Test/dbol/fina cycle

[Busta]

how does this look?


Week----------Dbol---------Test----------Fina-------HCG--------Clomid
1----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
2----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
3----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500wk----------
4----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500 wk-----------
5----------------40ed--------500wk-------75ed------------------------
6------------------------------500wk-------75ed-------------------------
7------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
8------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
9----------------------------------------------75 ed------------------------
10--------------------------------------------75ed-------------------------
11------------------------------------------------------3000wk--300+50wk
12---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
13---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
14---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk

 

[guards]

Don't do dbol and fina at the same time....too toxic

 

[Busta]

can I start fina right after Im done with dbol?

 

[FatChops]

how does this look?


Week----------Dbol---------Test----------Fina-------HCG--------Clomid
1----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
2----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
3----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500wk----------
4----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500 wk-----------
5----------------40ed--------500wk-------75ed------------------------
6------------------------------500wk-------75ed-------------------------
7------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
8------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
9----------------------------------------------75 ed------------------------
10--------------------------------------------75ed-------------------------
11------------------------------------------------------3000wk--300+50wk
12---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
13---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
14---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk

Looks good except I wouldn't run fina and dbol at the same time. Run the test for 10 wks. But looks like you will have some great gains. good luck

Chops

 

[OAKBOX]

Why can't you run fina and dbol together?

Bump for info on this!

 

[serge]

how does this look?


Week----------Dbol---------Test----------Fina-------HCG--------Clomid
1----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
2----------------40ed--------500wk--------------------------------------
3----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500wk----------
4----------------40ed--------500wk-----------------2500 wk-----------
5----------------40ed--------500wk-------75ed------------------------
6------------------------------500wk-------75ed-------------------------
7------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
8------------------------------500wk-------75ed----3750wk----------
9----------------------------------------------75 ed------------------------
10--------------------------------------------75ed-------------------------
11------------------------------------------------------3000wk--300+50wk
12---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
13---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk
14---------------------------------------------------------------------50wk

why bother staggering shit? take all three at the same time for 6-8 weeks depending on your testosterone

 

[alien amp pharm]

I am running a very similar cycle right now. It's dbol 25-30mg/ED wk1-4, test enan 500mg/E3D(frontload gram 1st wk), and then Fina wk5-8 or 9.

Guards and Fatchops, make sure I'm reading this correctly: you're saying don't run dbol and fina at the SAME TIME DURING a cycle, right? Not don't run them both in one cycle??

Hey Busta, want to see who gains more pounds off this cycle? It'll be like UT vs Florida in football. -You damn Gator fan!

 

[alien amp pharm]

Re: Re: Test/dbol/fina cycle

why bother staggering shit? take all three at the same time for 6-8 weeks depending on your testosterone

Probably because he wants to still have a liver left after this cycle.

 

[OAKBOX]

I still don't see why you can't run a Dbol/fina cycle? You might be grumpy, but you'll be powerful!!!

Bump again for some info, pls.

 

[serge]

Re: Re: Re: Test/dbol/fina cycle

Probably because he wants to still have a liver left after this cycle.

how is taking all 3 at the same time going to change that? let me quess, you beleave that fina is hard on the liver??? no no, wait so its injectible test right???

here is an idea, how about less ignorat coments, and more research/reading on anabolic pharmacology???

 

[CrazyRican]

i did a cycle just like that, same dosages but i started the fina on week four alongside the dbol. i had absolutely no problems or kidney pain. just drink alot of water and take the regular liver protectors and you'll be fine. by the way i gained 23 lbs and i'm only 5'7 and it wasn't my first cycle.

 

[Busta]

Your on alien amp pharm!! how much have you gained so far?

Do you guys think that 40ed of dbol is too much? Will the bloat be gone at the end of my cycle since I will stop dbol at week 5 and cycle continues to week 10?

Also can I start taking fina right after my last day of dbol??

 

[Busta]

CrazyRican, I am pumped to start this cycle 23lbs would be real nice! Nice to see a fellow South Floridian here!

Boricua!!

 

[Crankin'steiN]

Liver who needs a liver take the d-bol and fina together, get HUGE and then get a new liver at the grocery store.....

