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The Clen/T3 stack down low!!!

kethnaab said:
mendo, give exacts if you don't mind. ;)

looking to hit this up.

were you taking benadryl daily? doses? how much clen did you end up taking to get the "desired" effect?
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I used 2mg Ketotifen at bed time (makes you tired and hungry) and liquiclen in the morning. Had to drop my liquiclen dose down to about 80mcg from 150-200mcg! 80mcg of clen w/ keto gives me the same shakes as 200mcg of clen by itself. Not sure you can stay on the clen with it or not though. I just ran it for 2 weeks, it did seem to keep working the same the whole time.

By the way, ketotifen is NOT over-the-counter in the US...so if benedryl works the same I would stick with that.
 
okay.

did you see the same fat burning properties at 80mcg with the keto that you did without the keto and 150mcg of clen?

thanks!
 
kethnaab said:
okay.

did you see the same fat burning properties at 80mcg with the keto that you did without the keto and 150mcg of clen?

thanks!
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hmm. Its hard to say. It might have lost a little less at 80mcg, but its hard to compare cause I've had a different diet each time I've ran clen. Some were low-carb, some were moderate carb/low cal, etc and some were on cycle. The diet made a bigger difference than anything else. The only thing I can say for sure is that it felt like I was on 200mcg with 80mcg + keto.
 
mendo said:
hmm. Its hard to say. It might have lost a little less at 80mcg, but its hard to compare cause I've had a different diet each time I've ran clen. Some were low-carb, some were moderate carb/low cal, etc and some were on cycle. The diet made a bigger difference than anything else. The only thing I can say for sure is that it felt like I was on 200mcg with 80mcg + keto.
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Which of those diets seemed to work best for you?


And if anyone knows, is it better to go low carb or have normal carb intake when on T3? I have forgotten.
 
SlimJim300 said:
Which of those diets seemed to work best for you?


And if anyone knows, is it better to go low carb or have normal carb intake when on T3? I have forgotten.
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I know a lot of guys swear by low-carb diets in general, and I have to agree they are very effective. But I get better results with moderate carbs and lower fat on clen and/or T3. Maybe its just me.
 
SlimJim300 said:
Which of those diets seemed to work best for you?


And if anyone knows, is it better to go low carb or have normal carb intake when on T3? I have forgotten.
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Low carb intake and T3 can be very catabolic. The point of a low carb diet is to get into/stay in a ketogenic state, where ketones are protein sparing. In addition, the decrease in T3 levels is also atributed to the ketogenic state, which is beneficial for muscle-loss prevention. However, if you add T3 as part of your supplementation, you will see catabolism increase on the low-carb diet (CKD) unless you're using AS.
 
Mr.X said:
Low carb intake and T3 can be very catabolic. The point of a low carb diet is to get into/stay in a ketogenic state, where ketones are protein sparing. In addition, the decrease in T3 levels is also atributed to the ketogenic state, which is beneficial for muscle-loss prevention. However, if you add T3 as part of your supplementation, you will see catabolism increase on the low-carb diet (CKD) unless you're using AS.
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Well i'm doing low carb and taking Clen and T3. And cardio M-F, but i'm also taking BCAA's 3 times a day, 4grams Taurine, 400mg potass-mag, 10 grams Creatine, 10grams Glutamine and 2grams flax seed oil. I drink a little over 1 gallon water ED and have VERY low carb intake.
So would that help stop a catabolic state???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I think im going to add t3 soon, I'm trying to drop some bf%. Would it be effective/safe for thyroid to run it at 25mcg's till the end?
 
Graphite said:
I think im going to add t3 soon, I'm trying to drop some bf%. Would it be effective/safe for thyroid to run it at 25mcg's till the end?
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Yup, but anything more than that you should build up then down.
And at 25 you should drop it to 12.5 for the last 4-5 days.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Is T3 worth the catabolic effects? I love clen and I've gotten used to 100mcg a day but never gone higher. Id like to enhance some fat loss as Im almost at my goal but don't know if Id like to risk losing alot of muscle from the T3.
 
