Test E 250 and d-bol? Any anti-estrogens needed?

[thumper36]

I have finally got my first cycle down I think. I think that I will go with:
Test-E 250 weeks 1-10
Dianabol weeks 1-4

I wanted to ask the more experienced guys on here if there was a anti-estrogen needed and what should I go with. And if you were me, what should I take for PCT? I read the pct thread, but I still dont understand fully.Thanks in advance

 

[eddymerckx]

AIs are as much a part of a cycle as the gear itself---not that you have to use it, but you must have it on hand. for your cycle--adex or aromasin. if you get sides, post them and we will give you some dose advice--but get either or both.

 

[needtogetaas]

I have finally got my first cycle down I think. I think that I will go with:
Test-E 250 weeks 1-10
Dianabol weeks 1-4

I wanted to ask the more experienced guys on here if there was a anti-estrogen needed and what should I go with. And if you were me, what should I take for PCT? I read the pct thread, but I still dont understand fully.Thanks in advance

Whats the dose on the dbols bro? I think 25mg ed would be good.

First off its good you are asking bro. Always make sure you have everything on hand before you start a cycle.

I would have Arimidex and Letrozole on hand before starting a cycle. You may not need ether but its best to have them both. Get them here Clenbuterol, Buy clenbuterol, Clenbuterol Side Effects. pm me I will give you a discount for this place too.


PCT well lets see. There is like 100 ways you could do it. In the end you have to make up your mind for yourself though. Whats the best pct for you? The one you have the most confidence in at this point. You have never don it before so you are going blind.

What ever pct you chose it should start 2 weeks after you cycle is over. Here is a list to chose from.

1.A combo of Sustain Alpha,post cycle and unleashed, run for weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle.

2. Testosterone Recovery Stackrun for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle


3. hcg 500iu's ew starting week 4 of the cycle and run 1 weeks past cycle, clomid 50mg ed,Sustain Alpha 5 pumps ed. Run for 4 weeks. Again started 2 weeks after last shot of test.


Or you could just say the hell with it and take your chances with just 50mg of clomid for 4-6 weeks started 2 weeks after cycle. This is the only option I don't like. I think it sucks and most people feel like shit. Some people feel ok and some feel great but most people feel like shit or just ok.

All other options make recovery much better. Get with me in a pm for more info on any one of these products from clomid to sustain and a discount on all of them. I am here to help if you need more advice. Pm me any time.

 

[HAYEZ]

why only 250 per week why not 500? 250 is just above a hrt dose

1-10 test
1-4 dbol
adex keep on hand incase bloat if so start .25 eod adjust dose as needed..if you only do 250 test you wont need it for that but the dbol you may possibly

pct
nolva
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha
thats the pct i use with every pct i have done and my test levels are still mid 600s out of 800s

 

[Bigpimpin10]

hayez...everybodys bodys different so he might be prone to it or not...and i think 250 is fine.. hrt or no hrt... hes still got natural test and 250mg..wil make it rise even more..giving him gains.. so the next cycle he can go 500 and see even better gains..

im loving this post...finally a guy thats doing 250 instead of 500..

 

[the elite addict]

why only 250 per week why not 500? 250 is just above a hrt dose

1-10 test
1-4 dbol
adex keep on hand incase bloat if so start .25 eod adjust dose as needed..if you only do 250 test you wont need it for that but the dbol you may possibly

pct
nolva
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha
thats the pct i use with every pct i have done and my test levels are still mid 600s out of 800s

I couldnt agree more. 250mg is only good for a first cycle or for bridging. If your going to shiut yourself down, you might as well do a sufficient dose.

 

[zack!!!]

i think it still really depends on the person but you are all right 250 is the best place to start but as for me at 250 i didn't see very good gains

 

[HAYEZ]

hayez...everybodys bodys different so he might be prone to it or not...and i think 250 is fine.. hrt or no hrt... hes still got natural test and 250mg..wil make it rise even more..giving him gains.. so the next cycle he can go 500 and see even better gains..

im loving this post...finally a guy thats doing 250 instead of 500..

no he will have 250mg and shut down his natural production...so he is replacing basic nat t with something just above that..might as well save ur money and time...