 

[FatChops]

I am running a very similar cycle right now. It's dbol 25-30mg/ED wk1-4, test enan 500mg/E3D(frontload gram 1st wk), and then Fina wk5-8 or 9.

Guards and Fatchops, make sure I'm reading this correctly: you're saying don't run dbol and fina at the SAME TIME DURING a cycle, right? Not don't run them both in one cycle??

Hey Busta, want to see who gains more pounds off this cycle? It'll be like UT vs Florida in football. -You damn Gator fan!

Yes that is correct. I just think our bro here would still like to have a liver. Fina and dbol are harsh on the liver byitself just imagine what dbol and fina would do together.

Chops

 

[FatChops]

Liver who needs a liver take the d-bol and fina together, get HUGE and then get a new liver at the grocery store.....

Or you can do crackin' idea...that worked for me!!!lol

chops

 

[IronMonkey69]

Thats a pretty popular cycle right now, except for the hcg. What I've seen (and doing) is to run the test for 10weeks, the dbol 1-5 and the fina 7-12.

They are not saying dbols and fina are a bad cycle combination, they just dont want you to run at the same exact time. The fina/kidney probs are starting to be seen as having no relation to each other but due to the harsh nature of Dianabol I would want to stack as little as possible with it..personal opinin only. Good luck

 

[serge]

Yes that is correct. I just think our bro here would still like to have a liver. Fina and dbol are harsh on the liver byitself just imagine what dbol and fina would do together.

Chops

how is fina harsh on the liver? ints not c-17 alkylated

please do explain, come on, explain

 

[Busta]

Do I need to wait a week before I can start taking fina or a day or two after my last dbol dose is ok?

I am taknig the HCG because I have a hard time getting my natural HTPA back to normal so I am hoping this will help.

 

[Busta]

Bump for answers

 

[serge]

Bump for answers

the guy does not have any answeres, he just bables useless bullshit, myths, superstitions. there have been studies done that prove trenbolone to be no more toxic to liver or kidneys then any other injectible, tren/dboll is a classic stack for mass with less water retension

 

[alien amp pharm]

the guy does not have any answeres, he just bables useless bullshit, myths, superstitions. there have been studies done that prove trenbolone to be no more toxic to liver or kidneys then any other injectible, tren/dboll is a classic stack for mass with less water retension

Okay, first calm down. We can discuss this peacefully.
Now I have never said that I'm an expert or even familiar with Fina/Tren, so I do claim some responsibility for lack of intellegence when it comes to Fina/Tren.

Now, what did you just say in the above paragraph. "studies done that prove tren to be NO MORE TOXIC to liver or kidneys THAN ANY OTHER INJECTABLE. Okay, you were right, maybe it's not as toxic as some believe, but it still is toxic. Then if you add it along with the high dose of dbol he's running PLUS the test, -that's a lot of gear running thru your body at once. I would not suggest this, but then again, this is coming from someone that doesn't like running extreme cycles. - Maybe I'm over cautious.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Busta,

I it has been one week exactly today. I am up from 178 pounds to 183 (5'-9"). I do have a little 'roid gut' showing however. The bloat is practically none though, since I'm doing 1mg liquidex ED.
I front-loaded this first week with a gram of test enanthate along with 30 mg dbol per day. I'm waiting till week 5 or so to start the Tren. i took some before pics I might post at the end of the cycle.

Anyhow, good luck on your cycle. Keep me updated.

 

[FatChops]

No i am not bashing my man's cycle hear. I know a lot of people that have taken this similar cycle, but they have had bad expeirences, but it is a awsome cycle. Good luck.

Chops

 

[serge]

Now, what did you just say in the above paragraph. "studies done that prove tren to be NO MORE TOXIC to liver or kidneys THAN ANY OTHER INJECTABLE. Okay, you were right, maybe it's not as toxic as some believe, but it still is toxic. Then if you add it along with the high dose of dbol he's running PLUS the test, -that's a lot of gear running thru your body at once. I would not suggest this, but then again, this is coming from someone that doesn't like running extreme cycles. - Maybe I'm over cautious.

ok, so what you are saying is that you are against running 3 different drugs all at the same time, since you have agreed that tren is no more toxic then any other injectable, then all it comes down is the number of drugs; hence classic stacks like test/eq/dboll all at the same time are out of question also.........right?

