The case against bulk cycles

[Mavy]

This is good info guys keepin it bumped. I usually do what you do Satch (minus the dnp), but in larger chunks, i.e. 4wks gaining, 3wks harening. repeat...

I may try this in smaller increments. This may work perfect as I was looking for a way to alternate using dbol with var, in my cycle, and may incorporate the dbol for 2 weeks of lean bulking, and the var for 2 weeks of hardening. Interesting nonethe less. I assume most of you dont change your compounds when changing the gaining/hardening phase.

 

[satchboogie]

assume most of you dont change your compounds when changing the gaining/hardening phase.

actually i dont but it sounds like a solid idea.

i was thinking of adding the bombs at 100mg a day on the 2 week bulking phases.

only problem is that i'm literally a fuckin balloon while bulking.
the sustanon at 750mg a week bloats me really really badly.
so with the addition of a strong oral i may as well fill myself up with helium and go to a circuis.

id really like to get my hands on some pharmacetuical arimidex.
it should solve that problem as my current intake of nolva/provi isnt doin the job on the bloat!

 

[Dial_tone]

This is good info guys keepin it bumped. I usually do what you do Satch (minus the dnp), but in larger chunks, i.e. 4wks gaining, 3wks harening. repeat...

I may try this in smaller increments. This may work perfect as I was looking for a way to alternate using dbol with var, in my cycle, and may incorporate the dbol for 2 weeks of lean bulking, and the var for 2 weeks of hardening. Interesting nonethe less. I assume most of you dont change your compounds when changing the gaining/hardening phase.

I avoid the harsher drugs now and stick to EQ, Deca, low doses of test & Fina. At 39 years old I'm 5'8, 249 lbs and the last thing I want is another 25 lbs. When you hit mid 30's that fat doesn't come off like it used to and I find it near impossible to get really lean, although I still grow like a weed. I need to do 6-8 months of GH to get down below 12% and stay there. This whole thread is really a collection of things I've done and wish I'd done had I known better at the time.

 

[small but working on it]

Great post. I started a thread asking if I should lose 4 or 5 % bf before starting my test/dbol cycle. I didnt get many responses. I am glad you posted this. I definately would have eaten myself into a Chris Farley look a like. I am new to the gear world and always thought that you had to eat and eat and eat. I was gonna monitor total protein and total cals. I am 30 and it is already more difficult to lose bf. That is a guarantee to you young guys byt the way. I will definately lose some more bf before starting my cycle and eat much cleaner than I would have. Thanks for the info bro!!!

 

[Redux]

Your absolutley right. It is a well known fact that your body NEVER loses fat cells when dieting. You simply shrink the fat cells that you have. On the other hand it IS possible to produce More fat cells.

That is why it is harder and harder to get lean as you get older. Chances are you grew more fat cells somewhere aling the way.

For this purpose, I will never do an all-you-can-eat bulikng cycle again. I simply don't want to grow more new fat cells.

YIKES!! That has got to be one of the scariest things I have ever read. Thank God I only did one bulk cycle, so I don't have too much of a hole to dig myself out of.

 

[Mavy]

YIKES!! That has got to be one of the scariest things I have ever read. Thank God I only did one bulk cycle, so I don't have too much of a hole to dig myself out of.

No shit bro! I was always under the impression that it was harder to burn fat the older you get cause your metabolism slows slightly more. I also thought it had to do with insulin production. Very scary about the fat. If one were smart, ALL cycles would be lean gainers, with diet as the KEY focus in mind.

 

[Dial_tone]

No shit bro! I was always under the impression that it was harder to burn fat the older you get cause your metabolism slows slightly more. I also thought it had to do with insulin production. Very scary about the fat. If one were smart, ALL cycles would be lean gainers, with diet as the KEY focus in mind.

It's harder because:

1. You start to lose muscle around age 40 and muscle burns more calories than fat.
2. Your metabolism does slow down
3. Plus the fat cell buildup
4. no idea about the insulin thing.