test e for 1st cycle. (mr.x told me to, lol)

[viczeva]

ok guys,

ive been reading alot the last 5 weeks. i probably spend here like 4 hours a day here. so ive done my research, but i still have not found what aas should be used for a first cycle. i know many of u recommend test e, some recommend var, ect. but which one is it?!

BEFORE YOU ANSWER, LET ME TELL YOU MY GOALS FOR THIS CYCLE (my first one). and my stats: been training on and off for over 4 years, 21 years old, 202lb and bf is unknown, but im guessing 18-20%. i plan to bulk naturally for 4 months, and then cut down to about 12-15% before using aas. so i wont use them anytime soon, but i still wanna get educated as soon as possible.

i would like to add some 10-15lb of lean muscle mass and in the process drop some bf %. i have found that var is extremely effective at strenght, can produce the 10lb gain, drops bf and has minimal side effects. its expensive, but it works. this is why i had decided to make this my first cycle... 40mg ed for 6-8 weeks.

alot of u recommend test for a first cycle. so i did my research. if i did do it, i would do a low dose, 250-300mg a week. the problem with test, for me, is that you add alot of water weight. at the end of the cycle maybe ill have added 30lb, but after pct ill only keep like 10-15.... also the side effects are way more severe than var. also, because the increase of weight, and then the loss of weight is so fast. it would be common sence to assume im on steroids, something that i DONT WANT ANYBODY to know. also my skin is sensitive to stretch marks, so the quick gain in size and loss would defenetly stretch my skin... also im afraid of gyno, which test has been known to produce.

i know if i use arimidex water retention wont be so extreme, but doesnt one need the water have the best effects of test? also, ive bee told that arimidex is expensive. so i figure, if im gonna spend alot of cash, might as well go for the var. another thing about test, is that in here:
http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroids/profiles/enantate.htm
it says that test is not a cycle for a steroid newbie... mr.x has said otherwise, what is your opinion?

i would like to find something that gives extreme strenght gains, 10lb lm gain and that has low sides. i dont want to increase alot of size and then have to loose it. and i def dont want water retention...

i end with a quick thank you to all of you who are going to answer and help. thanx bros, i mean it. any experiences would help alot in order to make a decision, so post em if you have em. thanx!

-vic

ps. i dont mention much about pct, cause i want to choose the cycle before i go on it. but be sure that a proper pct will be emplemented no matter what.

 

[Mr.X]

ok guys,

ive been reading alot the last 5 weeks. i probably spend here like 4 hours a day here. so ive done my research, but i still have not found what aas should be used for a first cycle. i know many of u recommend test e, some recommend var, ect. but which one is it?!

BEFORE YOU ANSWER, LET ME TELL YOU MY GOALS FOR THIS CYCLE (my first one). and my stats: been training on and off for over 4 years, 21 years old, 202lb and bf is unknown, but im guessing 18-20%. i plan to bulk naturally for 4 months, and then cut down to about 12-15% before using aas. so i wont use them anytime soon, but i still wanna get educated as soon as possible.

i would like to add some 10-15lb of lean muscle mass and in the process drop some bf %. i have found that var is extremely effective at strenght, can produce the 10lb gain, drops bf and has minimal side effects. its expensive, but it works. this is why i had decided to make this my first cycle... 40mg ed for 6-8 weeks.

alot of u recommend test for a first cycle. so i did my research. if i did do it, i would do a low dose, 250-300mg a week. the problem with test, for me, is that you add alot of water weight. at the end of the cycle maybe ill have added 30lb, but after pct ill only keep like 10-15.... also the side effects are way more severe than var. also, because the increase of weight, and then the loss of weight is so fast. it would be common sence to assume im on steroids, something that i DONT WANT ANYBODY to know. also my skin is sensitive to stretch marks, so the quick gain in size and loss would defenetly stretch my skin... also im afraid of gyno, which test has been known to produce.

i know if i use arimidex water retention wont be so extreme, but doesnt one need the water have the best effects of test? also, ive bee told that arimidex is expensive. so i figure, if im gonna spend alot of cash, might as well go for the var. another thing about test, is that in here:
http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroids/profiles/enantate.htm
it says that test is not a cycle for a steroid newbie... mr.x has said otherwise, what is your opinion?

i would like to find something that gives extreme strenght gains, 10lb lm gain and that has low sides. i dont want to increase alot of size and then have to loose it. and i def dont want water retention...

i end with a quick thank you to all of you who are going to answer and help. thanx bros, i mean it. any experiences would help alot in order to make a decision, so post em if you have em. thanx!