PCfuzz said:
Yup, but anything more than that you should build up then down.
And at 25 you should drop it to 12.5 for the last 4-5 days.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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So how about this 12.5 then taper up to 25 then taper back down to 12.5, sounds good?
 
mrp3652 said:
I'm curious as to why there would be no need for taping up.
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The average person produses 25mcg of T3 ED, so if you are at half that normally then starting at 25 is fine. But when coming off you want your body to make it, so you have to taper down.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
This thread and many other threads that I have found on clen/t3 have been so helpful in my research for my own cycle. Just about the only info I haven't found on this subject is personal experiences, whether they be pics, a journal, or just before/after stats. If anyone has found these or has their own experiences they'd like to share then please let me know. thnx
 
Extra_Strong said:
Makavelli tells me if you are taking clen with T3 U do not have to cycle off, of the Clen.
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I heard that too. Its supposed to clean your receptors. Mak knows his shit, so I believe it. Thats what he did for his last photoshoot and he got fuckin shredded.
 
Extra_Strong said:
Makavelli tells me if you are taking clen with T3 U do not have to cycle off, of the Clen.
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You'll still need time off from the clen. Receptor downregulation will render the clen useless if you don't take time off.
 
Mr.X said:
You'll still need time off from the clen. Receptor downregulation will render the clen useless if you don't take time off.
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Even if you do that Benadryl thing???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
interesting.

so I'm 220 lbs, ~15%bf, no gear experience, 20+ years weights experience

On a muscle relaxant (methocarbamol) right now, anyone know if there are any bad interactions with clen? doesn't seem to be from all the reading I've done.

noiw then, assuming 1/8ml is 25mcg of AG-Guys clen:

Day 1-2 - 1/8ml (25mcg)
Day 3-4 - 1/4ml (50mcg)
Day 5-6 - 3/8ml (75mcg)
Day 7-8 - 1/2ml (100mcg) + 50mg Benadryl
Day 9-10 - 5/8ml (125mcg) + 50mg Benadryl
Day 11-14 - 3/4ml (150mcg) + 75mg Benadryl
Day 15-17 - 1/2ml (100mcg)
Day 18-21 - 1/4ml (50mcg)

On day 22, start up on the ephedrine + caffeine + aspirin for at least another 21 days, yes?
 
kethnaab said:
interesting.

so I'm 220 lbs, ~15%bf, no gear experience, 20+ years weights experience

On a muscle relaxant (methocarbamol) right now, anyone know if there are any bad interactions with clen? doesn't seem to be from all the reading I've done.

noiw then, assuming 1/8ml is 25mcg of AG-Guys clen:

Day 1-2 - 1/8ml (25mcg)
Day 3-4 - 1/4ml (50mcg)
Day 5-6 - 3/8ml (75mcg)
Day 7-8 - 1/2ml (100mcg) + 50mg Benadryl
Day 9-10 - 5/8ml (125mcg) + 50mg Benadryl
Day 11-14 - 3/4ml (150mcg) + 75mg Benadryl
Day 15-17 - 1/2ml (100mcg)
Day 18-21 - 1/4ml (50mcg)

On day 22, start up on the ephedrine + caffeine + aspirin for at least another 21 days, yes?
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25mcg=1/10cc
I use a 3cc syringe so it's the 1st line(1/10cc)
You should not be assuming with this stuff...It's strong.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
25mcg=1/10cc
I use a 3cc syringe so it's the 1st line(1/10cc)
You should not be assuming with this stuff...It's strong.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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exactly, kethnaab are you using a syringe?
 
Quick question: does it matter whether you split the dosage during the day?? For example, if you take 50mcg of T3, can you take it all at once or should you split it? Does it matter? Also, is it okay to take T3 at the same time as the clen??

One more thing, I keep reading not to take the clen right before I workout (and I've done this and realized why this is a smart move...running on clen sucks!). In y'all's opinion, is there an optimal time to take the combo??

Thanks!
 
High Speed said:
Quick question: does it matter whether you split the dosage during the day?? For example, if you take 50mcg of T3, can you take it all at once or should you split it? Does it matter? Also, is it okay to take T3 at the same time as the clen??

One more thing, I keep reading not to take the clen right before I workout (and I've done this and realized why this is a smart move...running on clen sucks!). In y'all's opinion, is there an optimal time to take the combo??

