Finally, excellent excellent thread. I too am starting both chemicals asa I receive my order. Extensive research done and I have to say this is the best thread/info. thus far. Even real time results from those on already and hey, no rats for miles and miles.
PCFuzz: Sudden pain as you described usually indicates a poo blockage. Remember, clean carbs in at least 3 meals per day = plenty of fiber. The great part about clean carbs. is those not used are not stored as fat, but as released as heat. Dirty carbs not used are stored as fat.
Examples:
Brown rice = clean carb. = 3 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry
White rice = dirty carb. = 0 grams fiber for 1/2 cup dry
I very excited to try these 2 chems out. Excited as in results and not excited as in ODing on the stuff. I have a spread sheet going which includes weight versus waist size in inches.
KARMA ALL AROUND TO ALL WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD. IT'S ON ME.