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Study showing winstrols activity independent of A/R binding/DNA interaction...

I must have missed something....

Where did it mention anything about a potential for stronger muscular contractions? Central Nervous System stimulation would have nothing to do with muscular function as it consists of only the brain and spinal cord... Periphial Nervous System is what regulates muscular contraction. And I don't have my physiological psychology book handy, but it seems to me that GABA function is a counter measure against chaotic impulses...

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or receptor site. Once attached different neurotransmitters either trigger "go" signals that allow the message to be passed on to other cells or produce "stop" signals that prevent the message from being forwarded. GABA is the most common message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.

The brain has to keep tight control of this message delivery system to avoid communication chaos. A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor sites and receives many different messages and passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming signals and determines whether or not to pass the information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by patrolling the brain and eliminating excess message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in communication.

Normally each neuron affects only a limited number of other cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking, however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. This is actually the primary cause of epilepsy... a lack of sufficient enzymes to keep GABA levels up.

Benzodiazepine is another neurotransmitter that binds to the exact same dendritic receptor as GABA. This receptor is known as the GABA receptor as GABA is the primary neurotransmitter to bind there. GHB also binds to the GABA receptor btw. Anywho, the study showed that stanozol can actually increase the GABA receptor's affinity toward benzodiazepine neuroreceptor. Benzodiazepine as I recall has a "chilling" affect on the CNS meaning that stanozol may actually reverse halo's tendency toward roid rage but I don't see anything that would cause a stimulation of muscle nerves in the PNS... It would probably only acheive this through AR-mediation (which is its primary anabolic means).

It is my understanding that this would only have psychological effects... effects that are not seen with other androgenic/anabolic steroids.



-Stew
 
this whole thread represents the best of Elite fitness- a serious intellectual discussion of AS- I'm currently using winny and am learning alot that I didn't know. Thanks guys.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Your wish is my command,lol...

Anabolic Steroids achieve their effects on hypertrophy through different mechanisms,and as such are classified into two different categories,class-I and class-II compounds.I will explain which ones work through which pathway,and how to effectively combine opposing groups to maximize potentiation of one another for explosive growth....

Class-I-These are steroids who's primary influence on anabolism is achieved through aggressive binding and activation of the androgen receptor...Examples of potent class-I's are-Deca-durabolin,primobolan,equipoise,oxandrolone...

Class-II-These are compounds with potent activity independent of A/R binding/activation,and their activity has been monitored in neuron's,microsomes,mitochondria,etc...Examples of potent class-II's are-Anadrol,Dianabol,winstrol,Fluoxymesterone...

Then we have steroids that are potent combination steroids all by themselves(meaning they display influences on growth through both class-I and II activity,and thus are very effective as'stand-alone'anabolic agents as well as forming the 'base' of most steroid stacks)....Two compounds possess this unique characteristic-Trenbelone and Testosterone.Either of these two steroids should form the base of most users stacks,as the cover both A/R and non-A/R mediated mechanisms,and adding to them with either a class-I or II will only potentiate that particular mechanism towards muscular hypertrophy...

Now that we're aware of which compounds work through which mechanism,how do we combine them effectively to maximize each one's potential?As explained above,Testosterone and trenbelone should form the base of any serious steroid stack,but great effects can be had by combining single mechanism steroids from opposing classes....Examples of this type of synergistic combining could be(but are not limited to)

*CUTTING*
Winstrol & Equipoise
Winstrol & Primobolan
Fluoxymesterone & Equipoise or Primobolan

*BULKING*
Deca & Dianabol
Anadrol & Equipoise or Primobolan
Winstrol & deca

And of course,using test or tren as the base compound for either cutting or bulking will only make results that much more explosive.If using test for cutting,an anti-aromitase should be incorporated


Thank you sir!!
 
stew ya fucker.............im the psych student here and you dug this up before i had the chance :bawling:

this is correct and is precisely the way in which stanozolol has the capacity to leave one in a depressed state once the substance has cleared. this is especially true for those whom have a problem with abusing benzodiazepines for they will in all likelyhood turn to them or GHB as a means of filling these receptors as treatment with stanozolol stops. one may want to consider supplementation with GABA and/or not ending your cycle with stano alone.........

this is an excellent thread and gets my vote for the hall of fame..............

Unity66
 
Unity66 said:
stew ya fucker.............im the psych student here and you dug this up before i had the chance
Unity66

You forget.... you're not the only LA psych bro around here... ;)

I agree with you 100%. With stanozol's GABA mediated activity, this may actually trigger an interdependance. With the upregulation of GABA receptors, the body may adapt by lowering its production of diazepam as the same effects would be acheived through a lower concentration. If the body does actually lower its enzymatic production of benzodiazepine in response to upregulated GABA receptors, it seems logical that this underproduction could cause depression and possibly other psychological and CNS trauma such as anxiety and seizures once the intake of stanozol ceases... and no longer increases GABA's affinity toward it...

Anyone ever heard of epileptics having a higher occurance of seizures after a Winstrol cycle?



-Stew
 
Huck I thought that you said Test & Ox would be a great stack, yet you put Test in both catagories and Ox in Class 1.

Explain to me how something like Dbol, that is almost entirely androgenic be in Class 2, yet something like Oxandralone is in Class 1? I thought you said 17aa steroids were Class 2? Now I'm confused:confused:
 
Man Child-MOST 17aa are,with the exception of ox.Testosterone's affinity to androgen receptor binding is only moderate at best.Therefore adding in something with a far higher affinity will take up for it's weak point and potentiate it.Dianabol has piss-poor binding affinity to the A/R,yet there's no question that it has many anabolic benefits occurring completely independent of this process:cortisol suppression,suppression of calcium leaks,potassium super compensation,Increased nitrogen retension,etc...
 
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