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The Mirror DOES Lie To Me....

Daisy_Girl

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So, for the last few months I have known I have gained weight (all fat), that is quite obvious. I've eaten bad, my workouts aren't great, etc. But overall, I thought I looked okay in the mirror - not good, but not terrible. Clothes are tight, but naked was okay.

Now I am REALLY going to get the butt in gear. I have some goals, set the plan, got everything ready. Now I just want to take some "before" pictures to chart progress. So I did that yesterday.

OH MY GOD I'M HUUUUUUGGGGGGGGEEEEE!!!!

It's hideous, really. The mirror has been lying to me! The pictures are totally different than what the mirror says. And I am normally a very photogenic person!

Moral of the story? Don't always trust the mirror. Take pictures. Go with how you feel and how your clothes feel. Mirrors suck. :(

But now I'm really motivated!
 
Good advice. We get used to seeing ourselves. For some reason, a photograph is almost like looking at a stranger so it delivers more of a shock to the system.

You'll get back to where you were before you know it.
 
I know what you mean. :mad: People always think they look terrible in pictuers though. (You are your worst critic.)

Good Luck on your goals and stick with them.:) I know I feel a hundred times better. I have never been so motivated.

If it helps put that photo up somewhere and look at it and use that as your motivation.

NDGirl
 
Yeah, think I might put up one of the pictures to remind me of what happens when I eat like SH*T!

My BF took some too - he is just as grossed out as I am....misery does love company though!
 
Hey DG,

I had the same experience recently. Weird, right? LIke i noticed my clothes were tighter, but I didn't think all that much of it until I saw my webcam pics...holy shit! I got fat!

Funny thing is, I weigh about the same. F*cked up thing is, that means I lost muscle and replaced it with fat. EEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK

I'm with ya hunny. Motivation, right?
 
Boy, I remember the days when life was so simple and uncomplicated that I had time to actually worry about how I looked in the mirror vs in a picture. It really doesn't matter how you view yourself, if YOU are doing the viewing, then your perception is going to be screwed up.

W6
 
Well, one thing good came out of this right? You've kicked it into gear so to speak. Go to it girl!:)
 
I am NOT photogenic and will refrain from doing this exercise...i will take your word for it and figure I look worse than I think....

all the more depressing.

And W6 -- my life is far from simple and uncomplicated and I still do worry about this stuff!
 
Daisy one more thing....unfortunately, photos are 2 dimensional and thus we end up appearing heavier than real life...remember the camera adds 10 lbs!

Lighting can also make photos less than flattering.
 
Yes, the mirror can be deceiving. When I was over 200 lbs I did not see it until I saw a photograph of myself. THAT photo is what made me realize how huge I'd become and how awful I looked to others. I was happy though and luckily my husband never made me feel bad about my weight. He's worked with me and trained me, helping me make the changes I've wanted to do. It's really helpful if you have a caring and supportive partner.

Keep your fat picture where you can see it. I've got a few around the house here...they're great inspiration! I also used to have a sign up in the kitchen with photo's of some of the women from EF that I used as inspiration. I also carried around some pictures of myself in my pocket callendar from when I was thinner to keep myself motivated when I wasn't home.

It seems that the more in shape I become, the more faults I find with my body. When I was fat I wasn't nearly as critical of myself as I am now. The saying "Fat people are jolly" fit me perfectly. I hardly ever cried or became even remotely depressed. Now, I look in the mirror and cringe, and spend many hours a month feeling unhappy with my body to the point where I can't hold back the tears. Oh well...I'll keep workin on it till I'm pleased with what I see in that damn mirror. I knew when I started to get into shape it'd be a long ass journey but lately it's been seeming like a really steep hill I'm trying to climb and it's soooo slow going.
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:

It seems that the more in shape I become, the more faults I find with my body. When I was fat I wasn't nearly as critical of myself as I am now. The saying "Fat people are jolly" fit me perfectly. I hardly ever cried or became even remotely depressed. Now, I look in the mirror and cringe, and spend many hours a month feeling unhappy with my body to the point where I can't hold back the tears. Oh well...I'll keep workin on it till I'm pleased with what I see in that damn mirror. I knew when I started to get into shape it'd be a long ass journey but lately it's been seeming like a really steep hill I'm trying to climb and it's soooo slow going.


OMG MRSPUDDLES -- Have you crawled inside my head???!!! These words are just exactly the way I feel lately.
 
I *think* when my smaller clothes fit last spring & I had cut body fat after gaining muscle, that I was happier with my body.

Unfortunately for me the motivational tactic of looking at my fat-photo does NOT help me. It's just that I KNOW that one more or less workout & one more or less crappy meal will not make a big difference. In order to lose the fat, it's got to be ongoing... meal after meal after meal being healthy. Sometimes that's such a daunting task & my jeans seems so far away that I think, FUCK IT - what's another cookie? I just don't want to fight this fight right now, I just don't have the energy.

It's only less than 15# that I gained, but the only way I can get back down is to be super-strict with food & that's what's hardest for me - always was.

I also can't believe how much more difficult it is to lose these 15# than it was to just MAINTAIN where I was before!!! :bawling: I didn't have to be super-strict all the time then.
 
I take the opposite view ladies, i don't think the mirror ever lies. Rather, you are not being objective enough in how you see yourself in the mirror.

A picture can tell a different story each time you take one, depending on quality of film, lighting, positioning etc.

I don't weigh myself, i don't measure bodyparts and i don't take bodyfat measurements. I solely use the mirror as my guide. I have become objective enough to assess my progress or lack of simply by using the mirror.

I guess it comes with knowing your body.
 
Gladiola said:
I *think* when my smaller clothes fit last spring & I had cut body fat after gaining muscle, that I was happier with my body.

Unfortunately for me the motivational tactic of looking at my fat-photo does NOT help me. It's just that I KNOW that one more or less workout & one more or less crappy meal will not make a big difference. In order to lose the fat, it's got to be ongoing... meal after meal after meal being healthy. Sometimes that's such a daunting task & my jeans seems so far away that I think, FUCK IT - what's another cookie? I just don't want to fight this fight right now, I just don't have the energy.

It's only less than 15# that I gained, but the only way I can get back down is to be super-strict with food & that's what's hardest for me - always was.

I also can't believe how much more difficult it is to lose these 15# than it was to just MAINTAIN where I was before!!! :bawling: I didn't have to be super-strict all the time then.

That is interesting, isn't it? So much easier to maintain than lose. And far easier to gain fat than lose it.

I feel you, that whole post, I feel you.
 
wilson6 said:
Boy, I remember the days when life was so simple and uncomplicated that I had time to actually worry about how I looked in the mirror vs in a picture.
W6

Maybe I am being over-sensitive today (very likely), but I am taking offense to this comment. I am not so superficial and boring that this is all I care about. If that were so, I wouldn't leave my house. How I feel I look does have a big impact on me - but so does what I can accomplish. I am a graduate student and I obsess over my grades. I teach 3rd grade, I obsess over that. My life is neither simple nor uncomplicated, yet I still care (and yes, obsess) about how I look. Go figure.
 
AMEN SISTERS!!!

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It seems that the more in shape I become, the more faults I find with my body. When I was fat I wasn't nearly as critical of myself as I am now. The saying "Fat people are jolly" fit me perfectly. I hardly ever cried or became even remotely depressed. Now, I look in the mirror and cringe, and spend many hours a month feeling unhappy with my body to the point where I can't hold back the tears. Oh well...I'll keep workin on it till I'm pleased with what I see in that damn mirror. I knew when I started to get into shape it'd be a long ass journey but lately it's been seeming like a really steep hill I'm trying to climb and it's soooo slow going. [/B][/QUOTE]


Couldn't agree with you guys more! Puddles-you are quite lovely i assure you! This has been happening to me too! HAHAHA What's up girls!!!! I've been changing my routine so much from over training to over kill to junk food to being sick to finding something to help. LOL! Get that anyone??? :rolleyes: Anyhow... I recently seen a picture of me at a girlfriends house before we went to dinner at a salad bar restaurant. OMG OMG i almost tipped over! I said GIRL! was that me!!!!:bawling: She said yep :( I said YOUR AS ASS for not telling me! hahaha... Well i wanted to get in "better" shape for summer, and as you said my love(puddles) it only gets worse when you fit and trim. When i was fat i was JUST fine... walking along fat and jolly!, now. i weigh so little and look in the mirror and say "OMG! im gaining weight" my jeans are tight.. (i wear a size 3) a 5 wouldn't kill me. Moral of this story is

Daisy... were all here with ya lady! Dont even trip.. It's always going to be an ongoing battle. SO as i say... Either make the best of it? make it work.. Or DONT DO IT AT ALL...

gee that is so hard to actually do:rolleyes:

Smoothches girls!
 