 

[serge]

I know a lot of people that have taken this similar cycle, but they have had bad expeirences, but it is a awsome cycle. Good luck.

Chops

i know people who regularly take 4000mg+/week of combination of 3-6 different anabolics and look like then never picked up a weight, WHATS YOUR POINT???

 

[alien amp pharm]

ok, so what you are saying is that you are against running 3 different drugs all at the same time, since you have agreed that tren is no more toxic then any other injectable, then all it comes down is the number of drugs; hence classic stacks like test/eq/dboll all at the same time are out of question also.........right?

Alright, you win! I admit that dbol,test,tren at the same time MAY NOT BE too awful on the body.

Let me make 2 last points though:
1. From what I've gathered, nobody really knows for a fact how harsh tren is on the kidneys OR the LIVER. You said there's been studies on this exact thing - could you please post links or parts of the article because I would like to read them because I can't find anything. -All I've ever found is studies that 'beat around the bush' and never gives any clear-cut answer to this question. And it seems everyone's opinion on this board is different when it comes to Tren being toxic to the liver and kidneys.

2. test can be ran about as long as one wants in a cycle. Dbol is typically/safely ran up to 4 weeks. Tren is typically ran for 4-6 weeks. So, besides POTENTIALLY being harsh on the kidney and/or liver, I choose to run them at different times throuout my cycle so I can run a 10-12 week cycle and at the same time benefitting from more that one roid in my body all thru the cycle. Plus, I'm not taking chances by using one type of gear for too long at once.

Say, Serge, didn't you run Tren for several months non-stop here recently? What were your results from that? Was it Tren alone?
Did you have your levels checked afterwards?

 

[Busta]

Fatchops,

What kind of bad experiences?

 

[serge]

Alright, you win! I admit that dbol,test,tren at the same time MAY NOT BE too awful on the body.

Let me make 2 last points though:
1. From what I've gathered, nobody really knows for a fact how harsh tren is on the kidneys OR the LIVER. You said there's been studies on this exact thing - could you please post links or parts of the article because I would like to read them because I can't find anything. -All I've ever found is studies that 'beat around the bush' and never gives any clear-cut answer to this question. And it seems everyone's opinion on this board is different when it comes to Tren being toxic to the liver and kidneys.

2. test can be ran about as long as one wants in a cycle. Dbol is typically/safely ran up to 4 weeks. Tren is typically ran for 4-6 weeks. So, besides POTENTIALLY being harsh on the kidney and/or liver, I choose to run them at different times throuout my cycle so I can run a 10-12 week cycle and at the same time benefitting from more that one roid in my body all thru the cycle. Plus, I'm not taking chances by using one type of gear for too long at once.

Say, Serge, didn't you run Tren for several months non-stop here recently? What were your results from that? Was it Tren alone?
Did you have your levels checked afterwards?

its been alot longer then a few months, more like 12months, i run it with test as my base stack, then i add items if i want to bulk, or cut

 

[guards]

I would like to see these "studies" that say tren is no more toxic than other hormones and anabolics. I believe you are mistaken. Fina is a very liver toxic substance....hence, the reason why your uirne is radioactive yellow when on it......bright, cloudy, urine means your liver is being stressed.

Running dbol and fina AT THE SAME TIME is not a good idea IMO. Plus, why would you need to run them at the same time? You want to reap the benefits of dbol, than why run it with tren? Dbol is a kickstart, IMO, its only use it to start off a cycle until the more effective(IE keepable gains) compounds begin to work.

My 2 cc's

 

[swampmoose]

ok

I have done 40mg of Dball and fina together and LOVED it.

i am doing anadrol and fina right now and i think i like it even better.
bottom line, drink plenty of water if you are worried.

 

[FatChops]

i know people who regularly take 4000mg+/week of combination of 3-6 different anabolics and look like then never picked up a weight, WHATS YOUR POINT???

Alright serge we get the point you are Daman o.k. I am just saying that people have crashed after this cycle, but hey what cycle can't you crash on huh?? So I am just giving him some warnings just in case he has bad reaction, not trying to flame on the man's cycle, calm down tool.

