Test E and Deca First Cycle

[davenukem]

At your height I would get up to about 180-185 lbs before hitting the sauce for the first time. I did it that way and glad I did.
Drop the deca altogether, you need to evaluate how your body responds to running just one compound for the first time (the base hormone testosterone). Have an AI on hand but dont use it until you have to because, once again, you dont even know if you need it or not. Some guys need more AI than others. If you use the AI from the start you wont know if you even needed it in the first place. Always do cycles with as little different drugs thrown in as you can get away with.
Raise the test dose to 375/wk for 10 weeks, broken into two equal shots spread out in the week (like Sunday/Wednesday or something)

Cheers for the advice, will definitely go with the test only and 375 sounds good. I have always been quite light, difficulty putting weight on but loose it in no time, dads the same. I know i could grow more naturally, and im sure a good percentage of users could, but here we are. Most my mates just throw dbol down their throats before a workout, these guys only been training about a year.

 

[buttbeater]

Leave the Deca alone bro! Trust me.

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[RickRock13]

DECA should not be part of a first cycle. Test only with an oral is all you need

You don't want to ever go too little on PCT bro. Here is what I recommend

PCT


Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

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Another effective PCT:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Unleashed (NTBM or MR Supps)
Test Infusion (MR Supps)
Forged Methyl EAA (MR Supps or NTBM)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

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[Zyglamail]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

I would wager a large majority would need an AI if the goal is to keep estrogen within normal lab range on 250mg/wk of test.

Your blanket assumption that an AI at this dose isnt needed and even dangerous is why we see so many people running around crying they got gyno.

 

[motionx77]

i don't know anyone who takes it but whatever op you have two opinions from two diffrent people, now make your best decision. you might need the ai later anyway so keep it there
if for emergencies have nolva on hand, it's cheap and effective for emergencies (or letro)

 

[Zyglamail]

i don't know anyone who takes it but whatever op you have two opinions from two diffrent people, now make your best decision. you might need the ai later anyway so keep it there
if for emergencies have nolva on hand, it's cheap and effective for emergencies (or letro)

You looking at this as a use or dont use scenario which are not the only points.

And for the record Im not saying blindly use an AI, im saying start at a commonly accepted starting point for your cycle, then get labs a few weeks in and adjust accordingly.

Waiting until you have symptoms of gyno is a piss more methodology for judging need and dose. With lab testing as easy and cheap as they are there are no reasons this all has to be a guessing game.

 

[davenukem]

Muscle gains are the goal! However, i got my stats worked out properly. Height 5'8.4" Weight 168 pounds 21% bf, so yea, a little off with the tape measure!

Decided to run the test e at 500, this seems to be the standard first cycle is there a standard pct? Guy says he never done nolva/clomid just HCG 3 weeks after but im only hearing of guys running it during? Also i hear clomid 4 weeks at 50mg/day is all thats needed but there are so many different opinions, anybody got one thats tried tested and true? Im seeing some people list a ton of things, but what are the real essentials for a test e only cycle? Im not trying to do all this on pennies but im no millionaire!

Haven't began the cycle yet dont plan to until 100% on everything.

 

[bonacris]

At 21% bf you are in no shape to doing steroids.. that %bf and only 168 means you have very little muscle mass.

Not being a cunt but most people will agree

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[davenukem]

At 21% bf you are in no shape to doing steroids.. that %bf and only 168 means you have very little muscle mass.

Not being a cunt but most people will agree

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Ok, i don't mind waiting. What weight should i be at?

 

[bonacris]

1st thing you need to do is get your bodyfat down.. 21% is way to high. Anything under 15 is decent. Under 10 and you're really in control of your diet.. 12% @ 175lbs would be a great starting weight but if you could do that naturally then keep going naturally with out gear until you hit a plateau

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