Hey friscochick-

I read your posts and feel like I am the one writing them. I get soo depressed about the way I look too. I cried the past two nights, I think mostly because I'm grumpy and overtrained. My boyfriend doesn't understand, but I told him he'd be depressed too If he dieted for 8 weeks, felt like shit , lost a bunch of muscle and hoarded fat. At 15% I look better than many women out there , yet I never seem to please myself. I guess I'll just keep on truckin. Eventually I'll get to where I want to be .
 
I think perhaps a lot of the sentiment on this thread can be attributed to the season.

DAMN COLD! :cold:

Anyone else sadder in the winter from SAD= Seasonal Affect Disorder? :wavey: I know I am!

Spring can not come soon enough! I'm already starting to feel more peppy & happy.
 
Gladiola said:
I think perhaps a lot of the sentiment on this thread can be attributed to the season.

DAMN COLD! :cold:

Anyone else sadder in the winter from SAD= Seasonal Affect Disorder? :wavey: I know I am!

Spring can not come soon enough! I'm already starting to feel more peppy & happy.

Fortunately, I live in the middle of the desert and it is 78 degrees and sunny. No SAD here.

While I cannot speak for the other women, I am not depressed about my "condition", I know I gained fat and I know why. I slacked off my workouts and ate shitty food. I don't like the way I look, but I know how to remedy it too.

I was just shocked at how I looked in the pictures! I was so surprised at the difference in what I see in the mirror and in pictures.
 
spatts said:
OK, I know this could cause a shit storm, but I truly ask this out of concern (and confusion). Is being lean worth more than being happy? Would you rather be hungry and ripped and miserable, or kinda lean, enjoying moderation, and happy?

I hate the thought of someone at 15% body fat crying herself to sleep. What good does it do to work for a hot body when you're too sad going to bed to want to share it with someone?

I'm gonna bet you're all a helluva lot hotter than you think, and even hotter with a smile. :)

...and if you need some reassurance, I'll send you pics of MY fat a$$. :D

I really agree with you spatts. Being ultra-lean is not worth it if you can't enjoy LIVING. I know we all have to make sacrifices to meet our goals (fitness wise, professionally, educationally....), but no goal is worth being totally miserable ALL the time IMHO.

And we ARE our own worst critics.
 
I'm not sad all of the time, I just have my moments every day and sometimes those moments last longer than others. I love the way I look in clothes now, but it's frustrating when all of the cute jeans I like are lowrise and I can't wear a short top to go with them. Living in Florida with it's warm climate just dictates less clothing. Gimme a tank top and a pair of shorts and some sandals and I'm thrilled. But, it's the body parts that only I (and hubby) see on a daily basis that kill me. I get out of the shower every morning and have a huge wall of mirror that I can't hide from. It sucks, but it does keep me motivated. I don't want to be skinny, just a lot better than I am currently. Is it worth the frustration and tears? So far I'd have to say yes. It's kinda like childbirth, it's painful, you want it to be over, it seems like it will never end, but then when it's done it's all been worth it.

I guess the closer we get, the more critical we become. Then the frustration comes on even stronger when the progress slows, comes to a stand still, or even goes the opposite way, then all of the hard work you've done for months and years seems lost. But, we gotta remember that it's a temporary loss, do not give up, and keep focussed and strict with diet and training and things will head in the right direction again.
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
I'm not sad all of the time, I just have my moments every day and sometimes those moments last longer than others. I love the way I look in clothes now, but it's frustrating when all of the cute jeans I like are lowrise and I can't wear a short top to go with them. Living in Florida with it's warm climate just dictates less clothing. Gimme a tank top and a pair of shorts and some sandals and I'm thrilled. But, it's the body parts that only I (and hubby) see on a daily basis that kill me. I get out of the shower every morning and have a huge wall of mirror that I can't hide from. It sucks, but it does keep me motivated. I don't want to be skinny, just a lot better than I am currently. Is it worth the frustration and tears? So far I'd have to say yes. It's kinda like childbirth, it's painful, you want it to be over, it seems like it will never end, but then when it's done it's all been worth it.

I guess the closer we get, the more critical we become. Then the frustration comes on even stronger when the progress slows, comes to a stand still, or even goes the opposite way, then all of the hard work you've done for months and years seems lost. But, we gotta remember that it's a temporary loss, do not give up, and keep focussed and strict with diet and training and things will head in the right direction again.


Again MrsPuddles, you are in my head.......

Good words...great sentiment...excellent spirit.
 
spatts said:
OK, I know this could cause a shit storm, but I truly ask this out of concern (and confusion). Is being lean worth more than being happy? Would you rather be hungry and ripped and miserable, or kinda lean, enjoying moderation, and happy?

I hate the thought of someone at 15% body fat crying herself to sleep. What good does it do to work for a hot body when you're too sad going to bed to want to share it with someone?

I'm gonna bet you're all a helluva lot hotter than you think, and even hotter with a smile. :)

...and if you need some reassurance, I'll send you pics of MY fat a$$. :D


Spatts -- fantastic reply....along the way, we raise the bar for ourselves and forget to look back. But these words are most down to earth, motivational and truthful. I was physically nodding and saying ..."Exactly what I needed to hear".
 
"I am a graduate student and I obsess over my grades. I teach 3rd grade, I obsess over that. My life is neither simple nor uncomplicated, yet I still care (and yes, obsess) about how I look. Go figure."

Nothing to figure, you just laid it out D_G. So, does obsessing make life less or more complicated? And, how does that affect stress levels that in turn affect body composition (i.e., less muscle and more fat) that in turn drives more stress. In addition, does the chronic obsessing about other areas of your life help, or complicate matters overall. For many of you stress drives eating and that adds even more to the problem.

Now you're getting at what I was trying to evoke with my seemingly smart-ass comment.

Ditto with SPATTS reply.

There are times when everyone should step back and consider how; what you do and what you think negatively affects the goals you seek.

Too many times we come to each other’s rescue on this board with words of support versus trying to resolve the underlying problem. Sort of like one anorexic telling another it is OK to be anorexic because they are as well, rather than saying hey, there's a problem here we need to solve together.

Certainly we are all going to be far more anal about how we run our lives than the average sedentary fat ass American, and that labels us as freaks, but when we become freaks within the group of freaks, then it is time to reflect about how far we want to take this. It is OK to be better than the norm, but when it becomes pathologic within our own circle, there is a problem.

Most of us have many things happening in our lives, yet we desire to stay in shape. At some point, when the desire to stay in shape becomes an obsession that is counterproductive, then is it a problem not a positive goal. It becomes a distraction that limits our potential in other areas of our lives, including our fitness goals.

I obsessed about grades in grad school, but I eventually found out that the less I obsessed, the better I did and the less stressful the exams became. Ditto with body composition and other areas of my life. The more I worry, the harder everything becomes and the less productive I am.

W6
 
Although I am NO WHERE near in shape as most of you ladies too, I did also work my way down from 200+ pounds and some 40-something body fat, and it DOES seem like I was a hell of alot happy with myself and my life when I was fat.

Now that I'm closer to "normal" (size 8-10/25%BF) and in "okay" shape - it seems like nothing is good enough and I hate looking at myself in the mirror more now - and hate shopping for clothes more now (though not being able to buy anything in the "women's department" anymore is pretty cool).

I do have some of my fat pictures, and it does me a world of good to look at them once in a while and think "there, but for the grace of atkins, eades & weider, went I".

On the other hand, I miss cooking.

I swing between the two - 1) I should work harder and 2) at least I'm better than I was.

Fawn
 
Along the same theme of obsessions. I was thinking of some of the recent threads of how some of you have run yourself into the ground with training obsessively in hopes of a positive outcome. However, the outcome was......NEGATIVE....

Need I say more.

W6
 
wilson6 said:
Along the same theme of obsessions. I was thinking of some of the recent threads of how some of you have run yourself into the ground with training obsessively in hopes of a positive outcome. However, the outcome was......NEGATIVE....

Need I say more.