-vic

ps. i dont mention much about pct, cause i want to choose the cycle before i go on it. but be sure that a proper pct will be emplemented no matter what.

Just to start off, I'm glad you're doing your research and reading my profiles. Those steroid profiles are from my site, like I told you before I need to update the test profile.

As first cycle with 300mgs of test/wk and 40mgs of anavar ED is a great cycle; in fact, just a straight test cycle with an anti-E like arimidex would be fine. Arimidex doesn't get rid of all water retention, so that's not a worry.

If you ran something like this, you'd do well:
300mgs test enan/wk 1-10
40mgs anavar ED/ wk 1-6
.5mgs arimidex ED/wk 1-10

keep nolvadex on hand; if you're really worried about gyno and you're gyno prone, it wouldn't hurt to add 10mgs nolvadex ED.

PCT: Clomid

 

[gstacker]

test will be the base of all your future cycles at least it should be imo so mine as well see how you react to it, water and bloat can be controlled by diet for the most part and with the low doses you plan on using and the armidex I see no worries for gyno also if money is a isue maybe bodybuilding is not for you

 

[viczeva]

Just to start off, I'm glad you're doing your research and reading my profiles. Those steroid profiles are from my site, like I told you before I need to update the test profile.

As first cycle with 300mgs of test/wk and 40mgs of anavar ED is a great cycle; in fact, just a straight test cycle with an anti-E like arimidex would be fine. Arimidex doesn't get rid of all water retention, so that's not a worry.

If you ran something like this, you'd do well:
300mgs test enan/wk 1-10
40mgs anavar ED/ wk 1-6
.5mgs arimidex ED/wk 1-10

keep nolvadex on hand; if you're really worried about gyno and you're gyno prone, it wouldn't hurt to add 10mgs nolvadex ED.

PCT: Clomid

thanx mr. x.

for my first cycle, i would like to run only one aas. so i would like to choose either between var or test e. i dunno why, but var seems to grab my attention...
about arimidex, since i does stop some water bloat, and since test e needs water to maximize its effects. wont arimidex hinder the full effects of test?

what effects should i expect from the cycle u mentioned? can i keep it down to 8 weeks? how long should the pct be ran for? as i mentioned, i dont want people to know im on steroids, wont the gains with test make it obvious?

u dont like just a var cycle? how come?

thanx again, vic.

 

[viczeva]

test will be the base of all your future cycles at least it should be imo so mine as well see how you react to it, water and bloat can be controlled by diet for the most part and with the low doses you plan on using and the armidex I see no worries for gyno also if money is a isue maybe bodybuilding is not for you

hey, thanx for answering. is not that money is an issue. its not to be honest, but i dont want to pay more when i can get the same results from something else at a cheaper price. also, if money were the issue, i dont think u should be telling me to stop lifting weights...

 

[Mr.X]

thanx mr. x.

for my first cycle, i would like to run only one aas. so i would like to choose either between var or test e. i dunno why, but var seems to grab my attention...
about arimidex, since i does stop some water bloat, and since test e needs water to maximize its effects. wont arimidex hinder the full effects of test?

what effects should i expect from the cycle u mentioned? can i keep it down to 8 weeks? how long should the pct be ran for? as i mentioned, i dont want people to know im on steroids, wont the gains with test make it obvious?

u dont like just a var cycle? how come?

thanx again, vic.

