The DNP/Captopril/YBURN/BROMO stack.

[bigrand]

Zestril, Prinivil or Vasotec
I take it these three all have the same effect on A2 receptors as Captopril?
So Gambit, what kind of cycle would you advise? Doses and duration?

 

[gambit7666]

Pittsburgh*
I feel the same way about the ACE inhibitors, but if someone is going to use something, I prefer Zestril. I am not a pharmacist, just a junior Pharmacology student.

Bigrand
The studies on a2 down regulation have only been done with capoten. capoten works by inhibiting angiotensin 2, which should be (by definition) characteristic of all ace inhibitors. I have used zestril with better results than I anticipated, but it did come with sides. Basically my blood pressure was way too low while using this stuff, in hindsight I should have been juicing at the time in hopes of the two cancelling each other out in that regard. so i would recommend 20mg zestril ed for two months to allow the drug to take effect and then an all out assault on fat. DNP (if you don't have anything against it), beta-agonist (i think clen sucks, but that is just what I have seen in my body,) yohimbine cream and low dose (12.5mcg) cytomel.

Again i feel that with all the potent and affordable anti-aromatases out there today that all the above is unnecesary, i did the zestril thing about five years ago after a phone consultation with Dan Duchaine. I really believe if he was still around he would be saying the same thing about anti-aromatases, at the time this theory on ace inhibitors was being developed the best thing around was teslac, which was impossible to get and even if you could, impossible to afford. the only other thing they had was Cytadren which isn't a selective inhibitor therfore not ideal. hope this helps!

 

[gambit7666]

bigrand, i do not know if you really give a shit but you seem interested in the subject so i'll tell you my current cycle.
winstrol 50mg ed
arimidex 1mg ed
eca stack

that is it, plain and simple. by blocking both progesterone and estrogen you will see great results as far as fat loss. it would be interesting to see what effect bromo would have on all this as it does decrease prolactin levels which will make you fat also (BUT NOT CAUSE GYNO.) just remember no beta agonist with the bromocriptine.

 

[bigrand]

Very interested Gambit.....
So aromitase inhibitors will have the same basic effects as captopril? Downregulation of the A2 receptor? If so, how long does it take. ACE inhibitors would be usless if the Aromatase inhibitors did the same thing....

 

[gambit7666]

Yes, I agree, ace inhibitors would be useless if aromatase inhibitors did the same thing. I feel they could do it better. ace inhibitors take two months minimum to produce results. by inhibiting angiotensin 2, ace inhibitors prevent the formation of certain alpha 2 receptors, this is because angiotensin is required for the formation of alpha receptors. this is the small picture in my opinion, the big picture being estrogen. this is the number one cause of an increase in a2 receptors, hence higher bodyfat in females. all ace inhibitors would therefore do would is prevent estrogen from doing its thing. why waste your time with that when you could effectively eliminate estrogen with today's drugs? estrogen is the main culprit in all of this, stop it and everything else will fall into place.
bigrand, I'd be happy to answer any questions, so feel free

 

[drveejay11]

Trade in the Captopril for some Zestril (20mg), it does work, I had great results with it. If you prefer Captopril, which is pretty harsh, you should use 50-100mg everyday for two months before even thinking of using the dnp, the reason is that captopril will only begin to exert its effects on a2 receptors after this time period. At this time I would run low dose dnp at 200mg everyday, I don't understand why someone would want to use more than that anyway, yeah it increases the fat loss but it also makes you feel like shit, @ 200mg you will hardly feel anything but it will be working. After two months on the captopril then you should also start the yohimburn and continue with the zestril. You ARE going to need some sort of beta agonist here, if you can't use ECA, try Albuterol at 4mg a day. You need a beta agonist to set things in motion, plain and simple. As for the bromocriptine, its effects on bw are negated with the use of a beta agonist, at least that is what Lyle M wrote in his book, which is a great read by the way. So skip the bromo for the time being.
Having said all that, with the availability of liquidex on the net, I really don't understand why someone would want to still use ace inhibitors, and I really do not understand the obsession with yohimbine (your body catches on very quickly with this stuff, and just cause it is topical does not mean it is going to hang around your fat deposits, it gets to the blood quickly.) The true culprit is ESTROGEN, liquidex eliminates it, and consequently with time will cause a2 down regulation, which is what you want anyway.
I think the best option is to use liquidex for about a month and then add in the dnp and albuterol, if you really want, try the yohimbine, I don't think it will hurt. Hope this helps!

Damn bro.....NICE RESPONSE

 

[bigrand]

Thanx for all the insight Gambit.

How long does it take for downregulation of A2 receptors using say 2.5mg femara a day or 1mg Ldex a day?
Im curious as to how permanant this it.......will it totally change ones receptor make up so where they wont deposit estrogenic fat, or is it a temporary but very effective way to loose estro fat?

 

[JibbyJabba]

Yes, I agree, ace inhibitors would be useless if aromatase inhibitors did the same thing. I feel they could do it better. ace inhibitors take two months minimum to produce results. by inhibiting angiotensin 2, ace inhibitors prevent the formation of certain alpha 2 receptors, this is because angiotensin is required for the formation of alpha receptors. this is the small picture in my opinion, the big picture being estrogen. this is the number one cause of an increase in a2 receptors, hence higher bodyfat in females. all ace inhibitors would therefore do would is prevent estrogen from doing its thing. why waste your time with that when you could effectively eliminate estrogen with today's drugs? estrogen is the main culprit in all of this, stop it and everything else will fall into place.
bigrand, I'd be happy to answer any questions, so feel free

Don't you think, that in the case of females, ACE inhibitors might be preferable...wouldn't elimination of estrogen have bad consequences for the ladies?

 

[gambit7666]

JibbyJabba
absolutely. in fact the whole thing about ace inhibitors was probably designed for women.

bigrand
you should start to see notably results within one month. as to the permanence of the fat loss, it is no more permanent than any other fat loss, but should be more pronounced. as long as you stay clean with your diet and consistent with your training, you shouldn't gain the weight back with the discontinuance of the anti-aromatase

 

[bigrand]

I was under the impression that once the receptor make up was changed, the body would have much less A2 receptors and therefore gain and store fat differently than before (not in estrogenic fat patterns, and much easier to get rid of if you get it).
I guess im still unsure of exactly what happens to the receptors and what it means in the long run??....