W6

Good Morning W6-

I think that you are so benificial to these threads and are a huge positive help. I read your posts, and wanted to say that i agree with your concern to running ourselves into the ground, and losing site of what the fitness life is supposed to be about. However, we are woman.. plain and simple, and some of us have come ALONG ways to get where we are, and had to have that obsession to get through such extremes. Some of us, never worked out before, some have,and are just simply tired. Why aren't we allowed to cripe a bit? To hear eachother's stories, so that we see we aren't the only woman out there like us that have these trails and tribulations? I totally understand what you are saying and am a firm believer of tough love but sometimes woman need this... We need to see and understand that were not the only beautiful woman out there with problems, we dont need to be fat and ugly to have issues. It's a tough life to lead, the one we all live on these boards, it's not for everyone. That is what makes us special and i'm sure we all know that, but from time to time, we like to hear from others with the same lifestyles how they get through it.

SO, having said all that, Do you have a soultion besides buck up and take it how it is? for us to pratice so that we dont need to bother anyone with or whining? I didn't see any positive excercises to practive to be more positive in our lifes in your above posts?
 
I don’t think you’re getting my point.

There is a difference between obsessing and being focused on a goal. Obsessing about something when it interferes with daily living or sleeping is pathologic, setting goals and achieving them within the context of normal daily living activities is healthy.

The problem with us in America is that we have it way too easy. Do you think women in Afghanistan are concerned with whether or not they can fit into a size 4 or 6 dress? Do you think they spend nights crying or contemplating suicide about gaining 5 lbs. Want perspective? Spend an evening thinking about those far less fortunate than us then you’ll realize that issues we fret about are trivial in comparison. Every time I start with the self-pity shit over some trivial matter, I think about others in the world that don’t even have a toilet to shit in. That clears my head in a hurry. Here’s an exercise to try, go see “Tears of the Sun”. Wear a pair of jeans that are a little tight, perhaps something that makes you look fat before leaving for the show. Then see how long that stress lasts once the movie starts.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t vent about our problems, but we should also collectively search for solutions and keep the issue of body image in perspective to other issues in life. Because for many women living in third world countries ruled by dictators, body image is the last of their worries. Being a male, “getting over something and moving on” is how I deal with things. Females are different and this is clear since I deal with them every day. But I often use the example I just discussed with my female clients when those that are otherwise fit and healthy whine of body image issues, one because there really isn’t any other simple answer, and two because it is the best way to get their head out of your ass and back on a course of reality.

You should all be grateful that you have the ability, knowledge, physical capabilities and resources to change the way you look in a positive manner. There are many that would give anything just to be able to get a solid meal let alone worry about washboard abs or how they look in a particular set of clothes.

In the big scheme of things, if you have your health, a job and a roof over your head, you really don’t have any serious problems. In fact, just your health is enough, the rest is self-motivation.

W6
 
Point well taken..

And yes alot of us lose sight of how fortunate we are that we live here in America, and have so many opportunities.

I've always seen where you were going Wilson, what i was trying to get through to you was, sometimes we need to vent that's all. It sounds like you see this everyday in your line of work i'm assuming so yes, for you i'm sure it get's tiresome and even irritating. We are selfish sometimes and spoiled, i'll agree, but what makes America so great, is our freedom to speak to say how we feel. Your comment/statment was well taken and i'm sure appreciated for it's honesty and truth, I love to see your drive for reality and setting us straight. So that we can see what we have and i think your right on target!! You have been heard that is for sure. I'm confident that all that read these posts have had second thoughts... But let's just chlak it up to a lil girl talk and move on...

End of story, regardless THIS IS LIFE and sometimes we need to be a little petty.

PS: Thanks for helping us see another very important view! :) :)
 
Like Frisco said, can W6 or someone else give some suggestions as to how to handle the obsessive nature of the sport?

Quoting W6 here:

"Along the same theme of obsessions. I was thinking of some of the recent threads of how some of you have run yourself into the ground with training obsessively in hopes of a positive outcome. However, the outcome was......NEGATIVE...."

I know I had a negative experience with overtraining and injuring myself, but it's such a learning process we have to go through to figure out what's right for each of us independently. I would NOT go so far as to say that the outcome was negative! Frustrating, yes, but in the bigger scope of things I've made more positive changes to my body than negatives. I now know what the word "overtraining" means and will avoid it from now on. It caused a physical setback which in turn caused emotional turmoil.

Does obsessing make life less or more complicated? Obviously it makes life more complicated, but if I skip a work out, if I eat that cookie, if I fail to look in that mirror and see reality, then I will fail. Each little thing adds up, it's all cumulative. Just one turns into two and before you know it, everything's out of wack. Without the constant badgering going on inside my own head, I'd go off track, this I know from past experience.

I do this for ME. Not for other people and not because I care about how others view me. Everyone that I care about loved me when I was fat, and I don't care what strangers think of me. I'm not in it to compete, I simply want to feel good about what I see in the damn mirror and in order for that to happen, it takes some serious dedication to change the body I've had for so long. After nearly 2 yrs of working at it, I'm not tired of it at all, I love it, I enjoy the way I feel by eating clean and excercising and I plan to continue this way. I know that when I take a week off, I don't feel well, I'm sluggish, my mind isn't as focussed, and I gain weight rather quickly. If I take one week off from strict eating (not pigging out, but more like 2 or 3 cheat meals a week instead of just one) and lifting, I gain a quick 5 lbs. and it's not all water unfortunately. I don't obsess over the numbers on the scale but I do use them to see my progress. I've been hovering between 140 and 145 since last summer but the bf keeps dropping, clothes keep getting bigger, so I know I'm on the right track. Right now the scale is saying 150.6 and I'm retaining some water (a few days ago it was at 154.5 but I used a diruetic to help manage some the PMS bloat and more will come off naturally in a few days). So, in the past month I've probably added about 5 lbs of fat due to injury and illness making me stop lifting...I'm back in the gym for the 2nd week now and today was the first day I felt like I was getting back to the former me and I walked out smiling and called my husband to share the good news.

Fawnmarie...I hear ya on the missing cooking part! I'm an awesome cook and now I eat grilled chicken and burgers and canned salmon and chicken most of the time. Grrrrrrrr! I just got back from spending a week at my best friend's house and she asked me to cook some of my old dishes for her and her family. It was soooo enjoyable! Both the cooking and seeing everyone enjoy my food. I grew up surrounded by Italians in New York and food was a major part of daily life. I guess it was about 2 months ago that I decided to try to get more creative in my healthy cooking and although it's not as enjoyable as the old days, I've figured ways to find a middleground, make up some new dishes and still keep the meals healthy. I've even figured out how to make Chinese chicken fried rice in a healthy way using brown rice. Just mess around with the stuff you know you can have, mix up ingreedients, look for new stuff at the grocery store, you might be surprised. :)
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
Like Frisco said, can W6 or someone else give some suggestions as to how to handle the obsessive nature of the sport?

Quoting W6 here:

"Along the same theme of obsessions. I was thinking of some of the recent threads of how some of you have run yourself into the ground with training obsessively in hopes of a positive outcome. However, the outcome was......NEGATIVE...."

I know I had a negative experience with overtraining and injuring myself, but it's such a learning process we have to go through to figure out what's right for each of us independently. I would NOT go so far as to say that the outcome was negative! Frustrating, yes, but in the bigger scope of things I've made more positive changes to my body than negatives. I now know what the word "overtraining" means and will avoid it from now on. It caused a physical setback which in turn caused emotional turmoil.

Does obsessing make life less or more complicated? Obviously it makes life more complicated, but if I skip a work out, if I eat that cookie, if I fail to look in that mirror and see reality, then I will fail. Each little thing adds up, it's all cumulative. Just one turns into two and before you know it, everything's out of wack. Without the constant badgering going on inside my own head, I'd go off track, this I know from past experience.