I was under the impression you wanted to stack 2 compounds. Like I said in my previous post, on your first cycle you'd do well with test + an anti-E (AI) like arimidex. Arimidex wont hinder the effects of test to any degree which should bring about worries for you. You can keep to a lower arimidex dose and add nolvadex if you wish, that's also an option. With a 300mg test cycle, .25mgs arimidex ED and 20mgs nolvadex ED is an option to consider.

You can keep the cycle to 8 weeks, but I would prefer to see you on a 10 week cycle for maximum results. As far as the PCT, 4 weeks of clomid should be plenty.

Anavar (oral only) cycles for newbies are not a good idea. There's absolutely no reason for your to run an oral only cycle your first time, especially with something weak like anavar. You're not going to get any significant results from it.

 

[UFC22]

Listen to X bro he won't do ya wrong! Go with a test base and throw in the var and you will be more than happy!

 

[viczeva]

thanx again,

my worry is that test will make me grow at such a fast rate that everybody will notice im on steroids... my family would be incredibly upset if they found out. thats why a var cycle sounded good to me, since i would only gain around 10-lb.

whats an average increase in weight that 1st time user experience while using arimidex? how much of that is keapable? would my strenght go up as much as on var? will i keep strenght gains?
i know it prob sounds dumb, but please bare with me. could i do a test cycle, and stop when im happy with the results. say im in week 5 and ive already put on 15 lb. can i just go to pct since im happy with the results?
vic

i really apreciate the help guys, i know some questions might have been asked before, so i apreciate the patience.

 

[Improvise]

I was under the impression you wanted to stack 2 compounds. Like I said in my previous post, on your first cycle you'd do well with test + an anti-E (AI) like arimidex. Arimidex wont hinder the effects of test to any degree which should bring about worries for you. You can keep to a lower arimidex dose and add nolvadex if you wish, that's also an option. With a 300mg test cycle, .25mgs arimidex ED and 20mgs nolvadex ED is an option to consider.

You can keep the cycle to 8 weeks, but I would prefer to see you on a 10 week cycle for maximum results. As far as the PCT, 4 weeks of clomid should be plenty.

Anavar (oral only) cycles for newbies are not a good idea. There's absolutely no reason for your to run an oral only cycle your first time, especially with something weak like anavar. You're not going to get any significant results from it.

I don't want to hijack this thread but I plan on running a Test E/Eq cycle soon and have nolvadex and clomid on hand. I didn't think I would need armidex since I got nolvadex? Armidex supresses bloating but doesn't help with gyno?

 

[Mr.X]

thanx again,

my worry is that test will make me grow at such a fast rate that everybody will notice im on steroids... my family would be incredibly upset if they found out. thats why a var cycle sounded good to me, since i would only gain around 10-lb.

whats an average increase in weight that 1st time user experience while using arimidex? how much of that is keapable? would my strenght go up as much as on var? will i keep strenght gains?
i know it prob sounds dumb, but please bare with me. could i do a test cycle, and stop when im happy with the results. say im in week 5 and ive already put on 15 lb. can i just go to pct since im happy with the results?
vic

i really apreciate the help guys, i know some questions might have been asked before, so i apreciate the patience.

It's hard to say how much you're going to gain. Anything I say about gains is nothing more then a guess. With the right diet, low sodium and proper ratios, you can drop some bodyfat and gain maybe 10lbs. of LBM +/-. If you run your PCT right, you should be able to keep all your gain minus bloat etc...

If you keep your bloat down, you will not have a big problem with your gains showing. I don't see how 10lbs. is going to make you look that much different at 200lbs. With the lower test dosages, you wont notice a huge problem with bloat, especially when you have arimidex in the mix.

Since your family doesn't approve of AS use, have you considered putting it off for a few years? maybe going natural? until your out on your own and can make your own decisions without worrying about others.