Thanks!
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For T3, you should split the dose into AM and early PM. For clen, you can do the same, but you don't have to.

Don't take clen before a workout, unless you got at least 3gr of taurine and 2 gr of potassium going, with electrolytes and multi vit/min.
 
I work 2nd shift so I workout then take Clen and T3 at noon then some more T3 when I get out of work at 9:30pm.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Mr.X said:
For T3, you should split the dose into AM and early PM. For clen, you can do the same, but you don't have to.

Don't take clen before a workout, unless you got at least 3gr of taurine and 2 gr of potassium going, with electrolytes and multi vit/min.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. ;)
 
This has been an excellent thread on a subject that many of us want more information on.

Great job guys. I am definitely going to use this thread when I begin my cutting cycle in about a month or so, as I was planning on using Clen/T3 along with YES from the AF Store. :Chef:
 
immortalis said:
This has been an excellent thread on a subject that many of us want more information on.QUOTE]


Thank you, I hope it helps many. I am still learning from this thread too. It might be a sticky some day with so many peeps asking about Clen and T3.
Thanx again to all that have helped.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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PCfuzz said:
Thank you, I hope it helps many. I am still learning from this thread too. It might be a sticky some day with so many peeps asking about Clen and T3.
Thanx again to all that have helped.

Thanx
PCfuzz
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We'll stick this up in a day or so.
 
PCfuzz said:
Well i'm doing low carb and taking Clen and T3. And cardio M-F, but i'm also taking BCAA's 3 times a day, 4grams Taurine, 400mg potass-mag, 10 grams Creatine, 10grams Glutamine and 2grams flax seed oil. I drink a little over 1 gallon water ED and have VERY low carb intake.
So would that help stop a catabolic state???


Thanx
PCfuzz
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So Mr.X, am i right about this???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I want to clear up space in the stickies before I stick this, but something is up with the board. Give me a day or so Pcfuzz.
 
What i said was:

Well i'm doing low carb and taking Clen and T3. And cardio M-F, but i'm also taking BCAA's 3 times a day, 4grams Taurine, 400mg potass-mag, 10 grams Creatine, 10grams Glutamine and 2grams flax seed oil. I drink a little over 1 gallon water ED and have VERY low carb intake.
So would that help stop a catabolic state???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Im wondering about this too, I started the T3/Clen today with some winny thrown in to help stop catabolism. Should I continue taking creatine/no2 etc...?

In essence, what supplements best compliment a t3/clen stack, with aas being an obvious choice.
 
PCfuzz said:
What i said was:

Well i'm doing low carb and taking Clen and T3. And cardio M-F, but i'm also taking BCAA's 3 times a day, 4grams Taurine, 400mg potass-mag, 10 grams Creatine, 10grams Glutamine and 2grams flax seed oil. I drink a little over 1 gallon water ED and have VERY low carb intake.
So would that help stop a catabolic state???

Thanx
PCfuzz
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Yes, it would help. Also keep in mind, clen is anticatabolic, so there are benefits to the stack already.
 
More info posted by Swordfish in a differant thread but i wanted to add it to this 1.


T3 and the Modern Athlete
By: TJ

So you've decided to use T3 to help you shed fat now that you've read up on it and gotten past the nay Sayers who expound the ills of shutting down your body’s own production of natural thyroid. Wonderful, T3 when used correctly can be a great addition to any diet and cardio plan. Read that again boys and girls, IN ADDITION TO ANY DIET AND CARDIO PLAN!!! If you've turned to T3 because you think it's a magic pill that will allow you to eat like crap and still lose weight you've been listening to the wrong advice. Can you lose weight/fat while using T3 and still eating junk food, unfortunately yes to a degree. I say unfortunately because this fact often leads people to do just that, it starts with a cheat meal that turns to a cheat day, which eventually has the athlete eating whatever and whenever they want and still they lose some weight. So what's wrong with this if the eventual out come, weight loss that is, is reached? The first problem is the weight you are losing may not be fat if your eating like crap, the second is what happens when you stop the T3 cycle and your metabolism is suppressed temporarily, if you were eating sloppy during the T3 usage your most likely to keep following that pattern and the combination of a slow metabolism combined with sloppy eating results in rebound weight gain. So in the end what have you really accomplished outside of being able to eat what you want with out getting any fatter for a month or so? And that's if you’re lucky and the rebound weight gain doesn't push you past your starting weight!!!