I do this for ME. Not for other people and not because I care about how others view me. Everyone that I care about loved me when I was fat, and I don't care what strangers think of me. I'm not in it to compete, I simply want to feel good about what I see in the damn mirror and in order for that to happen, it takes some serious dedication to change the body I've had for so long. After nearly 2 yrs of working at it, I'm not tired of it at all, I love it, I enjoy the way I feel by eating clean and excercising and I plan to continue this way. I know that when I take a week off, I don't feel well, I'm sluggish, my mind isn't as focussed, and I gain weight rather quickly. If I take one week off from strict eating (not pigging out, but more like 2 or 3 cheat meals a week instead of just one) and lifting, I gain a quick 5 lbs. and it's not all water unfortunately. I don't obsess over the numbers on the scale but I do use them to see my progress. I've been hovering between 140 and 145 since last summer but the bf keeps dropping, clothes keep getting bigger, so I know I'm on the right track. Right now the scale is saying 150.6 and I'm retaining some water (a few days ago it was at 154.5 but I used a diruetic to help manage some the PMS bloat and more will come off naturally in a few days). So, in the past month I've probably added about 5 lbs of fat due to injury and illness making me stop lifting...I'm back in the gym for the 2nd week now and today was the first day I felt like I was getting back to the former me and I walked out smiling and called my husband to share the good news.

Fawnmarie...I hear ya on the missing cooking part! I'm an awesome cook and now I eat grilled chicken and burgers and canned salmon and chicken most of the time. Grrrrrrrr! I just got back from spending a week at my best friend's house and she asked me to cook some of my old dishes for her and her family. It was soooo enjoyable! Both the cooking and seeing everyone enjoy my food. I grew up surrounded by Italians in New York and food was a major part of daily life. I guess it was about 2 months ago that I decided to try to get more creative in my healthy cooking and although it's not as enjoyable as the old days, I've figured ways to find a middleground, make up some new dishes and still keep the meals healthy. I've even figured out how to make Chinese chicken fried rice in a healthy way using brown rice. Just mess around with the stuff you know you can have, mix up ingreedients, look for new stuff at the grocery store, you might be surprised. :)


hmmm.. good post P baby! Question, what do you use for the bloating? i'M CURIOUS TO KNOW SINCE I HAVE THIS SAME PROBLEM! That would be a great help!

Frisco:)
 
Frisco, normally I don't use anything for bloating as I know it'll go away in a few days. This month was an exception and it became uncomfortable to simply make a fist, so I took a prescription diuretic that my father gave me. He's got serious health issues that dictate the use of diuretics. Dandelion root is supposed to be good for keeping your water retention in check, and I know that asparagus is a good diuretic. I used the Dandelion root when I was on cycle and never experienced any serious bloating.

W6, I agree that there are more serious issues in the world than the ones we're complaining about and I know how fortunate I am but I am an American, therefore I have had the opportunity to better my life and I choose to do so but sometimes I'm gonna get pissy about it when I'm struggling, especially now when I'm PMS'ing. My current emotions are way outta wack and I will go from smiling and cheerful to near sobbing or strong anger at the drop of a hat. I deal with this monthly and it really sucks. I'm usually a very positive person and I tend to keep my pissy moods to myself but this thread is a good place to do some venting and sharing with other women who are either feeling the same way or who have some good ideas on how to help. It helps to know that you're not alone.

As for “getting over something and moving on,” that's easy to do in some situations such as a job loss, a car accident, a failed test, but not this one. It's a constant battle and it will be for the rest of our lives. It may not be an important battle to anyone else, but it is to us.
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
Frisco, normally I don't use anything for bloating as I know it'll go away in a few days. This month was an exception and it became uncomfortable to simply make a fist, so I took a prescription diuretic that my father gave me. He's got serious health issues that dictate the use of diuretics. Dandelion root is supposed to be good for keeping your water retention in check, and I know that asparagus is a good diuretic. I used the Dandelion root when I was on cycle and never experienced any serious bloating.

W6, I agree that there are more serious issues in the world than the ones we're complaining about and I know how fortunate I am but I am an American, therefore I have had the opportunity to better my life and I choose to do so but sometimes I'm gonna get pissy about it when I'm struggling, especially now when I'm PMS'ing. My current emotions are way outta wack and I will go from smiling and cheerful to near sobbing or strong anger at the drop of a hat. I deal with this monthly and it really sucks. I'm usually a very positive person and I tend to keep my pissy moods to myself but this thread is a good place to do some venting and sharing with other women who are either feeling the same way or who have some good ideas on how to help. It helps to know that you're not alone.

As for “getting over something and moving on,” that's easy to do in some situations such as a job loss, a car accident, a failed test, but not this one. It's a constant battle and it will be for the rest of our lives. It may not be an important battle to anyone else, but it is to us.

You are soooo right my love! So where do you get dandelionroot?? Never heard of taking it??
 
MrsPuddles you wrote:

"As for “getting over something and moving on,” that's easy to do in some situations such as a job loss, a car accident, a failed test, but not this one. It's a constant battle and it will be for the rest of our lives. It may not be an important battle to anyone else, but it is to us."


I happen to agree. And I agree with W6 as well. While other countries do have situations of grave nature and I am sympathetic and compassionate to those and while I am the first to agree that we as Americans are spoiled and take what we have for granted....I also will not downplay the stress to achieve and be and succeed that has driven this country for centuries. It is inherent to our culture and our way of life -- it is WHAT we know.

Part of me accepts W6 comments and nods my head in agreement. But the cold harsh reality is, we are all working toward fitness and physical perfection (each person of course going towards their own genetic perfection).....and to say it is not a big deal takes the wind out of the sail, so to speak.

To say we have other more important worries while true, is almost irrelevant. I sincerely doubt there is ONE person on this board who can honestly say, it is no big deal -- "just another lift I could not do today at the gym" or "just another 5 lbs of love handles to work off". It is most certainly ludricous.

If that were the case, there would be no competitive spirit -- there would be no reason for it -- whether in a competition or against oneself.

We do what we do not for the nobility of being just healthy.....there is a visual factor attached. And since we are visually stimulated as a culture...at times it can affect even the most worldly and well rounded individual.

To work sooo hard at something and to have all the work produce no results -- whether in school, at work, in relationships OR even in one's appearance or fitness goals -- is frustrating no matter how you slice it. There is not a person on this board who has not pushed his/her limits to achieve their own level of greatness.

We are just venting. Now -- do I go to bed depressed and feel like I do not want to get out of bed -- NOT ME. There is not a morning that I wake up and thank god that I am awake (especially after my brush on 9/11). Does it annoy me when I cannot squat what I want YEP....or where the jeans I like -- YEP -- or get my delts to pop -- YEP. Does it define who I am , NOPE.
 
We are just venting. Now -- do I go to bed depressed and feel like I do not want to get out of bed -- NOT ME. There is not a morning that I wake up and thank god that I am awake (especially after my brush on 9/11). Does it annoy me when I cannot squat what I want YEP....or where the jeans I like -- YEP -- or get my delts to pop -- YEP. Does it define who I am , NOPE. [/B][/QUOTE]

haha like that! Short but sweet! ok guys i need to know where to get a good diaretic or something to help with bloat, besides dandelion , is there anything else.. and where can i get this stuff? I'm eager!:D
 
Dandelion root can be found at any health food store or drug store. For it to be effective you really need to drink tons of water too.....otherwise it does nothing.

I get only minimal relief from it (I have not had a period in months so it is not PMS bloat I suffer from).
 
newgirl said:
Dandelion root can be found at any health food store or drug store. For it to be effective you really need to drink tons of water too.....otherwise it does nothing.

I get only minimal relief from it (I have not had a period in months so it is not PMS bloat I suffer from).

Thanks for the advice :)
 
Hi all interesting discussion here.

I too use to obsess on all this shit.

Life is too short to postpone happiness. I can assure you that it can not be found anywhere but in the present.

I have been down to single digit bodyfat, was I any happier -nope not one bit.

Eventually every one of you will find this for yourselves.

So look straight into the present moment and live for that. There is no where else.-valerie
 
Although what valerie and W6 have said is 100% the truth, it does not necessarily help folks who are not practiced at living in the here and now, or who have already developed compulsive or obsessive habits. I dunno how you can break those thought processes once thery're formed. It takes at least as much dedication and willpower (and knowledge and assistance) as dieting and getting to the gym every day. I was MUCH less happy when I was in the single digit %BF than I am now, and this realization is incredibly empowering when you come to accept that most folks are attracted to you for your personality rather than your body. To be healthy, happy and helpful are personality traits that cost you nothing (and pay off in the long run) and can be life-long gifts. To be lean, sexy and muscular is a transient state, and won't last for life unless you're planning on a young death. Set realistic goals for your body AND mind.

