users either. The proof is in the pudding.

-Pp
 
So I used Post cycle and unleashed with sustain alpha. Good results. but now that I used the month supply Im starting to break out with acne again like right at the beginning of PCT. Does that mean my estrogen levels are rising again? I ran HCG, clomid and nolvadex as well. I think I am rocvered fully but I have no sex drive at all. I have had two hot girls around me begging for it and I just did not care. WTF?
 
snowyk12 said:
So I used Post cycle and unleashed with sustain alpha. Good results. but now that I used the month supply Im starting to break out with acne again like right at the beginning of PCT. Does that mean my estrogen levels are rising again? I ran HCG, clomid and nolvadex as well. I think I am rocvered fully but I have no sex drive at all. I have had two hot girls around me begging for it and I just did not care. WTF?

The Clomid and Nolva are likely suppressing your sex drive. How much are you using? And how much hCG did you use?

-Pp
 
snowyk12 said:
So I used Post cycle and unleashed with sustain alpha. Good results. but now that I used the month supply Im starting to break out with acne again like right at the beginning of PCT. Does that mean my estrogen levels are rising again? I ran HCG, clomid and nolvadex as well. I think I am rocvered fully but I have no sex drive at all. I have had two hot girls around me begging for it and I just did not care. WTF?

:rainbow:
 
Primordial Performance said:
The Clomid and Nolva are likely suppressing your sex drive. How much are you using? And how much hCG did you use?

-Pp

I used 500iu hcg EOD for two weeks around week four of a ten weeker EQ, test enth. then Clomid and nolva from AG for one month.

Have not taken anything for three weeks now.
 
snowyk12 said:
I used 500iu hcg EOD for two weeks around week four of a ten weeker EQ, test enth. then Clomid and nolva from AG for one month.

Have not taken anything for three weeks now.

When did you take your last shot? You may just be dipping into a low peroid right now if the AAS just cleared your system recently.

It wouldnt hurt to run a longer PCT too. (2 months on Sustain Alpha, with the low dose of clomid OR nolva)

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
When did you take your last shot? You may just be dipping into a low peroid right now if the AAS just cleared your system recently.

It wouldnt hurt to run a longer PCT too. (2 months on Sustain Alpha, with the low dose of clomid OR nolva)

-Pp

Shot of AAS was seven weeks ago. I have been off pct for three weeks now. Should I run another pct with clomid and nolva or just run the another prost cycle, unleashed, alpha and throw in the toco 8? I think my porlactin levels are up and Im starting estrogen rebound
 
snowyk12 said:
Shot of AAS was seven weeks ago. I have been off pct for three weeks now. Should I run another pct with clomid and nolva or just run the another prost cycle, unleashed, alpha and throw in the toco 8? I think my porlactin levels are up and Im starting estrogen rebound

If you have any clomid or nolva left, Id run 25mg ED (or 10mg of nolva) for another 4 weeks.

Or you can just go for the Testoterone Recovery Stack which has the Sustain Alpha, Toco-8, and EndoAmp in one package -- A sure fire way to get your test levels up and libido back.

Also, work on improving your insulin sensitivity by limiting carbo intake and keeping protein intake high. Also, try to get some sunlight. All of these things will help naturaly boost test levels.

-Eric
 
Primordial Performance said:
If you have any clomid or nolva left, Id run 25mg ED (or 10mg of nolva) for another 4 weeks.

Or you can just go for the Testoterone Recovery Stack which has the Sustain Alpha, Toco-8, and EndoAmp in one package -- A sure fire way to get your test levels up and libido back.

Also, work on improving your insulin sensitivity by limiting carbo intake and keeping protein intake high. Also, try to get some sunlight. All of these things will help naturaly boost test levels.

-Eric

I take waxy maize...should I stop taking it if I am suppossed to limit carb intake?
 
snowyk12 said:
I take waxy maize...should I stop taking it if I am suppossed to limit carb intake?

My friend takes waxy maize... I swear that stuff is just corn starch...

Anyway, I would just limit that to your after workout shakes.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
My friend takes waxy maize... I swear that stuff is just corn starch...

Anyway, I would just limit that to your after workout shakes.

-Pp

|All |I know is that it gives me amazing pumps if I take it before my superpump250. but its all carbs. I can lift what seems like forever when i take it though.
 
snowyk12 said:
|All |I know is that it gives me amazing pumps if I take it before my superpump250. but its all carbs. I can lift what seems like forever when i take it though.


if you think superpump250 is good try omegas stuff amplify02.
 
I swear my nips are getting puffy now. I did pct right and I have never had this happen after good pct. My prolactin may be up. I have need seen the anafit manboob kit around lately. That spray worked for me before.
 
snowyk12 said:
I swear my nips are getting puffy now. I did pct right and I have never had this happen after good pct. My prolactin may be up. I have need seen the anafit manboob kit around lately. That spray worked for me before.

It may just be an estrogen problem, and alot of times high estrogen is a result of excess body fat. (aromatase in fat tissue)

Your puffy or saggy nipples could easily be tightened up by reducing your body fat. (while also fixing an estrogen problem) Consider a high protein, lower carb diet for awhile.

What is your diet like right now anyway?

-Pp
 
LOL MY DIET IS SHITTY!!! about to change. just got a new apartement where I can eat clean like I want to. Between coming home from overseas and finishing up school I have been staying with parents. Mom cooks old style. Thick fattening shit and too many snacks for te grandchildren aroun the house find my hands. Going to be away for training for a month too so that will definately help. Push ups and military food. I cant wait to eat the way I want to again. I ate real clean when at college. Chicken chicken chicken!!
 
snowyk12 said:
LOL MY DIET IS SHITTY!!! about to change. just got a new apartement where I can eat clean like I want to. Between coming home from overseas and finishing up school I have been staying with parents. Mom cooks old style. Thick fattening shit and too many snacks for te grandchildren aroun the house find my hands. Going to be away for training for a month too so that will definately help. Push ups and military food. I cant wait to eat the way I want to again. I ate real clean when at college. Chicken chicken chicken!!

Sounds good bro.

Good luck.

-Pp
 
I just read my last post...damn I sound like a loser. LOL. I just didnt see the point of an apartment when I was geting deployed so much. I started school at 20 and just finished at 27. One weekend a month two weeks a year my fucking ass!!

Anyways, when I get the money I want to try the super lean stack. When I do Ill start a blog of everything I do and the progress. Its just going to be a month till I start getting the money from my new job. I'm A REAL CIVILIAN AGAIN!!! well, till I get called again.

Its like a yo-yo... Kill...Dont kill, Kill, dont kill. Great diet, Meals ready to eat, Great diet, Shitty food with fuckin curry. I hate KBR.
 
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