**The Anabolic Bible: Mastering The Art of Using Anabolic Steroids!**

[M Pwrd]

Are you saying I am also ross? If so you can ask for an IP check or you can go check on AR where I have a lot more posts under the name t3/t4 gsr and check my IP there where ross is perma banned and I wouldn't last to long.

 

[worldclass]

There is no way AR wrote that. As much as I disagree with him and his methods only a complete idiot would post that. It's right out of a comic book. Not a science or medical journal. It's too bad everyone's left the board to goofy people like this. I was going to start in on it but I wouldn't know where to begin.
Good luck with magic receptors and non-suppressing cycles.

 

[Ross]

Hi Ross,

It sounds like you've given things a lot of thought but I'd be willing to debate some issues.

Different gear hitting different receptors? I've always questioned that one, but I'll let the science guys chime in on that .

Up regulation of receptors? I remember Dan talking about that but even he was skeptical. Haven't heard much of that theory late and common sense makes me question it. What evidence do you have?

I've often spoke of using lower dosages because the body does continue to produce T and the less you use, the less suppression you have. Some guys think you're "shut down" no matter what. Not true. HOWEVER, I do think that if you're very suppressed and LH is next to nil, simply using a lower dose or a less androgenic compound won't be very helpful. You MAY get the HPTA to start fighting it's way back, but it's akin to tearing off a scab every time a wound heals. Yeah, maybe you'll heal eventually but it will take a VERY, VERY long time and may not happen at all. I think a little taper isn't a horrible idea but you're better off beginning full recovery sooner than prolonging the dependance on the gear.

Of course, a lot of this is contigent on the goals. Do you want to recover? Or just stay in an anabolic state?

How much of your gains have you maintained after being completely off everything for 2 months? What was your T level at that point? These are the real factors.

As for "different gear hitting different receptors"...

The hypothalamus has ANDROGEN, ESTROGEN, and PROGESTERONE receptors.

SOME steriods activate the ESTROGEN receptor(Testosterone, Dianabol, Deca), while some steroids do NOT activate the estrogen receptor AT ALL(Primobolan, Anavar, Masteron).

Some steroids activate the PROGESTERONE receptor. (Trenbolone, Deca)

ALL steroids activate the ANDROGEN receptor to varying degrees.

This is why SOME steroids cause SHUTDOWN(by oversaturating the receptors), while others do NOT(do NOT activate enough receptors for the hypothalamus to respond by shutting down the HPTA).

It is difficult to QUANTIFY how quickly one will recover while running a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), as it depends GREATLY on the individual. Having asid that, it is pretty safe to assume that just about ANYONE with a relatively healthy HPTA would recover 50% testosterone production using 300mgs Primobolan for 6 weeks. After the HPTA has 50% recovered, and you STILL continued to make gains, now you can start your AGRESSIVE PCT regimen.

EVEN a 25% recovery would be enough to COMPLETELY AVOID a POST CYCLE CRASH. This is the objective.

I enjoy your input Nelson.

 

[Ross]

Bump for questions.

 

[rdel85]

Has any one else on this board ever ran a mildly supressive steroid like some winny during the 2-3 week period it takes for the longer esters to clear? In theory it seems like a good concept, but then why isn't it preached? On the other hand I was thinking during the period it takes the esters to clear your test levels would still be above any natural level, so if you time the start of PCT correctly no muscle would be lost...correct?

Anyone??

 

[tshoot]

Did it this time - 40mg Var/50mg Winny ED for 3 weeks after my last Test shot. Shed some water weight, got somewhat more vascular, strength went up slightly. Started PCT two days after last dose of orals - so far strength has gone up slightly (added creatine after cycle stopped).

I have done this before with good results - seems to harden and define the physique a little after a test cycle and allows me to transition to PCT a little more smoothly.

 

[The_Chemist]

But he looks good, so how could he be wrong? Isn't that the main criteria around here?

Its not the main crieteria, but it definatley helps. I mean, you never know if there is another 150lb Jeff Summers behind the keyboard.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Its not the main crieteria, but it definatley helps. I mean, you never know if there is another 150lb Jeff Summers behind the keyboard.

He's behind the wheel of a Ferarri, last I heard. Bought in Cash, and driving it around Vegas.

 

[Ross]

Did it this time - 40mg Var/50mg Winny ED for 3 weeks after my last Test shot. Shed some water weight, got somewhat more vascular, strength went up slightly. Started PCT two days after last dose of orals - so far strength has gone up slightly (added creatine after cycle stopped).

I have done this before with good results - seems to harden and define the physique a little after a test cycle and allows me to transition to PCT a little more smoothly.

Great post, thank you for sharing your experience.

 

[elmerpr]

This post souds very logical and usefull to me. We better pay attention.