The good the bad the realistic

[CSB]

so i have always believed a cycle should be a positive influence in your training and in your life generally , but as we try diferent compounds and combinations and how it effects us as individuals that is not always the case as we chase our goals and dreams of physical domination

a bit of background, i dont generally come off anymore , i prefer the blast and cruise method, my reasons boil down to me 18 years ago at the age of 16 starting AAS with zero real guidance , knowledge of the endocrine system and PCT was pretty much non existatnt , i am still healthy but my natural test system is somewhat depressed naturally .

i have over the last 2-3 years had forced layoffs from everything ranging from a few months to my last layoff recently of a year , none of those layoffs had pct , reasons for the layoffs ranged from a difficult divorce that saw me shattered and lose motivation for everything , to a couple motorbike accidents that saw me recovering from injuries for a long time. but i bounced back .

each time i bounce back, 1 compound makes me feel ontop of the world and helps me redirect my life, and thats little old test in whatever form , immediatly my mood, body , appetite for life returns , i get results quickly and effectivly .

i have tried many different compounds, and what makes the most impact whatever my goals is test

that said ....

the best i have ever felt and looked in my life was ;

gh 5iu ed 6 months
test 1g a week - a long while
tren a 700mg a week 12 weeks then switch to eq 12 weeks
t3

the synergy between the gh and the test was incredible in my sense of well being , and by and large cancelled out the negative effects of the tren (which yes i did on occasion feel) its somehow changed the moodiness and aggression to a focussed and positive aggression where it counted , my libodo was through the roof, but not where poor unsuspecting maltese poodles werent safe , but intimacy took on a whole new meaning

on the flip side the worst i have ever felt is now ;

sust 700mg a week
tren e 400mg a week
anadrol 100mg ed

i have zero appetite, havent slept in 2 weeks , the lethargy and uncomfortable feeling sucks, i also have changed from relying on shakes to solid meals, so i am forcing down every 2 hours big amounts of food which is unpleasent to say the least , and the low point came this morning when i went in to train chest , 4 sets in i got up and walked out, i had no energy left in the tank. i am niether in a good mood or a bad mood , libido is up and down like a rollercoaster which i piut down to mood swings , the combo of anadrol and tren for me is a step to far mentally , i am very happy with my results , i am up 14 lbs in just under 2 weeks, hardly any fat, some water though.but its come at a price


so thats my ramblings for today , try always look for combos that will hopefully work for you in the best way possible, thats positive to you and those around you, those extra 2-3 lbs in a cycle to me are sometimes not worth 3-4 months of unpleasentness

what i have learnt in all of this

Test is best !!!!
Diet is more important than you can ever imagine (and aside from genetics i firmly believe the pro's ability to find what works for them nutritionally and there ability to follow it day in day out is what seperates us from them)
I like woman


any particular cycles that have made it all worthwhile ? or ones that have been a step to far ?

 

[wannabuildmuscle]

I haven't had any lows like that while on, just only highs. but i can only say i have tried dbol, anadrol, test c, test e ranging from 400mg ew to 900mg ew.

 

[CSB]

I haven't had any lows like that while on, just only highs. but i can only say i have tried dbol, anadrol, test c, test e ranging from 400mg ew to 900mg ew.

i must admit i generally always feel good, for me personally on this one, its the combo of tren and anadrol which doesnt gel with me , in general life is good so no external stresses etc which might be influencing my motivation

 

[phenom16]

That sucks u feel like that bro. Hey at least you know your gear is legit!! I'll be starting a new cycle in the next week or so to replace the bunk gear I've been on. I'm going to shoot for sust and tren e also and was thinking of anavar or tbol to jumpstart it. Hopefully you've pinpointed adding the drol to the tren has made u feel like that. You can get rid of the drol and maybe feel better. Good luck csb!!

 

[CSB]

Phenom u sure now it's bunk gear ?was holding thumbs it wasn't because there was positive signs it was good ?

