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the best cutting steriod?
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Johnny Cut
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i heard colorie intake is the best
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DaddyX
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for keeping muscle while dieting and cardio tren probably works best......
WelshInjectable
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Using Var to cut at the mo, might post up before and after pics if the reults are good
Fukkenshredded
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Dr JK is CORRECT! Winny and fina. Despite what a lot of people here say, all steroids are NOT the same, and some are better suited for cutting than others. the reasons have been posted numerous times; I have outlined them at least twice in great detail right here on this board.
Currently cutting w/Deca/Test/Proviron/Nolvadex w/Clen/NYC. Was getting a little bloat after 3 wks, but I just upped my Proviron/Nolvadex and really starting to lean out for the July 4th weekend. It may not be the most ideal stack for cutting to some, but it is really helping with all the HIIT cardio, weight training and low carb dieting. Joints are good and strength is actually going up. Also I feel it is easier to keep my diet in check with deca vs. eq. Eq/Clen combo turned me into a sugar junkie and was a real test of will power. Labido is currently strong, actually got to keep that in check because running the clubs chasing girls can kill my training.
Everyone is correct, diet plays a critical role in cutting up. My personal opinions on this is Fineplex is the best overall agent for cutting. Best bang for the buck versus the rest.
solidspine
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I agree with the above posts, cutting is a function of diet and cardio,
But I seem to respond well on a low calorie diet to Primo, Fina and winny.
I will be starting a cutting cycle soon, Have all the gear, need more free time, and will use Fina, winny, deca and test for first 6 weeks then finish with deca and test for another 10 weeks.
But I seem to respond well on a low calorie diet to Primo, Fina and winny.
I will be starting a cutting cycle soon, Have all the gear, need more free time, and will use Fina, winny, deca and test for first 6 weeks then finish with deca and test for another 10 weeks.
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satchboogie
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MikeyG said:
that is absolutely correct.
i've cut very effectively with 500mg sustanon.
its all about the diet and perhaps a strict a.m cardio routine.
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Counterstrike
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I beg to differ! yes diet is a key role but SEX what amkes you or breaks you
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slobberknocker
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Everybody who actually named a steroid has some issues. You can take anything to bulk or cut, it doesn't really matter that much. It's all about food. 
Counterstrike said:
I agree 100%, pussy and tits is all you need for pre contest cycle. A little golden shower stack it with "69" 3-4 times per week and finish off the cycle with three short or long hits of "BJ" and your all ripped to shreads.
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slobberknocker
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Don't forget the doggystyle....... 
Fukkenshredded
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If you want to consider knowledge and experience as issues, then well, you would be right. I have both of those issues and I can assure you that different steroids impact the body differently.
For example, a person without issues such as mine might actually believe that test is as an effective anticatabolic agent as tren.
Which of course it is not.
These differences can lend themselves to certain dietary/nutitional environments. A low calorie environment is one where we might be interested in knowing which is the best anticatabolic, yes?
The idea that diet alone is the key is antiquated and has been thoroughly disproven over the years. Gear choice can have an impact as much as anything else.
For example, a person without issues such as mine might actually believe that test is as an effective anticatabolic agent as tren.
Which of course it is not.
These differences can lend themselves to certain dietary/nutitional environments. A low calorie environment is one where we might be interested in knowing which is the best anticatabolic, yes?
The idea that diet alone is the key is antiquated and has been thoroughly disproven over the years. Gear choice can have an impact as much as anything else.
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slobberknocker
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Sure, test/fina is great. So's test/dbol. Or test. Or eq/dbol. Or deca/dbol. Or fina/dbol. Or test/drol. Or fina/drol. Or test/fina/drol. Or test/deca/dbol. Or test/eq/fina/dbol. Or test/eq. Or test/eq/deca/fina/dbol. Or dbol/arim.
Those are ALL anticatabolic. And they're all great bulking or cutting cycles.
Juicing is easy. Lifting and eating, that's what separates the men from the boys.
Those are ALL anticatabolic. And they're all great bulking or cutting cycles.
Juicing is easy. Lifting and eating, that's what separates the men from the boys.
Mosshunter
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primo, winny and masteron by far are the best cuttting steroids.