Now that I have your attention and you know what NOT to do, let's concentrate on what TO do. Just like any other chemical we find in our arsenal, T3 can and is used in a variety of ways when it comes to dosage and length of cycle, both for cutting and bulking. This article will deal with cutting use only. There are some who prefer to "hit it hard" and go high dosage with a quick taper down at the end losing a great amount of weight in a short time, but this way tends to eat as much muscle as fat in my experience and you end up looking basically the same as when you began, except that you weigh less and are smaller. There are those who like to use the same dosage throughout the cycle with no taper up or down figuring if your metabolism is going to be sluggish anyhow why waste the days using it at a low dosage when you could be burning more fat on those days. Then there are those who slowly taper up, maintain the highest dosage for a set time and then slowly taper down. It's the last group I'll concentrate on here, as this is the system that has shown it's best overall results with those I've worked with.

Let's start with the dosage, T3 is a very individual drug, when it comes to dosage I've seen guys use as high as 250-300mcg/day and others as low as 25mcg/day where both athletes lost fat and reached their goals. As a rule I start everyone (and for now I'm dealing with men I'll pen an article on women’s usage in the future) at 25mcg/day. I usually base the time of the cycle on their individual weight loss goals, if it's a smaller amount I'll go 3 weeks tops, if it's a lot of weight to lose we'll go 4, 5 and sometimes 6 weeks. I generally don’t go over 6 weeks with anyone, as T3 tends to stop working in most people after that amount of time. I’d rather they run 4 weeks cycles with 2 weeks off where they use an ECA stack or Clen during the break to continue to lose fat, then run another 4 week cycle. So the 1st 3 days in this cycle would be 25mcg/day, then the 2nd 3-day period is 50mcg/day, etc. The typical 21-day cycle will look like this:

Days 1-3.................. 25mcg/day
Days 4-6...................50mcg/day
Days 7-9...................75mcg/day
Days 10-12................100mcg/day
Days 13-15................75mcg/day
Days 16-18................50mcg/day
Days 19-21................25mcg/day



As you can see the dosage is increased by 25mcg/day every 4th day until the maximum dosage is reached for the subject, in this case 100mcg/day, then lowered the by the same 25mcg/day increments every 4th day until the end of the cycle. Given that most of the people I've worked with have tried everything else and are still considerably overweight when they start, the full 4-week cycle is often used instead of the 21-day cycle. The one I've used lately with the most success is as follow, remember the jumps are still 25mcg/day but this time you increase/decrease the dosage every 4 days:

Days 1-4...................25mcg/day
Days 5-8...................50 "
Days 9-12.................75 "
Days 13-16...............100 "
Days 17-20...............75 "
Days 21-24...............50 "
Days 25-28...............25 "

Note: You could also do the 3-day increase/decrease and hold the maximum dosage of 100mcg/day for days 10-19, but some find 100mcg/day makes them too uncomfortably warm and they sweat too much, especially during the warmer months.

There you have it, simple yet effective. If you remember to supplement your diet with plenty of protein (which every lifter should anyhow), eat a clean calorie controlled diet, drink 1-2 gallons of water per day and to take a mild steroid cycle to minimize muscle loss you should be able to see rapid fat loss with this cycle. I should also mention that some people like to stack T3 with Clenbuterol for even better results. I’ve purposely left this out as I’ve stopped advising the use of both T3 and Clen as the same time, the side effects from using both together tend to be too much for most people I’ve worked with to handle so I suggest if their going to use Clen use it with an ECA stack if you can tolerate the shakiness, agitation and general irritableness. Good luck and may you all reach your cutting goals!!!

TJ
Thank you for finding this Swordfish.
Anything I find that has strong info about T3 and Clen should be posted here.
Thank you all again.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
harbinator said:
Im wondering about this too, I started the T3/Clen today with some winny thrown in to help stop catabolism. Should I continue taking creatine/no2 etc...?