The poorest of the down trodden of the world prolly don't have easy access to mirrors, scales, glossy fashion mags, and they often walk around completely covered in baggy clothing 24/7. Western culture is not like that. But I find the best attitude I can adopt whenever I feel myself potentially getting stressed about something (anything really, my work, my body, my relationships, money...) is to ask myself "is this a life threatening situation which deserves a stress response"? The answer is ALMOST always no, and putting things in that perspective knocks evrything else into place and allows me to sleep well at night, which is when I grow new muscle and exercise my brain on a different level. Motivation and stress are not the same. I can be highly motivated to climb to the top of a steep hill with a heavy pack on my back, and this type of exertion undeniably elicits an acute stress response which is necessary to get up that hill. But it does not cause chronic mental or physical stress, and when I reach the top of that hill I can breathe a sigh of relief and move on to the next challenge without dwelling on how hard THAT hill was to climb, or how hard the NEXT hill will be to climb.

A book I highly recommend on this topic is: Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers: An Updated Guide to Stress, Stress-Related Diseases, and Coping by Robert M. Sapolsky.


Don't hold the title of some of his other books against this author ("The Trouble With Testosterone" wouldn't be a best seller on the anabolic's board, although it might strike a cord with a lot of the women around here LOL).
 
Your 2nd paragraph nails it MS. That's what I was trying to say, but my little male brain couldn't get the words straight.

Great discussion ladies.

and...I don't think anyone here has a "problem with testosterone" unless its fake of course, but I doubt that's what the book is about ;)

W6
 
Frisco, I think OTC products like Midol and Pamprin have mild diuretics in them. I don't know how good or bad they are for ya though, especially if you're working out.

I don't consider myself obsessed. I don't compare myself to others really. Where my unhappiness lies is probably more of a guilt trip for ever having let myself get so huge and stay that way for so long that now as I'm making all of these positive changes to my body and lifestyle, I look in the mirror when I'm naked and see things I hate that I never had before. Breasts that sag like that of an old woman and a loose belly, wrinkly and full of stretch marks. The only way to fix these problems is with surgery which has its risks. No one else sees these things on me except for my husband and he's really the sweetest person in the world and is willing to help me in any way he can. He does not see the saggy belly like I do, I guess I'm my own worst enemey with this issue. But when I lay down to go to sleep and I'm mushing a boob when I turn over, or every time I put a bra on I need to adjust my nipples so that they're both pointing in the same direction I just absolutely hate it. When I was fat my boobs were big and full, they fed my daughter and I was happy. Now, during the course of the day they will shift inside my bra and let me tell you, when you work retail and get a chill and you get the high beams going and one nipple is pointing one way and the other is in a totally different direction, it's very embarrassing. I'm not talking an inch different either...it's very obvious that something's way off. Solution #1 is to wear a padded bra but the ones I have found are all low cut and if I bend over at the waist my boobs will litterally fall out. Surgery will correct this, but I'm frustrated with trying to find the right doctor, the cost, and having to wait until I'm at a bf% that I will maintain because if I do it too soon and drop more weight then the problem will reoccur. So, I've been dealing with shifting boobies all day long for months now and it just gets to be more than I can handle at times so I cry. So, it's not a world crisis, but it's a crisis to me. W6 does not have breasts so he can't understand where I'm coming from. I would imagine if it was his penis he'd be more sympathetic.
 
This thread really hit home with me...a poor self-image can be a terrible thing. I know that i can attribute my poor self-image to various things that have happened in my life. But i do realize that there are others who have had it worse--for sure.

It's all relative!

My "battles" are a big deal for me and I'm sure your "battles" are a big deal for you. Sometimes all you want is someone to listen and tell you that you are okay....just my 2 cents worth.
 
I always have to be obsessed with something. Right now, it's junk food. I'm trying to refocus that obsession on something else, or find something harmless to obsess over (acquiring Leonard Cohen's back catalogue of albums, for instance), that will help me achieve my goals for leanness.

I eat tons of junk yet do not GAIN weight. Which makes me think I'd slowly get nice and lean without the junk. But I obsess over my next dose of sugar. I've spent all my money this month though on junk so I'm going to have to do without my sugar fixes until April (need the remaining dosh to buy a belt for a contest).

I hate looking at myself in the mirror. I am getting more muscular, but due to my sugar addiction, not leaner (and yes, I know what I SHOULD eat, spatts has told me on here many times, it's a question of actually going and doing it).

I know that if I was 15% or so I would move down two PL categories (currently 69kg, I think I could manage it to 59, which is at the top of the second next one down)..... I don't want to be skinny, I want to be ripped and muscular...
 
So, Circusgirl, by reading the above post I now assume that is NOT you in your avatar. I'm highly dissapointed.

:FRlol:
 
Wow, this thread has gone a long way. Very good advise from everyone.

I have to keep telling myself that everyone is different. Everyone has their own build and their genetics are different. I know I will never be a size 4 and that is fine. I don't want to and my build wont allow it.

Some times I ask myself is it worth it. (yes, I know that it is) Its just that I see some woman, plus my sister get so upset about the way they look. They have come so far and yet it is not good enough. You set one goal and its not good enough, so you set another and yet it still is not good enough. When is it going to be good enough? I know for me it is when I can look in a mirror and then look at my picture and smile and say shit I look good. Better then I ever have. I know there is ALWAYS room for improvment, but we should try not to make it an obsession.

To Mrs. P: You are a beautiful woman. If that is you in the avatar you look wonderful. I know you have your own goals and you will reach them. Give it time. As for your boobs I hear you on that one. :D

And for Spatts you are one deep person. I admire that. The "Alice" hit it right on the head for me.

Good luck to all you women. I can only imagine how beautiful you all are.

that is just my 2 cents

NDGirl
 
Thank you, ND. :)

The boobs...I've been complaining about them to my best friend for months now. She lives in another state so I hadn't seen her since last year. So I go up there for her Mardi Gras party and with her being my best friend, I figure I'd show her why I'm so pissy. Gotta love the honesty between best friends, I show her by just dropping a boob out from under my bra and she says "OH SHIT! You really DO need that work done!" I'm like, "Thanks a lot, I love you too." It's all good with her though, we laughed. She's heavy but content. She says that if what happened to me might happen to her she's gonna stay at the size she is. LOL I love her positive attitude about herself. She's a one in a million.
 
Well- It's been two days since I posted that I was depressed reply. I'm happy to report that I am feeling a lot better. My week off has helped out a lot. I'm definitely ready for spring.

You are right spatts- you shouldn't sacrifice hapiness for looking good. I think I have that type A obsessive compulsive personality that sometimes gets the better of me. I shouldn't be so selfish!
 
I feel ya on the boobs MrsPuddles. I have lost about twenty pounds in the past year and a half and gone from a 36 D to a 34 C.

It is so not cute.
 
OK...so I'm in a better mood too here! You know...venting does help. Like my friend said, I look better than most women my age when I am IN clothes so for that I'm happy. :) I wonder what would happen if I covered up my big bathroom mirror? I may try that for a week. Maybe a nice sheer fabric treatment. Hubby can use my vanity mirror to shave.

Spatts...what I wouldn't give to be able to go braless and just wear an undershirt!!! You get no sympathy from me. :rainbow:

I am envious of women who are smaller chested though and who can get away wearing a little tank top with a shelf bra and not be bouncing around. I've contemplated just getting a lift without implants which would put me at a B cup but I'm just so used to having bigger boobs, I don't think I'd be happy with that look on myself. We have another couple staying with us for the weekend. She's a few years older than me but her boobs are little. She's in her pj's now and I can't tell a difference between her not having a bra on and when she did earlier. I don't think small chested women realize what a small blessing it is to be able to go braless.

Boobs...can't live with em, can't live without em. :)
 
Wow - that is what I thought spatts was talking about. The board won't be the same without spatts taunting those with biggies.... :) Congrats spatts! Will we get to pix of those....? :p
 
spatts said:
I think I'm going to go for the full sha-bang in either July or November. :D


Oh well.....I have often admired you Spatts for your comments on being "mammory challenged" (I think that is YOUR phrase!) and not seemingly bothered by the lack of boobage.

While I was UNfit but thin, I ranged from a 36C to 34D...depending on the 10-12 lbs I would carry up and done. I was always average sized in clothes but the bodyfat level was fairly high (cardio bunny no muscle).

Now, at more wieght, I am about 34B (alittle snug in the cups but Cs are too big)...but I cannot wear a cut tank with a shelf bra -- they have this nasty shape to them -- and they look deflated.

I had just about felt better about them after constantly reading Spatts posts .... now I hear she may do something about that.

