Test E and Deca First Cycle

[davenukem]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

 

[joonp]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

No ai on cycle and ur pct is pretty limited. Ur gonna hear bout this....

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[bonacris]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

1. welcome to the site..

2. I would put on another 10lbs naturally before considering AAS.. your still a little bit small

3. Try get your body fat down to 12% most people under estimate their bf so I naturally assume your bf is higher than 15%

4. Deca is a bad choice for a 1st cycle. it is a crazy long ester and can be detected up to over a year after you finish so imagine how long it takes to recover from. Trust me I ran deca my 1st cycle and am still paying for it..

5 your PCT is lacking.. dont run HCG in Pct and nolva with deca is a no no.. nolva isnt enough to recover from a cycle like this..

6. Do you know how to control prolactin and estrogen.


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[motionx77]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

 

[davenukem]

Thanks for the replies!

What exactly do you mean by still paying for it?

Should I not use the hcg at all? General pct advice for test Deca seems to be

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

Is this dude way off with this cycle?

 

[motionx77]

he means to say that his recovery after coming off has been harsh, but generally that happends for an already damaged hpta

 

[davenukem]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

You think maybe see how the first 4 weeks go and up the test to 500? Or just 500 from week 1?

 

[motionx77]

from week one
in that case you might need an ai like aromasin or arimidex
or for the 500mg/wk test you could get away with a low dose (300mg/wk) of masteron to handle the estrogen and for its benefits


i can take 750mg of aromatizable compounds and get a very mild bloat with no signs of gyno but people are diffrent and that's not the case for everyone

 

[-SD-]

At your height I would get up to about 180-185 lbs before hitting the sauce for the first time. I did it that way and glad I did.
Drop the deca altogether, you need to evaluate how your body responds to running just one compound for the first time (the base hormone testosterone). Have an AI on hand but dont use it until you have to because, once again, you dont even know if you need it or not. Some guys need more AI than others. If you use the AI from the start you wont know if you even needed it in the first place. Always do cycles with as little different drugs thrown in as you can get away with.
Raise the test dose to 375/wk for 10 weeks, broken into two equal shots spread out in the week (like Sunday/Wednesday or something)

 

[dylangemelli]

when you are first riding a motorcycle, do you start with a harley davidson or do you get on a starter bike? when you first start playing basketball, do you start out at the three point line or do you work your way out?

so when you are first starting steroids, why in the world would you start with deca, introducing your body to foreign substances that harsh without letting them adapt to other things over periods of times? Do you see where im coming from? you have no business running something like deca on a first cycle... you are already way undersized as it is and could grow a lot more naturally... if your intent on running a cycle, then run test and an oral... you don't ever want to run things like tren and deca on a first cycle... what's your main goal here?