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The Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) identified 22 dietary supplements containing anabolic steroids that are marketed and sold on the Internet in proposed rules published last week in the Federal Register. According to the DEA, the following three steroids meet the criteria for “anabolic steroids” under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 (”Classification of Three Steroids as Schedule III Anabolic Steroids Under the Controlled Substances Act,” April 25).

* Boldione (aka androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione)
* Desoxymethyltestosterone (aka DMT and 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-en-17b-ol)
* 19-nor-4,9(10)-androstadienedione (aka 19-norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione and esta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione)

Apparently, this is a shocking surprise to supplement industry lobbyist Loren Israelsen. Israelsen recently forwarded the following remarks (written by Rob Eder) to members of the United Natural Products Alliance.

“As I have previously suggested, perhaps the Congress should examine whether the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act–DSHEA, as it is commonly known–is being adequately enforced,” Fehr said […]

I have got some news for Donald Fehr: They don’t sell steroids in the supplement aisle. They don’t sell the “cream” or the “clear,” either. That’s because this industry does a better job of policing itself than Major League Baseball ever could.

It’s a sad and unfortunate day for the supplement industry when Major League Baseball has more credibility than supplement industry leaders. The DEA has news for Loren Israelsen - YES, they do sell steroids in the supplement aisle and the supplement industry is no better at self-regulating than MLB; at least the MLB finally acknowledged they have a steroid problem.

Obviously, this is bad news for the future of the supplement industry. Deserusan of Gaspari does a good job at summarizing the risks to the future of the industry (”The DEA Has Their Eye on Online Supplement Retailers,” April 30).

It’s no myth that physique enhancement often points one down paths which lead them to “illegal” compounds after unsuccessful trials with legal OTC supplements. However, there are numerous “grey area” supplements which are in clear violation of FDA policies that are still sold as legal supplements. My issue with these grey market compounds is that they indeed put the full spectrum of OTC supplements at risk of being banned.

We all know the FDA has been a sleeping monster for quite a few years when it comes to this, but now the supplement industry has caught the eye of the DEA.

Deserusan appeals to the industry to take “proactive” steps in light of the news.

I guess the question is, since the DEA is now looking into these compounds, what proactive steps will supplement distributors take in order to see that the DEA doesn’t crack down on more “grey area” or even perfectly legal OTC supplements? [...]

My message to them is, don’t get greedy on a few flagged steroids which puts everything else OTC on the market in harms way as well. Uncle Sam is not ****ing around anymore when it comes to steroids and that cat is out of the bag regarding these three compounds.

But sadly, I don’t think supplement retailers will heed Deserusan’s warning. When the FDA raided LG Sciences and seized over one million dollars in dietary supplements containing 1,4,6 etiocholan-dione (ATD) and 4-etioallocholen-3,6,17-trione (6-OXO-4-androstenedione), I don’t think a single supplement retailer stopped selling products containing these ingredients. Even when the owner of a supplement company brutally murdered his girlfriend with a baseball bat, I couldn’t find a single supplement retailer who had a problem continuing to sell his dietary supplements.

I am afraid that retailers don’t recognize the significant of the Dietary Health and Supplement Education Act (DSHEA) and will take it for granted until it is too late.




otc steroids that are now on the chopping block with bills in congress to make them e-legal

* Desoxymethyltestosterone (aka DMT and 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-en-17b-ol) aka p-plex,deisilbolin (my product) phere plex and the like


superdrol aka Beastdrol will be on the list to. Its in congress now so who knows how long we got.

Get it well its hot lol


* Boldione (aka androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione) its in the product epa or some shit like that

19-norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione and esta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione) all the tren products both methyl and non mythel This includes 19-tren-tfo and trenxxl as well as others.
 
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Several blogs have been discussing Neil Levin’s criticism of inaccuracies reported by CNN. Levin strongly criticized CNN for “preposterous,” “erroneous,” and otherwise “false claims” that dietary supplements are “unregulated” and/or free of “government supervision.” His blog entry goes on to cite the many ways that dietary supplements are regulated by the government. The lengthy entry, with several quotes from regulatory agencies gives the impression that the dietary supplement industry is tightly regulated.

