T3/Clen cycle advice please!

[joshuaua]

Bro's

Was going to run a Tren/Test/Mast cycle, but decided it's best to cut some bodyfat before doing so. I'm 23 years old, 5'10 225lbs. probably mid to high teens in bodyfat %.

I've taken some time off the gym over the last year and am back in there and looking to get back in shape. I've ran 4 cycle before starting with a basic winny only cycle, then Test Enth/ Var, Tren/Test, and Test/Mast. I've also run Clen once before in liquid form.

I know that T3 and Clen are pretty dangerous if you do it wrong so i'm wondering how you guys would structure a 6 weeks cycle of this stuff, and correct me where i'm wrong...

Based on what i've read I should run the T3 for the full 6 weeks, starting at about 50mcg's a day running up to 75-100mcg's a day a week or so into it, and then eventually tapering off.

Clen should be ran either 1 week on 1 week off, or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, NOT sure, so if someone could clarify.
I have 50mcg's tabs of clen also so how should I structure this.. i'm clearly a little lost .

Flame if needed, help if ya want! thanks guys

 

[zack!!!]

go for 30 days at 75mcg two days on two off on the off days use the clen

 

[joshuaua]

i should only run this cycle for 30 days??

 

[EZ_E]

You shouldn't run it at all. Diet and training and being back in the gym for a while is all you need......can you post your diet and training split

 

[joshuaua]

right, but the order is in and it'll be here next week, i'm not looking for an easy way out i've been training for years and will continue to. i'm jsut looking to run a cutter leading up to summer. so i'm just wondering how to structure and dose it

 

[EZ_E]

Let me make sure I have this; you're saying because someone has somethig he should take it regardless?

That's what you're saying?

 

[Jbranken]

Fuck clen an t3. Why spend all these years getting healthy and fit and shit all over it with these drugs? No one listens. Its bad for your heart!!! Read up on this stuff more. The bad strongly outweighs the benefit of these chems.

 

[psizzle_8]

Basically just contradicted yourself...

You're not looking for an easy way, but...you are?

Tweak your diet, up the intensity in the gym. Drugs aren't needed

 

[bonacris]

4 cycles at 23 including tren and now clen and t3.. what's the rush, slow, it down a little

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[illphil228]

5'10" 225 and been out the gym for a bit, your bf is probably above 20%. In which case the gear is not going to work like you hope. Anyway, run clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off starting at 40mcg upping to 120 mcg. Take t3 on off weeks.

 

[EZ_E]

5'10" 225 and been out the gym for a bit, your bf is probably above 20%. In which case the gear is not going to work like you hope. Anyway, run clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off starting at 40mcg upping to 120 mcg. Take t3 on off weeks.

Yiu're telling him not to run it and then telling him to run it?

 

[joshuaua]

Basically just contradicted yourself...

You're not looking for an easy way, but...you are?

Tweak your diet, up the intensity in the gym. Drugs aren't needed

so not to be a dick, but couldn't you just post this answer under every single question on these boards? anybody who asks about any compounds are asking for the easy way out. no dif then anybody else on here. looking for help not your personal opinions on if people taking juice or other compounds is cheating or not...

 

[joshuaua]

4 cycles at 23 including tren and now clen and t3.. what's the rush, slow, it down a little

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just really into fitness and getting bigger. i train hard and consistently so i just try and get the most out of it that i can. not using these compounds and sitting on a couch expecting an easy way out, i'm looking to use these things to help my progress.

 

[joshuaua]

Yiu're telling him not to run it and then telling him to run it?

gotta be honest with ya EZ, he gave me advice like i was looking for. i know alot of people like to look at a person my age and say i'm looking for an easy way out but i actually find that quite insulting. i've trained hard my entire life in the gym, i've used these compounds as a way to supplement my workouts. they help me get more results, but i don't rely on them solely for results. i'm not looking the T3/ or Clen to do the work for me, i'll be dieting while running these compounds, likely go back on a Keto diet and i'll be doing long distance cardio daily and training like a mr.olympia competitor just to not lose muscle since they tend to be catabolic. just looking for some info so i don't end up having a heartattack. which is more useful info then i got from anybody else on this post. and thread deleted and me banned or flamed in 3...2...1...