In essence, what supplements best compliment a t3/clen stack, with aas being an obvious choice.
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I should let you know that I don't take Creatine at the same time as Clen cuz it's just too much of a buzz. I take the Creatine then 2 hours later i take Clen, then 2-3 hours later I take more Creatine.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
how about if DNP was used befor or during or after t3/clen. I have tried dnp and it seems to shut down my thyroid and takes a good two weeks for it to get going. rebound of fat happens during this time. what if i was to start t3/clen after the dnp......would the shutdown of my thyroid be worse and more risky of not coming back?
 
eh2442 said:
how about if DNP was used befor or during or after t3/clen. I have tried dnp and it seems to shut down my thyroid and takes a good two weeks for it to get going. rebound of fat happens during this time. what if i was to start t3/clen after the dnp......would the shutdown of my thyroid be worse and more risky of not coming back?
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T3 is pure thyroid so it will not shut it down but it will keep it going but if you go too high and don't come down the right way it could kill your thyroid and then your screwed. Read alot more about it B4 you do anything.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
wirenut said:
What are your results so far PCfuzz?
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I'm not telling till it's done but i will tell you this, it's all on the person and what you are willing to risk. In 3 weeks i'll be done and give everyone the results.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Wow Im not sure what happened with my cycle but I had to stop it after only 1 day, took 20mcg of liquiclen, 12.5mcg of LiquiT3 and 25mg of winny, at about 2pm I took another 25mg of winny and began feeling very feverish and hot, and very dizzy.

I wonder if its blood pressure related? I skipped the gym and stayed with a friend to make sure I would be alright since I was feeling pretty rough afterwards and still am today.

Ive taken liquiclen up to 100mcg a day before without these side effects the only changes are the liquiT3 and the winny.
 
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harbinator said:
Wow Im not sure what happened with my cycle but I had to stop it after only 1 day, took 20mcg of liquiclen, 12.5mg of LiquiT3 and 25mg of winny, at about 2pm I took another 25mg of winny and began feeling very feverish and hot, and very dizzy.

I wonder if its blood pressure related? I skipped the gym and stayed with a friend to make sure I would be alright since I was feeling pretty rough afterwards and still am today.

Ive taken liquiclen up to 100mcg a day before without these side effects the only changes are the liquiT3 and the winny.
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I would have to say it's the winny. I take T3 at 6pm and midnight and don't feel anything from it and I take 25mcg 3 times a day. Try it without the winny and see what happens.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
eh2442 said:
how about if DNP was used befor or during or after t3/clen. I have tried dnp and it seems to shut down my thyroid and takes a good two weeks for it to get going. rebound of fat happens during this time. what if i was to start t3/clen after the dnp......would the shutdown of my thyroid be worse and more risky of not coming back?
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I highly suggest against DNP use. DNP is the only product that can kill you in hours!
 
Has anyone here found that their natural thyroid hormone level ended up a little HIGHER after running a few T3 cycles? I've heard rumors about this happening, and I'm curious what you guys think.
 
Anyone care to comment on how to get your doses in at the right intervals. Suggested a page or so back in this thread is breaking your doses down or splitting them throughout the day. I like the idea of this but I'm a college kid and carrying around a pin and syringe would probably go over like a ton of bricks.

I've heard rumors of getting empty gelcaps and injecting the liquid into them.

2 cents anyone?
 
rejection_juice said:
Anyone care to comment on how to get your doses in at the right intervals. Suggested a page or so back in this thread is breaking your doses down or splitting them throughout the day. I like the idea of this but I'm a college kid and carrying around a pin and syringe would probably go over like a ton of bricks.

I've heard rumors of getting empty gelcaps and injecting the liquid into them.

2 cents anyone?
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For somebody like you, empty caps is the way to go.
I'll post how and when i take them when i'm done in 3 weeks. PM me if you want to know right now.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I just ordered glucorell and SESAPURE. Is it okay to take with Clen and T3?
And how much should i take for fat loss?


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I just ordered glucorell and SESAPURE. Is it okay to take with Clen and T3?
And how much should i take for fat loss?
Thanx
PCfuzz
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Yeah it's ok to take sesapure with clen and T3. :chomp:
 
Okay this is crazy but that's just me.
At week 4 I'm adding glucorell and sesapure and YES to my Clen/T3 stack and a high protein/low carb diet with cardio M-F. Is that too much or a good way to melt fat???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Okay this is crazy but that's just me.
At week 4 I'm adding glucorell and sesapure and YES to my Clen/T3 stack and a high protein/low carb diet with cardio M-F. Is that too much or a good way to melt fat???


