TESTOSTERONE is for women

[MS]

Maybe you slightly confused what your endo said? Test in the ranges you mentioned for women is unlikely to cause lipid problems UNLESS you're talking about women who have natural hormonal imbalances such as PCOS, in which case the high test/normal estrogen levels are linked to insulin resistance which is the real cause of the lipid probs. Same deal in men, but at higher doses. RG, have you ever had a glucose tolerance test? Of course, test can come with other 'sides' for women, but I wouldn't have said poor lipid profile was one of them.

The orals (including Anavar) are completley different-they have a direct impact on the liver, causing blood lipid disturbances even at very low doses. This is not the same as testosterone.

 

[Realgains]

I will ask our endo more about this . She did say that if the levels go much above high normal there will be an adverse affect on the hdl/ldl profile and ratio...how high above normal levels have to go I don't know. She always tests the lipids with follow up blood work.

One thing is for sure 17 aa roids are far worse for the lipid profile. My wifes lipid profile really suffered on but 10mg of ananvar per day....its back to normal now but she did have a hdl/ldl ratio of 15 to 1 while on!!!



RG

 

[Temple]

Maybe you slightly confused what your endo said? Test in the ranges you mentioned for women is unlikely to cause lipid problems UNLESS you're talking about women who have natural hormonal imbalances such as PCOS, in which case the high test/normal estrogen levels are linked to insulin resistance which is the real cause of the lipid probs. Same deal in men, but at higher doses. RG, have you ever had a glucose tolerance test? Of course, test can come with other 'sides' for women, but I wouldn't have said poor lipid profile was one of them.

The orals (including Anavar) are completley different-they have a direct impact on the liver, causing blood lipid disturbances even at very low doses. This is not the same as testosterone.

Thanks MS - to make sure that I am understanding this, in PCOS the problem is that estrogen levels stay the same whereas with supplemental test the estrogen is supressed?

Also do all drugs that impact the liver effect it the same way. For example would a daily diet of Tylenol cause problems with lipid profile or any of the other prescription drugs that have liver issues as a possible side?

 

[MS]

The problem in PCOS is most likely due to high insulin levels (which cause elevated test) combined with high bodyfat (a side effect of hyperinsulemia??). The high bodyfat/peripheral test leads to higher peripheral estrogen levels....this effectively shuts down E production from the ovaries, but the women's total E levels remain 'normal'.

A similar thing can happen in males with hyperinsulemia/obesity. They have higher E levels due to higher peripheral aromatase activity.

But I digress. My point was that women with endogenous excess test often also have other problems which are linked to the PCO syndrome, rather than a direct effect of test. So if a doc picked up a women with high test levels in the normal population, it would not be surprising that they will also often see elevated lipids. This is not the same as test causing the lipid disturbances.....the high test is just a symptom of an underlying pathology.

I would think the amount of supplemental test needed to elevate a women's lipids would be pretty high. I'm sure there are some Pro women who might have to worry about it, but most of us don't IMHO.

Many liver toxic drugs do not cause lipid problems. It depends on which system within the liver the drug effects. I would not expect normal Tylenol use to have any impact on lipids. As a strange side note, there is some evidence (at least in rats) that supplemental testosterone treatment helps to protect the liver from Tylenol damage However, the Tylenol would also possibly inhibit your anabolic response to exercise, so the best bet is to take the testosterone and leave the Tylenol on the shelf!

 

[Realgains]

UP for low sex drive and poor gains he he he

RG

 

[BrickGirl]

Could you use an injectable instead and if so, what ester and how much? I know it's a broad question, just wondering. Thanks

 

[newgirl-chargeback]

I was wondering about this too....good bump

 

[Realgains]

Could you use an injectable instead and if so, what ester and how much? I know it's a broad question, just wondering. Thanks

There is some evidence to suggest that esterfied T is not healthy if used over years.....but many would disagree with this.

If you did do T injections you need to be very careful as it is very easy to get too much. You need to try 5-10mg every 3 days to maintain T in the normal range with an even blood level. Injecting once a week will result in a high spike and then a big drop by day 5. At the least you should inject every 5th day with no more than 20mg.
After a couple week get you T levels checked and adjust the dose until you are maintaining T between 50 and 80.

It is best to use a long acting ester like Cyp or enanthate although sust would work too.

You need to get tiny little pins, like 27-30 gauge 1.5 inch pins, or your butt is going to take a beating over the months.
Also, you need to use a tiny syringe like a TB or slin syringe for the extra pushing power which is needed in order to get the liquid through the tiny pins....but more importantly you need them for VERY ACCURATE dosing!

RG

 

[newgirl-chargeback]

RG -- so you prefer cyp over prop? Can you enlighten me? And if I read this wrong and you do feel prop is a viable ester, what would you consider a safe dose/frequency.

 

[Realgains]

RG -- so you prefer cyp over prop? Can you enlighten me? And if I read this wrong and you do feel prop is a viable ester, what would you consider a safe dose/frequency.

Prop is best while taking bodybuilding doses and that would be 50-100mg per week, injecting every other day . You want the fast acting ester(prop) because if bad sides come on then you can bail out of a cycle fairly quickly.

Now for replacement therapy you want to avoid every other day injections for comfort sake and you want to use an ester that has a slower release so blood levels stay more consistent. You could use low dose prop but you would have to inject every other day in order to keep blood T levels consistent. So 5mg of prop every other day would work......

Remember that the injectable is more bioavailable than the gel so you could easily get by with 5mg of gel per day but that much test in IM form would be too much and would push yout T level over the upper limit of normal......do that over many months and you will get a dropped voice tone and hair growth for sure.

RG