 

[psizzle_8]

so not to be a dick, but couldn't you just post this answer under every single question on these boards? anybody who asks about any compounds are asking for the easy way out. no dif then anybody else on here. looking for help not your personal opinions on if people taking juice or other compounds is cheating or not...

Not to be a bitch, but.. It's my job. We are not told to give everyone the green light. As any restaurant or store has a sign in their doors stating they're allowed to refuse service to anyone, we reserve the right to tell someone NO to drugs if we feel they're not a good candidate for them. Will it stop them? No, but at least we can know we did what we could. And this is in full fucking swing during the summer time, as hundreds of guys like yourself are wanting to look good for the beach. You're right, you're nothing new.

Not to be a bitch.

 

[joshuaua]

Not to be a bitch, but.. It's my job. We are not told to give everyone the green light. As any restaurant or store has a sign in their doors stating they're allowed to refuse service to anyone, we reserve the right to tell someone NO to drugs if we feel they're not a good candidate for them. Will it stop them? No, but at least we can know we did what we could. And this is in full fucking swing during the summer time, as hundreds of guys like yourself are wanting to look good for the beach. You're right, you're nothing new.

Not to be a bitch.

that's fine but people come to these boards and ask questions. mine was how you guys would recommend structuring the cycle, cause these are dangerous compounds, i've run clen before and I understand it's possible side effects etc. it's just probably more useful to just say that while you don't think these are what i need right now you understand i'll still run them so here's how you'd structure it. frankly I'm not sure why a guy who's lifted for 6+ years with cycle experience who's gunna be training hard to cute body fat is a bad candidate for stuff used specifically to cut lol don't get it.

 

[notjake11]

that's fine but people come to these boards and ask questions. mine was how you guys would recommend structuring the cycle, cause these are dangerous compounds, i've run clen before and I understand it's possible side effects etc. it's just probably more useful to just say that while you don't think these are what i need right now you understand i'll still run them so here's how you'd structure it. frankly I'm not sure why a guy who's lifted for 6+ years with cycle experience who's gunna be training hard to cute body fat is a bad candidate for stuff used specifically to cut lol don't get it.

You're a bad candidate because your bodyfat is too high at the moment. The two compounds you're talking about using are incredibly harsh on the body of even someone who has already hit a peak level of conditioning. It's understandable that someone who is flirting with single digit bodyfat might consider using them to get to a level they can't possibly get to without chemical enhancement.

In your case, the fact that you're still in the high teens for bodyfat means that you can still easily lose another 5% bodyfat WITHOUT chemical enhancement. It also means that there will be additional strain on your body - specifically your heart and other organs - because your body has more fat on it. The higher your bodyfat, the higher then risk of side effects.

Basically - the fact that you're not willing to get to the 10-12% bodyfat mark WITHOUT using Clen and T3 is a big part of why people here are going to think you are a bad candidate for them. Most would recommend against them anyway because their sides dramatically outweigh their benefits and there are better and safer alternatives. "I already bought them and they are on the way" isn't exactly the most mature explanation for justifying their use.

 

[EZ_E]

Completely ridiculous to say people using aas are looking for a quick fix......no one is doubting your dedication.

You are NOT in a position to use right now. Future? Probably. I'm not sure what you're not understanding.

 

[zack!!!]

i should only run this cycle for 30 days??

thats what i said

 

[robph]

if he wants to run it let him do it, basically you want to run clen 2 wks on 2 wks off, on the weeks off take fat burners, start clen slow and build your tolerance up
week 1 40/50/60/70/80/90/100
week 2 100/120/100/90/80/70/60
never run it above 200mcgs, and if you feel too jittery lower your dose for the next day... split it into too doses morning and afternoon always before 3pm so you dont have problems sleepin. good luck, i always ran t3/clen for cutting with proper diet and tons of cardio you will look amazing in a few weeka

 

[RADAR]

rolling my eyes @ this thread, drugs like this will eventually catch up to you as you get older.

 

[robph]

he asked us how he should run it not "if he should".. i'm just helping a iron bro out, its not like we are going to his house and stop him. we all know the risk involved in drug use. shit is dangerous, i tell everyone the same thing unless your career depends on it don't do it.. in the end, its his health his choice.