 

[alien amp pharm]

ok
I have done 40mg of Dball and fina together and LOVED it.

i am doing anadrol and fina right now and i think i like it even better.
bottom line, drink plenty of water if you are worried.

I have no doubt that they are an excellent combo for gains, but I question the level of toxicity of them combined.
Did you have any tests done after your cycle?

The liver worries me because it isn't something you feel (pain wise) if something is going wrong. So there's no real way of knowing if it's damaging your liver ulness you get frequent testing done. The kidney's you can feel pain and tell by the colorization of urine

 

[serge]

I would like to see these "studies" that say tren is no more toxic than other hormones and anabolics. I believe you are mistaken. Fina is a very liver toxic substance....hence, the reason why your uirne is radioactive yellow when on it......bright, cloudy, urine means your liver is being stressed.

Running dbol and fina AT THE SAME TIME is not a good idea IMO. Plus, why would you need to run them at the same time? You want to reap the benefits of dbol, than why run it with tren? Dbol is a kickstart, IMO, its only use it to start off a cycle until the more effective(IE keepable gains) compounds begin to work.

My 2 cc's

wow, did not expect that from a mod, there was a study posted on here a month ago or so, if you run a search im sure you will be able to locate it

 

[OAKBOX]

why would you need to run them at the same time? You want to reap the benefits of dbol, than why run it with tren? Dbol is a kickstart, IMO, its only use it to start off a cycle until the more effective(IE keepable gains) compounds begin to work.

My 2 cc's

Here are a few truths: Tren gives you some pretty keepable gains and no water retention... running Dbol for 2 to three weeks gives you a bost... before the tren kicks in (around week 3), your pumped and strong... I haven't seen anything that says tren is bad on the liver... none of you have any factual evidence against or for running them together... so running them together doesn't seem illogical from what i've read... Mods aren't always helpful.

Busta, run the Dbol at 30mg for 3 weeks and run the Fina for the whole cycle at 75mg ED. Take some L-dex in the first 3 weeks to cut down bloat or aromatization. Hope you do fine.

 

[serge]

HERE, LET THE IGNORANT STUPIDITY END ALREADY....Trenbolone Acetate (Finaject)
Description
by Bill Roberts - While Finaject itself is no longer available, in some cases injectable preparations from Finaplix have been made. The substance is the same: trenbolone acetate.




Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.

There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol should be stacked.

There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.

It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.

 

[Nico Cujo]

I've done the test, tren, dbol cycle before. If fact, just last Christmas. 500mg test each week for 8 weeks, 75mg tren EOD for the last 4 weeks and 50mg dbol the last 4 weeks of the cycle.

Took ALA for liver and didn't take any cranberry for the kidneys. No back pain. Had blood work done 1 week after cycle and SGOT and SGPT were normal. So...no liver problems.

 

[serge]

I've done the test, tren, dbol cycle before. If fact, just last Christmas. 500mg test each week for 8 weeks, 75mg tren EOD for the last 4 weeks and 50mg dbol the last 4 weeks of the cycle.

Took ALA for liver and didn't take any cranberry for the kidneys. No back pain. Had blood work done 1 week after cycle and SGOT and SGPT were normal. So...no liver problems.

thank you

 

[cal]

ill be doing very simliar cycle in a little while...

ill be running...

test enanthate (primoteston depot) at 500 a week.

tren at 75 ED

and dbol at 25mg ED.

all three will be run for 8 weeks...and then gear will switch up...

i like long cycles...

 

[Gambler]

Guards

Following is a recent post by Huck on a thread call "fina and dbol"


Ditto.Running them together would make results that much more explosive.I would go:

Test E-500mgs/week 1-9
Fina-75mgs/day weeks 1-8
d-bol-30mgs/day weeks 1-6


It would seem that our MOD's are in pretty serious disagreemtent.

Care to comment on Hucks post? Not trying to start shit - just looking for intelligent debate.

 

[Gambler]

bumpage

 

[Busta]

Hey Gambler, were do you work out? I am at the Firm on Sunrise and US1, I work and live downtown so its really convenient.

 

[Gambler]

I train at Mike Ashley's gym on Sample. I know Gus, the guy that just sold The Firm.

 

[Busta]

Do you know Tangie (the girl Gus sold the gym to)? She dates a good friend of mine.