Fukkenshredded
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Slobberknocker you are misinformed, and passing the inaccuracies on to those who are naive enough to listen.
Test/Dbol/Deca for cutting? You genuinely believe this is equivalent to test/winny/fina? You are telling us that all things being equal, these two combos will act the same on a person?
As long as their diet is in check, I suppose?
Sorry, sir, but that is plain wrong. Just absolutely wrong. The question is, why are you insisting that the combos of roids are immaterial? Is it that you really believe this or are you just being contrary? Is this based on personal experience/knowledge? You have tried all these combos? You have researched these combos?
Or are you just parroting what other big guys have told you?
I am not suggesting that cutting with these agents cannot be done. In fact, many months ago I posted on the very differences that certain steroids have and how one should approach cutting with them, all the while pointing out that cutting can be accomplished on any roid.
The quesiton is not, "Can it be done?", but rather, "Are some better than others for cutting?"
And the answer to that question is yes.
If you have some actual proof backing up your assertion that all steroids are equal perhaps you would be kind enough to share it with us?
We all like to learn.
Test/Dbol/Deca for cutting? You genuinely believe this is equivalent to test/winny/fina? You are telling us that all things being equal, these two combos will act the same on a person?
As long as their diet is in check, I suppose?
Sorry, sir, but that is plain wrong. Just absolutely wrong. The question is, why are you insisting that the combos of roids are immaterial? Is it that you really believe this or are you just being contrary? Is this based on personal experience/knowledge? You have tried all these combos? You have researched these combos?
Or are you just parroting what other big guys have told you?
I am not suggesting that cutting with these agents cannot be done. In fact, many months ago I posted on the very differences that certain steroids have and how one should approach cutting with them, all the while pointing out that cutting can be accomplished on any roid.
The quesiton is not, "Can it be done?", but rather, "Are some better than others for cutting?"
And the answer to that question is yes.
If you have some actual proof backing up your assertion that all steroids are equal perhaps you would be kind enough to share it with us?
We all like to learn.
I can tell you my success with fina. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I have a good diet, or even do cardio. Like you're supposed to in a cutting cycle, but I started out at 270 with around 20% bf and I weigh the same but am down to 16-17% bf after 5 weeks on fina. My gains have been off the charts, but it's really cut up my arms and chest. So FINA is my answer....
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slobberknocker said:Everybody who actually named a steroid has some issues. You can take anything to bulk or cut, it doesn't really matter that much. It's all about food.
So you're suggesting that given exactly the same diet, cutting with Dbol would give the same results as cutting with Fina? I can't agree with that. True, you can cut with anything if you work the right diet and training, but certain drugs make the process easier. How can you argue against the added fat burning effect from Fina for cutting? Just my opinion.
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slobberknocker
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In this thread, needsize said
"No steroid will help you lose fat, their role when cutting is simply to maintain muscle mass, while you use diet and cardio to drop the fat. Most people stick with gear that has a low conversion to estrogen so that they can avoid the water retention. But if you have liquidex/arimidex then you can basically use any steroid as part of a cutting cycle"
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=813&highlight=cutting
"No steroid will help you lose fat, their role when cutting is simply to maintain muscle mass, while you use diet and cardio to drop the fat. Most people stick with gear that has a low conversion to estrogen so that they can avoid the water retention. But if you have liquidex/arimidex then you can basically use any steroid as part of a cutting cycle"
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=813&highlight=cutting
Fukkenshredded
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Well, needsize was mistaken then. Many people on this board and others will tell you that no steroid burns fat. That simply is not true. Two steroids help to burn fat in a significant way--stanozolol and trenbelone acetate.
The actual mechanisms are complex, but there is a simple aspect to them both, which is that they increase body temperature. Winstrol is more pyrogenic than trenbelone, but they both exert this effect, and coupled with their anticatabolic effect, the net result is fatloss with muscle preservation.
I'm not sure where this whole idea that "winstrol does not burn fat" started, but I think it has to do with the fact that winstrol does not act directly upon the fat cell. That, couple dwith the tendency for people to simply repeat what they have been told without doing any research themselves has led to the acceptance of this myth (along with many others).