 

[phenom16]

Yeah I'm as sure as you can be. I should get the test results back today or tomorrow. But on 750 mgs of sustanon a week and 500 mgs tren e a week and to only gain 2 total lbs? I'm someone who can put on weight very easily. I'm eating plenty and training like a madman. The only sides I have are acne on my stomach (which would happen injecting any oil into your body). My sex drive has been way up which I definitely attribute to hcgenerate. Totally sold on this supplement. But no sides from the tren at all? Just doesn't add up man. I put on like 6 lbs then lost 4 after 5 complete weeks of this cycle.

 

[CSB]

that sucks , i hope your next lot will be 100 %

i am stuck now on what to do next after my current cycle, whether to switch to test prop tren ace and masteron and cut or whether to just change up diet and cut on sust tren e and save a wack load of money , then back off and cruise awhile before repeating the process maybe with diferent compounds depending on goals .

 

[GrownUp]

State of mind is very important when you decide to get on cycle, I try to be very motivated before I go on, make sure all my affairs are in order and a little ephedrine, caffeine and salicylin could go a long way buddy.... Granted test always makes you feel good, but even that can change if you are depressed, not saying you are but hey, consider it....

 

[CSB]

State of mind is very important when you decide to get on cycle, I try to be very motivated before I go on, make sure all my affairs are in order and a little ephedrine, caffeine and salicylin could go a long way buddy.... Granted test always makes you feel good, but even that can change if you are depressed, not saying you are but hey, consider it....

very true , thankfully all is in order i think , state of mind wise lol

i use a small amount 1 cap of eca before gym, not even that helped this am , think just burnt out from lack of sleep

the lack of appetite is the most concerning , i need to eat , nothing shatters motivation than lack of results lol

 

[stevesmi]

while on i want to breed as many times with as many women as possible and all i want to do when i wakeup is have sex and workout.

while off my life is normal. usually halfway through my cycles i get sick of the above, after all this isn't 10,000BC where i can fight and have sex all the time, i actually have to run a biz and live a normal life with responsibilities today lol.

every cycle has been unique in its own way but the best feeling cycle i ever had was dbol/sust/deca. classic mass and strength gainer cycle. i was up at 6am and starving.. i ate a ton.. went to the gym and pumped iron. then came home and ate more... i felt good 24/7.

 

[Judo Tom]

ill never do a cycle again that makes me feel like crap! F that.

Test only is great so I can always and I do mean always use test and enjoy it.

I will stick with test as a base and only in mild / safe compounds in and keep the dosages on the low side so i dont have to deal w/ a ton of sides.

 

[CSB]

while on i want to breed as many times with as many women as possible and all i want to do when i wakeup is have sex and workout.

while off my life is normal. usually halfway through my cycles i get sick of the above, after all this isn't 10,000BC where i can fight and have sex all the time, i actually have to run a biz and live a normal life with responsibilities today lol.

every cycle has been unique in its own way but the best feeling cycle i ever had was dbol/sust/deca. classic mass and strength gainer cycle. i was up at 6am and starving.. i ate a ton.. went to the gym and pumped iron. then came home and ate more... i felt good 24/7.

agreed 100 % think you best described how a perfect bulker should feel

Judo most definitely but we live and learn, for me tren on its own as an aggressive steriod was acceptable but have now learnt the addition of anadrol in my case has made the start of this cycle unpleasant and has gone against what steve has just described, its working against me in the most important areas, that being sleep and diet

 

[stevesmi]

my problem with tren is i always was thirsty and de-hydrated on it.. it really annoying having to drink and piss so much.

my next cycle is gonna be masteron and primo i think... but i am still debating

 

[Judo Tom]

oh trust me i didnt start off this smart Lots of researching helped and knowing who to listen to helped a ton but of course you gotta experiment and find out what works for you.

Im also not a big fan of orals.. my liver has been through a lot for one lifetime and Id rather not stress it much if I can avoid it.

Also once I really got my diet down hard I realized I didnt need 5 compounds and 2gs of stuff to have good results.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

my problem with tren is i always was thirsty and de-hydrated on it.. it really annoying having to drink and piss so much.

my next cycle is gonna be masteron and primo i think... but i am still debating

I understand this very well. Running Tren A, Test P, and Mast now and I cannot quit drinking and pissing. Everytime I do it I tell myself not again but the results from Tren are hard to beat.