I look down at these girls and say -- oh well! Hmpf....well Spatts if you do the whole sha-bang -- GOOD FOR YOU. Don't put it off until you are my age.....go, do and enjoy them.

You will though post an artful avatar showing those puppies off, won't you...after all we have seen the booty!
 
It's not a for sure thing...I still waffle about it now and then. The problem is, I don't care if I'm flat chested or not, that's not the problem. The problem is I have small amount of tissue that gets squished down and outward by my pecs as they grow. I have two giant squares on my chest (pecs) with a small amount of "tissue" at the bottom outer quadrant...the only "boobage" I've got. It looks more like a man with gyno than a flat chested woman. Flat wouldn't be so bad, but this almost looks like a malformation. I would expect any man with gyno, or a woman who has had a mastectomy and is left with saggy skin and nipples, would want to undergo surgery. My two main considerations are sprinting and benching. I figure if Jill Mills can sprint/bench/roll atlas stones up her massive chest, I can too.
 
I hear you.....and I understand the visual. If I were in my 30s, I will go for it -- and it is not so much as having breasts that are sexy and large....it indeed is correcting the lack of tissue that I now have ..... as I become more and more fit, they look more and more like stretched out deflated balloons.

I just feel I am too old to even care about it at times to bother with the surgery.
 
newgirl said:
I just feel I am too old to even care about it at times to bother with the surgery.

You are NEVER too old you make yourself happy! :D Unless you're a day away from dying, you got tons of time left to enjoy the body! Even then, if something (anything!) will make you happy, you should look into it.
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
I am envious of women who are smaller chested though and who can get away wearing a little tank top with a shelf bra and not be bouncing around. I've contemplated just getting a lift without implants which would put me at a B cup but I'm just so used to having bigger boobs, I don't think I'd be happy with that look on myself. We have another couple staying with us for the weekend. She's a few years older than me but her boobs are little. She's in her pj's now and I can't tell a difference between her not having a bra on and when she did earlier. I don't think small chested women realize what a small blessing it is to be able to go braless.

Boobs...can't live with em, can't live without em. :) [/B]


I agree. i went from a 36D down to a 34B and i way prefer the smaller ones, when there real and big, the hang.. they hurt when you run, and the bra selection sucks!

Spatts-maybe just a lil help? I'm sure they can help you with just a slight change, nothing to crazy. My girlfriend had zero chest and she went to a B and look cute and perky!:D
 
Friscochick said:



Spatts-maybe just a lil help? I'm sure they can help you with just a slight change, nothing to crazy. My girlfriend had zero chest and she went to a B and look cute and perky!:D

Yep...that's exactly what she wants.

She says she'd love to be a perky 36A, but they're not even that. Also, she is very narrow, and she's "test-driven" boobs, and anything above a large B looks hideous.

The closest thing that would fit her is a 40A, which is no fun to shop for. Not to mention putting a circular bra over a square chest. It just doesn't stay in place; it moves around.

Whenever she looks at before and after pics of augmentation, she'd almost always be happier with the befores.
 
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Spatts, I hear ya on the pec muscle thing. My pecs are beginning to stick out nicely (hubby even pointed out a new vein popping out last time we did chest), but the deflated baloon thing under them sucks! I turn sideways in the mirror and am still in shock at what I see...pecs sticking out almost as far as my boobage but it's a lotta deflated balloon with me still being a D cup. :( After a lift I'd be a B! I was lookin at 425cc's which will bring me back to a DD/DDD but then I look at Frisco's post about bra selection...I don't think I've seen many pretty or cute 36DDD bras out there. And at a 36 I can wear it on the tighest hook so I might even be down to a 34. I just don't know what to go for. Grrrrrrrrrr! When I was 17, a size 9 dress, I was a 36DDD so at the age of nearly 37 I can't imagine myself going much smaller as it just doesn't seem natural for me. Decisions, decisions!

Newgirl...age shouldn't be a factor, just happiness. If you're content as you are, then stay where you are. If you're not, just think, you may very well live into your 90's and that gives you MANY years to enjoy!

Candi, strange men ogling...I've been used to that since I was a kid, I just ogle back at them. ;)

A little comment of thanks...thanks to everyone for being so open and honest here. Knowing we're not alone in living and dealing with these emotions and physical problems and having friends to share it with makes it more managable.
 
And implants might shorten your bench stroke :D .

My French penpal had breast reduction surgery, on the public health, as hers were causing her back problems.SHe's 5ft0, about 100lbs, and was a 34DD. They were WAY out of proportion to the rest of her. She's now a 34B I think.

BTW, my avatar is a UK comic book character. I picked my avatar as a joke as a bunch of the guys over on chat were challenging each other to see who had the most ripped looking avatar.... and I decided I liked the avatar after all.
 
MrsPuddles you are right -- this has been a great thread...every enlightening, encouraging and empowering.

And yes, my pecs side view stick out more than my breasts.
 
HI Everyone!

I've been reading all comments today...All I can say is that all of this has been really helpful to me...To see others struggling with the very things that I struggle with is a RELIEF!! Sometimes you think that you are the only one going through all this crap...I don't have alot of girlfriends that train like I do, so they just have NO clue about the dieting, the training, etc. and what it can do to your moods, your personality, etc. I sometimes feel guilty obsessing over my body and looks (and yes, I do that ALL the time now - it comes with being involved in the wonderful world of bodybuilding and fitness!)...however, when one is in this sport, that comes with the territory, therefore, I try and make sure that I am balancing my obsessiveness so as to not let it take over my life (the training and dieting do that easily...haha), but I also realize that it comes with the 'job' so to speak, so is it so wrong? I am working towards a goal and I have to be the best that I can be and that is all that I can work towards, and yes, if I can piss and moan about what a pain in the butt it is to diet, etc. then I think it's great that there are others out there that I can do it with and that are going thru the same sh-- that I am!!:angel:
 
I'm with the rest of you.

Last night was my friend's b-day and she had the most HURT look on her face when I said I didn't want cake (and there were two- one at dinner and one at her place before we went out dancing). She really felt like it was a slap in the face or something! I ended up eating the freakin thing just to keep the peace (okay let me not front like I'm a martyr- it was a cheesecake from Junior's and it was SO DAMN GOOD! JEEEEEZ!). Then, the restaurant that they chose didn't have anything on the menut hat I was comfortable with but I had to get something, and it seems like everytime I talk about going to the gym or lifting weights they just all zone out.

It's kinda frustrating that NO ONE in my life understands or really supports my efforts. My Mom and I had a FIGHT last weekend when she demanded that I:

a. stop going to the gym

b. stop drinking protein drinks

I love them all but it would be nice if they could try to understand...
 
lovelyivy, I get the same thing when I turn down sugar and alocohol around family and friends.

I just let them get over it. :)
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
A little comment of thanks...thanks to everyone for being so open and honest here. Knowing we're not alone in living and dealing with these emotions and physical problems and having friends to share it with makes it more managable.

I second that thank you...support is something that makes a huge difference in sticking with it.:finger2:
 
Yeah they are still my friends and fam. Can't live without em, lol.

It's just funny because of the reactions. When I weighed twenty pounds more and ate like a pig there were no problems and comments, but now that I eat like a person and exercise regularly there is a problem????

Of course it goes both ways- I notice things now about how they eat or exercise/don't exercise, and while I don't say anything I think that it does get reflected sometimes in my attitude.

We'll all adjust I guess. The interesting part of all this will be when summer rolls around and I get to show off what all that work with weights, etc. has done for me.

Hee! Looking forward to all the questions about what I eat/how I exercise that will never be followed up on already...
 
Re: HI Everyone!

figuregrl said:
I've been reading all comments today...All I can say is that all of this has been really helpful to me...To see others struggling with the very things that I struggle with is a RELIEF!! Sometimes you think that you are the only one going through all this crap...I don't have alot of girlfriends that train like I do, so they just have NO clue about the dieting, the training, etc. and what it can do to your moods, your personality, etc. I sometimes feel guilty obsessing over my body and looks (and yes, I do that ALL the time now - it comes with being involved in the wonderful world of bodybuilding and fitness!)...however, when one is in this sport, that comes with the territory, therefore, I try and make sure that I am balancing my obsessiveness so as to not let it take over my life (the training and dieting do that easily...haha), but I also realize that it comes with the 'job' so to speak, so is it so wrong? I am working towards a goal and I have to be the best that I can be and that is all that I can work towards, and yes, if I can piss and moan about what a pain in the butt it is to diet, etc. then I think it's great that there are others out there that I can do it with and that are going thru the same sh-- that I am!!:angel:

Well Welcome!!! We will help as much as we can! As you can see, we all have differant opinions that help everyone feel like they can relate! Glad your here!:)
 
First of all ... I NEVER judge myself by what I look like in a picture. This is for several reasons. One, look at people you like, people you don't think look bad or even particularly fat, and then look at photos of them. Don't they ALWAYS look worse?? My mother is not that big in person, but on film she always looks like a blimp. And the difference in pictures I look good or bad in is not weight (one of my best looking photos is one at my highest body weight ever!), but pose, lighting, hair, and makeup.