 

[RADAR]

^ Exactally!

 

[joshuaua]

rolling my eyes @ this thread, drugs like this will eventually catch up to you as you get older.

what are some of the major long term risks with clen/t3? i know t3 is tough on the thyroid but always thought it gets back to normal after a few weeks off it

 

[RADAR]

what are some of the major long term risks with clen/t3? i know t3 is tough on the thyroid but always thought it gets back to normal after a few weeks off it

The use of T3 in some people can permanently shut off your thyroid thus causing you to be on throid medication the rest of your life, clen raises BP increasing your risk of a stroke & heart attack,The best way around this is to do enough cardio to raise your BMR to turn your body into a fat burning machine so you will be burning fat all day long, this will strengthen the heart/cardiovascular system without resorting to drugs all around it's a win-win situation.

 

[Jbranken]

so not to be a dick, but couldn't you just post this answer under every single question on these boards? anybody who asks about any compounds are asking for the easy way out. no dif then anybody else on here. looking for help not your personal opinions on if people taking juice or other compounds is cheating or not...

Steroids are not clen. That being said, I wouldn't condone the use of steroids to anyone with high bf, little training and dieting experience, young age, or looking for a way out. The advice we give is for those who can do it safely and responsibly. Clen on the other hand, not many responsible ways to do it. Sorry that we tried to talk you out of it. You're the expert


The short-term side-effects of clenbuterol in humans have largely been determined through accidental overdoses from eating clenbuterol-tainted meat. Short-term side-effects include the following:

Muscle crams
Hypertension (increased blood pressure)
Increased heart rate
Palpitations
Insomnia
Dry mouth
Vomiting
Tremors (shakiness especially marked in hands)
Anxiety
Nervousness/ restlessness
Headaches
Breathing difficulties
Sweating
Most of the above side-effects diminish when clenbuterol has been expelled from the body. However, the long-term effects of clenbuterol in humans are less well understood.



There are no human drug safety tests and information is obtained from incidents such as those in Spain in 1994, when 140 people were reportedly hospitalized and in China in September 2006 in which 330 people were poisoned due to eating meat that had been contaminated with clenbuterol. Information is also gained from isolated case studies of those using clenbuterol for its weight loss effects.

Clenbuterol Long-term Side-effects

Animal studies suggest that clenbuterol increases the size of heart muscle cells due to increasing the amount of an inelastic substance known as collagen. This inelastic material reduces the hearts effectiveness at pumping blood, thus reducing its output. Collagen also interferes with the electric signals sent through the heart muscle cells to keep it pumping regularly and may produce arrhythmias (irregular heart beat). This in turn increases the risk of strokes. Further studies in rodents also found that clenbuterol induced heart cell degeneration. Animal studies also indicate that clenbuterol adversely affects the hearts structural dimensions and may cause aortic enlargement after exercise, which increases the risk of aortic rupture and sudden death.

Furthermore, the use of clenbuterol may exacerbate any pre-existing heart condition or blood pressure problems. It is also thought that left-sided cardiac atrophy (wasting away of the left side of the heart) can occur very quickly (perhaps as little as four weeks when taken in high doses).

Clenbuterol is known to negatively affect mechanical properties and microarchitechture of bone, increasing bone fragility. Greater muscle mass in combination with greater fragility of bone, increases the risk of bone fractures.


Clenbuterol Overdose

Symptoms may begin within minutes of ingestion of clenbuterol and last for hours/ days leading to prolonged toxicity due to the long-half life (it takes a long time for clenbuterol to break down and clear from the body) of clenbuterol.

Tachicardia (racing heart, heart rate e.g. 200 beats per minute)
Hypokalaemia
Hypophosphatemia
Taurine depletion
Headaches
Tremors
Breathing difficulties
Vertigo
Stroke

Clenbuterol Weight Gain

Despite the fact that the list of potential side-effects induced by clenbuterol is long and in perhaps life-threatening, there is one side-effect that is probably of most interest to those wanting to lose weight. In the long-term clenbuterol is known to suddenly lose its efficacy and cause rapid weight gain – possibly due to the effects it has had on the users metabolism. It is thought that this can happen as quickly as after 3 – 4 weeks.

Sounds like fun. Take all the clen you want.