 

[viczeva]

hey mr.x,

thanx for all the quick replies.

so u think ill gain 10lb, thats it? i was under the impression i would gain alot more, specially since its my first cycle. also, 10 lb of lean muscle wont make a big diference on my frame? wow, i thought it would. i guess if this is true then im more open to that option.

in regards to the family thing, i already live on my own. the thing is that i come from a spanish culture, where family is very united, so i try to see my parents and brothers as much as possible, just tradition. but even if they did find out, i wouldnt care. i just would prefer if they did not.

what about the strenght gains? will they be as high as a var cycle? and... will i keep em. thanx again bro. u really are a lot of help.
-vic

 

[Mr.X]

hey mr.x,

thanx for all the quick replies.

so u think ill gain 10lb, thats it? i was under the impression i would gain alot more, specially since its my first cycle. also, 10 lb of lean muscle wont make a big diference on my frame? wow, i thought i would. i guess if this is true then im more open to it.

in regards to the family thing, i already love on my own. the thing is that i come from a spanish culture, where family is very united, so i try to see my parents and brtoehrs as much as possible, just tradition. but even if they did find out, i wouldnt care. i just would prefer if they did not.

what about the strenght gains? will they be as high as a var cycle? and... will i keep em. thanx again bro. u really are a lot of help.

You're not going to become a monster with a 10 week 300mg test cycle. If you keep your diet clean, sodium low and really dial in your training, you should be able to put on 10lbs. of LBM easily. Like I told you before, I am guessing these numbers because you're asking me to - based on my experience. You might very well gain 20lbs., so that's something to consider. If you're truly worried about weight gain, create a good story and stick to it - I'm not family counselor, but it would make sense for you to have something you can tell everyone you're doing. I.E. taking creating and protein shakes etc...

I don't want to talk about an anavar only cycle. Let me just put it this way, anavar only cycle will not yield results like a staright test cycle.

 

[william rand]

why dont you do winny/test rather than var/test? is var better than winstrol. Winstrol "ssems" to be more common, so I was wondering why no-one has mentioned that option.

 

[letsrun4it]

First cycle right now and I'm doing Test and Anavar.

Week 1-12 500mg Test C
Week 1-4 40mg Anavar bumped to 60mg a week

My blood pressure is up but I've been side effect free. Do the liquidex

 

[Roc86]

If your prone to stretch marks your gona get them with pretty much any legit size gain bro. Im a dark skinned greasy bastard and nobody in my fam has ever gotten any (not even the mom during pregnancy) and since highschool on me theyve popped up all over me. Pretty much on my bi's and tri's. I figure once I start AAS and get to me ideal size and am able to maintain just getem lasered off. Theres laser skin clinics that do all kinds of shit. TBH, there hardly noticeible if you have a tan anywho.... which brings me to conclusion .... X is a pretty smart guy bro, im young but ive ben around the gym/competition scene for quite some time, so take his advice. Im running my first cycle next year which will be test and arimidex, with either dbol for a kickstart or var at the end , havent decided. Ethanate results will be much more progressive due to the fact thgat its a slower ester.
ps, buy some NO2 or creatine, and act like thats whats blowing you up lol.

Roc

 

[viczeva]

First cycle right now and I'm doing Test and Anavar.

Week 1-12 500mg Test C
Week 1-4 40mg Anavar bumped to 60mg a week

My blood pressure is up but I've been side effect free. Do the liquidex

results so far? thanx

 

[viczeva]

just read this at http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catteste.htm

"In terms of an aromatase blocker, testosterone is one of the few compounds where Proviron may actually be preferred over arimidex. The proviron will not only reduce estrogen and can be used for extended time on a testosterone cycle, it will also bind with great affinity to sex-hormone binding proteins in the blood and will allow for a higher level of free testosterone in the body, thus improving gains. Usually 50-100 mg will suffice, the lower end is preferred for maximal results since estrogen plays a key role in gains, but those more worried about estrogen should opt for a higher dose....Those worried about hair loss however, may want to opt for arimidex as their anti-aromatase, since Proviron is a form of DHT after all."