The camera lies big time. I am interested in costuming, so when the Star Wars Magic of Myth exhibit was at the Smithsonian, I went there to see the costumes. I couldn't BELIEVE how shabbily made they were!!! I took some close-ups of really cheap, burlap-type fabric, with really rough looking seams with visible tattered threads, in order to take these photos home and remind myself, when I despaired that I couldn't ever make an outfit look as good as the movies, what those clothes really looked like close up.

And what happened??? The camera erased the cheapness and sloppiness as if by magic!! Those costumes came out looking every bit as first class as they did in the movie theater!! Which just goes to show you, film is *not* an honest critic. Think about it. Does *your* mom look more like herself in person, or more like herself on film? Life isn't the movies or a magazine, it's what's standing right in front of ya.



I was sad when I read this:

It seems that the more in shape I become, the more faults I find with my body. When I was fat I wasn't nearly as critical of myself as I am now. The saying "Fat people are jolly" fit me perfectly. I hardly ever cried or became even remotely depressed. Now, I look in the mirror and cringe, and spend many hours a month feeling unhappy with my body to the point where I can't hold back the tears.

and:

I read your posts and feel like I am the one writing them. I get soo depressed about the way I look too. I cried the past two nights, I think mostly because I'm grumpy and overtrained. My boyfriend doesn't understand, but I told him he'd be depressed too If he dieted for 8 weeks, felt like shit , lost a bunch of muscle and hoarded fat.


Ladies, please. LISTEN to the fat girl.

HOW DO YOU THINK I GOT TO BE THIS FAT???

By judging myself by how I LOOKED only, comparing myself to some glorified magazine ideal, and considering nothing else!!!

Folks, I used to be ALMOST 100 LBS lighter than I am today!!! I spent half my day every other day on exercise, and then I ruined it looking at things with that kind of attitude. I began to feel, more and more, "What's the use? I HATE EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF WHAT I'M DOING, and I'm never going to *look* the way I want to anyway!! Nothing is working, nothing makes any difference, and I hate it, so why do it??" Then I went into complete exercise and food rebellion, and even though I am doing better these days, it appears to be too late ... not much is coming off.

I keep trying to get this idea through the thick heads of the people on the C&C board who keep trollin' the NAAFA board, but they can't quite appreciate the wisdom. Maybe it will make more sense here:

When your only measure of how you are doing on your fitness program is "What I LOOK LIKE," especially when it's "What I look like AS COMPARED TO THAT WOMAN OVER THERE, that other bodybuilder, my friend ZsaZsa, or that celebrated actress, you leave yourself NO WAY TO WIN. No matter how far you progress, no matter how much fat you lose, no matter how much weight you train yourself to lift, no matter how much you inprove your diet, your attitude becomes more and more and more CRITICAL. You pass the first milestone, and it isn't enough. No, no, suddenly you must look like this other person or that other person. Your arms are OK, but your legs really oughta look like so-and-so's. So you get THERE. And you're STILL not happy. You've raised the bar again. And it goes on and on and on and on, and always the only thing you can find to say to yourself is this constant, demoralizing repetition: "NOT GOOD ENOUGH, NOT GOOD ENOUGH, NOT GOOD ENOUGH, NOT GOOD ENOUGH ..."

Folks, there is no way to stick to anything under these circumstances. You need wins, or the whole thing becomes constant punishment with no payoff. And I don't know about you, but when *my* life is nothing but Constant Punishment With No Payoff, I don't find that sustainable. I can't keep going. Why should I??? It's Constant Punishment With No Payoff!!!

I have resolved never, never again to judge myself by What My Body Looks Like. That way I always win. I am exercising now, and even if I never lose another pound again for the rest of my life, I will continue to exercise, because I am not feeling demoralized by not having lost the weight. I am working out for other reasons, and that makes it INTRINSICALLY MOTIVATING!! Yeah!!!

But if I ever do lose weight, and you have to hold me to this, I am still not going to judge anything by how I look, because then comes the tendency to become super critical and the Slow Slide Down begins.

Ladies. I am sure I am the only person on this board who weighs close to 100 lbs over what she used to. In the Weight-and-What-It-Looks-Like Department, NONE of you is doing as poorly as I am!!!

Appreciate who you are. Appreciate the body you have. Appreciate all the fucking hard work you've done. It's good enough. You're fine.

If you can't tell yourself that, ever in your whole life, prepare to get REALLY big one day, 'cause that is how it works out.
 
lots of good stuff Troll...

now, how do you keep progressing without driving yourself to madness?? most of the ladies here on the boards are here to excel, not remain the same as today...and a lot of them (myself included) are very competitive.
 
It seems to me that if you just allow that you do *something* right once in a while, it would be a step in the right direction!

(joke)

No, seriously, from what I've read about motivation, the first step most people don't take is to accept themselves the way they are today.

I mean, come on, some of you have done SO much work here it makes my head spin. What's wrong with acknowledging that? That doesn't mean that you don't have goals you would like to reach. What it does mean is that you pursue those goals feeling *good* about yourself, happy, and energized, instead of saying, "I am nothing but a maggot ... nothing I do is right."

I don't know, some of the Famous NAAFA Troll Brigade swear that they motivated themselves to impossible heights on nothing more than the strength of "I hate myself." Maybe some people can actually get something accomplished that way.

When I try to do that, I personally can't do shit.

That's why I am a member over there. If you start out liking yourself the way you are, you have a lot more positive energy to carry you forward as opposed to all these bad feelings dragging the wind out of your sails. AND you don't feel worthless if you don't happen to reach your goal. That doesn't mean you aren't motivated to do more ... it just means you left the pain stick at home in the closet ...
 
Hi ya, Troll. :)

I don't think we think badly of ourselves here. I think it's mearly a matter of some frustration at not reaching our goals YET. Yes, I cringe when I look in the mirror naked, but when I'm dressed I'm thrilled with my progress. I don't think "I am nothing but a maggot ... nothing I do is right." I am proud of my accomplishments in all areas of my life, including becoming healthier. At one point I weighed 214 lbs and I'm 5'3". 7 years ago I was put on very high doses of high blood pressure medication which caused me to feel tired all of the time and it slowed my metabolism. As I dropped weight and became more active I was able to lower the doses. I'm now completely off them as of about 2 months ago and I feel better than I have since I was a kid. I also suffered from bad diverticulitis which is minimal now because of the changes in diet that I learned here on EF.

I had accepted myself as a jolly fat person. That only lead me to become more unfit and unhealthy, it did nothing to create motivation. I remember the day I went shopping and bought the new size 22 dresses. I thought to myself, oh well, I'm a little bigger this year, no problem. That was sooo wrong. I'm forever thankful that I saw myself in a picture and made some major changes in my life. I'm now able to do things I couldn't do when I was heavier, I can go out all night and not have sore feet, even when wearing 6" fmp's. I can run up and down the stairs like it's nothing instead of asking my daughter to do it for me. The list could go on forever.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your body but my experience has been wonderful. I don't ever want to return to my former body because overall, I'm happier now.

A note on Victoria Secrets...I refuse to shop there no matter what size I am because they don't carry any panties or other stuff, not even robes, beyond a size Large. When I was still heavier my husband had given me a gift certificate there and the only thing I could use it for was stockings. At the time I wore a 40DDD and they didn't even have a bra to fit me, and I could have worn an XL in other stuff but their stores don't stock them, you'd have to order from their catalog and pay s/h. I just think that's wrong! It's like they're saying if you're fat you need to shop from our catalog because we don't want you IN our stores. That attitude was even evident on the saleswoman's face. Witch!
 