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Glucorell = R-ALA
YES = yohimburn

So, your major fat burners there are clen and T3 , the others are aids in the process. Some say you'd be fine with just clen/t3 , but if you can afford it, add a few more products, why not? ;)
 
I have them already, just waiting on the YES. It should be here Monday.
I don't care about the money, I just want to CUT!!! I think i'm going to be where i want to be in 3-4 more months.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I have them already, just waiting on the YES. It should be here Monday.
I don't care about the money, I just want to CUT!!! I think i'm going to be where i want to be in 3-4 more months.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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you'll get there bro :coffee:
 
This is a great thread and I think everybody has learned alot from it including myself who will be running my first T3/Clen stack at the end of my next cycle. Quick question....on the T3; I'm only going as high as 50mcgs ed. Is 45 days too long for my first time; should I just go 30?
 
Mr.X said:
Yes, it would help. Also keep in mind, clen is anticatabolic, so there are benefits to the stack already.
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What if you are on a huge list of aas. Say tren, prop, winny, masteron and IGF. would low carb be ok then?
 
musclehealth said:
What if you are on a huge list of aas. Say tren, prop, winny, masteron and IGF. would low carb be ok then?
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Just make sure the protein is way up there tho.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Got up this morning with alot of pain in my liver. I'm going to the doctor in the morning and stopping everything but the T3 for now. I'll start back up when all is clear by the docs.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Got up this morning with alot of pain in my liver. I'm going to the doctor in the morning and stopping everything but the T3 for now. I'll start back up when all is clear by the docs.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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You taking any AS? and what did the doctor say?
 
Mr.X said:
You taking any AS? and what did the doctor say?
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I'm not taking AS. And the doctor says that I have a blockage in my large intest. and he ran blood work cuz of the T3. I thought it was my Liver cuz I hit 100mcg for 3 days without tuarine( i ran out and was very busy). He told me to take M.O.M. and call him about the blood tomorrow.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm not taking AS. And the doctor says that I have a blockage in my large intest. and he ran blood work cuz of the T3. I thought it was my Liver cuz I hit 100mcg for 3 days without tuarine( i ran out and was very busy). He told me to take M.O.M. and call him about the blood tomorrow.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Hey, quick question PC...how much Taurine were you taking and when?? Does timing with that matter??
 
High Speed said:
Hey, quick question PC...how much Taurine were you taking and when?? Does timing with that matter??
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I was taking 3 grams at 1st up to 60mcg and 4 grams at 80mcg and 100mcg.
I was taking 2 grams at the same time of taking the Clen and the rest later in the day. The timing does matter, same as taking taurine with creatine.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I was taking 3 grams at 1st up to 60mcg and 4 grams at 80mcg and 100mcg.
I was taking 2 grams at the same time of taking the Clen and the rest later in the day. The timing does matter, same as taking taurine with creatine.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Okay, thanks!!
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm not taking AS. And the doctor says that I have a blockage in my large intest. and he ran blood work cuz of the T3. I thought it was my Liver cuz I hit 100mcg for 3 days without tuarine( i ran out and was very busy). He told me to take M.O.M. and call him about the blood tomorrow.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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By blockage is he saying you're just don't take enough fiber in? or do you have a growth there from something else?
 
Mr.X said:
By blockage is he saying you're just don't take enough fiber in? or do you have a growth there from something else?
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Not sure??? He was saying it as not enough fiber then I told him I pinched 1 and then he said well just take the M.O.M. and if it still hurts by wednesday, come back.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Not sure??? He was saying it as not enough fiber then I told him I pinched 1 and then he said well just take the M.O.M. and if it still hurts by wednesday, come back.

Thanx
PCfuzz
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Simple solution, increase fiber intake to 3x per day, and see within 3 days how you are doing. Don't skip the doctor visit, go to him, tell him you're taking in fiber now.
 