While CNN is technically inaccurate, it is closer to the truth than Levin’s advocacy would suggest. From a consumer standpoint, I feel it is safer to assume that dietary supplements are unregulated. Most regulations are actually “post-marketing” measures i.e. very little prevents a new supplement from being sold in the marketplace.

I like the Dietary Health and Supplement Education Act (DSHEA) in principle too. But the supplement industry has abused and exploited DSHEA and utterly failed to self-regulate in the face of legislative challenges to DSHEA. It remains to be seen whether DSHEA is salvaged or systematically dismantled.

There is a reason that dozens of steroids have been and continue to be sold as dietary supplements for over a decade in the U.S.; DSHEA makes it legal. As long as supplement companies avoid certain claims and meet certain criteria well-known within the industry, the steroidal supplements can be introduced to the marketplace without “burdensome” requirements that the supplement company notify the government. This is the legacy of DSHEA.

At least one of the two most infamous designer steroids in the history of sport steroid scandals could have probably been legally sold as dietary supplements if they did not become scrutinized due to the spotlight of the BALCO steroids in baseball scandal i.e. tetrahydragestrinone aka THG aka “The Clear” and desoxymethyltestosterone aka DMT aka Madol synthesized by the convicted “father of prohormones” Patrick Arnold.

Pat Arnold’s indictment didn’t identify these so-called designer steroids as “anabolic steroids” because, legally, they were not. In response to the BALCO scandal, the FDA issued a press release on THG stating it was an “unapproved new drug” and not a “dietary supplement” to stop manufacturers who felt it met DSHEA criteria from selling it. (Actually, the latter steroid DMT was introduced into the marketplace but quickly (and voluntarily) pulled by its manufacturer shortly after the press associated it with the BALCO scandal and Patrick Arnold.)

THG and DMT did not legally become “anabolic steroids” until the passage of the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004.

Several new steroid products are currently sold as dietary supplements legally and others illegally. But little is done about either due to the laissez faire regulation of the industry.

Furthermore, dietary supplements contaminated with steroids and stimulants continues to be a problem; for this reason alone I would be cautious about teenagers or children using any dietary supplement. Sadly, the supplement industry (or more accurately, several companies within the industry) are giving legislators every excuse to gut DSHEA.
 
the ignorance of "experts" continues to amaze/disappoint me.
 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIINIIIIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG A!

Why cant the dea just leave us alone, there are far worse things out there!
 
Well since my favorite supps are soon to be gone I guess I'll have to start smoking cigs again. While I'm at it I might as well drink a bottle of bourbon and speed through a couple of school zones.
 
How long do you think it will take for these Ass-Jacks to make a move on us?...I mean how long do we have? Any clue?
 
its about time they cracked down on all you steroid abusing losers. :finger:
































j/k:D
 
:worried:

This is the last thing I wanted to see coming here this morning.

This sucks teh ballz.
 
No surprise. What is a surprise is that anyone would expect the government to act rationally or fairly.

Do keep in mind -- those compounds ARE steroids, so it stands to reason they'll be under the same laws. Stock up boys.

If they make UNLEASHED illegal I'm gonna be pissed!

Your best bet, is get a legit script from a doc (not hard to do) for pharm test, then go on vacation to Turkey or Greece. You don;t need a script for any set amount -- just to show that you have a medical reason for it. Then you can buy as much as you want.
 
How long do you think it will take for these Ass-Jacks to make a move on us?...I mean how long do we have? Any clue?

3-6 months tops. Then its full out raids. That is my prediction.

In the mean time boys. How about 1 last party with good old needto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dieselbolan left. 19-tren-tfo right
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No beastdrol or sleep aid yet but lets start with these bad boys:D
 
We've heard this for quite some time.. but good sales pitch!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/end-legal-stuff-coming-640947.html

Where did you find that article Needtoo, and when was it dated?

You know the date on the article was 2009 which is the reason it caught my eye and the reason I posted it. I am looking for it now and can't fined it again. I have found like 55 copies of it and it looks like the artical was written in 2008. So Jokes on me lololol I thought it was a new one.

Hell with it though looks like They have just been sitting on the bill for a wile. Wonder when they are going to put it into effect? In the mean time lets enjoy it.
 