Puddles that was a wonderful post. :)

I have to tell ya, you are one hell of an insperation. For a woman that has gone from 214 to 150 (I believe that is right from what I have read) at 5'3 is wonderful. It shows how much dedication you have. Great job.

I know I have said all this before it just helps hearing stories like yours. Sorry, if I keep going on.

By the way, you have one hell of an ass. ;)


NDGirl
 
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
PS. Obviously no one is shopping at Victoria's Secret. I wear size 38D, and I LOVE their bras!!

I have ordered from VS even though they ship internationally via UPS only and I end up paying duty on the orders - because they have a NICE selection up to 36D. Most larger sizes here are really lacy and lumpy, I prefer "younger" styles (the satin bras in hawaian floral print for instance) despite my ample chest.
 
Thank you for the post, Troll, I needed to be reminded. I try to think that way but have got off-course lately. I do much better by enjoying my achievements and using them as a motivational base to do more than by beating myself up over lapses.
 
Troll, I have to agree with you on that some woman don't accept themselves for who they are.

I have to say though that most of these woman on here have high goals and at times it gets a little frustrating when you aren't there yet. I know right now I am frustrated. I have been at this goal for almost two months know. I am sticking with it, but at times I look at myself and think man I still look the same. When I now that I don't. I am firmer and I have to keep reminding myself that I am building muscle that is way I still look a little big. I have started doing Spatts cutting diet last week and it helping out a lot. (thank you Spatts) :)

You will see that on the womans board we will post a thread and it ends up like this one, once in a while. Just so that we can all vent and let it out. We are like family here. Even though I am new. These ladies have taught me alot. They have motivated me and inspired me in so many ways.

I am glad you are sticking with it Troll. It is hard, and you will struggle at times. Just know that all of us are hear and cheering you on.

Good Luck on everything

NDGirl
 
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I know that most of you folks have a positive attitude about what you're doing.

But Puddles. Please.

Is that you in your avatar???

How can you POSSIBLY not like yourself naked????

You are being wayyyy too hard on yourself. I bet you are beautiful.

You and I are different. I couldn't do shit as far as getting in shape UNTIL I accepted my body the way it is. The way I look at it, I have just inhaled some magic substance that will prevent me from ever gaining or losing another pound. No matter what I do, I will always weigh and look the same. That, however, does not excuse me from exercising and trying to eat better, because I am going to be alone at age 80 and having to take care of myself, at the poverty level no doubt and with no money for health care, and diabetes and heart disease aren't going to help me do that.

So, if I gain weight ... I still have to exercise!! If I lose weight ... I still have to exercise!!! And if it gets too easy ... I have to change the programme so I am doing more!! If motivation is COMPLETELY uncoupled from the way I look, then I never stop exercising ... right??

I understand many people use hatred of the way they look today as a motivating factor. But me, if I ever see 150 again, I think I'll skip the hating the way I look after losing ... oh, 70 lbs?? To me that makes NO sense at all.

Women are trained from birth to hate their bodies in the mirror. Cut yourself a grain of slack, girl!
 
Why do I hate the naked mirror immage...because after all of the hard work, my boobs sag to the point that I look like an old lady and my belly looks like I just gave birth, all soft and mushy and it sags, not to mention the array of stretch marks I got when I was pregnant that look worse now since the skin is wrinkly by them. I can't wear high cut panties or bathing suits because of the lower belly problem. I also fall out of lower cut bras. It's just sooo damn frustrating.

I've been planning on a tummy tuck and a breastlift with implants for months and having difficulties finding a doctor who's work I like and who I can afford.
 
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MrsPuddlesFL said:
Why do I hate the naked mirror immage...because after all of the hard work, my boobs sag to the point that I look like an old lady and my belly looks like I just gave birth, all soft and mushy and it sags, not to mention the array of stretch marks I got when I was pregnant that look worse now since the skin is wrinkly by them. I can't wear high cut panties or bathing suits because of the lower belly problem. I also fall out of lower cut bras. It's just sooo damn frustrating.

I've been planning on a tummy tuck and a breastlift with implants for months and having difficulties finding a doctor who's work I like and who I can afford.


Troll- When were acertain size and never think we can reach a certain point we ALL say that we would be happy if we could just SEE that "certain" size. The truth of the matter is, when you work your ASSHOLE off and you do see results and YES your happy, but you still have problems as you did when you were bigger. Your thin, but you still cant wear the cute lil clothes that you want to wear. Your thin, but you cant wear that bikini. SO it is something at that point that you say MAN! When will i ever win at this game??

Puddles doesn't hate herself nor do I... Actually we both are very pround of how far we have come, but there are issues sometimes that we just need to vent out, it makes us feel a sense of ease to hear other stories like our own... Some people call it Petty... I call it Therapy.:)
 
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I call them TROPHIES.

If you hadn't lost the weight, you wouldn't have the skin folds.

Favorite quote from a woman with gray hair: "Yes, I'm keeping it gray!! I worked hard for every damn one of them!!"

LOL. That isn't to say you shouldn't have plastic surgery if you really want it. Go for it and good luck.
 
LOL Trophies! Funny. ;) I used to have bowling trophies...they got rusty so I threw them out.

I've had gray hair since I was 16. I'm 36 now and about 50% or more gray in the hair that borders my face....I've been dying it since I was 18. A couple of years ago I let it grow out so that about an inch of root was showing just so I could see how gray it had become...I was so shocked I laid my head on the scanner and took a pic, then promptly went to the drug store, bought some color and it's been covered again since then.
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
LOL Trophies! Funny. ;) I used to have bowling trophies...they got rusty so I threw them out.

I've had gray hair since I was 16. I'm 36 now and about 50% or more gray in the hair that borders my face....I've been dying it since I was 18. A couple of years ago I let it grow out so that about an inch of root was showing just so I could see how gray it had become...I was so shocked I laid my head on the scanner and took a pic, then promptly went to the drug store, bought some color and it's been covered again since then.

lol!
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
LOL Trophies! Funny. ;) I used to have bowling trophies...they got rusty so I threw them out.

I've had gray hair since I was 16. I'm 36 now and about 50% or more gray in the hair that borders my face....I've been dying it since I was 18. A couple of years ago I let it grow out so that about an inch of root was showing just so I could see how gray it had become...I was so shocked I laid my head on the scanner and took a pic, then promptly went to the drug store, bought some color and it's been covered again since then.

You are so funny! :) The mental image I get is very funny looking... laying your head on the scanner and taking pictures. :)
 
Daisy_Girl said:


You are so funny! :) The mental image I get is very funny looking... laying your head on the scanner and taking pictures. :)

Yeah...it makes me laugh every time I think about it too. LOL I had sent that picture to my best friend and she got a kick out of the mental image of me doing it too. What can I say...sometimes ya feel like a nut! :rainbow:

Sidenote...I talked with my husband and today I'm gonna make the call to get my breast augmentation surgery done. I'm so damn nervous, scared and excited. I sat here and looked over his website for an hour and I'm just having such jitters...all I need to do is pick up the phone. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
 
Believe me, I do appreciate it. I've wanted a lift since I was 17...damn genetics! So...after 18 yrs. of wanting, believe me, getting this done is more than appreciated. For financial reasons I have to hold off on the tummy tuck, but I know it'll be done eventually...hopefully within a year.
 
you go girl! good luck with the surgery and please let us know how you are doing...I've been "tittie" shopping the past few months but probabaly won't be able to do it for another year.

:lil k:
 
Thanks for the support. I'm still so damn nervous! This morning I asked my husband to bear with me for the next few weeks while I deal with my emotions.

Below are two links to pages I put together last night. One is about my boobs and shows why I need the surgery...keep in mind that even in the first set of "natural" pictures I have a tank top with a shelf bra....they get worse with no support at all. The last set of pictures there is the bra I wore last summer, currently stuffed with 4 pairs of winter socks which is the look I want to achieve with surgery. Although I'm only 5'3" I'm wide so they seem to fit me well. The second link is just a compilation of pictures of my weight as it's changed. The last picture, my current avatar shows me at 150 which is now lower...I was suffering from a 5 lb. pms water bloat but I still like the picture. :)

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/mrspuddlesfl/BreastsBeforeAugmentation.jpg

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/mrspuddlesfl/ProgressGroup.jpg

I've said it before, but thanks again to all of the wonderful ladies on this board...without them I wouldn't have been able to accomplish as much as I have. I love lifting and look forward to it being a part of my life for many years to come!
 
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