ALSO

"Its very important that people see that HCG and Nolvadex/clomid are essential as a post-cycle therapy, and that both are equally important in achieving our goal. HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex/Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. Always remember that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid."

mr.x should i also consider hcg? or will clomid/nolva be enough? thanx guys, as always, i apreciate the help and info. thank you.j

 

[Mr.X]

just read this at http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catteste.htm

"In terms of an aromatase blocker, testosterone is one of the few compounds where Proviron may actually be preferred over arimidex. The proviron will not only reduce estrogen and can be used for extended time on a testosterone cycle, it will also bind with great affinity to sex-hormone binding proteins in the blood and will allow for a higher level of free testosterone in the body, thus improving gains. Usually 50-100 mg will suffice, the lower end is preferred for maximal results since estrogen plays a key role in gains, but those more worried about estrogen should opt for a higher dose....Those worried about hair loss however, may want to opt for arimidex as their anti-aromatase, since Proviron is a form of DHT after all."

ALSO

"Its very important that people see that HCG and Nolvadex/clomid are essential as a post-cycle therapy, and that both are equally important in achieving our goal. HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex/Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. Always remember that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid."

mr.x should i also consider hcg? or will clomid/nolva be enough? thanx guys, as always, i apreciate the help and info. thank you.j

Do me a favor, stick to one source of information. The internet is full of "gurus" , it's hard and time consuming for me to decipher every 'guru' statement out there.

Proviron is a weak anti-e, I wouldn't trade it for arimidex any day. From experience, 100mgs of proviron didn't even compare to .25mgs arimidex ED. Neither I nor my clients saw a feasible comparison between arimidex and proviron.

HCG is not necessary on a 10 week low dose test cycle. You will be able to recover with Clomid and nolva.

 

[letsrun4it]

results so far? thanx

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463802

 

[viczeva]

Do me a favor, stick to one source of information. The internet is full of "gurus" , it's hard and time consuming for me to decipher every 'guru' statement out there.

Proviron is a weak anti-e, I wouldn't trade it for arimidex any day. From experience, 100mgs of proviron didn't even compare to .25mgs arimidex ED. Neither I nor my clients saw a feasible comparison between arimidex and proviron.

HCG is not necessary on a 10 week low dose test cycle. You will be able to recover with Clomid and nolva.

thanx mr.x
u the man! anything else i should know? or any other comments? thank you!

vic

 

[Mr.X]

thanx mr.x
u the man! anything else i should know? or any other comments? thank you!

vic

Read, read, read, and keep on the research. I have some good profiles on my site (you already visit them), read those over. I will have some updated ones going in, in about 2 months.

 

[gstacker]

hey, thanx for answering. is not that money is an issue. its not to be honest, but i dont want to pay more when i can get the same results from something else at a cheaper price. also, if money were the issue, i dont think u should be telling me to stop lifting weights...

sometimes I go back and read my post and think damn I sound like a jerk, sorry bro........anyways armidex is an expensive anti e but really its not to costly and well worth it. your point well taken though but I think the test cycle will give you the results you want even though it cost a lil more

 

[viczeva]

sometimes I go back and read my post and think damn I sound like a jerk, sorry bro........anyways armidex is an expensive anti e but really its not to costly and well worth it. your point well taken though but I think the test cycle will give you the results you want even though it cost a lil more

no prob bro, no harm done. ive heard of liquidex, is that cheaper? does it have the same effects? thanx.
vic

 

[viczeva]

hey guys,

have any of you noticed bf% drop when on test e, or does it just get elevated? just wanted input on the issue. thanx guys!!
vic

 

[viczeva]

anybody?

 

[Mr.X]

hey guys,

have any of you noticed bf% drop when on test e, or does it just get elevated? just wanted input on the issue. thanx guys!!
vic

It all depends on your DIET...

 

[viczeva]

i will try to implement the cleanest bulk diet ever dreated, but i wanted to know if it was possible. thanx mrx, u answered my question.

 

[informed09]

Something to think about. Your first cycle with really fresh receptors. Take advantage of this. If you dont want people to know then either come up with the story and stick to it or wait till your ready. Go for the test!

 

[Mr.X]

i will try to implement the cleanest bulk diet ever dreated, but i wanted to know if it was possible. thanx mrx, u answered my question.

