Thank you for your opinion,I agreee, I just needed reinforcment for my opinion. The gains from anavar will also far outlast the gains from tren & others, although the gains are not as dramatic, neither are they as toxic. One day your 165lbs and barely pushing 135, one month later your pushing 3 wheels and look like the hulk, but 3 months or less after you stop taking tren you fit right back in your 31" waiste pants again and hope nobody notices, or you never come off out of that fear of being called out. Plus with anavar you might actually have to put forth some effort to achieve gains, not just wake up stronger.