I googled "DEA supplement ban 2009" and found articles with 2009 dates citing or repeating the anouncement from last year made in april about banning these substances.

I thought it was a newly release article as well. I was pissed this morning, lol.
 
Christ guys I hardly have the site set up with the descriptions and You guys have already ordered the hell out of them. WOW. slow down lolololol
 
im still trying to get rid of a shit load of cyclotren because of that article, lol
 
I hope they dont crack down on hrt and trt more so than they have my 2 cents-

btw I would like to earn my way into a club or group what up on that needto what does a bro have to do? lol
 
Land of the free, home of the brave.........:(


It is bro. It still is. One thing is the government, another thing is the people. Today, we are screwed one more time by the government who keep going far from the fundamentals of the constitution. However, the idiosyncrasy of the people of this nation, is the same as it was 100 years ago. You just need to make noise and think twice when you cast your vote.
 
SO......How much longer do you guys honestly think legal stuff will be available?

On a side note: It was funny, I went to this "hole in the wall" supplement shop right next to my gym to get some pre work out supp. I walk in, grab it and while im paying I look behind the counter at the "VIP" shelf and they have EVERYTHING. All the legal compounds, support supps and PCT sh*t. Thought it was pretty cool to see I can grab it at a store instead of ordering online and getting delayed 2.5 weeks like i did this last time lol.
 
SO......How much longer do you guys honestly think legal stuff will be available?

On a side note: It was funny, I went to this "hole in the wall" supplement shop right next to my gym to get some pre work out supp. I walk in, grab it and while im paying I look behind the counter at the "VIP" shelf and they have EVERYTHING. All the legal compounds, support supps and PCT sh*t. Thought it was pretty cool to see I can grab it at a store instead of ordering online and getting delayed 2.5 weeks like i did this last time lol.


Any guess is as good as any other bro.

Once they announce it, I'll be dropping $1K on anything I can get my hands on.
 
lol seriously man. I'll be buying a lllooottt of crap if they do that...what would you buy specifically if they annoucned you have 4 days left to do it from today?
 
lol seriously man. I'll be buying a lllooottt of crap if they do that...what would you buy specifically if they annoucned you have 4 days left to do it from today?


I'd grab all the beastdrol, deiselbolan and Tren TFO I could get my hands on.
 
SO......How much longer do you guys honestly think legal stuff will be available?

On a side note: It was funny, I went to this "hole in the wall" supplement shop right next to my gym to get some pre work out supp. I walk in, grab it and while im paying I look behind the counter at the "VIP" shelf and they have EVERYTHING. All the legal compounds, support supps and PCT sh*t. Thought it was pretty cool to see I can grab it at a store instead of ordering online and getting delayed 2.5 weeks like i did this last time lol.

I can promise you if on order from me ever took that long I would drop an arsenal of free products on your ass :D And prob a refund too.
 
I can promise you if on order from me ever took that long I would drop an arsenal of free products on your ass :D And prob a refund too.


That's worth placing an order then giving a fake bomb scare at your local post office for a few days in a row. I'd risk prison for some free stuff from teh needzto
 
Hey Needto

Its been awhile since i have been on here... good to see you have your own site going now. I will have to check into your Dieselbolan. I have four bottles of cyclotren that i have yet to try.

Is Dieselbolan similar to any particular juice?
 
Dude the fda is trying to make vitamins e-legal with out a script. They suck that bad.


What they want to do is regulate them so that they can tax people like they do with cigarettes. It's all about money.

The FDA is, without a doubt, one of the most greedy and corrupt establishments the world has ever seen.
 
This is why I have a stockpile of some of my favorite (former) OTC products -- 6 bottles of the original SD, 8 bottles of PP for example. How many millions of dollars have been spent on the Balco case?
 
Xtreme Tren was just featured on CBS morning news, with a sound bite from one of the Scientists that worked on the Balco case.
 
Unfortunitely (or however its spelled) we have expected this to happen. We either have joked (get it while you can) or were serious (these are legal steroids) and well now it's a done deal. It's not a cool thing. Blaming baseball isn't going to help any, even though if they would have just told the truth all this investigating probably (maybe) would have stopped. We should be and feel lucky it lasted as long as it has. I was being told about this last year, so it lasted that long. I am so not surprised nor should any of you. Bullshit as it is, as well as a waste of tax payers money, it is what it is. Now lets get back into the home labs and find a new way, LOL........