I'm sure you've looked at my bulking articles, some good info to get you startered.

 

[viczeva]

two quick questions for you guys.

ive been adviced to take 125mg test a week instead of the 300 mr.x recommended. i know the results wont be as strong, or as great. but results nonetheless. question is, at such low dosage, would it be worth it. also, i was told arimidex and pct were not needed when dosing so low, but could be done if i wanted to. i liked this idea, i respect the recomendation, but would at the same time know what some of you guys think.
numero dos, is there a difference in the quality of test e out there? ive been recommended QV test e. but was also told bd test was better. i think, test is test, but i could be wrong. any advice/comments on this?

thats it, thanx guys, i apreciate the help and the good looking out. glad to be a part of EF. thanx again.
vic

 

[Mr.X]

two quick questions for you guys.

ive been adviced to take 125mg test a week instead of the 300 mr.x recommended. i know the results wont be as strong, or as great. but results nonetheless. question is, at such low dosage, would it be worth it. also, i was told arimidex and pct were not needed when dosing so low, but could be done if i wanted to. i liked this idea, i respect the recomendation, but would at the same time know what some of you guys think.
numero dos, is there a difference in the quality of test e out there? ive been recommended QV test e. but was also told bd test was better. i think, test is test, but i could be wrong. any advice/comments on this?

thats it, thanx guys, i apreciate the help and the good looking out. glad to be a part of EF. thanx again.
vic

1) your body naturally produces 7-10mgs of test ED, that's 49-70mgs /week, so those test dosages are too low. Stick to one way of doing things. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and everyone's stinks

2) there are difference in quality, try pharm grade brands like Aburaihan or Schering, you can't go wrong with those.

 

[viczeva]

hows Enantat 250 by qv?

 

[Mr.X]

hows Enantat 250 by qv?

I consider QV a low quality vet grade product. It's "ok" at best.

 

[viczeva]

thanx mr.x, apreciate it. what u guys think about bm's test?

 

[viczeva]

any other opinions out there? thanx guys!

 

[viczeva]

ok bro,

im gonna write down eveything im planning to do, and im hopping you guys can help me out if anything is out of place. thanx!

week 1-10 300mg test e
week 1-10 .25 mg ed arimidex (or liquidex)
*should i change it to .50mg ed??????

nolva on hand just in case....

im gonna do 3 weeks of clomid for PCT, but do not know what dosages to do. could you guys please give out some advice...

vic.

still cant decide if either icn or iraninans

 

[viczeva]

ok bro,

im gonna write down eveything im planning to do, and im hopping you guys can help me out if anything is out of place. thanx!

week 1-10 300mg test e
week 1-10 .25 mg ed arimidex (or liquidex)
*should i change it to .50mg ed??????

nolva on hand just in case....

im gonna do 3 weeks of clomid for PCT, but do not know what dosages to do. could you guys please give out some advice...

vic.

still cant decide if either icn or iraninans

 

[RADAR]

ok bro,

im gonna write down eveything im planning to do, and im hopping you guys can help me out if anything is out of place. thanx!

week 1-10 300mg test e
week 1-10 .25 mg ed arimidex (or liquidex)
*should i change it to .50mg ed??????

nolva on hand just in case....

im gonna do 3 weeks of clomid for PCT, but do not know what dosages to do. could you guys please give out some advice...

vic.

still cant decide if either icn or iraninans

For a basic test cycle
clomid should be done as followed

300mgs day one
100mgs day 2-9
50mgs day 10-17

RADAR

 

[jonnydigital]

Isn't 300mg/week of Test kind of low for someone with fresh receptors? I thought 500mg/week was the norm for a first cycle? I wouldn't want to waste my first chance on something mediocre...