Mr.X said:
Simple solution, increase fiber intake to 3x per day, and see within 3 days how you are doing. Don't skip the doctor visit, go to him, tell him you're taking in fiber now.
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I won't skip it but he said come back if the pain is still there. Hurts like a MOFO right now. Can't wait till i get out of work and drink that nasty shit. LOL


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I won't skip it but he said come back if the pain is still there. Hurts like a MOFO right now. Can't wait till i get out of work and drink that nasty shit. LOL


Thanx
PCfuzz
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start taking that fiber in bro :)
 
:jump: :Perk:

Finally, excellent excellent thread. I too am starting both chemicals asa I receive my order. Extensive research done and I have to say this is the best thread/info. thus far. Even real time results from those on already and hey, no rats for miles and miles.

PCFuzz: Sudden pain as you described usually indicates a poo blockage. Remember, clean carbs in at least 3 meals per day = plenty of fiber. The great part about clean carbs. is those not used are not stored as fat, but as released as heat. Dirty carbs not used are stored as fat.

Examples:

Brown rice = clean carb. = 3 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry
White rice = dirty carb. = 0 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry

I very excited to try these 2 chems out. Excited as in results and not excited as in ODing on the stuff. I have a spread sheet going which includes weight versus waist size in inches.

KARMA ALL AROUND TO ALL WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD. IT'S ON ME.
 
6oxo User said:
:jump: :Perk:

Finally, excellent excellent thread. I too am starting both chemicals asa I receive my order. Extensive research done and I have to say this is the best thread/info. thus far. Even real time results from those on already and hey, no rats for miles and miles.

PCFuzz: Sudden pain as you described usually indicates a poo blockage. Remember, clean carbs in at least 3 meals per day = plenty of fiber. The great part about clean carbs. is those not used are not stored as fat, but as released as heat. Dirty carbs not used are stored as fat.

Examples:

Brown rice = clean carb. = 3 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry
White rice = dirty carb. = 0 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry

I very excited to try these 2 chems out. Excited as in results and not excited as in ODing on the stuff. I have a spread sheet going which includes weight versus waist size in inches.

KARMA ALL AROUND TO ALL WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD. IT'S ON ME.
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Glad you learned something from this tread. I'm going to work on carbs more. I have only been taking in at the most 150 carbs ED.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Glad you learned something from this tread. I'm going to work on carbs more. I have only been taking in at the most 150 carbs ED.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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150g per day? That's 600 calories, not even coming close to per day needed if you just sat still and did not move. It's a good idea to look into. There is a wealth of info. on this site and other about diet. Have you considered pumping a little iron?

I think, from reading, you were only interested in loosing BF. If so, it will be interesting to see another one taking these chems and lifting a lot of weight, like I do. Hope you feel better PC and will keep a close eye and chiming in this thread once in a while.

"PCfuzz" Is your job to find online child predators? If so, even more luck and a God Bless you with this one.
 
6oxo User said:
150g per day? That's 600 calories, not even coming close to per day needed if you just sat still and did not move. It's a good idea to look into. There is a wealth of info. on this site and other about diet. Have you considered pumping a little iron?
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He's not just eating carbs, there is also protein and fat. Generally, in ketosis, you need about 100grams of carbs per day, and that's for your brain.
 
Hey guys not sure if it's been posted, as I only read the first page, but being this thread is a very very good one, i think for one it should be made a sticky, and secondly, howabout Mr. X or someone edit the beginning of the thread and post in 3 different things:

1: A good basic diet to follow with the clen/t3 program
2: best selection of and cycling of anabolics for use with this program
3: best workout type when using this program.
 
Mr.X said:
He's not just eating carbs, there is also protein and fat. Generally, in ketosis, you need about 100grams of carbs per day, and that's for your brain.
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Yes, I think I was looking at it from a weightlifter's POV. Thx.
 
Burning_Inside said:
Hey guys not sure if it's been posted, as I only read the first page, but being this thread is a very very good one, i think for one it should be made a sticky, and secondly, howabout Mr. X or someone edit the beginning of the thread and post in 3 different things:

1: A good basic diet to follow with the clen/t3 program
2: best selection of and cycling of anabolics for use with this program
3: best workout type when using this program.
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Although I like 1-3, I think it would be very subjective. I don't want to just drop information randomly.
 
I'll post up my experience on this so far. I'm a virgin to the t3/clen stack as well.