 

[gstacker]

Maybe you need to focus on strength training for awhile, cut the volume down, quit looking at the scale, the mirrior and concentrate on bringing up youre compound lifts n setting goals there... Just a thought

 

[CSB]

Maybe you need to focus on strength training for awhile, cut the volume down, quit looking at the scale, the mirrior and concentrate on bringing up youre compound lifts n setting goals there... Just a thought

you might be onto something there , i havent concentrated on that in awhile and some of my lifts arent what they could be , my volume has been pretty high

i didnt even think to mention i am running to the toilet every 2 min literally haha its annoying

 

[CSB]

just a quick update and a bizzarre twist , ok so i been suffering along, and after the switch from cutting i gained alot 14-15lbs on this bulk , the past few days i been steadily declining weight wise as much as 5-6 lbs , which along with the sides hammered my motivation , i started arimedex on saturday at .4 eod

i have been avoiding the mirror for awhile, when i finished cutting my upper abs were visiable but not lower and i was happy to start the bulk, so i decided to check now, all abs out, vascularity has increased alot

i was so surprised because i have ramped my calories to 3500 to 4000 , stopped all cardio and consuming 1/2 a gallon milk a day and carbs are way up.

for the first time in a long time i have dropped bodyfat and increased size , so a happy chappy for awhile lol

 

[CSB]

Ok happy was short-lived lol

Down another 3 lbs ?

Ok timeline :

Cruise and cut low dose test e
Week 1 switch to bulk sust / tren e weight 220 lbs
Week 2 add anadrol up 7 lbs cal 3500
Week 3 up a further 7 lbs
Week 4 start low dose ari by wed (today) down 7.5lbs cal up round 4000

Now I expect water fluctuations but almost 8 lbs seems excessive ,I am still on anadrol.I have lost bodyfat as a positive but this sudden decrease is worrying at the moment ! As has been mentioned I have all the sides associated with the compounds I am using so far!

Only thing I can think of is readjusting diet and eating more ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

That cycle is like trying to fill your 20 gallon gas tank with 500 gallons of jet fuel. What you're going to wind up with is exactly what 20 gallons of gas will give you.

In other words, it's way overboard, overkill, unhealthy, pointless, excessive and potentially dangerous.

And you're wondering why you don't feel well?

 

[CSB]

That cycle is like trying to fill your 20 gallon gas tank with 500 gallons of jet fuel. What you're going to wind up with is exactly what 20 gallons of gas will give you.

In other words, it's way overboard, overkill, unhealthy, pointless, excessive and potentially dangerous.

And you're wondering why you don't feel well?

thanks for the reply Nelson , in what way do you feel its over board ? to me its a standard test base with tren added as additional compound , and an oral as a jumpstart

the only " mistake" i can see is the addition of anadrol , which was unnesessary i feel now, but could only tell once i had tried as many have had success , but in hindsight not ideal for me

 

[Arabian]

thanks for the reply Nelson , in what way do you feel its over board ? to me its a standard test base with tren added as additional compound , and an oral as a jumpstart

the only " mistake" i can see is the addition of anadrol , which was unnesessary i feel now, but could only tell once i had tried as many have had success , but in hindsight not ideal for me

Nelson, is talking about the amount of gear and how many compounds you are running. I have learned alot from Nelson over the years and his MAIN POINT is this: Slow and steady gains from minimal gear will give you great long lasting gains. Slow and steady. Best of luck to you.

 

[CSB]

Nelson, is talking about the amount of gear and how many compounds you are running. I have learned alot from Nelson over the years and his MAIN POINT is this: Slow and steady gains from minimal gear will give you great long lasting gains. Slow and steady. Best of luck to you.

i have spotted many of his posts regarding that and agree with his outlook

in this sense i have run double that amount of gear and again in hindsight it was an absolute waste , thought this was a pretty down to earth cycle lol not to extravegant . but again, i am suffering the sides well and truly . will be dropping the anadrol soon and lowering tren dosage !