Oh thanks to Omega I am now a proud member of the speckled toilet club...... and almost the speckled floor LOL hahahahahahah

Oh wait I have a idea..... everyone just cut yourself off the OTC stuff, no post cycle til after you go to doc and get the shots......... WTF did I just say?
 
i guess if they make legal stuff illegal i'll just have to resort again to doing test again...how is this productive for society? u know thats not really helping people that are going to take something might as well get tax money off it.lol
 
We still got time. TEE HEE. I got a new product coming out real soon too. oral trenabolan and oral t-bol mix. OOOOOHHH shit yup. Going to be the massive cutting compound. Just what people need this time of year.
 
How long before it's restocked,or has it gone the way of the dough dough bird.
Is there anything that works as well? thats stock now and how doses it stack up against beastdrol.
Just looking for good product ,tired of getting jacked. I bought a stack kit from leagal steroids .com ,and didn't get any real gains from it.
 
How long before it's restocked,or has it gone the way of the dough dough bird.
Is there anything that works as well? thats stock now and how doses it stack up against beastdrol.
Just looking for good product ,tired of getting jacked. I bought a stack kit from leagal steroids .com ,and didn't get any real gains from it.

Fuck legal steroids lol..

bro get some of the deisilbolan. You will love it.
 
Do you us the pct during the cycle or after?
Is this good for putting on strength or just muscle size, because i'm looking for strenght more than anything.Second year college football and i want to play.
just need to get stronger .
 
Do you us the pct during the cycle or after?
Is this good for putting on strength or just muscle size, because i'm looking for strenght more than anything.Second year college football and i want to play.
just need to get stronger .

PCT means POST cycle therapy bro, so you'll need to follow up your cycle with proper PCT to keep your gains and restart your natural test reproduction.

Do some solid research before you jump right in so you'll be sure to do it right. You already struck out once with that legal steroid bunk shit.
 
Thats what i'm trying to do.thanks for your help.
the crap i got from legal steroid .com really make me not trust to many products,
and being a college student ,Idon't have money to trough away.
I didn't need a pct with that junk. 3 weeks after the cycle i had complete blood work and liver checked ,and nothing showed up what so ever .
I'm trying to do this right diet ,and all.
 
Thats what i'm trying to do.thanks for your help.
the crap i got from legal steroid .com really make me not trust to many products,
and being a college student ,Idon't have money to trough away.
I didn't need a pct with that junk. 3 weeks after the cycle i had complete blood work and liver checked ,and nothing showed up what so ever .
I'm trying to do this right diet ,and all.

Your ass in the right place, and there is no better forum than EF for knowledge.

Needto's products are the best on the market and that my friend is no hype.

Needto's Bolan/Tren stack, followed by a PCT Sustain Alpha, Unleashed, and Post Cycle will get you max results. Many guys on here including myself can attest to that. Add something like Liv-52 with the stack to protect the liver.
 
Hey needto, can you ship Beastdrol in to Canada? What about this new one you have coming out?

NOPE.. sorry bro but CA feels if it works then you guys can't have it lolol.. I wish I could but it would never make it threw customs. Non of my products except the sleep aid and the protein bars will make it to you.
 
I like how you quoted Deserusan in there. Dan is a good guy. He knows his sh!t.

I believe Bold was already on the to-be-banned list a while ago but it fell through.
 
Thats what i'm trying to do.thanks for your help.
the crap i got from legal steroid .com really make me not trust to many products,
and being a college student ,Idon't have money to trough away.
I didn't need a pct with that junk. 3 weeks after the cycle i had complete blood work and liver checked ,and nothing showed up what so ever .
I'm trying to do this right diet ,and all.

You're a college athlete? Are you being drug tested? These compounds will probably cause you to fail a drug test.
 
I tore my mcl and pcl they dont check people on injury reserve.
Ive got about 9 months of rehabing to do ,So i figured what the f**k ,try and come back stronger ,and faster it aint going to be easy its hard enough to keep a spot when healty
much less with a bum leg.
 
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