I'm finishing a cycle of 500mg Test-E and 400mg EQ per week. I'm on day 8 as of right now. I started the t3 on day 3 so there's a 2 day difference there. My reason for doing this was just to see what clen was going to be like.

As far as diet goes, I've been following a friends diet. He's on the verge of going pro and he's helped me tailor the diet to my lifestyle (college kid). While on the diet before my cycle I was losing approximately 3-4lbs a month while maintaining my strength. Basically I'm like most people on the board eating 5 or 6 meals a day spread throughout the day and eating enough chicken to start growing wings. Since I'm on cycle I'm also throwing in some lean beef. I'll be happy to share more on this but it's slightly off topic.

My lifting routine has been 5 days a week hitting one muscle group per day except arms which I do bi's and tri's on the same day. Basically that's back, chest, shoulders, arms, legs. Per the advice of my very large friend, I've actually gone slightly down in weight and focused more on form and I can tell a huge difference. Again I'll be happy to go into the specifics but I'm no RADAR.

Cardio has really sucked since I started taking the clen. My resting heart rate used to be in the upper 50's lower 60's and now it's in the 90's. My blood pressure is also through the roof. Kinda scary but it's nothing I'm worried about at this time. I feel my heart beating quite a bit. I'm definitely taking it easy on the cardio and not doing anything too crazy. I'm hitting it about 3-4x a week.

My clen started like this:

Day 1-2 : 20mcg
Day 3-4: 40mcg
Day 5-6: 60mcg
Day 7-8: 80mcg

I plan to come off gradually too

Day 9 : 80mcg
Day 10: 60mcg
Day 11: 40mcg
Day 13: 20mcg
Day 14: 20mcg

My t3 is looking like this

25 - 37.5 - 50 - 37.5 - 25

I'm looking at a 21 day cycle for t3 but I might extend it a few more days and come down to 12.5.

I'm taking 3+G of Taurine and as much potassium as I can force down my throat. I got a potassium supplement from GNC (along with the taurine) and a bunch of bananas from Kroger :)

Anyhow hope this helps someone.

This past week I've lost 3lbs. I'm pretty happy with it.
 
ok, so i have done the due diligence and read this thread and just about every other one on here about clen and t3. i just ordered some clen from ag guys, and i feel pretty confident about it i might try stacking the t3 sometime later on down the road, you know baby steps and all, but i was wondering about animal cuts and animal stak? good idea or no. and yes it is the original animal stak, had ordered it right before the ban and have two full cans. any input would be greatly appreciated
 
Starting tommorrow and will be stacking by next week. A little nervous actually as I never had to deal with shakes and increased heatbeat :sulk: .
 
6oxo User said:
Starting tommorrow and will be stacking by next week. A little nervous actually as I never had to deal with shakes and increased heatbeat :sulk: .
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I don't think the shakes are too terrible. You'll be fine. Get some Taurine!
 
I got the results back from my test and the doc says that my thyroid starter is very low and I should slowly drop my T3 like i'm doing now. I'm still in alot of pain and if I can't get unblocked...I have to get surgery. Pinching nothing but water no matter what I eat.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I got the results back from my test and the doc says that my thyroid starter is very low and I should slowly drop my T3 like i'm doing now. I'm still in alot of pain and if I can't get unblocked...I have to get surgery. Pinching nothing but water no matter what I eat.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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PCfuzz, sorry the news wasn't better. I'm a little confused. What do you mean by your "thyroid starter". If it's what I think it is, it is to be expected as any T3 administered over what your thyroid produces will cause slowdown, and in some cases shutdown of the thyroid. Just like AAS does with naturally produced testosterone. Is the bowl movement blockage being caused by the T3?
 
6oxo User said:
PCfuzz, sorry the news wasn't better. I'm a little confused. What do you mean by your "thyroid starter". If it's what I think it is, it is to be expected as any T3 administered over what your thyroid produces will cause slowdown, and in some cases shutdown of the thyroid. Just like AAS does with naturally produced testosterone. Is the bowl movement blockage being caused by the T3?
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My thyroid starter is the hormone that tells the body to produce thyroid.
And no it's not the T3 that caused the blockage, it was not taking in any fiber.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
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