 

[*test-me*]

hey mr.x,

thanx for all the quick replies.

so u think ill gain 10lb, thats it? i was under the impression i would gain alot more, specially since its my first cycle. also, 10 lb of lean muscle wont make a big diference on my frame? wow, i thought it would. i guess if this is true then im more open to that option.

in regards to the family thing, i already live on my own. the thing is that i come from a spanish culture, where family is very united, so i try to see my parents and brothers as much as possible, just tradition. but even if they did find out, i wouldnt care. i just would prefer if they did not.

what about the strenght gains? will they be as high as a var cycle? and... will i keep em. thanx again bro. u really are a lot of help.
-vic

My first cycle was sustanon 250 i went from 168 to 187 and went up to 500mg a week, i also had nice strength gains. But I grew pretty fast my mom asked what i was doing different i just told her i was going to the gym more often she never asked again

 

[viczeva]

For a basic test cycle
clomid should be done as followed

300mgs day one
100mgs day 2-9
50mgs day 10-17

RADAR

thanx bro! any nolva for pct?

 

[RADAR]

thanx bro! any nolva for pct?

it never hurts to add some,you could run a dosage of 20mgs /day thru out,PCT is more important than the cycle itself since the recovery helps solidify gains, basically it depends on how you feel and the compounds that were ran.
a good addition would be some zinc, bulgarian tribulis

everyone has their preferences when it comes to PCT!

RADAR

 

[bigcountry61]

good to see u around Radar...

 

[needtogetaas]

ok guys,

ive been reading alot the last 5 weeks. i probably spend here like 4 hours a day here. so ive done my research, but i still have not found what aas should be used for a first cycle. i know many of u recommend test e, some recommend var, ect. but which one is it?!

BEFORE YOU ANSWER, LET ME TELL YOU MY GOALS FOR THIS CYCLE (my first one). and my stats: been training on and off for over 4 years, 21 years old, 202lb and bf is unknown, but im guessing 18-20%. i plan to bulk naturally for 4 months, and then cut down to about 12-15% before using aas. so i wont use them anytime soon, but i still wanna get educated as soon as possible.

i would like to add some 10-15lb of lean muscle mass and in the process drop some bf %. i have found that var is extremely effective at strenght, can produce the 10lb gain, drops bf and has minimal side effects. its expensive, but it works. this is why i had decided to make this my first cycle... 40mg ed for 6-8 weeks.

alot of u recommend test for a first cycle. so i did my research. if i did do it, i would do a low dose, 250-300mg a week. the problem with test, for me, is that you add alot of water weight. at the end of the cycle maybe ill have added 30lb, but after pct ill only keep like 10-15.... also the side effects are way more severe than var. also, because the increase of weight, and then the loss of weight is so fast. it would be common sence to assume im on steroids, something that i DONT WANT ANYBODY to know. also my skin is sensitive to stretch marks, so the quick gain in size and loss would defenetly stretch my skin... also im afraid of gyno, which test has been known to produce.

i know if i use arimidex water retention wont be so extreme, but doesnt one need the water have the best effects of test? also, ive bee told that arimidex is expensive. so i figure, if im gonna spend alot of cash, might as well go for the var. another thing about test, is that in here:
http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroids/profiles/enantate.htm
it says that test is not a cycle for a steroid newbie... mr.x has said otherwise, what is your opinion?

i would like to find something that gives extreme strenght gains, 10lb lm gain and that has low sides. i dont want to increase alot of size and then have to loose it. and i def dont want water retention...

i end with a quick thank you to all of you who are going to answer and help. thanx bros, i mean it. any experiences would help alot in order to make a decision, so post em if you have em. thanx!

-vic

ps. i dont mention much about pct, cause i want to choose the cycle before i go on it. but be sure that a proper pct will be emplemented no matter what.

21 you still got some life theft in them balls bro.get every thing you can all natheral before you jump in.

 

[viczeva]

21 you still got some life theft in them balls bro.get every thing you can all natheral before you jump in.

i hear ya bro, i wont start for a couple of months, since my bulking is going great (11 pounds so far). but i cant help to be curious... i want to use them sooooo bad, lol. i can see it now..."oh mother of god, is that hulk over there" "no, no, its just viczeva..." lol.
in another note, thanks to all the guys that gave out advice. i always apreciate the help.
vic