Of course winstrol burns fat. Anyone who has shot enough can tell you that without having to do any research. I have posted detailed accounts of the mechanisms through which this occurs, and I won't post it again here, but it is available with the search button, which is why it is so surprising that people still ask the question. (Now that I think about it, maybe George limited those threads' availability to platinum members--I am not one).
Anyway, all I am saying here is that I have not only had considerable experience here, but I have done the research and can back up what I claim. In fact, you will find that I rarely post (look at my registration date and the number of posts I have), and when I do I try to be certain that I am correct. This is not always the case (I have blundered a time or two), but more often than not I make a pretty good case for my claims. First off, I am lean year round. I don't bullshit about my BF%, pics are posted and are available for all to see. I'm not big, but I'm not scrawny either. Secondly, I'm not just altogether pure stupid. And thirdly, I THINK FOR MYSELF AND DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
I don't know everything there is to know about this issue. Not by a long shot. I want to learn, believe me. Many members on this board are more knowledgeable than I, and furthermore I can admit when I have made an error.
If I am in error here, please document it and I will gladly acknowledge the fact and learn from it. In the meanwhile, might I suggest that you rely less on what board members say and more on your own research, and if you are going to forward an assertion as fact, be sure that you know what you are talking about and be able to make a logical case rather than just sighting some thread made by someone else. You are responsible for your own words.
Lastly, when someone does make an error, it is not necessary to accuse them of 'having issues'. That is extremely presumptious, and as you can now see, is totally unwarranted. It sets the tone of arrogance, and in the event that you are wrong yourself (as in this case), it can be embarassing.
The actual mechanisms are complex, but there is a simple aspect to them both, which is that they increase body temperature. Winstrol is more pyrogenic than trenbelone, but they both exert this effect, and coupled with their anticatabolic effect, the net result is fatloss with muscle preservation.
I'm not sure where this whole idea that "winstrol does not burn fat" started, but I think it has to do with the fact that winstrol does not act directly upon the fat cell. That, couple dwith the tendency for people to simply repeat what they have been told without doing any research themselves has led to the acceptance of this myth (along with many others).
Of course winstrol burns fat. Anyone who has shot enough can tell you that without having to do any research. I have posted detailed accounts of the mechanisms through which this occurs, and I won't post it again here, but it is available with the search button, which is why it is so surprising that people still ask the question. (Now that I think about it, maybe George limited those threads' availability to platinum members--I am not one).
Anyway, all I am saying here is that I have not only had considerable experience here, but I have done the research and can back up what I claim. In fact, you will find that I rarely post (look at my registration date and the number of posts I have), and when I do I try to be certain that I am correct. This is not always the case (I have blundered a time or two), but more often than not I make a pretty good case for my claims. First off, I am lean year round. I don't bullshit about my BF%, pics are posted and are available for all to see. I'm not big, but I'm not scrawny either. Secondly, I'm not just altogether pure stupid. And thirdly, I THINK FOR MYSELF AND DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
I don't know everything there is to know about this issue. Not by a long shot. I want to learn, believe me. Many members on this board are more knowledgeable than I, and furthermore I can admit when I have made an error.
If I am in error here, please document it and I will gladly acknowledge the fact and learn from it. In the meanwhile, might I suggest that you rely less on what board members say and more on your own research, and if you are going to forward an assertion as fact, be sure that you know what you are talking about and be able to make a logical case rather than just sighting some thread made by someone else. You are responsible for your own words.
Lastly, when someone does make an error, it is not necessary to accuse them of 'having issues'. That is extremely presumptious, and as you can now see, is totally unwarranted. It sets the tone of arrogance, and in the event that you are wrong yourself (as in this case), it can be embarassing.
psychedout
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slobberknocker said:
Juicing is easy. Lifting and eating, that's what separates the men from the boys.
Amen to this. That line should be a sticky.
Stillgoing
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Fukkenshredded said:
Fukkenshredded is absolutely correct here. To summarize what he said: Cutting with any steroid will be more effective than cutting natural. No one will disagree with this. But some steroids are substantially better than others to cut with. No question about it. The best are clearly fina and winny, with help from any of the following: prop, suspension, anavar, anadrol, equipoise.
chronik000
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TREN ALL THE WAY
pajaro loco
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EXACTLLYslobberknocker said:
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