 

[HAYEZ]

i think it still really depends on the person but you are all right 250 is the best place to start but as for me at 250 i didn't see very good gains

you and most others will not see gains..i would still love to hear who started this rumor that 250 ew is a great cycle..
maybe someone who just started working out that shouldnt be useing steroids anyway......

 

[needtogetaas]

you and most others will not see gains..i would still love to hear who started this rumor that 250 ew is a great cycle..
maybe someone who just started working out that shouldnt be useing steroids anyway......

Slat1 seems to come around preaching it pretty hard. I few others too. Myself I say start at 500mg. Do I think you can't get gains from 250mg? No? I just thin 500 is the right place to start as far as test goes.

 

[HAYEZ]

Slat1 seems to come around preaching it pretty hard. I few others too. Myself I say start at 500mg. Do I think you can't get gains from 250mg? No? I just thin 500 is the right place to start as far as test goes.

seems those that do try 250ew end up mid cycle upping the dose or being dissapointed with the results...there will always be some that get results..but is it because there new to lifting? have low test naturally?
few years ago test 500 deca 400 with dbol or test 500 eq 400 with dbol would of been standard..just wondering what happened....
me personally wouldnt suggest below 500 to anybody...all the time and effort put into a cycle for bare min results just isnt worth it

 

[Nelson Montana]

seems those that do try 250ew end up mid cycle upping the dose or being dissapointed with the results...there will always be some that get results..but is it because there new to lifting? have low test naturally?
few years ago test 500 deca 400 with dbol or test 500 eq 400 with dbol would of been standard..just wondering what happened....
me personally wouldnt suggest below 500 to anybody...all the time and effort put into a cycle for bare min results just isnt worth it

Not saying you're wrong but you're overlooking the fact that recovering from 250 is easier than recovering from 500.

What people were doing a few years ago is irrelevant. In the 60's and 70's people were doing cycles of nothing but 20 mgs of dbol and making better gains than some of these tards on 2 grams of gear, so it really has noting to do with anything.

 

[sweed]

Great first cycle, but the OP never mentioned his stats! got any pics too bro?

I went with 500 for my first and I loved it. maybe 250mgs e5d, that's about 350/ week.

 

[thumper36]

Great first cycle, but the OP never mentioned his stats! got any pics too bro?

I went with 500 for my first and I loved it. maybe 250mgs e5d, that's about 350/ week.

Yeah man, I will get some pics up. I am 6'3 245 and when I was checked at the fire dept., I was 13.5 percent body fat(been lifting heavy and eating more since then so I would guess im around 15.5-16 percent now). I used to be obese(weighed 325 and nothing but fat) when I was a teen so I have a little loose skin on my lower abdomen. I am just taking 250 because I wanna see how my body responds to it. I have been able to gain muscle fairly easy, but because of my low metabolism, I have to do a ton of cardio just to maintain so I have always hindered my muscle gains by doing 45 minutes of cardio about 6 times a week. Thats another question I have, so I still do cardio with my shitty metabolism, maybe cut it down to about 30 minutes or just cut it out completely right now.

 

[V-Machine]

250 is just fine. Made 26lb on my first cycle with just that. Kept 21. Shit I do 500 now and still gain. Too many people are too eager to use high doses.

Slat1 seems to come around preaching it pretty hard. I few others too. Myself I say start at 500mg. Do I think you can't get gains from 250mg? No? I just thin 500 is the right place to start as far as test goes.

 

[coffee018]

^^^^^^^agreed^^^^^^^^^^^^^

10 years ago I did my first cycle of 250mg of sust a week. I was 18 and 170 lbs. Yes too early, but I gained 15lbs and put 50lbs on my bench press. Went from 300 to 350lbs.

 

[Unit 2005]

I agree that everyone is different but id go with 500 a week if it was just test but considering you are doing a month of dbol too im sure you will see good gains in size and strength. The guys are spot on with other advice, keep the anti es on hand but dont use them unless you need to. Obviously you will post cycle. good luck bro.

 

[thumper36]

I agree that everyone is different but id go with 500 a week if it was just test but considering you are doing a month of dbol too im sure you will see good gains in size and strength. The guys are spot on with other advice, keep the anti es on hand but dont use them unless you need to. Obviously you will post cycle. good luck bro.

This may be a stupid question, but other that bitch tits, how would I know if I need them on cycle? Also, does anyone know what would be a good dosage of d-bol for the first 4 weeks and should I go with a liver support during dbol. I read that d-bol is rough on the liver. Does anyone make a good PCT kit to take after cycle? What is a good liver support pill.

 

[rikishi]

I read that d-bol is rough on the liver. Does anyone make a good PCT kit to take after cycle? What is a good liver support pill.

DBol is rough on the liver but if you only run it for 4 weeks with liver support you will be fine. As for good on cycle support look here

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[Unit 2005]

You could take milk thistle when on the dbol but it wont make a great deal of difference, just stay away from alcohol and pain killers whilst on the dbol. Id run it at 30mg per day for the first 4 weeks, you could go up to 50 but the sides will be higher too. As far as the anti es go, ye gyno will be the big one also excess water and/or fat retention/gain.

Not to sure what you mean by a post cycle kit. Just make sure you have nolvadex and hcg and you will be fine.

Good luck.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Letro, nolva, arimidex, caber, proviron... (pick and choose)

 

[dsteel]

I have finally got my first cycle down I think. I think that I will go with:
Test-E 250 weeks 1-10
Dianabol weeks 1-4

I wanted to ask the more experienced guys on here if there was a anti-estrogen needed and what should I go with. And if you were me, what should I take for PCT? I read the pct thread, but I still dont understand fully.Thanks in advance

Im doing the same cycle starting tomorrow

Needto gave me some great advice with the PP Test Recovery stack for PCT I am also gonna use Hcg through out, im sure this has already been posted a few times another wont hurt tho

 

[shirlock]

I used 250mg of sus pw first cycle & went from 220 to 244 lb's in 12 wks. after pct managed to stabalise my weight at 237 lbs.

Not new to lifting by any means but just the magic of my first cycle. I personally wouldn't hesitate to recommend a lower dose
to begin with, after all if you're training hard & eating clean you still will see reasonably good gains.

 

[thumper36]

Yeah, my source fell through so I am giving up on trying for the real gear. Im in nursing school and I really cant afford to get caught. I going is a designer steroid stack. Icon and monsterdrol. I am seeing unbelievable gains with just no-xplode,cellmass, and nitrix so the "prohormones" should suite me well. I have always done so much cardio because I used to be obese and I have to do alot just to maintain 13-14 percent b/f. Well, I bumped the cardio down to 30 minutes and day and I have my diet in check and I am really growing. I always cancelled out my lifting with so much cardio( I used to do 60 minutes a day) I was always just small and could never gain any muscle. I have to say that I am pretty excited about the ICON and monsterdrol. I will see if its all hype or not.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

Yeah, my source fell through so I am giving up on trying for the real gear. Im in nursing school and I really cant afford to get caught. I going is a designer steroid stack. Icon and monsterdrol. I am seeing unbelievable gains with just no-xplode,cellmass, and nitrix so the "prohormones" should suite me well. I have always done so much cardio because I used to be obese and I have to do alot just to maintain 13-14 percent b/f. Well, I bumped the cardio down to 30 minutes and day and I have my diet in check and I am really growing. I always cancelled out my lifting with so much cardio( I used to do 60 minutes a day) I was always just small and could never gain any muscle. I have to say that I am pretty excited about the ICON and monsterdrol. I will see if its all hype or not.

i remember using no xplode axis ht and nitrix...wow..big time change... vascularity..defined..and big..it was awesome..definetly a stack i would reccomend